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Published Date: 30 July 2008
OFF-LICENCES in the city centre could be set to ban under-25s from buying alcohol without ID under new proposals being considered.
Store owners in central Edinburgh are being signed up to the Safer Off-Sales (SOS) scheme in a bid to curb binge drinking and antisocial behaviour.

The 76 retailers located in the city centre are expected to join together to ensure anyone purchasi
ng alcohol from their premises must show ID if they look under-21.

But police chiefs are encouraging the businesses to check identification for under-25s in an effort to stop youths getting drink.

Alcohol campaigners today backed the idea of introducing an over-25s policy. The SOS scheme, launched yesterday, will see the owners band together in a self-regulating body which would also have the power to ban problem customers from stores.

The scheme is similar to the Unight programme set up last year by the city's 36 nightclubs. It is estimated that 65 per cent of weekend calls to police between 8pm and 4am are alcohol related, and 40 per cent of calls on week days.

Inspector Bruce Johnstone, sector inspector for the city centre, said: "We need to promote sensible drinking in Edinburgh as part of a drive to change the alcohol culture in Scotland.

"We want to work with off-licences to ensure that this can happen.

"This is about licensees taking social responsibility for what they sell.

"They might make 20p profit from selling a bottle of cider to a street drinker, but a few hundred yards away from the store this can lead to antisocial behaviour.

"People buying bottles of wine, vodka or cider every day often need and want help. They don't need shopkeepers handing over drink to them without asking why.

"This scheme is being run by the licensees, the police are simply giving them information. But I would like to see them adopting the under-25 policy for alcohol sales. I think it could happen."

Pc Mark Pickavance, the force's SOS co-ordinator, said: "The amount of off-sales of alcohol is increasing. We want the scheme to become an industry standard. Unight has been very successful and we think this could do the same kind of good work."

The police want off-sales to run a strict ID policy to keep alcohol out of the hands of youths while officers focus their attention on catching "agent sales" where adults buy drink for under-18s.

Officers also want licensees to report these "proxy buyers" whose images could be caught on security cameras.

Andrew Donaldson, manager of Nicholas off-licence in George Street, said: "Hopefully this scheme will allow us to deal effectively with problem customers who move from one shop to the next. We've run a Challenge 21 ID scheme for some time and it has been effective.

"We would be happy to move to an under-25 policy too."

But another shopkeeper raised concerns about how easy it would be to keep out banned troublemakers.

Naushad Mohammed, manager of the Tollcross Newsagents in Bread Street, said: "We are going to join the scheme but I'm worried that if banned people come into the shop it will be simpler to sell them the alcohol and get them out quickly rather than face trouble.

"We will need support from the police to enforce it."





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  • Last Updated: 30 July 2008 11:01 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Jock MacSprog,

30/07/2008 12:04:54
dont just "urge" them. Enact a law that has real teeth and ENFORCE it vigorously for a change.
2

Papa? Nicole! Papa?,

30/07/2008 12:13:01
There is already a law.

It's the licensing act.

It says you should be 18 to purchase booze in an off license. How about enforcing that one, rather than making new (and utterly useless) ones, whilst wasting taxpayers money doing it?
3

alex paterson,

edinburgh 30/07/2008 12:17:19
Stupidity,you are old enough to get married,vote,but may be refused at the off license,think again.
4

alex paterson,

edinburgh 30/07/2008 12:17:20
Stupidity,you are old enough to get married,vote,but may be refused at the off license,think again.
5

Spondoolicks,

qwq 30/07/2008 12:24:04
This makes perfect sense

Rather than lambasting the police for this idea why not turn your scorn on those that have created the situation in the first place??

6

Davy,

Edinburgh 30/07/2008 12:36:38
Would the youths of today be binge drinking to the extent the control freaks say, if society it self was not out of control.
The government can’t get it together, neither did previous governments. Drugs are an example 40 years they have been using the tax payer’s money to sort out the problem. They now say it is worse than ever.
Examples should be made at the top. Instead they pick on the younger generation. It is an effort, to try and take the attention from themselves & the continual incompetence, of most government departments. The government should be creating a feel good factor then the masses would eventually not need to drink so much, or participate in the taking of drugs. Instead they want to tax, oppress, & control every move you make.
In return the masses get legless
7

I love to eat Sellotape,

30/07/2008 12:37:37
Let's not turn our scorn on anyone. Let's all have a sing-song. Let's all have a good laugh.
8

Ecto,

30/07/2008 12:39:14
If you have a licence it is your obligation not to sell alcohol to those who are not entitled to buy it. THe council have issued too many licences, every chip shop in the city now sells booze, but the cooncil are happy to take the licence fees but not happy to deal with the consequences. Cut the number of licences to professional stores who are then dealt with sharply if there is a problem.
9

Shave,

Edinburgh 30/07/2008 12:45:42
"People buying bottles of wine, vodka or cider every day often need and want help. They don't need shopkeepers handing over drink to them without asking why."

If you are obese MacDonalds aren't expected to provide the help you need. They are not going to weigh you and refuse to serve you if you are too fat.

Haddows aren't there to counsel you before they sell you a bottle of wine. They are there to sell alcohol within the remit of their license.

The majority of licensees already uphold the law as they should.

"This is about licensees taking social responsibility for what they sell."

No, this is about some off-license customers not behaving responsibly and the police not tackling their behaviour.

And, of course, Blame the young! Blame the young!
10

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 30/07/2008 13:05:14
All this rigourous enforcement is counter-productive. These laws were never meant to be enforced by the letter.

When I was in my late teens, we never had cause to buy alcohol from off-licences and then drink it in the park. Provided we behaved ourselves, we could get away with going to the pub and drinking in a safe and secure environment. And we behaved ourselves on the way home because has we got pulled by the cops, they would have known that we had been drinking and then we subsequently would have been barred from the pubs.

The onus was on us to behave such that people were prepared to turn a blind eye to us---and it worked!

Draconian enforcement is completely brain-dead. It assumes that people are going to obediently comply with everything that they are told to do, without question and regardless of the circumstances. They will not.

When 16-17 year olds could get away with drinking in pubs, there was a lot less of the "antisocial behaviour" we tend to see now. Part of having a drink was being able to handle it. If you couldn't do that, you had no respect and stood a very high chance of being banned completely. It's about time they reverted back to the old ways of doing things. They worked. The fascist shambles we have now does not.

"Rules are made for the strict observance of fools and the guidance of wise men"

-- Douglas Bader
11

I love to eat Sellotape,

30/07/2008 13:05:21
People should be given a token for doing a Good Thing. When they have accumulated a set number of tokens, then they should be allowed to buy alcohol.

Good Thing tokens could be issued for acts like helping an old lady cross the road, washing a neighbour's car, cleaning up local dog excrement, or setting an SUV on fire.
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30/07/2008 13:10:50
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Mullamoo,

Edinburgh 30/07/2008 13:56:54
Number 13 you are spot on. They could also be issued for removing plastic bags stuck in trees.
14

Epicuras,

30/07/2008 13:57:41
they should extend the over 25 age rule to pubs as well - you could have special pubs for those under 25 which could be policed properly and have padded walls and plastic glasses etc
15

I love to eat Sellotape,

30/07/2008 14:10:02
15.

In my world, you'd get two Good Thing tokens for removing a plastic bag from a tree.
16

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 30/07/2008 14:16:30

"People buying bottles of wine, vodka or cider every day often need and want help. They don't need shopkeepers handing over drink to them without asking why."

'Why am I selling you this alcohol'
'Cos I'm buying it'


17

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 30/07/2008 14:17:32

#18 how many for removing a cat in a bag waiting to drown?

How many for a rabbit from a hat?
18

I love to eat Sellotape,

30/07/2008 14:31:09
20.

Well, I've not really thought this through. Most Good Things would be worth one token, I think. Obviously, if you rescued people from a burning building or built a hospice with your bare hands, something like that, you'd get more than one. And if you punched Peter Mandelson in the face, really hard, you'd be in line for a lifetime's supply of tokens.
19

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 30/07/2008 14:47:51

This is 'UTTER' CONTROL FREAK NONSENSE!

You can purchase your home, be married with 2.2 children, and have a respectable job before you are 25years old, but ya canny buy the booze!

Why not go all the way and ban the booze sales to the under 50s

Talk about the 'MUPPET SHOW' we are in it!
20

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 30/07/2008 14:49:19

This is 'UTTER' CONTROL FREAK NONSENSE!

You can purchase your home, be married with 2.2 children, and have a respectable job before you are 25years old, but ya canny buy the booze!

Why not go all the way and ban the booze sales to the under 50s

Talk about the 'MUPPET SHOW' we are in it!
21

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 30/07/2008 15:07:21

#21 it's a good idea in principle, but I think you're a bit vague about the practicalities.

Like what if someone tries to steal the tokens, gets swatted by shop manageress with an EEN? What then, eh?
22

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 30/07/2008 15:08:10

In summary: what is needed is a shop manageress SWAT team.
23

alex paterson,

edinburgh 30/07/2008 15:16:49
#9
Yes a far better idea,cheers.
24

Peedie Paws,

Edinburgh 30/07/2008 15:51:57
America's laws say that under 21's are not allowed to purchase or drink alcohol and you never hear them complaining. When on holiday over there, I had to carry my passport about to prove that I was over 21 when in a pub or bar. What's wrong with doing it here? The kids get away with far too much nowadays so its time they got kicked back into order.
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30/07/2008 16:01:12
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30/07/2008 16:02:48
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30/07/2008 16:23:45
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30/07/2008 16:29:14
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Angus R,

30/07/2008 16:34:13
I agree with everything no.33 says
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I love to eat Sellotape,

30/07/2008 16:36:12
24.

Well, I'm afraid I've no answer to that. I was kind of hoping you wouldn't raise that question.

By an odd coincidence, I am not going to California on Saturday.
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30/07/2008 16:42:16
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I love to eat Sellotape,

30/07/2008 16:59:19
36.

As I've said, I haven't thought this out. But I thought I said "hospice" rather than a "hospital". But I suppose it doesn't matter. Hospice, hospital, hosepipe, whatever.
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30/07/2008 17:02:40
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SPG,

edinburgh 30/07/2008 17:04:41
They need a damn good thrashing!
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30/07/2008 20:36:31
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Matt there,

somewhere 31/07/2008 02:53:12
So, let's see... It would be legal for someone of 24 to have been married for eight years, to have a couple of children and to be a manager of a supermarket. But it would be illegal for them to buy a bottle of wine to celebrate their ninth wedding anniversary from that same supermarket.

"People buying bottles of wine, vodka or cider every day often need and want help."

No. They do not WANT help. Needing and wanting such help is not the same thing.

And the current stupid laws with 24 hour drinking and booze on sale everywhere were introduced by Westminster.

 

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