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Published Date: 08 April 2008
A PROTEST is set to take place in the city centre against the Church of Scientology.
Organisers of the march say more than 100 masked protesters will turn up at the rally in the Old Town on Saturday.

The peaceful protest will take place at Hunter Square, which is close to the Scottish headquarters of the religion.

A group calling itself Anonymous Scotland is behind the protest, and they have urged former Scientologists and those with relatives in the church to join in.

They are protesting at what they describe as human rights violations across the world and want to highlight the fact the church has more of a presence in the Capital than many people realise.

A spokesperson for the protesters said: "Many people believe that the church is harmless or ridiculous, however it is in reality very dangerous.

"We are here to unmask the Church of Scientology by revealing its terrible practices. We will force the Church of Scientology to reform or collapse."

The movement was founded in 1953 and is based on writings by science fiction author L Ron Hubbard, who died in 1986. Its members include the films stars Tom Cruise and John Travolta.





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  • Last Updated: 08 April 2008 9:59 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 08/04/2008 12:18:03
How are they going to demonstrate scientology? I'd love to see!
2

Hector the Red,

08/04/2008 12:25:16
Still not as dangerous as Christian churches....remeber the crusades....black friday....the spanish inquisition...witch hunts...etc...etc...need I go on!
3

Thomas the Tank,

Edinburgh 08/04/2008 12:36:40
Hector maybe has a point - the beliefs of the scientology loonies are no more ridiculous than any other loonies who claim to have an invisible Friend in the Sky. I put my faith in a 6 ft rabbit who lives behind my settee. But nobody else can see him.
4

Finbarr Saunders,

08/04/2008 12:49:27
The Leader is good,
The Leader is great.
We surrender our will,
as of this day.

5

Paul Voltaire,

08/04/2008 12:49:31
Scientology is far too big an organisation for such minor protests to have any effect whatsoever.
6

anony101,

08/04/2008 13:00:33
Hector the Red - It was through protesting that a change has been made in the Christian church.

Paul Voltaire - This is part of a world wide protest that is happening on the same date.

Get involved - www.enturbulation.org
More info - www.whyweprotest.net
7

Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

08/04/2008 13:08:23
Aye...thiv bin in Edinburgh since at least the mid seventies...if memory serves me right..that was when they tried tae lure me up a close wae the promise o' a 'free personality test'....wheeewh am ah glad ah didnae go fir that!
8

Ron D,

Enybru 08/04/2008 13:09:34
Idiot students. Life must be easy if Scientology is the biggest problem around.
9

It's heading straight for us!,

Edinburgh 08/04/2008 13:38:51
#7 William Burroughs (the naked lunch) worked in Edinburgh a bit as a scientologist - imagine getting free personality test from that mad junkie!
10

Finbarr Saunders,

08/04/2008 13:53:00
#7 - Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen - "... they tried tae lure me up a close wae the promise o' a 'free personality test'"

True story - When I was 16 or 17, I took them up on their offer of a free personality test at their place on the Bridges.

I was silly enough to give them my real address. I lived at home with my parents at the time.

They were still sending letters, etc, to my parents' address twenty-odd years later.

Even if they think they might get you, they never let you go!

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AnonDeliversPizza,

Edinburgh 08/04/2008 13:58:05
I'm sad to see the level of ignorance projected by the commentors thusfar. While there is nothing wrong with the free exchange of ideas and information, I fully believe that if you are going to make a comment, at least be willing to educate yourselves before opening your mouths.

Those who carry the banner of Anonymous and choose to fight against the unlawful, unethical, and immoral practices of the pyramid-schemed Cult of Scientology have done their homework, and have chosen to fight for what they believe in. Why would anyone stand atop an ivory tower and discount their desire to bring an openly criminal organization to light?

Anonymous does not fight against the belief in Scientology, only in the practices exacted by the corporate business that owns, copywrites, and manages those beliefs in order to gain personal wealth and power at the expense of lives, happiness, and the well-being of others.

Again, I encourage anyone who decides to comment on this press release or any other form of notice regarding this fight to first educate themselves in an effort to at least make an intelligent opinion for the rest of the world to read.

http://theunfunnytruth.ytmnd.com/
http://goanonymous.org/
http://www.reconnect.org/
http://xenu.net/
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

08/04/2008 14:00:03
10...At least they didnae get you pal...wunner how many fell for it and as a result are noo wan o' the heidbangers...I mean really...have you read what they are all about?...aliens and space ships and total mind control....they are supposed to have something on these stars and celebs that spout the 'Sci fi' blarney that auld Hubbard wrote....and are blackmailing them...I mean come on...the guy wrote science fiction and created a cult aroon his stories...as bad as the 'Moonies'...total and overwhelming mind and personality control...some class stuff on Youtube about Scientology....it wid make ye shake yer heid in disbelief that adults fall for such a load of crap science fiction...tch tch tch
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Terrye0,

USA 08/04/2008 14:11:48
I admire the Anonymous protesters for mounting a rescue mission to help the people who are being harmed by a dangerous and corrupt organisation. Scientology breaks up families - the current leader's niece has set up a website: exscientologykids.org to protest against the practice of "Disconnection" and help others who have been harmed in this way. The protests on Saturday mark the start of Operation Reconnect, which aims to bring these broken families back together.

Educate yourselves about the dangerous nature of scientology: www.xenu.net
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

08/04/2008 14:13:44
11....Just read some of that 'Xenu' stuff..he's the chap thats waiting in a mountain somewhere eh?..teeh heeh heeh...

Looks as if auld Hubbard was whacked out of his mind on pills and rum when he wrote his hallucinatory fantasia that is 'Scientology'...oh dear..maybe I should have experimented a bit further with LSD and then written down the details...could have missed out on a fortune there....sigh..always miss the boat me...
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

08/04/2008 14:14:20
And the film was shoite.
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Chanson,

London 08/04/2008 14:32:21
#2 Hector: Ah, but if those things were happening today we'd do something about them too, wouldn't we? And you'd be surprised at just how dangerous Scientology can be, once you do a little bit of digging. Just start with Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_controversies

#3 Thomas the Tank: Their beliefs may seem no more ridiculous than those of other religions, yes, and that's perfectly fine with most people like you and me (even if the whole idea of all the world's problems being the fault of an alien overlord blowing us up with hydrogen bombs in a volcano 75 million years ago does elicit a chuckle now and then.)

The thing is, Anonymous isn't protesting those beliefs. They're protesting the abuses that the cult propagates under the cover of those beliefs. There's a distinction, you know? The same way that people don't oppose Islam itself but certainly have one hell of a beef against the terrorism conducted in the name of it.

Abuses I can think off the top of my head:

- Coercing adherents to sever ties with any family or friends who criticize Scientology. They call this their 'Disconnection' policy. Because anyone close to you who doesn't agree with what you're supposed to believe in is apparently bad for you (a Suppressive Person) and you should never see them again if you can help it. Even if they're your father or mother.

- Requiring payments in hundreds and thousands for their multi-leveled 'self-improvement programs' under the label of 'donations'. You pay to complete one level and there's always the next, but hey, you can pay less as long as you help bring more people into Scientology... Multi-level marketing scheme alarm bells there, no?

(You may ask, how is this different from tithing in churches, for example? The church doesn't encourage you to mortgage your house and sell your possessions just to get the money to buy your way into sermons. Or teach you one book of the Bible at a time at an hourly rate of a fifty pound
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Chanson,

(continued) 08/04/2008 14:33:10
or so. In fact, if you're poor, the church will more likely help you with the tithe money rather than tell you 'Maybe you should get a loan'.)

- Harassing critics. Any critics. And we're not just talking about legal action, although Scientology certainly uses a lot of that; their founder himself wrote that lawsuits were to be used not to be won, but to drive their 'enemies' into the ground by draining their resources and their endurance.

But we're also talking about stalking critics. Digging up personal information to be used against them. Forging evidence to be used against them. Paulette Cooper in the 70s, Richard Behar in the 90s, BBC's very own John Sweeney in recent times, and many, many others. You've probably seen the Panorama documentary and the controversy around it yourself.

Well, this comment's getting a tad too long now, so I'll end it with a nifty investigative documentary that ought to raise a number of questions about how deep the Scientology rabbit hole goes, as it were.

Israeli TV's Friday Studio Special Report - "The Scientologist" (subtitled in the Queen's English, fear not!)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=UsqMqtpU44o (Part 1)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=eJNOHmtEt9o (Part 2)
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Jinkii,

Scotland 08/04/2008 14:41:33
It isn't just a single small protest in Auld Reekie, it is the third in a series of monthly protests happening in over 100 cities globally from Adelaide in Australia to Honolulu in Hawaii, all organised by a disparate grouping of internet activists fighting for freedom of speech, the rights of the "Church"'s membership and to enlighten the public to the crimes and abuses of this global scam masquerading as a religion. If the last two protests are any indicator there will be laughs, entertainment and the possibility of hugs. In the main the protesters will be masked due to a Co$ practice known as "Fair Game" see Xenu.net for details
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bgodley,

08/04/2008 15:50:18
As a Scientologist, I once considered these protests to be the hubris of youth, misdirected by the seedy side of an internet culture. But now I know better.

After reading the information gathered some anti-Scientology sites I now understand why they consider the Church to be an evil tyrannical organization that fleeces it's parishoners. If it weren't for what this little campaign has turned me onto, I would just be another sad commentator on the, I am sorry to say, gullibility of the people of my Church. However, this organization has taken on a much brighter side no matter what is professed by some of those in my Church.

I was interested in finding out where some of these kids got their info so I visited the sites including the partyvan site where their "organization" started from.

I must say I was impressed at the profound and thoughtful overtones of the discussion boards. Most were actively calling for peaceful, law abiding behavior at the protests, and they swiftly rejected any ridiculous calls for burning things, overturning cars, etc. In this age where we as Americans are being constantly reminded of how insecure our way of life is in the world. Where we seem to have lost some of the sanctity of personal freedom and the joy of pursuit of our way of life as we see fit, this campaign seems to be exactly what Scientology and our country needs, right now!

These individuals know the Church is involved in some nefarious activity, and they have been very active in gathering any evidence of it, which they have promptly given to authorities.

I have seen proof that the Church is fleecing people for profit and run as a pyramid scheme type of business, and I encourage everyone to contact the IRS, your representatives in Congress, and all other authorities and bring them your claims.

Now I clearly understand that what the spokespeople of the Church of Scientology are doing is inciting malice and prejudice. Make no mistake not all in Scientology are the sa
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bgodley,

08/04/2008 15:52:12
...continued

Make no mistake not all in Scientology are the same and some probably just don't know what they are doing. However, they are some pretty nasty characters in there, I have seen it.

It is unfortunate that the leaders of Scientology feed off of our youth to pursue their personal agendas of acquiring wealth and power. Quite despicable really.
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Jinkii,

Scotland 08/04/2008 16:48:39
Videos of 15/03/08 Protest
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRA1MVFw1VE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGO14z2bqpg
"Scientology made me wear a Tie today!"
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Roger Gonnet,

France 08/04/2008 17:28:46
First and foremost, Bravos and Applauds to the anonymous who consecrate so much to get this scam cult known and destroyed.
Because there is no other word to define a method fabricated to get a maximum of money and time freom its adepts, generally in exchange of... more enrollment and more money!
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Hen Mc Stoorie,

Port William 08/04/2008 18:27:25
Is this a bit like being a member o' the Labour Party?
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An anon,

08/04/2008 23:37:09
bgodley, your courage confronting your church from within is to be admired. There may be larger problems in the world today than the Church of Scientology, but it is one we can directly do something about. The church relys on secrecy, litigation, harassment and the brainwashing of its followers to continue what its doing. Thanks to brave souls such as yourself and the "old guard" who've been protesting the church for years, we have evidence of wrongdoing great enough to turn both legislators and members of the public against them Thanks to the internet we have the means to disseminate this information quickly and effectively, and thanks to the internet we have Anonymous, a loose collective of anonymous internet activists with goals rather than a leader or central organisation. The lack of central command makes it impossible for the church to target it with litigation, and at worst the most they can do is harass a handful of the thousands involved. And those they try to harass will record the harassment, and will have several decades of precedents of this "fair game" policy to back them up when they sue.

The monthly protesting is only one facet of Anonymous's activities. There are also flyering campaigns, letter writing campaigns, petitions, forum postings, word of mouth transmission and other activities. Jenna Miscavige, mentioned by the poster Terryeo, is one of many ex scientologists and others who are coming forward with information and/or offering help and support to people leaving the cult. The secret documents they charge hundreds of thousands to access are avaliable free on wikileaks.org (http://www.wikileaks.org/wiki/Church_of_Scientology_collected_Operating_Thetan_documents) despite the cults' attempts to sue for breech of copyright (they'd sue for libel if the documentsa were lies).

More info?
www.whyweprotest.net
www.xenu-directory.net
www.xenu.net
www.enturbulation.org
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bgodley2,

09/04/2008 08:12:46
The previous bgodley posting here isn't what I would call brave. Underhanded is a little more like it.

You see, this individual has gone around and used my original moniker bgodley, copied commentary of mine and altered it (I had to use bgodley2 to enter a comment here).

For evidence of my statement you can see my original commentary on Richmond.com dated around three weeks ago on March 15th.

http://www.richmond.com/news-features/23754

That commentary is what is altered and used in this string - for both comments above. This person also used the above altered copied and pasted comment on that same string later on. Not too bright I feel.

So there you have it. Black and white, unrefutable evidence of the tactics of some of this crowd.

Individuals like this in this anti-Scientology, conspiracy group incite others. Witness the comment from An Anon extolling this individuals virtues - oh how brave, what an example of "truth" of the church while also building an argument connected with this dubious source. Pretty sad really.

It is a bit hard to tell if this bit of lying is just made to upset other Scientologists including me or used as black propaganda against the church. Either way I think it is telling as to what type of character is drawn to this campaign.

This type of stuff has been going on in the small but active anti-scientology community for some time yet individuals like An Anon fail to see it.
They fancy themselves internet vigilantes or superheroes on some mission to destroy the "cult" of Scientology and rid mankind of this super evil.

They do this while there is blood running in the streets of Baghdad, economic collapse in many cities, criminal activity on the rise, and a large reduction of personal liberties here in the US.

Some how I think they missed the memo... or the boat... or the point.

It would be plain old funny if religious bigotry was a funny topic. But it isn't. One thing I will admit is that I don't find it sur
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bgodley2,

09/04/2008 08:26:55
Sorry for the cut on length. I didn't know about the limit.

I was going to finish with the fact that I don't find this activity suprising though. If we look back on man's history we find all religions fought. People were black balled, slandered, ostracized and even tortured and killed for their beliefs.

The main problem I have is how a core few seem to be using many of our youth in their campaign against the church. They create websites filled with sensational opinion, backed mainly by a few old judicial opinions and call it "research" and "documentation". They create chat rooms where they can pat attendees on the back for being good samaritans in fighting the evil organization. They prey upon benevolent instincts and egg on with sickly sweet praise to further their cause.

I don't blame many who have been duped in this endeavor. Confronting true sordidness in others is a bit difficult. If victims could confront this stuff in mankind they would not be victims. What makes it difficult to see (and this doesn't just apply in this activity)is the pretended help they offer or pretended rightousness and benevolence. The only way to not be victimized is by an ability to confront others. Then you could spot the inconsistencies and oddities that just don't add up.

Until then, well, I at least hope their parents know what they are doing.



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an om onus,

US 09/04/2008 11:15:38
bgodley2-- I hope you do not mind that I address your comment sentence by sentence.

The "tactics" which you speak of is perhaps a misunderstanding of parody, an important tool in Anonymous' toolbox. That being said, "bgodley"'s response pushes the definition of parody, and because of the nature of Anonymous, no member can be controlled. This could have come from a member of Anonymous just as easily as someone trying to destroy their reputation. Anonymous, therefore, makes it a policy of refusing to associate itself with people who will not protest peacefully or legally.

Real, committed members of Anonymous only try to "incite others" with the truth of their arguments.

Anonymous does not fancy itself internet vigilantes. Anonymous sticks to legal and peaceful methods of protest, and anyone acting otherwise is given up readily to cops or other relevant public protection. Since anyone can claim to be a part of Anonymous, it is easy to see where people disagreeing with Anonymous can take advantage.

"They do this while there is blood running in the streets of Baghdad, economic collapse in many cities, criminal activity on the rise, and a large reduction of personal liberties here in the US." Maybe you're right, but everyone can't protest everything. The crimes of Scientology are the crimes that have spoken to the members of Anonymous, and that is the fight they have taken up.

"Some how I think they missed the memo... or the boat... or the point." Please feel free to enlighten us. Anonymous is always available for discussion.

"It would be plain old funny if religious bigotry was a funny topic. But it isn't." You are precisely right. This is not a laughing matter. Scientology requires thousands of dollars for advancement within the faith; it maintains the policy of disconnection, separating families; it attacks its critics with harassment, private investigators, false accusations, and worse. (For more information google/research the "church"'s tax exem
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an om onus,

US 09/04/2008 11:16:54
(apologies on comment length--to continue)

(For more information google/research the "church"'s tax exempt status, "operation freakout", "operation snow white", Lisa McPherson, and their policies of disconnection and "fair game.")

"The main problem I have is how a core few seem to be using many of our youth in their campaign against the church." I think it may be you, sir, that has missed the point this time. Anonymous does not have any leaders. There were critics before Anonymous, and Anonymous may support what they have to say; but there are no "leaders". That is the nature of Anonymous.

I would like to turn your next statement around from a statement against Anonymous to show how it applies to the "Church" of Scientology:

"I don't blame many who have been duped in this endeavor. Confronting true sordidness in others is a bit difficult. If victims could confront this stuff in mankind they would not be victims." This is true. The victims, in this case, are the members whose lives are being ruined financially, emotionally, and sometimes completely.

" What makes it difficult to see (and this doesn't just apply in this activity)is the pretended help they offer or pretended rightousness and benevolence." In this case, the victims cannot see they are being duped because the "church" has brainwashed them and deprived them of resources they could use to escape. In addition, critics gain little support because of the "church"'s harassment of its critics, making it even harder for any victims of the "church" to find the truth.

" The only way to not be victimized is by an ability to confront others. Then you could spot the inconsistencies and oddities that just don't add up. " That is precisely what Anonymous is doing. It is standing up for those who are victimized and showing the general public, and hopefully all the victims, all the pieces that don't add up.

"I at least hope their parents know what they are doing." Anonymous includes people from young
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an om onus,

US 09/04/2008 11:17:50
(apologies again--part III)

"I at least hope their parents know what they are doing." Anonymous includes people from young teens to people in their eighties. Please do not pretend it is otherwise, it is insulting.

I am willing to continue a lively discussion here should you so choose to do so. =) Anonymous is not violent or scary and I hope you take up this offer.

In a previous paragraph, you said: "They create websites filled with sensational opinion, backed mainly by a few old judicial opinions and call it "research" and "documentation"." Here is the information that I am presenting for further information on Scientology as well as to demonstrate that these sites are not full of made-up facts, but I invite you to research and decide for yourselves:


http://www.exscientologykids.com
http://www.xenu.net
http://www.whyaretheydead.net
http://www.scientologydisconnection.com
http://www.scientology-kills.org
http://www.scientology-lies.com
http://www.stopscientology.com
http://reconnect.org

And more about Anonymous vs. Scientology: http://www.whyweprotest.net

And for many, many more resources:
http://expectus.net
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an om onus,

09/04/2008 11:19:45
Excuse me, my apologies again, the last link should be:

http://expectus.info


Thank you!
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anonymamma,

edinburgh 09/04/2008 12:26:58
bgodly- I AM a parent honey :)

I'm protesting for my kids and other exploited Scientologist kids across the world. The way Scientolgy kids are separated from parents, neglected, abused and left to raise themselves, particularly in Scientology strongholds like Clearwater has been a compelling reason to protest for me.
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anonymamma,

edinburgh 09/04/2008 12:39:40
See this long story about a fathers estrangement from his daughter and son because of Scientology's manipulations-
http://www.ecentral.com/members/skeller/

And this very sad personal account of a childhood growing up in Scientology-
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=204

To quote-

"So back in LA, with no real control of us, we pretty much did whatever we wanted. I had no idea how to get money so I learned how to steal from my brother. And we did alot of that. I also learned that if I sat on this guys lap for a while, he would give me money too. And another guy too would touch me with his hands and he gave me money too. I was oh, 10 - 13 years old through all of this. Where was my mom? I don't remember. I didnt even learn how to brush my teeth - nobody around taught me a thing. And if I couldnt find anyone to "earn" money from (as above), I could steal from vending machines, or the mexican wogs [what Scientologists call anyone outside the cult, disgusting isn't it?] who made our food.

I am not claiming innocence in this. I am just telling my story. (But the church really makes you feel guilty and responsible for it!).

I was doing alright in school, except I remember one time a girl telling me that I was always wearing the exact same dress every day. I probably was. I didnt even notice. Also my hair was always tangled and I could not get it fixed and I had lice so many times."
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Diantic,

Edinburgh 09/04/2008 14:22:54
The "church" of Scientology as an organisation has usurped the genuine desire of many of their followers to do good to commit quite heinous acts.

They convince their followers that they are fighting a crusade, that critics are enemies and should be destroyed by any means necessary; this is backed up by their own written doctrines. This demonization of critics has caused many followers to commit illegal acts against critics, from harassment to physical and verbal abuse.

They have convinced their followers that psychiatry is evil and is plotting to take over the world and must be fought at all costs. Which is why when their volunteer ministers turn up at disasters, like 9/11 or the Boxing Day Tsunami, they spend more time handing out anti-psychiatry literature and promoting / recruiting for scientology than actually help; which is why many see them as parasites.

They isolate their followers from outside influences, trapping them in to their world so even those who feel they want something better cannot see any way out.

They constantly pressure their "staff" to be upstat - do more for scientology - turning them in to drones. Those people joined the church to improve their lives and end up working insane hours in poor conditions for little pay. Those who want to leave are told they will be served with a freeloader debt for all the services the church has done for them, another ploy to keep them in.

The ultimate goal of the "church" of scientology is to clear the planet, meaning make everyone a scientologist or sympathetic to them. This may seem unobtainable but they are aggressively pursuing this goal with vengeance.

They infiltrate in to governments, law enforcement and policy making groups. They covet the famous for the influence they have over their fans (Tom Cruise gets the red carpet treatment). They have many front groups that recruit for them:

WISE - provides business advice
NARCONON - Drug rehabilitation
CRIMINON - Criminal
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Diantic,

09/04/2008 14:26:35
Cont:
Way to Happiness - "secular" advice for moral living
Applied Scholastics - Teaching methods for kids

The primary aim of all these and others is to recruit people in to scientology. Many of those working in these organisations really believe they are doing good by this but all they are doing is feeding the self serving organisation of the "church" of Scientology.

In the "church" of scientology you are either at the top or you are there to be bled for all you can give and if you have nothing you are ruthlessly cast aside.

In "church" of scientology parlance if you're not upstat then you're downstat and that attracts some form of punishment. Stats are done weekly and Upstat means doing better than last week.

The Church of Scientology deserves protesting.
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Diantic,

Edinburgh 09/04/2008 14:36:25
Amendment - in addition to encouraging their followers to commit illegal acts they also encourage them to commit unethical acts, actively pursuing and harassing people in an effort to drive them insane or make them commit suicide. There are many harrowing stories of people who have fallen victim to this, not least being Paulette Cooper. More recently many protestors and even some passers by at protests have received legal letters suggesting they have been involved in illegal activities; the church of scientology has activily sought to identify and trace individuals to their homes in an effort to silence them. This is known as the practice of "fair game"; a practice the church says they cancelled, in reality all they did was stop officially declaring people "fair game", the treatement of their critics remains the same.
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An anon,

OMG! IT'S AN INTERNET CONSPIRICY!!!!! 09/04/2008 14:54:08
Hey bgodely, how are your stats?. You got nymnapped. And this bothers you. This is sad (though I'm sure quite funny to whoever did it).

You see, nobody here really knows who you really are, or cares. You could post under any name you like. It's not who you are or what your name is that counts, it's what you say that is of interest.

People want to know if you can back up what you say with fact, or answer us without resorting to ad-hominum attacks or other logical fallacies.

So please, let me ask you 2 things. Firstly: If the information posted on wikileaks contains misinformation (you do still claim the story of Xenu etc is false, right?) why is the church of scientology not suing for libel? Why is it suing for copyright infringement? It makes sense to sue for both as the more charges that can be brought, the more likely one will stick... unless the Xenu story's true, of course.

Secondly: In the central text "Keep Scientology Working" L. Ron Hubbard is adamant that the tech should never be changed, ever, and that anyone doing so is out-ethics and should be punished. Yet David Miscavige has released an edited version of the original, despite Hubbard saying that the old tech was perfect. In fact, David Miscavige is saying the old tech is so broken he's entitled to make every scientologist pay several thousand pounds on a new set of basics. Why is he being allowed to do this? Shouldn't he be in the RPF?
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bgodley,

09/04/2008 15:49:49
I am bgodley.
I am a Scientologist AND I am Anonymous.

My decision to re-evaluate my "church" and its activities is now being actively suppressed by the Church, posting as me on various websites in an attempt to discredit my opinion.

Despite this enturbulation, I will continue to write about what is true for ME.

Recently I have made a serious, life changing decision. It all began when I visited some of the websites for ex-scientologists, with every intention to bring what I thought was the truth about Scientology to these "ignorant" critics. Then I read about some very specific incidents of abuse going on at the highest level.
At first, I easily dismissed these stories of abuse from my mind, just as I have always dismissed so much of the data the critic movement has been trying to publicize.

However, after confronting story after story of violence, deceit, and humiliation, soon it became clear to me that what I thought were just isolated incidents were actually a pattern of abuse and corruption that lead all the way to the top (and you know who I mean.) The testimonies of many former staff and public members paint a clear and undeniable picture of a self-destructive organization feeding upon itself to survive.

Thus it is that I am no longer acting as a Scientology apologist. Obviously the OSA will attempt to dead agent me by making false posts in my name here and elsewhere. That is to be expected, as we all know there are a handful of OSA posting furiously all over the internet under many names, and apparently they've now added my moniker to their stable.

I am bgodley, and I will not be silenced by their mocking or ridicule any more than the critics. The crimes of the leadership of Scientology are far too serious and widespread to be covered up now.
In fact, I am aware of ongoing investigations by certain federal entities. While it is not yet time for me to go public with everything I know, the time is fast approaching.

Don't just believe
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bgodley,

09/04/2008 15:51:26
...continued...

Don't just believe me.
Do what I did, and check the data yourself.

Read all about the tiny terror, David Miscavige, regularly beating and abusing staff at the ex-scientologist message board:

www.forum.exscn.net <--Respectful ex-Scientologists, Good People!!!

or Google these words:
Miscavige Musical Chairs

bgodley, with eyes wide open, thanks to Anonymous
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anonymamma,

09/04/2008 16:44:55
:D

So pleased we helped, bgodly. It does indeed seem like OSA are using your name for their online antics, I'm so sorry that your handle will be dragged through the mud.

 

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