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Published Date: 05 June 2009
STRIKE action has been threatened by unions fighting council plans to put scores of the local authority's services into the hands of private companies.
City leaders are hoping to save millions by outsourcing some of its high-profile services, such as bin collections and school meals.

But the move has provoked an angry response from unions and opposition politicians who fear the initiative is privatisation by the back door and will push down standards.

City leaders last month revealed they are facing a £92 million black hole in the council finances over the next four years due to tough Government efficiency targets.

In an e-mail to staff obtained by the Evening News, council chief executive Tom Aitchison warned "the unprecedented scale of the required savings" means a fundamental review of the local authority's services was needed.

All of the unions representing the council's 17,000 workers – which includes Unison, Unite, GMB and UCATT – have banded together to fight the scheme.

They today warned they will ballot their members for industrial action if there are redundancies.

Opposition politicians described the outsourcing plans as "wholly unacceptable" but city leaders said the proposals will deliver the best results for the council and its workers.

Unison's Kevin Duguid, who is secretary for the joint union campaign against the plans, warned that any threat of redundancies would be met with massive opposition and ballots for action.

He added: "At a time when investment to stimulate Edinburgh's economy has never been more crucial, we are facing unprecedented cuts which will tear the heart out of our local services.

"The unions say this is 'back to the future' by returning to the defragmented service provision that led to councils taking over services in the first place.

"We all know this is not efficiency, it just makes profits at the expense of workers and damages continuity through short-term deals.

"It is time to get back round the table and talk sensibly about how we can work together."

The outsourcing scheme would see companies come in and manage or reorganise council departments, with them splitting the money saved with city leaders.

Other ways of reorganising services, such as setting up arm's-length operating trusts, like Edinburgh Leisure, are also under consideration

A 20-strong "long list" of services they have identified as suitable for being put out to tender includes customer service areas such as the council's network of local offices, buildings maintenance, street sweeping and the council-owned museums and galleries.

The city's Labour leader Andrew Burn said: "Such a mass-privatisation of council services would be wholly unacceptable and we will strongly resist these attempts to 'outsource' a huge swathe of local public services in Edinburgh."

City leader Jenny Dawe said they were only at the beginning of the process and would consult widely. She said: "I am confident that through the competitive dialogue process we will get the best results for the council, its workforce and the city."


The full article contains 502 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 05 June 2009 10:15 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Edinburgh Council
 
1

Council Insider,

Council HQ 05/06/2009 11:55:57
I won't be on strike. Never have been, never will be.
2

alfonsa pedrosa,

embra 05/06/2009 11:57:33
Striking is not the answer,these people have to get to the table and thrash it out,failing that get rid of them.
3

the plum,

05/06/2009 11:58:28
get used to strikes peoples...when the tories get in and start the cut backs...a whole lotta striking going on...
4

Xena - Warrior Princess,

05/06/2009 12:01:15
Between the SNP and Lib Dem the tories are here already!
5

Foo,

05/06/2009 12:30:00
The council workers are worried that under private management they might have to do a decent days work like the rest of us.

6

onetimeonlyagain,

Edinburgh - Gorgie 05/06/2009 12:38:03
Wont make much of a different if they go on strike, my street will still look like a tornado has sweeped through it after they have apparently "cleaned" it...really they just move the rubbish about!
7

brianmca3,

auld reekie 05/06/2009 12:39:09
outsource to where?,BT and others did it,so does that mean our binmen will come from india?,hell of a long drive to empty bins,or do the fibbidy dumbdumbs have a friend or friends in cleaning and other resources?
if they guys who do the job ,do it right why change it?
not the workers fault for brownand darling gambling away our futures
always the same ,the toffs keep their jobs whilst the grafters get the shove
8

Brian Ferrari,

05/06/2009 12:39:38
"...the initiative is privatisation by the back door and will push down standards.

What? Push down standards? Is that possible?
9

Ecto,

05/06/2009 12:50:12
let them go on strike and then sack the ones who do, it's hardly if there is not a ton of peolpe waiting in the wings to fill this overpaid no skill work in any case.
10

Bring Back Poll Tax,

05/06/2009 12:50:44
#7 "if they guys who do the job ,do it right why change it?"

Well, if someone else can deliver the same (lamentably poor) level of service for a lower cost then the Council needs to investigate that option to provide best value.

If the current workforce think that they're doing a good job then there's nothing to prevent them from entering the tendering process.
11

brianmca3,

auld reekie 05/06/2009 12:51:38
#3 yes i remember labour stating that the more labour MPs scotland sent to westminster,could fight maggies cuts
well well did they do it?,nay chance she swatted kinnock away like some bothersome ginger fly
foot,she must have thought she got her xmas presents early
what with his cnd and ban the bomb/nuclear power etc,we see what happend to that principle
voting in lib dems is like voting in a batch of social workers,great ideas which cost a lot and work just as effective as a chocolate fire guard
snp scares the 3 others,as a rise in their vote signals scots wanting away
this same thing has been playing out generation after generation after generation
until something is done it will will go far longer than browns time as primeminister
12

The Hide and Seek Champion,

05/06/2009 12:56:03
#3 You make it sound as if the "tories" are responsible for the state we find ourselves in. That responsibility lies entirely with GB and the labour party who have once again shown themselves to be totally incapable of managing the economy, adopting as they always have of spending money we just did not have. It still makes me cringe when I think of GB making the statement that the days of boom and bust being over. Make no mistake, when the true extent of our national debt is known - including all the PPP expenditure on schools and hospitals which is presently "off balance sheet" - we can all look forward to many years of austerity - nomatter who is in power.
13

Speedy Gonzales,

Edinburgh 05/06/2009 13:06:28
There's a lot more to council services than emptying bins but the guys that do ours are bang on! Never leave rubbish behind them, and once, they even used a brush to push some 'garbage juice' down the drain that had spilled out the wagon, can't ask for more than that. And as for punctuality, they were round our street at 0645hrs this morning, not bad when the bins aren't even meant to be out until 0700hrs!!
14

,

05/06/2009 13:12:02
Comment Removed By Administrator
Reason:
15

Bob 2,

05/06/2009 13:25:02
Outsourcing - A fancy word for Privatising.

Strange how the Council have already had "Private consultants" into to make the Binmen more efficient, spending millions in the Process.

So has the Private sector not made a good job?

Someone should be asking questions.
16

Bob 2,

05/06/2009 13:26:01
5 Foo,05/06/2009 12:30:00
The council workers are worried that under private management they might have to do a decent days work like the rest of us.

and how many posts do you make throught the day Foo, busy busy busy
17

Foo,

05/06/2009 13:37:50
16

I have three monitors at work. EEN stays open on one and firefox is set to autorefresh.

I do ten times the work of a council worker, including bashing out a comment which takes less than a minute.
18

Andy 52,

Niddrie 05/06/2009 13:38:31
#9 Ecto: "let them go on strike and then sack the ones who do, it's hardly if there is not a ton of peolpe waiting in the wings to fill this overpaid no skill work in any case."

That kind of comment is surely from someone in a very highly paid job. Which your spelling and grammar would also suggest!

Too ra loo ra loo ra loo I'll tell ye something awfy true, ye widae hae yir telly the noo - if it wisnae fur the union.

Power to the people!
19

George Umbongo,

05/06/2009 13:45:47
outsourcing is a fact of life these days, it means our councils dont have to deal in sick pay and pensions etc for these staff.

i agree with nine, there no end of polish people who will happily do the job for one button a day.
20

Council Insider,

Council HQ 05/06/2009 13:50:48
Remember The Simpsons episode when Homer became Director Of Sanitation. THE GARBAGE MAN, THE GARGBAGE MAN CAN.
21

Major General Puffin-Stuff,

05/06/2009 13:51:18
#17

My, not one, not two, but THREE monitors at work - what an an incredibly important multi-tasker you must be!
22

Foo,

05/06/2009 13:58:50
21

Yes, that's right. You hit the nail on the head.
23

Diana,

Edinburgh 05/06/2009 14:15:58
Oh right - go on strike... THAT'll change their minds!
24

D Williams,

05/06/2009 14:22:31
These folk should be happy they have a bleeding job - there's plenty folk out there who'd more than happily come off the dole and do the job for less. So many companies have asked their staff to reduce their working week (and pay) to make sure they survive long term. Do these council employees think that just because it's a Council and therefore financed by the public they have a job for life ?? Bring in the private companies, save the taxpayer money/give better service and lets see the council employees moan to their back teeth that they haven't got a job.
25

OldmanfaeMethil,

Glasgow 05/06/2009 14:28:46
foo, you really do talk some amount of nonsense. It is actually cringe inducing to read your vacuous rhetoric every day. You declare that you "do ten times the work of a council worker.." Hmmmm.

Foo. Some advice pal, statements like that mark you out as a thick, slightly weird fanatacist, most likely sporting a mono-brow.
26

Ecto,

05/06/2009 14:32:33
#18 I started filling shelves in a shop and have dun nae bad pal!
27

OldmanfaeMethil,

Glasgow 05/06/2009 14:34:20
D Williams - Gies peace. Plenty folk out there on the dole who can the job for less? So by that you think that we pay binmen too much? Or are you talking about homehelps working with the elderly in their own homes? Or how about Social workers with a caseload of 60+ trying to prevent another tragedy.

Or, alternatively, do you have a clue what you are talking about. I think not. Rather, in common with many of the other limited folks on here, you just write whatever interpretation of the tabloids headlines you can work out. Ugh! Council bad!

Learn some facts and develop a balanced view instead or writing primary school level cliche after cliche.
28

Midnight,

Edinburgh 05/06/2009 14:35:25
This is all just a storm in a teacup. In the end, the Councillors will do what they want, whether or not the workers strike, so who cares. No point in getting hinky about it and slinging insults. Not all the people working at the Council are lazy layabouts, just as much as not all private sector workers are industrious and hard-working. Putting others down never helps.
29

D Williams,

05/06/2009 14:41:58
#27 Classic.
30

Foo,

05/06/2009 15:01:16
25&27 OldmanfaeMethil

If only there was a vaccine against stupid, you could have been saved. As it is, you're sitting there, resplendent in shell suit, sipping backfast and being content Nazi on the library's PC.
31

Up the NWO,

05/06/2009 15:02:38
And that's what we pay council tax for? Big brother is watching people.
32

OldmanfaeMethil,

Glasgow 05/06/2009 15:04:49
Foo - speak English. Surely an individual worthy of three monitors can construct a sentence that actually has meaning.....
33

D Williams,

05/06/2009 15:06:50
#30 Even more classic.....
34

Foo,

05/06/2009 15:08:24
32

Haha, yeah, what would we all do without some pi5h stained gentleman of leisure teaching us all how to comment on public forums.
35

OldmanfaeMethil,

Glasgow 05/06/2009 15:13:24
So, lets see: pi5h stained, shellsuited, buckfast drinking, unemployed and in a library.

I have to congratulate you for making the most bizarre apparent connection of someone questioning the unthinking dismissal of the work that those in the council do and a stereotyped image of a ned drinking buckfast in a library (!!!!). How peculiar.
36

Foo,

05/06/2009 15:15:24
34

Thanks, it was an easy deduction to make.
37

Foo,

05/06/2009 15:15:51
Oops 35

Thanks, it was an easy deduction to make.
38

OldmanfaeMethil,

Glasgow 05/06/2009 15:23:54
Foo, you forgot your L.
39

Foo,

05/06/2009 15:28:30
OldmanfaeMethil

You forgot your imastupidbloodyidiot at the end of your name
40

OldmanfaeMethil,

Glasgow 05/06/2009 15:48:32
Not the most subtle, nor the most bright are you Foo? A limited individual.
41

Cod,

05/06/2009 15:49:35
Meth(s)ill no more.
42

Foo,

05/06/2009 15:49:54
41

Ah, I'm just joking, you're a wonderful individual.
43

Cod,

05/06/2009 15:50:05
Linwood no more.
44

Cod,

05/06/2009 15:50:31
It's Friday. Enjoy the weekend.
45

Foo,

05/06/2009 15:51:48
Yes, enjoy the weekend.
46

Build me a tunnel,

05/06/2009 16:00:32
OldmanfaeMethil (Glasgow).

Mmmm......your a p$shhead and you must have a face like a horse 'cos your very blinkered - open your eyes, man - do you not know that the (world) economy is screwed and services need to provide greater value for money ??? Which tuurd have you been living under ??
47

tomias,

Edinburgh 05/06/2009 16:59:37
market forces
48

Major General Puffin-Stuff,

05/06/2009 21:55:23
"Three Monitors" Foo, who does "ten times the work of a council worker" seems to find a remarkable amount of time for posting!
49

Foo,

05/06/2009 22:14:36
50 Major General Puffin-Stuff

Someone sounds like they work for the council bin dept!
50

Major General Puffin-Stuff,

05/06/2009 22:42:55
#51

Nice try, 3 Monitors, from someone whose moniker gives the impression of being permanently pissed!

Foo, dear boy, you couldn't be further from the mark - but I would suspect that anyone who works for the council bin dept does a much more worthwhile job than your good self!
51

Major General Puffin-Stuff,

05/06/2009 23:07:33
By the way, your comment sounds like a typical adolescent fee-paying schoolboy remark from someone who's up his own @rse!
52

Foo,

06/06/2009 09:10:02
52 Major General Puffin-Stuff

Sounds like someone's a bit jealous of my three monitor awesomeness; guess you don't get many screens in the barse-end of the council refuse dept?

Unfortunately for you; a walter-the-softy type character that hitches up their skirt and cries a river every time I post, you could never handle the power of three.

No, you're much better suited making pointless little comments regarding whatever badass post I've made. Keep it up, you'll never be a pirate like me, but you are ideally suited to, like a remora to a shark, hanging on and basking in the light of my supreme massive-ball-ness.

pwned.
53

Bob 2,

06/06/2009 11:32:41
17 Foo, 05/06/2009 13:37:50

Think you ego's getting the better off you.

Sitting behind a Computer during work time,

Try cleaning up in some care Home after someone has soiled themselves or Teaching "special " needs kids and then you'll know what REAL work is.

Not sitting during your Work time commenting on the EN, winding everyone up


38 Gorgie_Tony, Edinburgh 05/06/2009 15:23:21

GT nice to see your usual constructive comments.

Apart from yourself, is there anyone that you like or love.....Keep it up GT....
54

Foo,

06/06/2009 12:09:27
Bob2

You have no idea of my situation.

You're a miserable old tw@t, always on here telling others your criticisms regarding their comments. You're boring, miserable and have nothing to say that's original.

I'd rather have GT around than you, at least he's interesting.
55

Bob 2,

in ma house 06/06/2009 19:01:44
Foo

You have no idea of my situation.

You're a miserable old tw@t like GT, always on here telling others criticisms regarding their comments. You're boring, miserable and have nothing to say that's original.

99% of your comments have nothing to do with the Article.

Try reading the Article and the comments made.

As you say "You have no idea of my situation", so based on that you would have no idea what a care worker has to put up with, cleaning up after olf Folk.

Your starting to sound like GT or are you and GT one in the same person?
56

Bob 2,

06/06/2009 20:54:50
comment 34 confirms this

so keep the old gramophone wound up
57

Bob 2,

06/06/2009 21:07:11
Foo
99% of your comments have nothing to do with the Article

heres and example of some constructive comments on an article the other day


83 Foo, 01/06/2009 16:49:18
96

84 Foo, 01/06/2009 16:49:35
97

85 Foo, 01/06/2009 16:49:43
98

86 Foo, 01/06/2009 16:49:49
99

87 Foo,01/06/2009 16:49:56
100!

90 Foo, 01/06/2009 16:50:51
hehe

and if any one can identify the Headline of the Article.

then answers on a Postcard to
58

Foo,

07/06/2009 16:01:05
Bob 2

1. My sister is a careworker

2. You're a tw@t

3. pwned.
59

Pond Hall,

07/06/2009 21:00:57
61

HLS

V
60

Bob 2,

07/06/2009 21:42:14
foo

thanks for your constructive comments.

pwned
61

Bob 2,

07/06/2009 21:42:40
foo

thanks for your constructive comments.

pwned.
62

Bob 2,

07/06/2009 21:48:13
pwned means "to own" or to be dominated by an opponent or situation, especially by some god-like or computer-like force.

knight to kings pawn

checkmate

Über
63

Bob 2,

07/06/2009 21:49:48
may the force be with you

now what was this article about?
64

Bob 2,

07/06/2009 21:51:21
hope your sister is not a council careworker, whose work is going out to tender, to earn even less

what ever happened to plain english

 

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