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Observatory roof lead stolen for second time



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Published Date: 03 July 2008
WATER is leaking into the historic Playfair Observatory on Calton Hill after lead was ripped from its roof just weeks after workmen had repaired it.
The bill to fix the damage is estimated to be around £10,000.

The latest repair work, completed last month, was carried out more than a year after several tonnes of lead was stolen from the same roof.

The theft has sparked calls for better secu
rity at the facility to prevent further attempts.

In separate incidents, copper was stolen from the site's Tweedie building, which now needs immediate demolition because it has been left unsafe.

Copper was also stolen from a fire exit at the City Dome building and a copper lightning conductor was taken from its roof.

The thefts came after two massive spare propellers from the Royal Yacht Britannia made from phosphor bronze were stolen last month.

Also, at least 140 iron manhole covers have disappeared across the Lothians, including 40 in Portobello, recently.

The Astronomer Royal for Scotland today urged the city council to provide better security for the observatory complex.

Professor John Brown, an honorary professor at Edinburgh University, said: "Razor wire is not ideal but some kind of obstacle like that could make a difference. There should at least be cameras or automatic lighting.

"There's no point or putting lead back up there to be stolen again without adequate security measures in conjunction with it. It would be throwing good money after bad, but I would at least hope to see some temporary covering put up quickly to avoid any damage to the building and instrument from water."

The Astronomical Society of Edinburgh, which leases the buildings from the council, also wants better security at the site.

Graham Rule, the society's secretary, said: "The lead was recovered but it was ripped off, leaving a lot of damage to the roof. It cannot be reused so now it needs replacing.

"The carpets and floors are damp because of the water leaking in. We don't know when it will be fixed again."

A city council spokesman said: "The theft of this material is costly and extremely frustrating."

Sergeant Phil Smart, from St Leonard's police station, said: "We're investigating a large increase in the number of metal thefts recently."





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1

Edinburghs Finest,

03/07/2008 12:21:41
I bet they didnt see that coming.
2

alex paterson,

edinburgh 03/07/2008 12:21:51
Several tonnes of lead the last time was stolen,tonnes,is there a road for lorries to get up if there is stop it,no lorry not to much lead missing.
3

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 12:38:51
#1

As a memeber of the Astronomical Society of Edinburgh, I can assure you that we are not astrologers (i.e not charlatans), hence we would not claim/be able to see anything coming.

#2 Good point about the lorry and of course the huge weight of lead. Obviously these thieves must have had a vehicle to carry the loot on both occasions.

I had long been under the impression that the gates at the entry beside the old Royal High School were closed and locked after 9:00 p.m. Perhaps that practice has been dropped (probably to suit the tourists). If the main gate were to be locked, this would be a cheap and reliable way to deter any future raids.

4

Dan.D.Nong,

03/07/2008 12:43:17
Don't put lead or copper on the roof.
There are many alternative methods of sealing out the weather.
Remove the temptation; problem solved.
5

axle potarsen,

edinboro 03/07/2008 12:47:16
lead was stolen several tonnes the last time.there is a road for lorries up to get stop it if there is. not no lorry to missing much lead..
6

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 12:47:42
#4 Dan,

Fair point, but as this is an 'A' listed building, can't you just hear the various 'Heritage' groups, etc. screaming in rage?

Probably locking the gates at the bottom of the hill is all that is really required. These gates control access to the only proper road leading to/from the City Observatory.
7

gorgeousgorgieboy,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 12:48:54
Police havent got a scrap of evidence.
8

I love to eat Sellotape,

03/07/2008 12:53:48
Cover the roof with lead that has the Superbug virus on it.
9

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 12:53:49
#7

"Police havent got a scrap of evidence"

Could that be because they're all 'Coppers'?



10

Dan.D.Nong,

03/07/2008 13:06:30
#6. True.
Where are the bu**ers now that they are putting up that monstrosity of a building in Haymarket.
What's up with these designers and their use of colours? Look at that building down by ocean terminal; it looks sad and worn out. This flashy piece of cr*p in hm will look the same in a very few years.
Heritage groups should concentrate on what's important, not a roof that may be rubber black instead of lead grey.
11

Edinburghs Finest,

03/07/2008 13:15:53
#3 peter I meant with the big F*ck off telescope you have!!!!
12

Buttress,

03/07/2008 13:29:44
Well Peter - I know you have it in for heritage groups - but without them many places like this would have vanished long ago. So think about that next time you whinge. Maybe just demolish it altogether? No problem then. Rebuild it in glass fibre facsimile - easier to maintain?

And by the way - go and have a look at the Canongate School, then see what it's built from. Not red brick at all, as you stated in a previous rant. Stone. Two colours. Very fine craftsmanship. So I think if you can't tell the difference maybe you shouldn't whine about those who can.

Where were all the heritage groups Dan? Objecting strongly. Edinburgh World Heritage and the Cockburn Association turned up at the meeting and objected too. I am sure if you give both groups a ring they will expand on why they objected. But it's the councillors on the planning committee who have the vote. Blame them. But now people like Peter will tell you how heritage groups are holding the city from moving on... no, just trying to prevent the city from being spoiled by inappropriate and unsympathetic developments.
13

Buttress,

03/07/2008 13:50:36
'Hotel passes on penalties in shoot-out


IT was standing room only as councillors cast their votes on what is certain to be the most talked-about building in Edinburgh for decades.
Opinion was truly polarised as the planning committee meeting debated the 17-storey five-star hotel.

Twice it was described as "alien", only to be labelled "world-class" moments later.

A verbal football match ensued, each side trying to keep mic possession for as long as possible. Indeed, as

councillors began their own debate and each in turn revealed their position, it was just like a penalty shoot-out.

Local councillors Joanna Mowat and Charles Dundas gave the developers an early fright, before the support from Maureen Child and Elaine Morris levelled the score.

Lib Dem Gary Peacock's calls for refusal were countered by Lesley Hinds, only for Colin Keir to put the "no" camp back in the lead.

But it all became clear when Cameron Rose, Rob Munn and Eric Milligan threw their support behind the scheme, to be joined by convener Jim Lowrie who called the final vote. Result: ten-five.'


14

Buttress,

03/07/2008 13:52:28
Hyamarket:

The five councillors who opposed the development were the Lib Dem's Charles Dundas, Tory Joanna Mowat, Green councillor Steve Burgess, the SNP's Colin Keir and Lib Dem Gary Peacock.

Councillors Lowrie, Hinds, Child, Alastair Paisley, Stuart Roy McIvor, Eric Milligan, Elaine Morris, Rob Munn, Cameron Rose and Marjorie Thomas all voted in favour.
15

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 14:11:57
12 - #14 Buttress

Butty, why not try sticking to the matter of the article?

You are quite obviously totally obsessive and have a PhD in whinging. I wonder if you have got anything else to do with your life?

Re the Canongate School, personally I don't care if it's built in Ivory, it's damned ugly and I (for one) shall welcome its demise.

As for you and your fellow 'Heritage Harpies', I hope that the Town Planners ignore the lot of you.

Goodbye.



16

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 14:17:28
#11 Edinburgh's Finest

You've never seen my telescope!!

#4 & #10 Dan

Yes, there are other materials from which domes, roofing, etc can be constructed.

At this time there are a number of companies who produce excellent fibreglass domes which could (I suppose) be painted green to look like weathered copper - that should be OK with Town Planning, etc.

Maybe we should suggest that at a future Council meeting.
17

Buttress,

03/07/2008 14:18:10
Well Peter, 15, it's a fine building according to many with a PhD in these sort of things. That's why it's listed.

However, no use whinging about stuff if you can't even get the basics right, is there? Thought you lived near the Canongate School. Maybe need a trip.

This is the person who thinks Edinburgh shouldn't be a World Heritage Site either.

So maybe bulldoze the lot, all these old buildings, who cares about an observatory? Much cheaper if it went, don't you think? No lead to worry about.







18

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 14:21:33
#17 Butty

" No lead to worry about."

No Heritage groups to be worried about either (a big and attractive advantage).
19

I love to eat Sellotape,

03/07/2008 14:27:32
I have a very fine telescope.
20

Buttress,

03/07/2008 14:27:52
Maybe, Peewee but I got your measure a while ago. Enjoy trolling, do you? ;>)
21

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 14:29:55
#19 I love to eat Sellotape

Fine 'Sellotape', bring to the Observatry one night so we can all have a look.

As long as the place hasn't been flooded, of course!!
22

Buttress,

03/07/2008 14:30:07
19 Well, maybe - I expect Peewee's has not a lot of lead in it.
23

Buttress,

03/07/2008 14:34:18
Do you hang about a lot on Calton Hill then, Peewee?


24

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 14:34:30
#20 Butty

"Enjoy trolling, do you?"

Not nearly as much as I enjoy watching derelict buildings being levelled.

25

Buttress,

03/07/2008 14:36:01
24 Yes, I can imagine that losing an erection is something you know a lot about.
26

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 14:36:45
#22 & #23 Butty

The old ones are definitely the best, but you're scrapping the bottom of the 'butt' now.

27

Buttress,

03/07/2008 14:38:27
Well, I suppose you know how low to go.

I presume you are used to it.
28

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 14:40:22
#27

You must be 'Buttyful' (not to mention bitter) individual.
29

Buttress,

03/07/2008 14:42:36
At least I'm not pretending to be something and someone I'm not, Peewee... :>)



30

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 15:05:30
#29 Butty,

Please expand your fantasies? I'm quite fascinated by your last 'observation'.




31

Buttress,

03/07/2008 15:10:07
Really? I thought maybe you were a spot through a galss darkly, now I know.

32

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 15:22:12
#31 Buttress

Well done Butty, you may safely observe the Sun through properly darkened glass, but do be careful, we wouldn't want either your normal eyesight, nor you deep insight to be harmed.
33

Buttress,

03/07/2008 15:23:48
True. Are you by any chance related to Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells?

34

20something,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 15:30:48
Hahahaha this is great! Put that Buttress in his place. Hopefully someeone can shut him up once and for all!

I want a skyscraper on the Royal Mile. Lets demolish the castle and build it there. Woo!
35

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

03/07/2008 15:44:53
Damn i missed todays funny story.

Peter, have you ever taken a trip to La Palma ?

You should, its very nice.
36

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 15:47:10
#33 Buttress

Sorry Butty, I'm not, but the thought had occured to me that you might be related to Disgusted of HayMarket?

#34 20something

Don't knock it, imagine what Bill Gates might do if he decides to use the old GPO as his MS HQ for the UK. He might want to buy the Castle and/or Holyrood Palace for shipment back to the States.

By the way there are already skyscrapers on the Royal Mile, it is reputed that they originated here - Gladstone's Land is one and the building currently used as the City Chambers is another (it is supposed to be the one copied by architects from the US some time ago).

37

20something,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 15:49:09
I want it made all of glass and at least 20 stories high.
38

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 15:49:17
#35 Mario,

Where have you been today.

If I go to La Palma will you pay my expenses?

Keep your powder dry!!
39

Buttress,

03/07/2008 15:51:40
34 - 20 Something - can't you tell the boys from the girls? Sure sounds like it.

Ask Peter. He'll take you up on Calton Hill in the dusk and show you his telescope. No doubt you'll enjoy playing with it. Indeed, maybe you can show him yours and play with that, too.

Sadly, probably not a grower.
40

Buttress,

03/07/2008 15:53:23
38 Powder dry? Gawd, don't you think you were 'all' outed long ago?

41

20something,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 15:54:58
Buttress you crack me up today. Priceless, you are really on form mate. I mean, you're usually great for a laugh but today is special pal. Oh man, my sides are splitting.
42

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

03/07/2008 15:56:32
Take a cheap flight to TFS peter, then get a ferry for the rest. It will cost you about the same as a weekend at Seton Sands.

Buttress, frankly I am appalled at your dirty disgusting talk. Are there no erections for you to get hot and bothered about anymore ?
43

I love to eat Sellotape,

03/07/2008 15:58:24
There's an article elsewhere today titled "Get firm with Pole Dancing". I'm not joking.
44

Buttress,

03/07/2008 16:02:07
42 - Well, M, I don't know what you mean, me being an innocent girlie and all.

Sure. Plenty of erections. Tron Kirk, closed up and At Risk. The cooncil is maybe about to put it up for grabs, so all those who think a multistorey glass tower should be on the Royal Mile could consider that's the ideal spot. It's only an old thing after all, and the city needs to move on.

Just LOOK at that spire - wooohooo. Bet Peter is like, totally, totally envious.

Excuse me while I open the window...








45

Buttress,

03/07/2008 16:04:04
20 Something - crack? Ask Peter, when you're on Calton Hill. He knows all about dark pasages.
46

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 16:04:48
#39 & #40 Butty

"Ask Peter. He'll take you up on Calton Hill in the dusk and show you his telescope."

Butty, I am quite happy as would all members of the society, to show the public our telescopes even in daylight when we use them to project Solar images (flares, prominences, sunspots - all very spectacular and interesting).

We might even 'project' you as it looks like you are about to become a Super Nova. I now ask myself do we really want that to happen as you might turn into a 'black hole' and could easily proceed to swallow up all sorts of heritage groups in and around Edinburgh.

re 'Powder dry' - you're the heritage 'expert' have you never heard of the use of gunpowder for muskets and mussle-loaders?

47

20something,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 16:05:37
An old kirk with a glass spire. In all seriousness, that is a grand idea. How cool would that be? Build a glass tower in place of the spire and have a glass elevator inside for panoramic views of the city.

Genuine brilliant idea Buttress.
48

Buttress,

03/07/2008 16:06:00
Or even passages. It's the excitement, thinking about Tron Kirk. The perspiration is dripping from my brow. Can't see the keyboard. Conservation is soooo sexy.

49

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 16:07:03
#44 Butty

"Excuse me while I open the window..."

God butty you're not going to jump.....
50

20something,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 16:08:26
You're just weird. Clear off, idiot.
51

Buttress,

03/07/2008 16:09:59
46 Peter dahling - no doubt you know all about black holes.



52

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

03/07/2008 16:13:05
today I am reading "lost edinburgh" by Hamish Coghill . Its a good one Buttress I think you would like it. My copy veen has dirty pictures (i spilt Jam on it).
53

Buttress,

03/07/2008 16:15:22
49 No dear, not about to jump. Just some air. Have to save myself for standing in front of the bulldozers re Caltongate.

Which is actually p*ss*ing off a lot of local people who have worked so hard to try to retain the heritage of their area and have something good put in the place of the bus garage. Next time you want to be silly, think about the real people who read your tripe and feel hurt.

www.ew8.org.uk

You can contact them from there. And apologise.

No, I don't live there. Nor do you. But I know those who do and they don't play with their won telescopes on Calton Hill or anywhere else.

54

Buttress,

03/07/2008 16:16:39
52 - I know it well. Also the one by Gavin Stamp. The Rape of Embra continues, will they never learn?

55

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

03/07/2008 16:19:02
What gavin stamp one ? Britians lost cities ?
56

Buttress,

03/07/2008 16:22:00
Yup. Good one. Sad.
57

20something,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 16:24:22
53 Not everyone living in the area feels the same as you guys. We're just not making a noise about the whole thing. Just because you make more of a fuss about things does not make your opinion more valid and certainly does not mean you are the majority. Perhaps you should realise that now is time to stop being so high and mighty because you do not speak for the masses and never will.
58

I love to eat Sellotape,

03/07/2008 16:27:52
I disagree. I think people who make more of a fuss about things should have a greater voice than people who don't. If they don't like it, they should get an amplifier.
59

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 16:29:54
#51 Butty

Black Holes in brief:

When a large star has burnt all its fuel it explodes into a supernova. What is left collapses down to an extremely dense object known as a neutron star.

If the neutron star is too large, the gravitational forces overwhelm the nuclear pressure gradients and collapse cannot be halted. The neutron star continues to shrink until it finally becomes a black hole from which not even light can escape. Not much else is known at this time.

Does that answer your question?

Butty, you are quite wrong, I live within 200 yards of Caltongate and have done so for the last 8 years (I actually live in a listed building which I know you will find ironic possibly even offensive - like some your comment to the contrary).

By the way, I did feel sorry for my neighbours in Buchanan Court when they were presented with a students hall of residence immediately across the road freom them, but now that this has been completed and partly occupied, everyone is happy (well reasonably).

#52 Mario,

Are you sure it's jam?





60

Buttress,

03/07/2008 16:31:00
57 - play with your telescope. You live in one of the world's most beautiful cities. Start to appreciate it.
61

Buttress,

03/07/2008 16:32:04
Well Peter - I only hope the traffic keeps you awake nights.
62

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

03/07/2008 16:32:31
60 I will give that book a try thanks.

This is where I live

http://www.picturesofholland.nl/Delftmainpage.htm

You May Weep.
63

Buttress,

03/07/2008 16:37:48
Or maybe feel spot flat?

Is that the country with the story of the boy with the finger... no maybe we won't go there.

64

20something,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 16:37:54
60 - Who said I didn't appreciate it? Different, new and ugly are not the same thing. If it was up to you the city would be full of derelict old buildings worth nothing to anyone. Edinburgh is full of potential and YOU are strangling it. It's a city NOT a museum.
65

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 16:38:47
#61 Butty

No problem Butty, I'm on a second floor and have secondary glazing.

Hope they build the new Hotel at Haymarket though and that lots of other exciting new-builds are 'erected' in Edinburgh.

By the way, would you be opposed to a fibreglass dome replacing any damaged ones on Calton Hill?

66

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 16:45:56
#64 20 something

Absolutely spot on. This guy (Butty) seems to imagine we all want to flatten every old building in sight (not the case of course). This is a town, not a museum.

Cheers,

Peter
67

Buttress,

03/07/2008 16:49:36
20 Something - what are you on about? Go on - explain. In depth.

The Haymarket is not exactly exciting, or world class. Murphy isn't world class, the city could have some world class contemporary architecture, which would fit with sympathy with the old, but the cooncil wouldn't know what it was if it bit them. Developers are laughing all the way to their offshore tax havens at the naivety.

Murphy. Ye gods. Not exactly Gehry, is he?

Re the dome - call Historic Scotland. Ask for its views. I don't have any say in the matter. I'm just Joe Public.

68

Buttress,

03/07/2008 16:51:42
Petie dahling - has it not by by now occurred to you - I'm not a guy?

And of course it isn't a museum, but it also needs to move on with some sympathy with its past, not driven by developers out to make a fast buck.



69

I love to eat Sellotape,

03/07/2008 16:53:27
This is where I live.

http://www.naturenet.net/blogs/media/blogs/eating/hole1.jpg
70

Buttress,

03/07/2008 16:54:33
I'm not going there. I may be lead astray.
71

20something,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 16:58:45
67 - Wow, you don't like being backed into a corner do you? You are 'just joe Public', I'm glad you finally realise.

You will complain about everything because you have picked your side and shouted about it a bit and now you're too proud to back down. I hope you can be man enough to come clean someday and admit that you're just too stubborn to put your hands up and say you're wrong.
72

Buttress,

03/07/2008 17:08:58
20 something - what on earth are you on about?

Try to explain.


I'm not 'wrong' - or in any corner - simply know a great deal about conservation, which clearly you don't. New build in historic cities is fine, as long as it doesn't detroy the old, and is in some sort of sympathy with it.

Hell, it's even international policy for WHS. Myabe you have heard of UNESCO?





And - I'M NOT A GUY.
73

20something,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 17:17:16
No worries mate. Whatever you say.

How can anyone who reads here not have heard of UNESCO? You never shut up about it. Please go away and leave Edinburgh to develop as it must.
74

Buttress,

03/07/2008 17:19:00
Nah - I worry that folk like you and Allan Murray may be responsible for its future.

That's not a nice thought.

75

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

03/07/2008 18:36:57
When I am King you will all be forced into drudgery.
76

Buttress,

03/07/2008 18:46:30
We are only here to serve you, oh master.
77

Friar Tuck,

03/07/2008 20:57:36
There can't be too many scrap yards where the thieves can fence the stolen property. Why don't the police just station an officer at each scrap yard and make it illegal for the scrapyards to deal with anyone who fails to identify themselves and who cannot account for where they got the scrap? All it needs is a simple change to the bylaws governing scrapyards.
78

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh (Somewhere very close to Calton Hill) 04/07/2008 10:20:15
Returning to the actual subject matter of the article and trying (possibly without success) to avoid yesterday's 'trench warfare' I can now confirm that the iron gate which very probably would have prevented both of these thefts is no longer there. I refer to the entry/gate situated beside the old Royal High School, this is the only road on Calton Hill which will allow vehicle access.

At some time in the past it was decided to close this road at nights (following the dumping of stolen cars if I remember correctly) and we (the ASE) were given a key so that our members could drive out after 9:00 p.m. which did make life a little awkward, but protected both the Hill and its buildings.

At what point the gate was removed (you can see the mountings still) I do not know, but perhaps it was one of the first items stolen by the crooks.

#72 Buttress

Yes Butty, we have all heard of UNESCO and as I commented before, it is a sub-agency of the UN and yet another useless paper-tiger (sadly like its parent orgaanisation).

I accept that "YOU'RE NOT A GUY" - perhaps that explains your interest in large telescopes?



79

Buttress,

04/07/2008 12:21:28
I have no real interest in telescopes, large or small - astronomy and astronomers I find quite dull.

I think UNESCO is an organisation with some clout, when it chooses to use it, but it works quietly and with some diplomacy as far as possible, to try to resolve situations.
80

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 04/07/2008 12:37:18
#80

"Astronomy and astronomers I find quite dull."

Just like most of the rest us find heritage groups to be.

81

Buttress,

04/07/2008 13:29:34
'Mots of the rest of us' - you? You and your cat? You and your mum? You and the whole of Scotland? The UK? Yooorup? The world? The universe? You've asked them all? Wow. Impressive if you have.

You got close contact with any heritage group, or would knowledge prejudice your opinions?

82

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04/07/2008 14:06:36
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Buttress,

04/07/2008 16:04:03
'Consipated' Peewee? What's that?

 

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