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Anger over tram power wires letters



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Published Date: 04 July 2008
TRANSPORT chiefs have come under fire in their bid to get homeowners' permission to fix overhead wires to buildings along the tram route.
Letters from TIE have been sent to hundreds of building owners along the airport to Newhaven line where the tram firm wants to attach overhead cables used to power the trams.

The notices only give owners 28 days to reply to TIE or their permissio
n is assumed.

If an owner refuses to allow a fixing on their building then TIE will instead install a pole for the wires on the street, though any refusal can be challenged in the courts.

Legal experts today hit out at the fact that the notices do not make reference to the fact that owners with mortgages need the permission of their lender to agree to a fixing or they will be in breach of their mortgage conditions.

Residents today demanded answers on who will cover the legal costs and any extra insurance premiums associated with agreeing to the fixings.

It is hoped that the majority of building owners will agree to the fixings to avoid the need for too many unsightly poles along the tram route.

Justin Bird, 30, returned to his Constitution Street home from a holiday early last month to discover a letter dated May 21 saying he had 28 days to respond in writing or it would be assumed he had given his consent to a fixing outside his 2nd-floor flat.

He said: "The sneaky thing is that the notice about the fixings was at the back of a newsletter and it could have been easily missed. The letter just doesn't make the legal consequences of the fixings very clear.

"You get the impression that TIE are trying to push this through quickly and if you haven't got the letter, or have been away then you are going to be out of pocket.

"I have written to them but have still to hear anything back.

"I want to know who covers the legal fees, any extra insurance liability and why they don't make it clear that I will technically be in breach of my mortgage conditions if I sign this."

Gregor Buick, an associate with Edinburgh law firm Murray Beith Murray WS, has several clients unhappy with the approach taken by TIE.

He said: "This is unfair in that the property owners are not being clearly informed of the legal implication of what they are being asked to sign up to.

"They are obliged to sign documents which will have an affect on their increased risk and cost of buildings insurance and no compensation or payment is being offered."

A TIE spokesman said: "All property owners whose properties have been identified in the final design of the tram as requiring a building fixing have received a Building Fixings Information Pack.

"We are currently dealing with any objections and we will communicate directly to these people or their nominated representative."

www.tramsforedinburgh.com




The full article contains 502 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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1

Amenemhat,

04/07/2008 12:39:26
More dirty tactics from TIE
2

alex paterson,

edinburgh 04/07/2008 12:43:41
Anger over tram power lines,anger over TRAMS.
3

Foo,

ejinbara 04/07/2008 12:49:47
These whingers should just shut up. The trams are coming, everyone wants them (95% support) and they'll add value to any business/house they are nearby.
4

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

04/07/2008 12:51:05
The support level has just hit 99.8% foo.
5

I love to eat Sellotape,

04/07/2008 12:53:05
"Tram Power Wires Letters" is another potential Trendy New Indie Band. Their lead guitarist could be called Frank.
6

Hibernia,

04/07/2008 12:56:44
#3 I would like to see you go out onto the streets and survey 100 people whether they want the trams or not and if you got 95% then I would be very surprised.
7

Foo,

ejinbara 04/07/2008 12:59:00
Excellent.

If I had my way the trams would be made of gold and anyone who was against them wouldn't be allowed to use them and would have to crawl everywhere they wanted to go, including England and Norway.
8

I love to eat Sellotape,

04/07/2008 13:02:37
"Golden Trams" is another good name. They could have a drummer called Sonja.
9

Wee Keef,

04/07/2008 13:03:12
#5 - The lead guitarist should be called Less-than-Frank
10

I love to eat Sellotape,

04/07/2008 13:09:11
That's ridiculous. Who would name their child "Less Than Frank"?
11

Epicuras,

04/07/2008 13:14:18
surely they're not actually going to continue with the tram going along constitution street - just look at all the congestion and rat runs the works have created - it'll kill any cahnce of regeneration of the docks area - is there anybody with a brain at TIE? it needs to be moved somehwere else - why not run it from the docks through leith links and up easter road - much better route
12

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04/07/2008 13:25:02
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13

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04/07/2008 13:32:22
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14

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

04/07/2008 13:48:36
It could be called tramball and we could claim to have invented it.

We could change the colour of the tram every year so stupid people from Leith would have to buy new "tramtops" every year for their kids at a cost of 140 pounds each with words "DRINK BEVVY" written accross them.

Of course Falkirk and Inverness would soon develop their own tramball teams and Hibs, sorry whatever the team was called would soon become a humdrum mid table team for hunders and hunders of years.
15

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

04/07/2008 13:49:43
Anyway I thought this said Anger over Tramp Power. But it doesnt and it's just todays tram whinge.
16

Hoof Hearted,

04/07/2008 13:50:47
#11. I expect that they'll move it now you've told them there's a better route for it.
17

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

04/07/2008 13:50:59
and compete in the Inter Teeny Totty Tram Cup.
18

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

04/07/2008 13:51:22
16

Excellent. Sarcasm is very hard to convey.
19

I love to eat Sellotape,

04/07/2008 14:12:36
The bass player of "Tram Whinge" should be called Doris.
20

jimmyharkins,

Warrington 04/07/2008 14:15:52
The standing of The Scotsman newspaper has taken a severe battering amongst the expat Scots living in the North of England (even those from Glasgow!)who have first hand experience of trams in the cities of the region and overseas.
The sad carpings about minutae coming out in print is a good reflection that democracy is working in Edinburgh and confirms the conviction that emtpy vessels make the most noise.
I would suggest that Messrs Andrew Pickens & Michael Blakeley get real and learn something about the big picture of this light rail scheme and shut up about negative trivia and stop debasing a grand newspaper that I grew up with and loved for forty years and more. I would be happy to show them the wide benefits that the tram will bring
21

Statsman,

Edinburgh 04/07/2008 14:16:33
More tram sleaze. TIE are degenerate lowlifes.
22

Statsman,

Edinburgh 04/07/2008 14:20:08
20 jimmyharkins

Warrington has trams? I think you've had too many knocks to the head playing Rugby League.
23

Douglas,

Bathgate 04/07/2008 14:45:45
I hope all 95% in favour of toy transport get the chance to show their support by having the stanchion of TIE displayed on the outside of their property.
24

Foo,

ejinbara 04/07/2008 14:54:59
#12 - Nice one, how long did it take you to think of that?

And I'm no mate of yours, unless you count people who intend to dance on your grave as a mate.
25

alex paterson,

edinburgh 04/07/2008 15:18:03
#13
Great idea,if it happens i would queue all night for a ticket at any price.
26

controls,

04/07/2008 15:23:34
#24 dont try and post like other people on here.

you dont come over funny like some.
27

Foo,

ejinbara 04/07/2008 15:52:26
#26 you do come over funny. Its just a shame its funny wierd.

I'll do and say whatever I feel thank you very much, don't need jumped up little Hitlers like you telling me what to do.

28

Foo,

ejinbara 04/07/2008 15:59:29
wierd = weird
29

controls,

04/07/2008 16:00:50
#27 Don't you wish there were a knob on the pc to turn up your intelligence- nope can't find one, only knob here is you!...
30

Foo,

ejinbara 04/07/2008 16:05:02
#29 - You're just a wee troll boy, now run along back to your masturbatorium.
31

Foo,

ejinbara 04/07/2008 16:21:05
And #29 you can stop replying to me with every little whine and moan “oh foo, you’re not as funny as Mario” . I know , it’s on purpose, to lull you into a false sense of security by making you think that I'm not perfect and that you stand a chance of busting my chops; little do you know that my bad ass pirate chops are un-bustable.
32

Douglas,

Bathgate 04/07/2008 16:26:11
#10 I love to eat Sellotape: Fra and Fran, also known as the Short-Monikers.
33

controls,

04/07/2008 17:01:12
31# This forum is laughing behind your back.
now jog on kiddo!
34

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

04/07/2008 17:06:11
I feel a bit smug here. I guess if i just keep posting rubbish all day some of its bound to be funny.

35

GraemeH,

Edinburgh 04/07/2008 17:41:11
This idea of "presumed consent" is highly unlikely to stand up in court given property law and the rights that people have over their own property. The European Covention on Human Rights guarantees the right to peaceful enjoyment of private property - this forced installation is contrary to that. If TIE was to go down the CPO route the legal bills and compensation payable would be massive. (but hey - its only the taxpayer who is paying)

As an aside, why would any sane person agree to their property having holes drilled in it and a 750 volt live wire bolted to it?

36

Foo,

04/07/2008 19:49:26
#33 - Badass pirates like me never get laughed at. It's micropenis pansies like you with massive inferiority complexes that get laughed at.
37

Andrew,

04/07/2008 21:07:16
WHEN (not if) trams return to Glasgow this'll be no problem, as most of the old wire attachment brackets are still there to be seen!! FACINATING!
38

Concerned Citizen,

Edinburgh 04/07/2008 21:25:57
TIE should be aproaching each owner and asking with out deadlines for permission.

Each and every owner is entitled charge for wayleave TIE a fee for attaching cable supports to their property as the bolts which hold the bracket intrude into their property despite the fact that the bracket may ,in some instances , overhang the pavement.
This charge should also take into account the potential increases in insurance as insurance companies may see a High Voltage cable bracket as a credible risk to the property. The idea of wayleave is not new as people charge BT for telephone poles in gardens and other utiliities for other aperatus installed on their property.

You may find this these sites useful
http://www.wayleave.co.uk/
http://www.utilityconnectionmate.co.uk/wayleave.html

That may help some of you.
39

Ian down under,

Kawerau 04/07/2008 21:36:01
Tram wires bad, diesel pollution good eh?
40

Ian down under,

Kawerau 04/07/2008 21:52:20
#35 Don't go on holiday to Malta. They string bare wires above the balconies of apartment blocks as part of the building supply.not a tram in sight.
Also the voltage isn't high enough to 'flashover' at the distance the insulation keeps them from the buildings. Go down to the Waverley and the wires there are 25 000 volts.....see how much clearance is needed for them in the Mound and Calton tunnels... not a lot, about 3 inches will do.
In the early 1960s BR did tests in tunnels in Crewe with the new electric wires and they attached brackets to the top of steam engines and ran through to see how close they could get without flashover.......it was 2 inches and that was with moist steam everywhere.
Next we'll be hearing about cellphone towers and airport control towers................
41

Conan the Librarian™,

04/07/2008 22:04:45
41
Interesting Ian.

Not much kite flying in Malta then?
42

Applecrumble,

Balerno 04/07/2008 23:07:09
ahem.. no comment

except the comment i just made...

By the way who is this 'hoof hearted' pranny that shouldnae be allowed within a galaxy o Scotland?
43

Ian down under,

Kawerau 04/07/2008 23:19:44
#42 Maltese kite fliers have sticky-up hairdos and staring red eyes
44

Exiled Leither,

05/07/2008 00:54:42
#40 Tram wires bad, diesel pollution good eh?,,,

Diesel Pollution is better than coal pollution on account of that there is more power produced per unit burned in a diesel engine than a coal fired boiler.
plus busses weigh less than trams and transmit their power to the ground more efficiently on a hill (Edinburgh being full of hills)so busses produce less CO2 than trams. Whether it is produced in Cockenzie, Longannet or Elm Row it maske no difference it all goes to atmosphere! Trams may be trendy but they are NOT environmentally friendly and will cause congestion.
45

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05/07/2008 02:18:45
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46

Goat Boy,

05/07/2008 07:48:03
Exiled Leither, you make some interesting points there. Buses also cover the whole of Edinburgh and the Lothians benefiting central Scotland as a whole. They will take you to Glasgow, the Scottish Borders, Perth -anywhere. The tram will take you from the foot of Leith to Princes Street and the Gyle. If you consider the costs for the distance covered and the number of people served, that can’t be a good investment. The Greens conveniently overlooked these points when they openly supported the project.

47

Bob 2,

05/07/2008 09:04:49
nothing ceases to amaze you,

TIE seem to be exempt from Normal Planning Regulations, and have been cart blanche rights to get the TRAM LINE up and running, with a total disregard for Individuals and there properties.

There was an interesting article recently were Wires had been put up to hold local Gala Flags ( i think) , the result, well the wires started to pull parts of the wall down.

Of Course, Owners WILL HAVE to make sure that there House/Buildings Insurance covers them for Any ACCIDENTS caused by the cables, and of course is there house EARTHED.

You wouldn't expect TIE to be responsible for their own actions.


And theres a lot more to come, The majority of Edinburgh's residents are in for a fright when the Lines start to go down, never mind when the trams start to run.
48

Buttress,

05/07/2008 10:01:15
Will owners of listed buildings need to apply for consent, or has that been waived aside for the trams too?
49

rs,

. ON THE TRAM 05/07/2008 10:26:05
no49

think you'll find its the latter.
50

Bob 2,

05/07/2008 10:30:47
question

what seats more a Double Deck bus or a Tram ?
51

Brian the Barbarian.,

a really posh place 05/07/2008 13:49:37
I would happily have several power cables slapped on the side of my house and my only regret is that as I don't live in the middle of nowhere the trams don't come near me. Not even near enough to hear them clanking and rattling the windows as they go past.

Still, it will be the festival soon so we can look forward to some Mexican wa*ker on stilts banging a drum for a month outside my door insted.
52

Maxibus,

05/07/2008 22:00:55
Shock! Horror! Bus stops and parking meters to be slapped on pavement. Pedestrians outraged. Pinkie from Pilton cried "I shall have to look where I am going. Have TIE no Shame?
53

rs,

in ma house 06/07/2008 20:39:40
Whats that song

They'll do it TIE way

With all these Overhead Electric Cables, maybe it'll interfere with all the Mobiles on Public Transport along the route.

Well maybe there is at last One benefit of the trams!!!
54

rs,

in ma house 06/07/2008 20:42:15
has anyone answered the Listed Building /Conservation area question.

OR has TIE already had Pre planning permission for this.

I bet everyone maintaining/improving their house had the same free for all when it comes to planning matters like TIE have for the TRAM Line.
55

Ian down under,

Kawerau 06/07/2008 22:42:11
#45 Hydro electric, wave power, wind power, solar power........they can all move trams, not so good with buses though [except trolley buses and they have wires too]
When the diesel runs out the trams can still keep running
There's even nuclear power as an option although that is another debate but a different one from the old SCRAM days of the 1980s

 

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