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Gorgie high-rise proposals brought back down to earth

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Published Date: 21 February 2009
A PLANNED high-rise development of more than 700 student flats, which would have dominated the Gorgie skyline, is set to be refused planning permission.
Under the proposals, existing shops, warehouses and flats would be demolished to make way for the two blocks, as well as new shops, including a replacement veterinary practice with 12 private flats above.

The site, opposite the British Telecom offices on Gorgie Road, was described by the council as one of the most significant medieval archaeological sites outwith the Old Town and Leith, and was the site of the Gorgie Mills, Edinburgh's oldest surviving mills.

Council officials have recommended that the plans be refused, saying the height of the buildings is not appropriate and would have a detrimental impact on Edinburgh's skyline.

They also said the towers were "visually obtrusive" and did not meet design standards, particularly as the site lies on one of the key entrances to the city.

Questions have been raised about access to the proposed building, which in the plans is through an existing private access not belonging to the developer.

The proposed 47 car parking spaces are not enough to meet council requirements, and there is also a lack of amenity space provided in the designs.

The proposed 12 and 14-storey towers planned by developers Kenmore Gorgie would contain 12 double studio flats, four four-bedroom flats and 136 five-bedroom flats for students at colleges and universities across the Capital.

The proposal attracted 17 letters of objection from local residents, who were concerned about the effect of the "massive overdevelopment" of the site.

The height of the high-rise buildings was the biggest concern, with local residents worried that they would block sunlight to other premises. There were also fears raised about the effect of moving such a large student population into the area.

Harry Sutherland, chair of the Hutchison/Chesser Community Council, said: "There has been a lot of concern, mainly about the height of these buildings, and I would hope the council will refuse the application."

Heritage watchdog the Cockburn Association has also urged the council to reject the plans.

Cases committee officer Yvonne Holton said: "We welcome the redevelopment of this key site. However, the height and scale of the student residential accommodation is breathtakingly excessive. It is clear that the height of the buildings will dominate and overshadow the existing architecture.

"What is being proposed represents an overdevelopment of the site that will introduce a great number of students into the area, which in turn is likely to affect the existing mix of community."

Developer Kenmore Gorgie was unable to provide a comment.


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  • Last Updated: 21 February 2009 9:50 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Edinburgh planning issues
 
1

daveserviceman,

edinburgh 21/02/2009 11:12:06
What about the eye sore of flats that is behind them surely these are a bigger blight on the landscape and owned by the very council that objects to this project
2

Tartan Viking,

21/02/2009 12:00:54
As long as they are not built on the hallowed ground half a mile to the east. I fear one day they might be.
3

Mallory,

Edinburgh 21/02/2009 12:02:33
Still leaves the monstrosity planned at Haymarket though.
4

Leithie,

EDINBURGH 21/02/2009 12:03:22
"The site, opposite the British Telecom offices on Gorgie Road, was described by the council as one of the most significant medieval archaeological sites outwith the Old Town and Leith, and was the site of the Gorgie Mills, Edinburgh's oldest surviving mills"

eh? the Mill has been flattened already?
5

Buttress,

21/02/2009 12:04:04
The Cockburn Association IS NOT A 'HERITAGE WATCHDOG'.
STOP BEING A LAZY JOURNALIST!

6

Glenda,

blah 21/02/2009 12:06:37
#1

If you're referring to Westfield Court (7 storeys plus a nursery school on top), you are wrong. The council does NOT own that block of flats, it's occupied by 70% private owners and 30% tenants. They are lovely large flats with great views, parking etc.
7

Glenda,

blah 21/02/2009 12:08:55
.....and they've been there for nearly 60 years - much longer than any of the surrounding homes.

Guess that means they're well established and have as much right to exixt as any of the other buildings in the area.
8

alfonsa pedrosa,

embra 21/02/2009 12:15:52
Bet Romanov has something to do with this,accommodation for 700 Lithuanian students.
9

jkm,

capital city 21/02/2009 13:26:22
#8, and your problem with that would be ??, judging by your name you have foriegn connections yourself !!.
10

Jock MacSprog,

21/02/2009 15:50:44
it would be difficult for Gorgie to look worse than it already does, but I think this building would have accomplished that unlikely feat.
11

Who let the dogs out?,

21/02/2009 15:59:42
I heard tynecastle is now the proposed location now.

Hearts are going to ground share with spartans
12

alfonsa pedrosa,

embra 21/02/2009 16:00:07
#10
And whats your problem with my foriegn connections,at least my country is in the EU.
13

miffy the bonfire slater,

21/02/2009 16:05:30
#5 naw that bampot role would be entirely yours. The head hooses chihuahua.
14

im brian and so is my wife,

edinburgh 21/02/2009 16:23:46
it was prob gorgie tony moaning at the council,as he does enough gum mumping on this site
15

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21/02/2009 16:56:21
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21/02/2009 16:58:02
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17

elayne,

21/02/2009 17:45:07
#6 westfield ct was in fact the 1st high rise built in edinburgh(1956 if i remember correctly)nice flats!
18

Suntoucher,

Exiled 21/02/2009 18:23:13
I would not be surprised if the developer has deliberately put in a contentious scheme just so it would go through the motions of geting a refusal.

If it were approved, then they would have to purify their contract with the vendors of the site, and pay up for it at a price probably agreed a few years back and no-one has any money, including this developer - because the banks have stolen it all!
19

Euphemia Groynes of that Ilk,

21/02/2009 21:07:11
How well I recall Gorgie as it was in the days of my girlhood, so long ago now, alas!
20

COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 21/02/2009 21:08:07
that.picture.looks.bloody.awful.it.will.look.like.a.slum.in.no.time
21

Sqidward,

21/02/2009 21:42:07
Perhaps #1 was talking about the flats at Moat. From my perspective, I would say these flats are behind the BT offices and the Westfield flats in front of.
22

grantcat,

Old Town 21/02/2009 23:18:55
I was brought up in the flats at Moat/Hutchison, my mum still lives there today - built at the end of the 50s, good size flats, balconies and lots of green space around them and drying greens, at the time of building them they were the last part of the Macrae housing schem of Hutchison and surrounded by workplaces - printers, breweries, whisky bonds, Manclarks, packaging factories, Ferantis.

I loved living in the flats.

My friend lived in Westfield House again as people have already stated - big flats, shared heating and hot water and a nursery on the top.

The flats at Westfield and Hutchison were built to improve the lives of ordinary working class people and were built with resources and to be part of the community - I predict as Edinburgh's first high rise blocks they will be the last ones standing, unlike the ones built inthe 1960s and early 70s which squatted in the community, were too high and dispersed communal living rather that brought it together.

Don't know much about this plan but Edinburgh does not need more high rise flats.
23

jimb4abobor2,

Edinburgh 22/02/2009 02:39:54
well i've seen gorgie and flats or no the best plan that i can see from the area would be to start at the pub at saughton park with a team of bulldozers and keep going till they reach haymarket from ballgreen rd up to fountain-park and then build real house's with gardends and parking and green areas for all scots and stop thinking about the money thell make from all the students they can pack into the flats no respect anymore for a decent working man on a salary of £12,000 a year who cant afford the bl--dy rent anyway and yes i do stay in one of these 1950tys flats with high rents and falling apart and letting water in when the ill wind blows from the north and not only that but it has just been agreed to put the rents up by 5.7% over the next 4 yrs to pay for well i dunno what i just read it
24

Gorgie Gorgie,

EDINBURGH 22/02/2009 11:13:35
Delighted by this, didn't want hundreds of drunken students around my beloved Gorgie
25

Rap,

23/02/2009 10:03:17
Is this planning committee schizophrenic?How on earth can they not approve this application because of it's height and impact on the skyline but approve a 17 storey one at Haymarket? Is it too much to think they may have learned a lesson, or does it depend on what phase the moon is in as to what decision they make?
26

Buttress,

23/02/2009 11:39:56
This wasn't by Richard Murphy (or Allan Murray or Malcolm Fraser) say it's by a 'famous' architect and that's all fine with the planners! They don't know much, really.

See Caltongate the movie(final Canongate Project Youtube)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zn9T3ZwxU78
27

Buttress,

23/02/2009 11:44:49
http://www.architecturescotland.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1017

Pictures and comments.
28

Rap,

23/02/2009 11:55:46
Is it too much to ask for some logic from the committee? Not that I'm complaining about the decision, but it does seem quite chaotic. Perhaps it is the lack of working of iconic landmark and accompanying ego that's the problem.
29

Rap,

23/02/2009 11:59:21
"As outlined in Edinburgh's Skyline Study, the objective of any new high structure should be to effectively complement the city's skyline. The positioning of high structures should have a logic which extends beyond the boundaries of the development site. Historically, where tall structures have been used, it has been to terminate planned vistas, to mark important gateways or nodal features. It is expected that such a coherent approach should inform any justification for proposed high buildings. In this case, the building does not terminate a planned vista and will not complement the city's skyline. Therefore the height and massing of the development is not appropriate in this location"

Ah, high is okay when it's ending something, like wonderful views, and a community's happiness. That's okay then.
30

Rap,

23/02/2009 12:00:17
"In this regard, the proposal does not take into account the characteristics and patterns of the surrounding area and will not create an attractive environment. "

A quote that will be noted
31

Buttress,

23/02/2009 12:05:53
No, there is no consistency at all, and recommendations from planners often go against policies, local and national. You can't challenge every one, the government is weary of call-ins anyhow, so they get away with it.

You see - had it been by Murphy and therefore the architecture press were in his pocket it would have been different. Nor can it be claimed to be 'regeneration'. That one allows all sorts of monstrosities to be built. Claims of jobs and a fancy hotel, well, they fall over backwards, alongside the Chamber of Commerce.

32

Buttress,

23/02/2009 12:07:12
Look at the St James' Centre - opposed by A+DS, EWH, and Historic Scotland, but the planners eem to think it will be a 'conservation' gain.

Rubbish!
33

Yonthing!,

23/02/2009 12:40:06
Without meaning any disrespect to the lovely area of Gorgie, but who in their right mind thinks students would want to live there.

It's miles from the nearest College or University, and miles from the city centre.
34

Rap,

23/02/2009 13:01:37
It's on a bus route to Heriot-Watt.
35

Rap,

23/02/2009 13:14:47
Think the new planning head has made any difference?
36

Buttress,

23/02/2009 13:19:28
No. He came from Glasgow. None of them has much idea IMHO.
37

Rap,

23/02/2009 13:25:18
Well to be fair Buttress, just because he came through from Glasgow doesn't mean he can't do a good job ;-)
38

Buttress,

23/02/2009 13:31:52
I gather that he was very much pro developer there also.
39

Buttress,

23/02/2009 13:35:03
You have to chuckle though.

http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/edinburgh/Destiny-of-church-is-to.5005529.jp#3782686

Haymarket Tower fine, in the opinion of planners, as it has consent!





40

Skatedad,

Back from France 30/03/2009 11:10:16
Just passed Saughton Park. No sign of "summer opening" skate park.

 

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