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Anger as Edinburgh refugee centre closes after funds axed



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Published Date: 15 April 2008
A REFUGEE support centre in Edinburgh has been forced to close after having its funding slashed.
The Cyrenians charity is shutting its operation in St George's West Church, Shandwick Place, after seeing its funding cut from more than £30,000 to £7627 by the city council.

The centre is used by people moving to the Capital from abroad – ranging
from eastern European economic migrants to those fleeing persecution and war in their home countries.

The centre was set up in 2004 to help people find homes, health services, schools and work when they first arrived in Edinburgh.

Although Edinburgh's asylum seeking and refugee populations are small compared with many other, similar sized UK cities, supporters say the centre was extremely well-used.

It has helped many Poles and other Europeans who have arrived in Edinburgh with little or no English.

Manager Neil McCulloch said the centre had been "fantastically effective" and the charity would be working to ensure the needs of its users would be taken care of in the future.

However, Nina Giles, director of Edinburgh and Lothians Racial Equality Council, said it would be a "big loss".

"It is not just a resource for refugees but also new arrivals from eastern Europe," she said.

"It is a good source of information on housing, immigration and other services that people require."

The number of asylum seekers and refugees living in Edinburgh has been estimated at 1200, while around 35,000 Poles have settled in the Lothians – the highest in any part of Scotland. The city council defended its decision to cut funding to the Cyrenians to run the centre.

Councillor Paul Edie, the city's health and social care leader, said: "The decision was taken to reduce the funding awarded to the Edinburgh Refugee Centre by the council in March. The number of asylum seekers and refugees in Edinburgh has greatly decreased in recent years and there is therefore a much-reduced need for the kind of services offered at the centre.

"There are also some other sources of help available. Although the decision to cut grants was a difficult one, we have to make sure that the taxpayer gets best value for money. Our aim is always to balance the books while maintaining and improving key frontline services."

Councillor Ewan Aitken, leader of the city's Labour group, criticised the decision.

"In a world of huge global migration we are shutting down the refugee centre," he said. "We spend a fortune on tourism so the message seems to be 'Come to Edinburgh, unless you're a refugee'."

www.cyrenians.org.uk
www.edinburgh.gov.uk
www.elrec.org.uk



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  • Last Updated: 15 April 2008 11:55 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Immigration and refugees
 
1

Ooh Ah Ginger God,

edinburgh 15/04/2008 12:13:00
Is there a reciprocal arrangement when we arrive penniless in Gdansk, Bucharest and Ullan Bator...I think not...
2

Brian M,

Edinburgh 15/04/2008 12:17:49
Another 'service' council tax should not be funding, let's hope they stop all funding next year.

And tourism is another 'service' which should not be funded from council tax either.
3

subrosa,

15/04/2008 12:19:19
Now that this surplus place is closing I do hope the £7600 has not yet been paid. Nonsense having a facility like this in any Scottish town. 'If they can't speak English' sums it all up - they should learn English before they come.

4

Get a life!,

15/04/2008 12:35:23
City of Edinburgh Council should not be funding this kind of facility. This is a waste of taxpayers money and should be put to better use to serve the citizens of Edinburgh who actually pay the council tax and not economic migrants, masquerading as refugees
5

Pop goes the Weasel ,

15/04/2008 12:53:28
You lot should all be ashamed of yourselves. Those types of small-minded comments are typical of folk who dont understand all the facts.
6

Buggalugs,

15/04/2008 13:04:38
#5 Then that will be most of the people who post on here then.
7

Ooh Ah Ginger God,

edinburgh 15/04/2008 13:06:47
No 5..come in your times up..you seem to be in a minority..Councils cant run cities properly..and the Government cant run the country properly so we should gladly welcome all and sundry to our country for a free meal ticket?
Perhaps we will see you heading out to Khazakstan or perhaps The Yemen to try and eek out a living for yourself if you dont like it here.. and relying on the assistance of the tinpot directors who run these countries.....I think not.
Take a bit of kevlar with you...
8

jjkiller,

15/04/2008 13:24:11
asylum seekers by definition is finding safety in the first country, not in my eyes travelling through 6 countries to get to ours because we offer the best benefits
9

Pop goes the Weasel ,

15/04/2008 13:39:09
But let's not forget that positive contributions have been made by many refugees coming into this country. There is a severe shortage of manual labourers in Scotland, which is why many Polish migrants have taken jobs in this industry. People in this country are too lazy to get off their backsides to get a job and sit around claiming benefits, which is why immigrants can work in this country in the first place.
10

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15/04/2008 13:46:37
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Cynicaltalk,

E Lothian 15/04/2008 13:52:20

Is there perhaps a shortage of manual labour workers in this country, not because of lazy brits, but because of employers realising that immigrants will work more for less money and not expect decent working conditions and benefits?

And if they are working so hard, why the bloody hell do they need 30k a year for this charity to help them?

If the message is to be 'come to Edinburgh, unless you are a refugee', why not change it to, 'You are a refugee, come to the first safe country you can get to', not 'Come to Edinburgh, via 6 other safe countries, just cos we are a soft touch'
12

Ooh Ah Ginger God,

edinburgh 15/04/2008 13:58:45
#9...You cannot put positive and refugee in the same sentence.
13

Rab G.,

15/04/2008 14:14:43
Clearly some people want to support this centre, and offer aid to refugees and migrants; and some people don't.

The people who want to support it, are free to do so. Nobody is trying to prevent them giving money. The question is whether the Council should force everyone else to donate through a levy on their Council Tax.

Would the supporters if this center please explain why they think that the people who disagree with them, should not have the right to choose?
14

Klaus Dubois,

Ed 15/04/2008 14:20:07
#9 I agree that there's a lot of people in Scotland who could get off their backsides - think it's 'bout time these people were 'encouraged'. That too would help reduce my council tax. I'd like much less council.
15

Pop goes the Weasel ,

15/04/2008 14:21:08
Oh get back to your caves everyone.

#10 Just for clarification, I am Scottish.

And #11, Polish folk make better workers because they work harder than many Scottish people in the same trade. Am I the only one who thinks that Scottish people are becoming ruder, and more complacent? I have been fortunate enough to have travelled to many countries, and have noticed that in Scotland, service in restaurants and bars is sullen, people are rude and people do not take pride in their work.

Open the floodgates, let the Polskis in.
16

Jingsitsme,

EDINBURGH 15/04/2008 14:21:37
Charity begins at home.

Any money available should not go to this kind of funding and channelled to helping our own.

17

Angus R,

15/04/2008 15:09:23
'and have noticed that in Scotland, service in restaurants and bars is sullen, people are rude and people do not take pride in their work'.


#15 - given that there a lot of non-scottish workers in most of the city centre bars / restaurants your comment kinda contridicts intself!!

Have to say one thing the Polish woman are far more attractive - you hardly ever seen an ugly one!!
18

Wull The Champ,

Sunny Leith 15/04/2008 15:15:26

#15 - Absolutely right!

We have enough arrogant and complacent people in the country already without importing even more - how about using the money for loans for their plane fare home?
19

Cynicaltalk,

E Lothian 15/04/2008 15:18:12

#15

Still chuckling at the fact you think we are all cavemen purely because we have opinion on where our council tax is spent!

And what factual evidence do you have to support your, very generalised, opinion that Poles are harder working than Scots? Perhaps we are becoming ruder and more complacement because we are continually having to work in environments that are becoming eroded of benefit and reward due to immigrants under cutting us. And before you begin talking about greed on our behalf, we do not have charities helping us out to get along in countries that we CHOOSE to move to.
20

Pop goes the Weasel ,

15/04/2008 15:50:58
#19 or maybe we're just a nation who is getting used to benefit payouts.

I work hard for my money and pay taxes too, but I just think that we as a nation need to take more accountability for ourselves and take more pride in our work. Otherwise immigrants are bound to take jobs, homes etc. Simple economics.

On the council tax point, maybe this is not something the tax payer should pay for, but we as Scots are recognised as a welcoming nation. Why not provide for our foreign cousins and help them to integrate into our society?

21

Cramondo,

Edinburgh 15/04/2008 15:56:21
Another triumph for the SNP tartan tory tax-cutting bandwagon.
22

John Knox furr First Meenister,

High St, Embra 15/04/2008 16:30:00
#15 - you'll find the facts on the IPPR report (available free to download at IPPR.org) - Britain's immigrants Sep 2007. Poles work longer hours and claim less benefits than the UK averages. I know that my organisation (financial) has done plenty surveys on Polish people here and they are a much harder group of workers than the UK average.
23

John Knox furr First Meenister,

High St, Embra 15/04/2008 16:30:44
Meant to reply to #19
24

scottishcoffindodgerno1,

Edinburgh 15/04/2008 17:47:49
who forced them to Come i ask,could someone explain.Money will be better spent on our own people,at last lunacy
defeated
25

Cynicaltalk,

E Lothian 15/04/2008 18:17:43

Poles work longer hours? Hopefully this is bound by the European Working Time Directive that the rest of us have to abide by?

And the report also states -

"What we can
say, however, is that based on the relatively simple ranking system employed in the tables
presented above, it is clear that on most criteria, most immigrant groups do better in
economic terms than the UK-born population. Overall, when we take into account the
relative size of the groups studied in this report, it would seem that the average immigrant
has better economic characteristics than the average UK-born person."


So what we have is a limited report of a selected cross section of the immigrant community using simple ranking systems? Hardly foolproof is it.


And it also states -

"However, this observation should not lead to complacency for those interested in promoting
the socio-economic integration of immigrant communities. There are some immigrant
communities who rank consistently lower on most indicators than the UK average."
26

Paul Hotair,

15/04/2008 18:18:23
Anger as Edinburgh refugee centre closes after funds axed

Read, reread and read the head line again and cannot find anybody who is angry about it.

Ususal EEN 'Anger', 'Outrage', 'Fury' nonsense.
27

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 15/04/2008 18:19:38
#15 Pop Goes der Vassel

"Open the floodgates, let the Polskis in"

You may not have noticed #15 but that is precisely what has happened. Both the Labour Party numpties in Westminster and those in the Scottish 'Parliament' haven't a clue as to how many Eastern Europeans are now residing in the UK.

The article quotes 35,000 Poles now in Lothian, but I bet you should really put another '0' at the end of that number and by the way, many coming here are receiving benefits/social services, etc without having paid anything into the national 'pot'. I know, as in my job I have to deal with many of them who are signing up for educational courses without having to pay fees, or by using the ILA fund into which they have paid nothing.

It's time politicians in this 'country' started to take care of our native population before it becomes extinct (although, some posters here may welcome that).
28

Ian Ross,

Edinburgh 15/04/2008 18:27:51
If immigrants want the services, make them pay for them. They haven't paid a penny in taxes, so why should we subsidize them ? We didn't ask them to come here.
29

Brian M,

15/04/2008 18:52:45
Nina Giles, director of Edinburgh and Lothians Racial Equality Council, said it would be a "big loss".

"It is not just a resource for refugees but also new arrivals from eastern Europe," she said.

Perhaps she should give them some of her pay and get all of her like-minded friends and colleagues to raise the funds themselves.

Council tax payers should not be funding them in any way


30

Jingsitsme,

EDINBURGH 15/04/2008 20:26:58
#29 - so what Nina Giles has a comment - Racial Equality Council doesn't come into it.

It's our country let's look after our own. We have OAP's with not enough heating, our kids in run down schools, NHS falling apart etc etc etc!

Gates shut for all entering until we get our house and our own in order.

We are not bad people if we say no more, we just getting the priorities right.

If we went to Poland, China or Pakistan would they take us in????? On yer bike they'd say...

31

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15/04/2008 20:54:23
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32

Harry Hotair,

15/04/2008 23:17:58
Does this mean that they're not getting compensation for being affected by the tram works, then?
33

fmuldar,

New Jersey, USA 16/04/2008 03:26:37
This is a bunch of "Hogwash"!!
If these people cannot speak "English" they should not be let into the Country--"Period"
How are they suppose too get jobs in the City if they cannot cummunicate in the "Language" of that City?
They always seem too end up on "The Dole" with the taxpayers "Footing" the bill. It should be a requirement that no one be allowed into the country unless they speak & understand "English"--Have a sponser who will Give them a Job---pay for they housing & if they are "Fired" or layed off from their job they have too "Leave" the Country ASAP.
34

fmuldar,

New Jersey, USA 16/04/2008 03:27:34
This is a bunch of "Hogwash"!!
If these people cannot speak "English" they should not be let into the Country--"Period"
How are they suppose too get jobs in the City if they cannot cummunicate in the "Language" of that City?
They always seem too end up on "The Dole" with the taxpayers "Footing" the bill. It should be a requirement that no one be allowed into the country unless they speak & understand "English"--Have a sponser who will Give them a Job---pay for their housing & if they are "Fired" or layed off from their job they have too "Leave" the Country ASAP.
35

Pop goes the Weasel ,

16/04/2008 08:43:02
#33 and 34 - Ah, the irony of someone in the USA making those comments, and being unable to use the English language correctly.
36

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16/04/2008 12:45:22
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piper,

07/05/2008 16:24:49
the people of scotland should come before any refugee im fed up paying council tax for everybody that wants to come and live in OUR COUNTRY getting really fed up the goverment is a bloody joke

 

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