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Published Date: 30 March 2009
RESIDENTS plagued by party revellers have launched a petition pleading for a crackdown on flats let out for stag and hen weekends.
They say their lives are being made a misery by the noisy, drunken behaviour of large groups who party through the night and urinate in the stairs.

And they want the landlords who rake in up to £600 a night from the party flats to be brought under
strict controls.

The petition submitted to the Scottish Parliament calls for landlords who offer short-term lets to be registered and subjected to the same noise, safety and environmental standards as houses in multiple occupation (HMOs), such as student flats.

Retired college lecturer Stan Player, 78, said two flats in Grove Street, where he has lived for the past 42 years, are regularly let out for stag and hen weekends.

He said: "Every weekend we live in fear. Groups of 12-16 turn up at these two flats on either side of the street. You see them taking in crates of beer. They are completely unsupervised. They just go in and do what they like.

"We have noise when they arrive, noise when they go out and sometimes until 3 or 4am. When they come back in the middle of the night they can't get in, so they bang on the door and shout.

"I never approach them. If I started saying something, they're liable to floor me."

Mr Player said he had decided to take a petition to parliament after the situation became "intolerable". He said: "If an HMO comes up, we can complain about it and they can lose their licence, but these landlords can do anything they like and we have no say."

Another neighbour in Grove Street, who asked not to be named, said one of the flats in the street was let out to stag and hen parties for about £600 a night. He said: "For the last three years, every Friday and Saturday it is stuffed with 14 or 16 people who urinate in the stairwell and cause a disturbance. They have been sold the deal as a stag or hen party and they are out to have fun.

"And because it's not an official HMO or a B&B, it falls between two stools and the landlord is not subject to any legislation. He is essentially above the law.

"We want the law changed so these people are subject to the law as everyone else is."

Edinburgh Central Labour MSP Sarah Boyack, who is backing the petition, said party flats caused a great deal of distress to local communities and also damaged Edinburgh's reputation as a leading tourist destination.

She said: "Companies are taking advantage of loopholes in the HMO legislation to offer short-term lets to revellers without any respect for the health and safety of clients or the local community.

"There is currently no way of ensuring that landlords offering these lets take responsibility for their tenants."

The Scottish Government said councils could take action against antisocial behaviour caused by stag and hen parties under noise nuisance powers.





The full article contains 525 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 30 March 2009 10:28 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Stan Butler,

30/03/2009 10:50:50

Why don't the neighbours contact one of the many site security companies who for a modest fee will ensure that the nuisance neighbours are dealt with appropriately?
2

Grumpy,

30/03/2009 12:14:36
The simple answer - bring them into line with HMO regulations and serve the landlords with asbos.
3

elayne,

30/03/2009 12:15:42
rent out old warehouses away from peoples homes,then they can party,pee,be sick and not bother anyone
4

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 30/03/2009 12:21:00
This type of 'let' should be totally banned.

There are far too many unscrupulous and irresposible landlords in Edinburgh, we've only just got rid of family from hell and have the misfortune to have a house owner/landlord who seems to sepecialise in renting to undesirables.

I don't want to see stag/hen nights stopped completely, but surely these groups should be housed in hostels or establishments specifically providfing for the more rowdy market.
5

alfonsa pedrosa,

embra 30/03/2009 12:27:57
Its not before time something was done about these party animals.
6

JFW,

Edinburgh 30/03/2009 12:38:35
Anyone renting a property should be subject to licence, it is ridiculous that anyone can rent a property to a large group without any consideration about fire or other health and safey issues, especially in the city centre where a discarded cigarette can result in dozens of flats going up in flames in a short space of time.
But even if these are licenced then we also need more reasonable action from the council on noise, etc. At the moment they are pretty useless and will only attempt deal with the worst extremes, leaving a lot of people to suffer pretty constant anti-social behaviour that just isn't quite bad enough in the council's eyes to have anything done about it. If a HMO has 3 or 4 parties a year or leaves rubbish/p1sses/pukes in the stair every so often then nothing will be done about it. Many people will say that's not such a big deal but how about when you have half a dozen HMO's beside you? Then that sort of behaviour, from even just half of them, becomes a major problem. The council tells you to keep a diary with flat no's and incidents so they can take it into account when it comes to HMO licence renewal but when it comes to it you then find yourself in one of two situations - the licence is renewed without the legal notifications to other residents so you don't actually know that the renewal hearing is taking place (and any late complaints are ignored) or, as happened with a friend of mine, the diary of issues is completely ignored as the council the says that they can't trust you to tie a particular problem to a particular flat. Granted they will help deal with the neighbours from hell, but nothing else.
7

AlanG,

Edinburgh 30/03/2009 12:50:15
I have operated a number of 5 star apartments mixed within residential properties for over 10 years in the city and the problem definitely is how they are run. The neighbours all know who I am and how to contact me and in 10 years I have never had a complaint.
These properties are commercially bought and insured and registered with the Tourist Authorities, the problem in our city is pure greed on behalf of landlords. We refuse any number over the maximum and will reject anyone who attempts to smuggle extra people in. Parties are banned.
Landlords buy big flats and advertise them purely to large groups (I saw one saying it slept up to 22). They don't register with the tourist board, Heavens knows what the insurance is like and the standards inside are ideal for the type of people they cater for - cheap furniture and even cheaper standards of cleanliness.
I run a residents association trying to keep communal areas where I stay clean and well maintained. Everyone pays up except - guess what - the rental landlords. They don't even want the area around their flats looked after. All rental landlords should be registered by law, but many are not, and when you complain to the council as I have, they just say there's not much they can do!
All house owners should be responsible for the maintainance of their property or properties and the communal areas around them and all landlords should be easily identifable and contactable. Failure to do so should result in a hefty fine and a ban on letting the property until they do register.
8

Mallory,

Edinburgh 30/03/2009 12:55:30
Sympathising with Mr Player re the stag and hen parties - the trouble with the Morrison Street end of Grove Street is that the Georgian properties there have more rooms than the other tenements in the area.

Unfortunately Mr Player and his neighbours are unlikely to get much peace with the Marcos and Fountain North aka Springside) student developments.



How about the 'News publicising the names and addresses of the owners.

Time that we all knew who they are and from where these landlords operate...
9

Leila,

Edinburgh 30/03/2009 14:26:57
It's all very well asking for protection from the behaviour of stag and hen parties, but why do people behave like this? They can't help noticing that other people live on the stair, and presumably they were all toilet trained as children and should know to use a bathroom rather than a wall or the floor, so there's no excuse for behaving like animals.
10

srs,

edinburgh 30/03/2009 14:57:32
These types of premises ARE covered by some legislation (the Fire (Scotland) Act 2005) and generally they require to be fitted with a full fire alarm system and fire doors. There is a legal requirement for the landlord to carry out the fire safety risk assessment process and for the findings to be recorded. It is the local fire and rescue service that enforces the fire safety aspects within these premises and if anybody has any doubts re-the fire safety, they should contact the service HQ.
11

Brian Ferrari,

30/03/2009 14:57:49
I'd check with the Council to see if they can serve a notice on the owners calling on them to desist.

If these properties are classed as residential, then using them for stag/hen weekends would breach that permitted use.

Remember the flat in Royal Circus hired out for parties?
12

El Franko,

30/03/2009 17:44:38
What a headline. I thought the piece was going to be about more parliamentary benefits cheats. Maybe it is. The poor souls have got to do something with the properties we help them buy for themselves.
13

grantcat,

Old Town 30/03/2009 23:20:52
Its not just noise that is a problem, its about having constant people you don't know in your stair, it can be really intimidating having a large group of strange men in your stair, coming up behind you from coming back from the pub even if they are polite. My biggest issue with having holiday flats in my stair is the door getting kicked in, last happened when the rugby was on, the door being left open and drug users coming in and drunks peeing, cigarette buts being flung out the windows etc. The police have Operation Auction about tenement safety but you can't really do what they say if you have holiday flats in your tenement.

I also have issues that many of the holiday flats are ex-council houses bought with the RTB, so family homes have been lost to become businesses with no benefit to the community.
14

edinburghlives,

haymarket 31/03/2009 11:11:24
Thank goodness someone is trying to do something about this. I live near two party flats and I dread the weekends. It's very hard to get anything done because if contact the noise team or the police even if they can come and do something about that particular group, of course the landlord is not on site at the time, and anyway he/she will say that this group is unusual, that groups are usually quiet, etc etc. And along comes another noisy group. These flats should not be allowed in residential areas: their purpose is to provide freedom for people who don't live in the city to come up and have a wild time, make a fat profit for a landlord who lives well away from the flat themselves and then leave Edinburgh to clear up the mess/recover from the sleepless nights/pay the bill for police and noise teams. If the council can't stop this kind of thing what exactly is it for?

 

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