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Published Date:
27 June 2007
TEACHERS and pupils in Edinburgh have hit out at lukewarm, sub-standard meals served in "ghastly" school dining halls.
In a damning new report, school staff complain of broccoli that is more grey than green, "peely-wally" carrots, and food served on trays that look as though they belong in Saughton Prison.

The Taste of Reality report by The Pilton Partnership cites meals being prepared at one school and eaten at another as one reason for the low quality.

Dining halls are described as "unpleasant" and the authors say that in the eyes of children they compare badly to KFC and McDonalds restaurants.

The report was compiled last year, four years after the launch of the Scottish Executive's Hungry For Success initiative which was aimed at improving children's attitude and knowledge about diet and eating healthily.

Despite this, staff still complain that youngsters struggle to recognise healthy food options because they do not get them at home.

Cammy Day, youth participation worker at the Pilton Partnership, said: "At one of the schools some of the kids didn't know what a certain vegetable was and so were not sure if they should eat it or not."

Much of the criticism of food served in Edinburgh's schools came from the teachers and kitchen managers. They also hit out at parents who fill lunch boxes with "absolutely appalling processed food".

The responses from youngsters were more mixed, ranging from claims health food looks disgusting to praise such as meals "smell brilliant" and "taste great".

Mr Day admitted: "We did not expect the teachers to be as critical as they were.

The headteachers complained that they did not have any control over the food and when it comes from other schools' kitchens it is lukewarm.

"Some of the schools we were looking at have since introduced healthy meals. But only this morning we had children in here saying the food is still rubbish."

The surveys took place after Hungry For Success menus were introduced in primary schools, but before they were brought into secondaries.

But Mr Day said changes to the menus was not all that was required, and schools and the city council could learn from the fast food chains when it comes to providing a fun dining experience.

"No-one wants to eat in a dining hall that looks like a hospital canteen," he said. "There's nothing in these dining halls that is appealing."

Dean Loughton, 18, a member of the Pilton Partnership's young people's forum, said: "Things are changing and meals are getting healthier, which is good to see.

"But the way the food is presented needs to change quicker because often the meals are not very attractive."

Councillor Marilyne MacLaren, the city's education leader, said: "We welcome this report and will look closely at the comments and use any information which can help us to improve our school meals.

"We encourage pupils to eat school meals, and try to provide them with tasty, balanced meals including vegetarian and healthy options."




WHAT THEY SAID ABOUT THE FOOD AND CANTEENS


School staff, including head-teachers and kitchen managers.

On food prepared off site...

"The veg looks sad and colourless - the broccoli is more grey than green, and the carrots are peely-wally."

"The taste of the food is horrible - it has a sad taste. It's just not fresh, it's been kept warm for too long."

On canteen trays...

"I've taken issue with the 'prison trays' - 'flight trays' they call them. The only time the children will eat like this is if they're in Saughton."

On dining halls...

"If I was being honest I would have to say it's horrible - ghastly with horrible metal windows. I wouldn't want to eat in there."

On the new range of fruit and vegetables...

"Some of our kids don't recognise the foods on offer - we've asked for the catering company to come in and do taster sessions."

The pupils gave a more mixed reaction.

"Health food looks disgusting - make it look better, get fresh ingredients."

"Not cooked right at all. Mince has lumps in it and is yuck."

"The school lunches are really brilliant - good smell."

"They are healthy and they taste the best."

The full article contains 703 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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1

TheGlaswegian,

Edinburgh 27/06/2007 12:20:48

When I was at school we got lumpy mashed tatties almost every day, tongue or some kind of third world mince, occasionaly got fish, we then got either custard or semolina (sometimes with tinned prunes, sometimes with nothing). That was it. Every day.

2

AngSW,

27/06/2007 12:31:20

On canteen trays...

"I've taken issue with the 'prison trays' - 'flight trays' they call them. The only time the children will eat like this is if they're in Saughton."

NASTY, s'pose they don't hold out much hope for the youngsters, wonder if the same would have been said if they visited St Margarets, or Heriot Watts and discovered pupils eating off plastic trays, would their pupils be heading to jail or would the comment have been more like "They'll only eat off of these trays on an easy jet flight!!!"
Good luck to all the pupils with their future already mapped out because of a dinner plate LOL!!!
I'm sure they'll do well plastic tray or china plate, but I do agree they are horrible to eat off of.

3

Paula,

27/06/2007 12:40:40

My primary school had wonderful school dinners, cooked by the dinner ladies fresh every day.

And that is the point, freshly cooked good food, not burgers and chips. Why are parents paying for their children to eat this rubbish? Unless their school has a kitchen and staff who know how to cook then a packed lunch is a better alternative.

Is this linked to the hospital food article? I am thinking the food must be cooked in the same place as I did mention there about the lack of edible veggies. That is why children end up hating veggies, faced with a plate of grey broccoli!

The prisoners of course will eat better, our priorities are all wrong.

4

Boy Wonder,

27/06/2007 13:18:02

School dinners. When I was a kid I wanted to get school dinners because it was better than I got at home (I thought). I didn't get a pudding every day.

Later on, I realised how bad school dinners had become and still are.

I think schools should develop a cafe culture similar in style to the layouts of restaurants. Make them WANT to come in ... and get a few hi-powered Scottish Chefs to come in and do a Jamie Oliver on school meals in Scotland!

5

bill inch,

27/06/2007 13:36:04

no3 they are not paying you are. and how do the teacher know ahat it tastes like are they complaing because they dont like there illegal free lunch.

6

Black Five,

edinburgh 27/06/2007 13:42:37

What do they want ,the Balmoral.School dinners are school dinners and can only be served in a canteen atmosphere.As long as they are nutritious that`s all that matters.

7

Burghboys,

Edin 27/06/2007 14:22:01

Black Five - did you read the article..

The nutritional value may be correct, but would you eat lunch, in a run down cafe, with food that looked like sickness, and being rushed to eat and get out of the building - no dont think so..

Lunch is free time, like our lunch is unpaid, to do what you like and enjoy - the scholl and scottish exec have a duty to provide, and the pint is made that there obviuosly failing!!
Not the balmoral wanted, a clean freindly environment that serves decent quality food. the knock on effect is eat junk instead, affecting health and concentration!!

8

PG,

Edinburgh 27/06/2007 14:46:32

My kids are at Broughton Primary and had all the Hungry for Success literature home. They were excited about the healthy food because they eat healthily at home. But to be honest any health benefits they'd get from the over cooked, mushy crap that is actually served up is long gone! The food sits in trays keeping warm too long. The kids then queue for ages, often not getting anything they like or is edible if they're at the end of the queue. They sit in grubby, depressing surroundings and get rushed through their meal because the dining hall isn't large enough. Then just in case they don't hate the experience enough, they get shouted at by the dinner ladies for not eating the slop they're given.

The council are so good at dishing out the advice on health but they don't practise what they preach. Refurbish the dining halls to make them more inviting, encourage the kids to take their time and socialise over meals and give them food worth eating! They might even carry on the good practices at home.

9

MummyWease,

27/06/2007 16:25:41

We're fortunate that the council reinstated a working Kitchen in my children's school. The meals are fresh and taste good as the parents have been invited in to try the lunches too. I work in various schools across Edinburgh and some places I eat with the children. You can tell the difference between stuff made on the premises and served fresh compared to the schools which have it brought in for the children. At £1.65 a meal I don't mind paying for my children to go but I know when the school did have meals brought in they struggled to get 60 children to have lunch. Since going to a working kitchen they now have around 150 children with many of the staff taking a cooked lunch too. Shame that so many schools have to receive meals which are well cooked but it's the length of time before they are served which makes them inedible.

10

Stephen101,

More complicated this than I thought 27/06/2007 17:01:50

Cammy Day, youth participation worker at the Pilton Partnership, said: "At one of the schools some of the kids didn't know what a certain vegetable was and so were not sure if they should eat it or not."

So you just eat some vegetables? Or do you need a name for them?

Why not just go with - if it is green eat it.

The reverse has worked for 100 years in Scotland with the results we all know

11

Firozali A.Mulla MBA PhD,

Dar-Es-Salaam Tanzania 27/06/2007 17:03:55

EAT UP: The report found that some children have difficulty recognising healthy food options on offer in school canteens

My Apple of the eye. My left side of the lung, My son, daughter. my to be prime minister or the biggest thug lawyer. Please eat
You see the Darfur etc they don’t have even a bread crumb for seven days. Mr.Bush has put sanctions to the Somalia and Sudan that neighbors this. The East African courtiers can do-little.
They together with Iraqis have no water. Sorry Mugabe also has taken all our BRITISH land and there are goats letting the newspaper leftovers. May be these are for the BIO FUEL the first to come from the land of Dark Continent( I am joking, We are from Darwin), Eat up my child, there is no more porridge but Mr. Brown is coming in place of Mr. Blaire who took all the bread to Iraq and Afghanistan. Eat up and be the good daddy of the future generation. We need you for the new planet and EU and Putin.
You see child the glob is warming up. You better eat before the corn flakes become soggy.
My love I love you more then your dad. Who was he I have no idea but you have to go to Scotland then to Iran. Eat up child so you don’t hear the noise of the rain that is pounding on us today and many have lost lives.


Eat damn it why don’t you listen. One behind your ear and you will be sent to vet.
Eat stupid child I am tensed up as is because of the politics more tax etc.

12

Cassandra,

27/06/2007 17:46:05

I spent a morning at a primary school recently, and was invited to take lunch with them before I left. The only criticism I would make of the school is that (at least by the time I got to the serving counter) there was literally nothing there I would eat. Still, it did look better than in the dark ages when I got school dinners - Friday (fish & chips, ice cream & jelly) was the only day you could identify what was on your plate as food!

13

Elizabeth M,

Edinburgh 27/06/2007 21:26:13

I didn't eat primary school dinners although I do remember them being cooked on site. However, when I moved up to secondary school - Portobello (in the early 70's) - I loved the school dinners. Does anyone remember the Winter Salad? It not only was delicious but healthy too - they always had superb main courses and although to this day I am not a big dessert person, I can still taste and remember the caramel cake with custard and the chocolate raisin cake? I know that the dinner ladies were always there so I assume they cooked and baked the meals for us - pity it is not the same fare as we had - we were anything but fat, unhealthy and under nourished.

14

wiggy woo,

The honest town 28/06/2007 00:13:09

#11

I know you have posted verbal garbage before on this site but what really what are you on about ???

I cant believe you have a Phd ???.

Please please please do not post again unless you have something to say on the relevant TOPIC .

#13 I also went to Portobello High (1978-82) & like you I loved the school meals.


 

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