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Published Date: 13 June 2009
THEIR antisocial behaviour and reputation as litter louts have made them among the most notorious of city residents.
But after years of defying measures to clip their wings, Edinburgh's seagulls look to have finally met their match – canvas bin bags.

Council chiefs are set to trial the reusable bags as a way of putting an end to the nighttime raids which regularly leave the Capital's streets strewn with rubbish.

The New Town, where fixed on-street bins are banned, will be the first area of the city to introduce the sacks.

A similar scheme is already in operation in Totnes, Devon, where local residents can buy the bags for £4.50.

Councillor David Beckett, who represents the city centre, said: "There's a real problem with domestic waste management in the New Town. People put their bin bags out at nighttime, and in the morning they wake up to find rubbish strewn across the street because the foxes and seagulls have been tearing into it.

"It's a particular problem in Great King Street and Dundas Street, and other areas that don't have space for the large bins that you see in other parts of the city.

"The idea came from Devon, where they have a thick, seagull-proof bin bag. Everyone in the town has been given one, and it's able to hold two regular bin bags, which are placed inside the thick, reusable bag. It's a fairly simple idea which means it doesn't cost the council a lot of money."

Last year, the Scottish Government announced plans to destroy seagulls' nests in an initiative to get "tough on seagulls and tough on the causes of seagulls".

However, despite complaints about growing numbers of rats and seagulls, there were protests when the council attempted to introduce wheelie bins in the New Town five years ago.

Councillor Robert Aldridge, the city's environment leader, said: "The council has a responsibility to ensure that our waste collection arrangements are suitable for whichever residential area.

"Ideally this involves the use of rigid containers to prevent the scattering of waste by vermin and other animals.

"However, as it lies within the World Heritage Site, the New Town has particular heritage issues which make the use of such containers difficult in some locations."

He said plans for a trial of the bags was one part of a review of arrangements currently being carried out within the World Heritage Site.

The council said it had also introduced nighttime bin collections in areas affected by the tram works, which was helping to tackle the problem.

John Knight, a member of New Town and Broughton Community Council, said leaflets put out by his organisation reminding residents to wash out food containers and tin cans had helped reduce the number of foraging seagulls.


Your Say: Could canvas bags solve the problem?

Paula Calder, 52, council worker, Drummond Street "It's certainly a better idea, but it doesn't make up for the real problem, which is not enough bins and too few collections."

Gordon Allan, 40, estate agent, Dalkeith Road "Presumably it's been tested and proven to be vermin-proof so it will probably cut down on the problem, but it won't eradicate it because there are people who will discard their rubbish regardless."

Liz Barron, 51, sales assistant, Bingham Crossway "As long as the council don't make the residents pay for it then it sounds like it could work."

The full article contains 579 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 13 June 2009 11:27 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Litter
 
1

alfonsa pedrosa,

embra 13/06/2009 12:02:04
Oh yes we must keep the New Town clean and to heck with the rest,and the binmen will really look after them,Aye.
2

Sqidward,

13/06/2009 12:21:20
Perfect for keeping tatties in too!
3

Gerard MacBoingBoing,

13/06/2009 12:34:21
They should shoot the f***ers
4

Native Guide,

USA 13/06/2009 12:58:33
Clever folks might consider using actual bins with lids which we call trash cans.
5

Plodjfriss, Hammer of the Numpties,

Edinburgh 13/06/2009 13:16:53
Weren't the council planning to introduce giant bins, but they had to back down in in the face of protests from the local residents on the grounds that they would spoil the look of the streets (although cars parked end-to-end everywhere seems to be OK)?
6

Jamesbuchanan66,

13/06/2009 13:43:40
It might be a good idea to have collections 1200 till 1800 in that area so that people dont have to put the bins out the night before
7

Jingsitsme,

EDINBURGH 13/06/2009 15:01:47
Just because it is the new town should not allow them to avoid bins like the rest of us do.

Bin emptying and picking up bags in New Town should be done during the night in off peak and keep the roads free.

if the residents don't like it they can move!

8

LeithKeith ,

edinburgh 13/06/2009 16:56:35
Why dont the cooncil park RollsRoyce adapted street bins and drive them to the tip every couple of days to be emptied. Problem solved. A cooncil life for me.
9

Glenda,

blah 13/06/2009 17:21:12
When we used to have individual bins, the bin men would empty them and just to$$ them anywhere - half way up the street from where you lived.

What exactly will they do with the sacks once they're emptied?

Can't wait to see heaps of filthy sodden bags left in heaps on street corners in our rainy city.

....and the poor residents who have to retrieve a stinking bag from the gutter and store it in their home each week.....
10

Douglas,

Bathgate 13/06/2009 17:32:14
Glenda #9: "and the poor residents who have to retrieve a stinking bag from the gutter and store it in their home each week"

Is there some confusion between the current administration's refuse collection and homeless persons policies?
11

Jingsitsme,

EDINBURGH 13/06/2009 20:06:46
#9 well they can ask for bins and use them same as rest of Edinburgh!

they can't have it both ways!
12

iazinsascot,

kettering 13/06/2009 20:41:26
might be the solution for lazy sods who can't be bothered to take their bins in, and leave them littering the streets
13

elayne,

13/06/2009 21:15:46
hardly think canvas bags will work somehow,,these b*ggers can peck through anything
14

Dunaskin,

Edinburgh 13/06/2009 21:54:14
Plodjfriss is right (and David Beckett is, unsurprisingly, wrong). The standard-issue big wheelie bins are a no-no in the New Town, on the grounds that it is a world heritage site, etc, even though the same bins are all over the Old Town. Utter mince, and every year we have the same problem with black bags and seagulls, foxes, human scavengers, etc. Aesthetics? - no. Range Rovers are allowed to blot the streetscape, but not bins. Maybe the CEC should impose a rubbish tax on the New Town folk to make them realise the error of their ways. And before you start - I live there.
15

Buttress,

14/06/2009 09:26:23
This has NOTHING AT ALL to do with UNESCO World Heritage Site status. It's about domestic waste management and unsightly litter, also the attractiveness of the way Edinburgh is presented as both a place to live and a tourist destination, but cannot be said to harm the OUV, integrity and authenticity of the WHS!

UNESCO will not be descending to inspect the bin bags!

Amazing. Listed buildings can be demolished and unsightly Allan Murray buildings can litter the place, a 17 story tower can ruin the skyline and CEC thinks all that is acceptable, but then uses World Heritage Site status for something as relatively trivial (although I agree it's a situation in need of resolution) as this.
16

reader,

Edinburgh 14/06/2009 09:48:17
#14 that's right, so the solution would be to have Range-Rover shaped bins. They could then be even bigger than the previous 'giant bins'.
17

Duncan in Edinburgh,

14/06/2009 12:07:54
#15 Robert Aldridge is an idiot for linking this to the WHS status. Everyone knows that the reason certain streets in the New Town and other areas don't want communal bins is that they reduce the number of parking spaces. Excuses about unsightliness are tissue thin. I remember some Comely Bank association complaining that containers would be out of keeping with their Georgian frontages - yet apparently cars in exactly the same spots were thoroughly Georgian... ridiculous.

Of course, it's also ridiculous to use the WHS argument in areas outside the WHS - like where people want to build a 17-storey tower, for example.
18

Voldemort,

edinburgh 14/06/2009 13:51:25
Why do I smell Europe and a Labour MP's wife on the board of a canvas binbag company ??

Isn't it about time Edinburgh had a Pigeon and Seagull cull ?
19

Pilrig,

Livingston 14/06/2009 15:55:31
18 no.

Put wheely-bins in the New Toon and the problem's solved.
But then the opinions of the New Toon residents are more important than the rest of the Embra populace. Always have been, always will be.
20

Jingsitsme,

EDINBURGH 14/06/2009 18:29:33
#14 - agree with you.

If they don't want bags which are costly I don't know why the council don't just make the decision to put bins at intervals on the road instead of a couple of parking bays.

Health and Safety is of the utmost and the town centre is not just for those who live there.

all this world heritage and new town are just an excuse. Go to any heritage site and you will always see bins for rubbish!!
21

Dan.D.Nong,

14/06/2009 20:05:39
how can they tell it's the gulls? the f'n place is a midden anyway. could be your average embra resident that appear to have no respect for their own toon
22

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 14/06/2009 22:05:37
19 - Why not? Getting rid of a few hundred thousand flying rats that pollute the city and sh@t everywhere won't do any harm.
23

Buttress,

15/06/2009 00:10:18
Of course the 17 storey tower would affect the skyline. That's rather more permanent than rubbish bags.

There should be a buffer zone. But then Duncan really knows that.
24

Duncan in Edinburgh,

15/06/2009 09:05:36
#23 I've never denied it would affect the skyline dear lady! Of course it would.

My view is that this would be a positive effect, yours that it would be a negative one.
25

S Wilson,

15/06/2009 09:40:13
#21
I can tell it's the gulls when I have to dodge past them at around 7am every morning as they squabble over the contents of rubbish bags. I'm sure foxes and rats are tucking into them as well but have yet to see any. Large black bins are the simple solution. If people only put out their rubbish on the morning of the collections then there would less of a problem. Unfortunately the majority put their rubbish out the night before and the local vermin say thanks very much and multiply in numbers even more!
26

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15/06/2009 12:16:20
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27

sumo simpson,

08/08/2009 12:09:50
why dont the council put in underground bins the same as they have in the new houses that are down at granton all you see above ground is a receptical not much bigger than a litter bin. then the large side loading refuse lorry comes along and empties it. this system has worked for years on the continent

 

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