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South Sub derailed 'by lack of support'



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Published Date: 31 March 2008
A LACK of political will has been blamed for the demise of plans to reopen Edinburgh's south- suburban rail line.
A report into bringing back train services in some city suburbs for the first time in nearly 50 years published this week effectively ruled the project out, despite widespread public support.

The report, by consultants Halcrow, claimed the tradit
ional orbital South Sub route was not viable and concluded that a £38m route from Newcraighall to Edinburgh Park was best, but would require a public subsidy of £1.8m a year.

But E-Rail – a private company formed to fight for the reopening of the South Sub – today said the project's biggest stumbling block was finding politicians to drive the project forward.

City leaders today said that even with millions of pounds of private backing already secured by E-Rail, the business case for the South Sub is just not strong enough.

Andrew Robb, general manager of E-Rail, said: "The South Sub's estimated costs – less the £5m or more from developers' contributions – are still a drop in the ocean of the £2.5 billion the Government will spend on transport over the next two years alone. It is clearly political will, rather than hard cash, that is lacking. This is not the end of the line for the South Sub."

A feasibility study published in 2006 recommended a reinstated South Sub passenger service, with trains travelling from Waverley to Haymarket, then via stations at Gorgie, Craiglockhart, Morningside, Blackford or Newington, Cameron Toll, Craigmillar and Niddrie or Kinnaird Park. It suggested the line could attract 7100 passengers per day.

But the Halcrow report claims that existing expansion plans for services into Waverley and Haymarket, combined with growing passenger numbers, means the South Sub scheme would have difficulty finding space for stops at both city-centre stations.

Former City Council transport leader Lawrence Marshall, who is chairman of the Capital Rail Action Group, said: "There is a huge amount of political support for this project, but there is a clear lack of political will to drive it forward, which I think is down to the influence of officials."

Councillor Phil Wheeler, the city's transport leader, said: "The thorough and detailed independent study, carried out by Halcrow over several months, has found that the business case for the South Sub is just not strong enough. We should now concentrate on introducing trams and improving bus services."

Officials will now study the report before presenting their findings to councillors in May.





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1

Darren :-),

Edin city but on ma way to ibrox 31/03/2008 12:33:02
Biggest piece of bull ive read yet.

The trams dont have much support yet are going ahead - the sub has more support and doesnt?
2

Jingsitsme,

EDINBURGH 31/03/2008 12:42:42
What and abolute load of rubbish!!

Do the council think we the public are idiots and fools??

The case should be for both business and public and this Halcrow have either been given the wrong brief or they haven't a clue.

The tram system is neither built nor running so what's the bet the finance for that is wrong and it will be plagued with problems.

At least the rails for the south sub are there. There are numerous heavy laden trains pass along near Sava Centre each day as well as communter trains if problems on line elsewhere so it shows it is in order.

time this Council who are spending so much money on independent surveys are removed.
3

Bob 2,

31/03/2008 12:46:59
Quite clearly the Politicians are NOT INTERESTED in the South Suburban line as they have one clear objective

TRAMS. (full Stop).

Of Course presumably the Trains would be operated by FIRST Scotrail?

We couldn't have that, could we. A rival operator running part of Edinburgh Public Transport Network.
Breaking up TIE's virtual monopoly on Public Tranport in Edinburgh.

The South Suburb is a missed chance
NO roads to dig up
NO pipes to move
NO Track to lay
NO Cars or Traffic Lights or Road Works holding up the Journey.

Yip Edinburgh is still in the last Century when it comes to Improving Public Transport

4

Bob 2,

31/03/2008 12:47:53
How much did the Survey Cost by these Private Consultants.
5

Jingsitsme,

EDINBURGH 31/03/2008 12:52:59
#4 - the mind boggles - perhaps consultants now in Bahamas!
6

Martin 2,

Edinburgh 31/03/2008 13:12:19
Main issue appears to be congestion at Waverley - why can't a solution be found to this?

Glasgow has a great local train network - despite bulldozing large parts of its city in the 1960s. Edinburgh saved most of the city but blew it with its cuts in the train network.

The South surburban could hook round to the East of Edinburgh and back in via Abbeyhill - this would give a real choice in transport options for thousands of people in the city.
7

Mallory,

Edinburgh 31/03/2008 13:18:03
And very few opportunities for brown envelopes Bob(#3)
8

Statsman,

Edinburgh 31/03/2008 13:31:21
This council is useless. It has little to do with the politicians either. The unelected officials that run the council - while being paid huge salaries - regard Edinburgh as their fiefdom. Neither the people or politicians have any real say in how Edinburgh is run.

It's time for the councillors to grow a spine and sack heads of department across the council. That will send out a message as to who these unelected officials are answerable to.
9

Foresight,

By the Water of Leith 31/03/2008 13:39:45

We all know that consultants are prone to recommend what their paymasters want !! Methinks this is money down the drain.
10

Annoyingboi,

Emptybra 31/03/2008 13:53:13
Bloody pathetic Edinburgh Council. This city is going nowhere with the crowd we have in place just now
11

Darren :-),

Edin city but on ma way to ibrox 31/03/2008 14:52:53
#6 they could easily have another few platforms added at waverley or even make another station near by ie glasgow central and queen street and queen street lower. Fact that it could be done but they are just too thick to bother.
12

Hello,

UK 31/03/2008 15:17:09
The headline says that South Sub derailed 'by lack of support'. Who's lack of support is derailing it? Every time I hear about it it has a lot of support. Sounds to me like the council aren't interested in reopening it to passenger traffic. The line needs to be reopened to passenger traffic as soon as possible. Where does the line come out at the Eastern end? Could the trains run into/out of the eastern end of Waverley station? If the line was electrified it would be a very useful diversionary route for the electric trains as well.
13

Top Floor,

31/03/2008 15:18:53
All political parties have backed this scheme. Now they need to keep their promises.

The business case for the Waverley Line wasn't that great either but its going ahead.

If we want to improve public transport options we have to invest and take a long term view.

Phil Wheeler is just regurgitating what he's been told by officials. Get a back bone Phil, the Lib Dems said the South Sub was a "priority". Don't go running for cover now just because there's a few difficult challenges in delivering it.
14

Thomas the Tank,

Edinburgh 31/03/2008 15:19:59
A 'Consultant' is somebody who borrows your watch then charges to tell you the time. And as others have pointed out (espec. #9), a consultant will produce a 'Report' to fit any brief he's given. So, given the Kooncil's long standing antagonism to any 'heavy rail' proposals, absolutely no surprise here.
15

BobW,

South Embra 31/03/2008 16:23:52
The simple answer is that no tourists are involved in this. This council are obsessed with developing the Edinburgh theme park. The council tax payers/residents seem to have no importance any more.
16

Brian Ferrari,

31/03/2008 17:18:39
Who did they consult about this? Not the public, to my knowledge.
17

gus1940,

Edinburgh 31/03/2008 17:57:48
If every suburban/commuter line had to make a profit there wouldn't be any London commuter lines.
18

The Judge,

31/03/2008 18:24:48
#15 is right, this city is run for tourists and business visitors, the tax paying subjects can go hang.

The South Sub would be a great addition to the city, what a pity there is no political will to get on and build it.

I believe there is more public support for The South Sub than for the single tramLINE to nowhere.
19

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31/03/2008 21:49:01
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20

Hello,

UK 31/03/2008 22:39:51
#19 Using tram trains sounds like a great idea. Problem is that's logic and the council says that it isn't allowed.
#17 You talk about every railway line having to make a profit. What happened if the Government/council had to make a profit? The whole country would cease to operate.
21

paulr,

edinburgh 01/04/2008 08:56:26
"a £38m route from Newcraighall to Edinburgh Park was best, but would require a public subsidy of £1.8m a year"
If it requires an ongoing subsidy then its definitely not a good idea.
22

Why can't I use my usual name?,

Glasgow 01/04/2008 10:43:57
#22, the vast majority of rail routes require a subsidy, it's just a question of how much and whether the benefits beyond fare income justify the cost.

I can well understand why the SouthSub doesn't stack up - it isn't really a very useful passenger route and would soak up very limited capacity at Waverley and Haymarket. #11 says they coudl easily add platforms but that isn't the case - the just completed £150m upgrade at Waverley has only delivered a little additional capacity, most of which is already earmarked for forthcoming services.

The Council don't control investment decisions in the rail network. Their support would be helpful - but I don't see Transport Scotland or anyone else lining up to back this scheme.
23

Andrew,

01/04/2008 14:31:29
AND it passes just 'up the road' from the proposed new stand/stadium at Tynecastle (as does the ELECTRIFIED route from Haymarket to Slateford etc!!)
24

sjs,

Edinburgh 07/04/2008 12:50:00
This is part of an ongoing problem whereby Transport Scotland/National Rail is refusing to fund the proper expansion of Waverley. They were recommended to do a huge expansion but went for the cheap option. This means Waverley is running at full capacity.

Other commuter rail projects east of Edinburgh have also been denied approval because Waverley can't handle any more trains. Instead of solving the problem they think ignoring it will make it go away...

I'm thoroughly disappointed the government and council seem to be ignoring the east end of Edinburgh. No trams. Trying to sell up Meadowbank. Refusing to upgrade the congested East Coast Main Line. The problem seems to be there's not enough money to solve real not imaginary transport problems. Either we find a way of doing things for less money but the same quality (as other European countries like Germany/France seem to do fine), or we admit defeat. I guessed it!

 

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