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Published Date: 10 February 2009
SERIOUS doubts were growing today over the future of the Caltongate development as the company behind the massive project faces a battle for survival.
New accounts posted by the London-based developer Mountgrange showed that it recorded a £24.3 million loss in the year to the end of March 2008.

It is also weighed down by heavy debts and is trying to secure bank support to allow it to survive.

Its auditor has admitted that there is a "material uncertainty that casts doubts about the company's ability to continue as a going concern".

The new figures cast doubt over the £300m Caltongate scheme, which was given planning consent after lengthy delays last summer.

The scheme would see a new five-star hotel and conference centre created, as well as scores of shops, offices and homes, but Mountgrange said it has had to write down the value of its Caltongate land by £17.7 million due to the effects of the recession.

It emerged today the commercial parts of the scheme are effectively on hold until Mountgrange attracts occupiers to pre-let space in the development.

Property experts, however, say pre-lets are unlikely in the current market.

The company – whose current bankers are Bank of Scotland, now part of the part-nationalised Lloyds Banking Group – owes £51m to creditors.

This includes £20m in bank loans and overdrafts that are due within one year.

A spokesman for Mountgrange today insisted the project was still on track, but he added: "Together with many other property companies in the current difficult financial climate, we are affected by the sharp downturn in the market.

"Our operating position reflects this and as such we have had to write down asset values. Our accounts from last year reflect these re-valuations and the reduction in our operating position.

"However, Mountgrange continues to actively pursue its plans for Caltongate and believes strongly that this site is a key opportunity for Edinburgh. We hope to be able to provide an update on Caltongate shortly."

Analysts say that it is "critical" that the company and its subsidiaries secure funding if they are to continue trading.

But banks are currently cautious about lending to speculative development, and only last week council-backed Buredi had to put a subsidiary responsible for the redevelopment of part of the former Fountain Brewery into administration after it failed to secure fresh funding from the Royal Bank of Scotland, its only creditor.

In a statement with the latest accounts of Mountgrange filed at Companies House, the firm's auditor, London accounting firm Brett Adams, included an "emphasis of matter", which is a paragraph defining "material uncertainties" that cast significant doubt on the company's ability to continue as a going concern.

However, the auditor added that Mountgrange's directors have "a reasonable expectation" that the company has adequate resources to continue in operational existence "for the foreseeable future".

It said that, as well as banks, it is looking to "equity partners" who could provide funding for future work.

Analysts say that the latest set of results indicate that there are serious concerns about the future of the company.

Bryan Johnston, a director with investment manager Bell Lawrie, said: "The whole tone of the statement makes it very difficult to assess if the company is viable.

"It is clearly critical for it to secure funding and if it can achieve that it will continue. If it were to stop trading today there is clearly some doubt about whether it could pay its debts."

He said that even in the hard-hit housing and construction sectors, it remains "unusual" for an auditor to include an "emphasis of matter" statement in a company's accounts.

"I am not suggesting that it will go bust but clearly a statement like that suggests some serious financing is needed," he said.

In separate accounts posted by Mountgrange (Caltongate), the subsidiary responsible for the development, the firm said it had needed to write down the value of its land by £17.7m.

Aside from Caltongate, Mountgrange's only other developments are the proposed Phoenix Park development in Glasgow, an office building in London, a mixed-use site in Maidstone and a series of properties under the Jeeves Portfolio banner.

Within the Mountgrange (Caltongate) results, the firm said it is looking to attract companies that will pre-let commercial space before it is built in order to make it more likely to be able to source funding.

It already has a hotel occupier signed up but property experts have doubts about whether other commercial operators will sign up to pre-lets.

Stewart Taylor, a director in the Edinburgh office of property firm CB Richard Ellis, said: "While it is common for hotel developers to pre-commit, it is uncommon for an office occupier to commit before a scheme has come out of the ground.

"Every developer is struggling to secure funding for any speculative development. Largely, banks are not funding speculative sites and that makes it difficult to get them off the ground.

"That said, it is a prime location and in a reasonable market it would find occupiers but even in a reasonable market it would be difficult to get occupiers off plan."

EDINBURGH'S BIGGEST DEVELOPMENTS
Location: Haymarket
Developer: Tiger Developments
Development detail: £200m project to create two giant hotels, offices, shops and restaurants
Status: Facing delays after a public inquiry was called by Scottish Government ministers

Location: St James Centre
Developer: Henderson Global Investors
Development detail: Demolition of current centre, replaced by £850m development of shops, offices, flats and a five-star hotel
Status: Outline planning consent to be decided on in the spring, with demolition work due to start in 2011 and the project completed by 2016

Location: Springside, Fountainbridge
Developer: Grosvenor/AMA Homes/ Royal Bank of Scotland
Development detail: £200 million mixed use development of flats, retail and offices.
Status: Residential phase started but office elements on hold until market improves

Location: Shawfair, Danderhall and Greendykes
Developer: Shawfair Developments (joint venture between Miller Group and the councils of Midlothian and Edinburgh)
Development detail: £500m plan for 5000 new homes, schools and industrial units
Status: Facing further delays after Miller pulled out of development

Location: Cowgate
Developer: SoCo
Development detail: £40m redevelopment of fire site into 200-bedroom hotel, shops, business centre and glass walkways.
Status: Work due to start soon and take two years to complete

Location: Ingliston
Developer: Royal Highland Agricultural Society of Scotland
Development detail: £350m move for the Royal Highland Showground across the A8 to accommodate the expanding Edinburgh Airport
Status: Plans now on ice after airport operator BAA said it will not need the Ingliston land until at least 2020

Council brings in £1.3m plan to help city weather current economic storm
COUNCIL chiefs have launched a £1.3 million plan to help Edinburgh's economy weather the recession.

The extra cash will pay for a number of new initiatives, including the creation of a dedicated Edinburgh tourism bureau.

Nearly half of the money will be spent on efforts to lure an estimated £600m worth of new investment to the Capital over the next three years.

The extra resources had been in doubt because of pressures from other parts of the council, such as education, but the money was secured as part of last-minute negotiations between the SNP and Lib Dem administration ahead of the council's 2009/10 budget meeting on Thursday.

City economic leader Tom Buchanan also today revealed during talks with the Lloyds Banking Group it was suggested the full impact of large scale job losses from its takeover of HBOS may not hit the Capital for three years.

However, banking insiders today told the News that job losses are likely to occur sooner than 2012.

Among the other economic initiatives planned by city leaders is spending up to £450,000 on developing the Inspiring Capital brand, as well as a £5000 audit of "unsellable" homes in the Capital which the council could potentially buy.

Other plans include spending £14,000 on food preparation and budgeting courses for disadvantaged communities, as well as a number of new "re-skilling" training schemes.

Cllr Buchanan, the council's economic development convener, said: "It is a very difficult time for everyone in the city so I'm delighted that the administration has found this extra money."

Asked about the spectre of redundancies in the Capital's financial services industry, Cllr Buchanan added: "Hopefully they can see the council is trying to equip the city for tough times ahead."

A spokesman for Lloyds Banking Group said: "It is very early days. We do envisage that the full merger of both organisations will take two to three years."


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  • Last Updated: 10 February 2009 11:07 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Caltongate development
 
1

LUVMACITY,

IN THE LOBBY 10/02/2009 11:57:46
Another hole in the ground to remain that way. Great news.
2

Cappo Del Monte,

10/02/2009 11:59:26
woops, predicted this around 1-2 months ago.
Does this mean that the flats they have lying empty can now be rented out?
Bet all the campaigners will be laughing all the way to the pub.
But how many years will the site now ly empty, like a big hole in the ground that it is
3

mad moo,

edinburgh 10/02/2009 12:00:08
It is now time for CEC to admit their decision was wrong and to halt the sale of land and homes to Mountgrange to allow further destruction in the area.
Get the council houses filled back up with people on the waiting list, relet the spaces in Canongate Venture where small businesses were thrown out.
And while we wait for some finance to allow a better development, use the £100,000 security which was put in place to make Mountgrange keep to the conditions of their planning consent for the demolition of the Old Bus Depot - They were required to provide a temporary car park and landscape scheme if the development did not start once that bit of demolition was complete.
4

brandy al,

embra 10/02/2009 12:03:03
If Mountgrange could not see this coming,well no wonder they are in deep doo-doo.
5

mad moo,

edinburgh 10/02/2009 12:03:35
Lots of ideas have been put forward to regenerate this area without MORE demolitions and making the gap site even bigger.
See what could be done at the Canongate Project launch on 21st Feb at storytelling centre.
see www.eh8.org.uk website for more details.
6

Thomas the Tank,

Edinburgh 10/02/2009 12:12:06
Were Mountgrange not the Cowboy speculators (with a somewhat colourful and controversial reputation elsewhere) who hired the Ex-Dear Leader Anderson as some form of Meeja Spin-Doctor and Political Consultant? (and we all know what that means) Well, there you go - what goes around, comes around, Donald!
And why does the supplementary piece on 'EDINBURGH'S BIGGEST DEVELOPMENTS' not include The Waterfront and the biggest White Elephant of all, the Grandiose TramCar Folly?
7

Plodjfriss, Hammer of the Numpties,

Edinburgh 10/02/2009 12:41:37
I wonder how Quartermile is getting on.
8

Buttress,

10/02/2009 12:44:41
Oh ho ho ho.

For more see:

www.eh8.org.uk

and the linked blog.

There's stuff on the website about Mountgrange's spin doctors. That includes Mark Cummings, Invicta PA.

He's gone very quiet.

9

Road Raga,

EDINBURGH 10/02/2009 12:49:50
Looks like we are returning to the 1970s - 80s when Edinburgh was full of dreaded 'gap sites' (not the shop !)
It took donkeys years to build on them, now we have a new lot to fill !
10

Road Raga,

EDINBURGH 10/02/2009 12:50:48
#6 - change the record please, this is now't to do with trams.
11

Buttress,

10/02/2009 12:55:48
No, there is a bond in place to landscape the bus depot site, if the development doesn't happen, the tenements and the Venture could be retenanted.

12

Rap,

10/02/2009 12:58:06
Mad moo, what were the conditions that would force mountgrange to landscape the hole while waiting to start building? Was it a timescale issue - has it passed now?
13

The Judge,

10/02/2009 13:06:22
The extra cash will pay for a number of new initiatives, including the creation of a dedicated Edinburgh tourism bureau.

God forbid we should invest in proper jobs instead of catering for the tourist dollar that doesn't exist any more.

-----

Nearly half of the money will be spent on efforts to lure an estimated £600m worth of new investment to the Capital over the next three years.

In other words JUNKETS for all.

I predicted Caltongate didn't have the money at the back end of last year. Trust me the tramLINE is next
14

Thomas the Tank,

Edinburgh 10/02/2009 13:07:12
#10, maybe not directly, but Caltongate and The Trams are both grandiose legacies of Emperor Anderson's New Clothes Delusion conjured up under the previous administration.
15

Bill MacD,

10/02/2009 13:11:50
Maybe if the Planning Department encouraged designs more in keeping with our traditional local architecture, rather than wishing to destroy everything with character in favour of turning this city into an identikit mall, then they'd get less opposition from the people who actually pay their wages, and fewer delays, and better results.

But this disastrous department has its own agenda which is all about a trendy addition to modernity to achieve the approval they crave from art-school graduate trendies. It's the same humanity-hating theory-driven mentality that gave us monstrosities like Wester Hailes and the St James Centre, but updated from the 60s the latest fads of today.

They need to be sacked en masse and personnel recruited who actually care about, rather than despise, architectural and civic traditions. That's what brings visitors to our beautiful city. That's what they are driven to destroy.
16

The Judge,

10/02/2009 13:15:51
#10 The city council will not receive any tramLINE money from Caltongate so this does relate to Phil Wheelers white elephant.

#14 There is no point in laying the blame at Teflon Don's door, the current administration are building the tramLINE not the previous one, the current crop of idiots have had numerous chances to cancel the project.
17

Rap,

10/02/2009 13:16:19
I agree Bill. Local campaigners will get a lot of abuse on here, and in the architectural press, because of the delays they caused they stopped this developer starting earlier. But if people aren't happy they have a right to democratically object. it does mean the hole in the ground will be there for a lot longer, but I'd guess that's better than a development that is not wanted.
18

Rap,

10/02/2009 13:17:25
Finger's crossed now everyone that Tiger will also run out of dosh......
19

Logie Almond,

10/02/2009 13:48:52
Fantastic news. The council must act to prevent the damage which could be done if this project demolishes the Canongate tenements and the listed buildings. I wouldn't put it past Caltongate to carry out the destruction even if they have no prospects of completing the development, on the basis that a cleared site would be more valuable.
20

Truthman,

DC 10/02/2009 14:03:49
The plans looked dreadful, possibly worse than our "Pentagon City". Fill it in or plough it under as needed and consider the area lucky.
21

Thomas the Tank,

Edinburgh 10/02/2009 14:06:22
#16, don't want to argue but Teflon Don & Co had already squandered a HUGE wodge of public dosh on the TramFolly, with several ex-senior council officers in TIE, before the FibDums found themselves, against even their own expectations, in charge of the Asylum. Cancelling the project would have meant Making a Decision - and we both know that goes against their political instincts. They'd far rather let things just, sort of, muddle along in an organic, homespun sort of way in the hope that it'll all work out nice.
22

Old Town Resident,

edinburgh 10/02/2009 14:34:18
The builders have offered to pay for the £100,000 arts project in a bid to quell fears the former New Street bus depot site could become a major eyesore.

see article here -

http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/caltongatedevelopment/Sculpture-plan-for-bus-depot.2688178.jp
23

Rap,

10/02/2009 15:08:50
#22 But that suggests it is merely a gesture on behalf of the developer to make the gap look pretty. I understood that the planners had issued a condition of the planning approval that they hide the hole if there were delays during development? Like the bond mentioned in #11?
24

Suntoucher,

Exiled 10/02/2009 15:22:53
#15 - Bill, you are right in parts and wrong also.

The Planning Department and the 'Council' are and were petrified about making any worthwhile decsions. Especially during the last 5 years.

The problem with the planning system is that it is quasi democratic and seeks to please all but in the end pleases no-one and slows things down to a pace which turns a blind eye to the stress and strains suffered by the local residents, the 'pressures' faced by developers leaking cash on speculative deals and all of the time, as the clock ticks, the architectural merit (if any and highly subjective) get watered down becuase the developer needs to save cash, and the Council impose heavy balckmail duties on developers under the guise of Section 75 Agreements which in turn, get criticised by the residents as brown enveloping. It is a vicious circle.

I disagree (but understand) your jibe at 'art school' trendies regarding St James' and Westerhailes. You have to read your history books to understand the context of these two developments you pick out and yes they are totally hideous in our 21st C eye, but at the time, they were seen by most of the great un-washed as the best thing since a Tunnocks Tea cake.

If Moutgrange go under, its you and me, the tax payers who will again pay vis are already heavy central Govt subsidy to the Banks over the last few month -indeed there is an argument to say thay you local now 'own' the land to do what you will with (that would be a great day?).

I am not great fan personally of pastiche stick on fake mediaevil architecture (like the Scandic Crown for instance), and think that world class buildings should and could live along side the 'old-stuff' in Embra - but what allways confuses matters is when you get elected politicians, and CEC's very low grade Planning staff involved. That's why we have less than mediocre, boring stick on stone modern buildings in Edinburgh, and not the stuff we deserve.
25

Rap,

10/02/2009 15:28:43
Suntoucher, I think an additional problem - which I doubt is unique to Edinburgh is that "consultation" with the great unwashed doesn't happen with involvement with the CEC planners. So, the developers hand out questionnaires with loaded questions, or select the responses they like to show to the planners, whilst the developers get to spend a lot of time with the planners directly. I am sure this is why on big developments like this there is an understandable outcry from unhappy locals.
26

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 10/02/2009 15:38:25
A very disappointing result for those of us who were in favour of this development going ahead - in these cash hungry times and due to the long delays in actually getting started, this was inevitable.

On a more cheerful note, even the present gap site will be better than the eyesore of a garage and other semi-derilict structures which have been removed. However, it seems that Mountgrange et al will have to landscape the area which might be successfully used as a car park/play area for children. What about its possible use as a farmers market?


27

Thomas the Tank,

Edinburgh 10/02/2009 15:46:03
#24 - a lot of sound argument in your post - and HOW the Council milks section 75! (developers mugged for 'contributions' to fund 'infrastructure improvements') I agree the Scandic appeared a bit 'Disney meets Old Town' when first built but it's weathered-in quite nicely. It's certainly a lot better than the long standing gap-site it replaced, and that's what might end up on New Street. Unless the Cooncil has a 'Plan B'?
28

Suntoucher,

Exiled 10/02/2009 15:52:15
#25 Rap, I agree with you. From experience, it is not supposed ot be this way, and The Scottish Exec had published wide changes to the Local Planning system which was supposed to make the consultation a level playing field where the Planners act as 'managers' and not 'controllers' of development. Unfortunatley, CEC and probabaly (as you say) other L.A.'s don't have the ability dare I say to carry out this process, and instead, and rather lazily relied too much on the Developer's own version of consultation, and PR companies to spin the issues albeit sometimes with some good intentions.

Unfortunately, and naming no names in CEC, most locals get branded as 'loonies' and therefore cannot get an fair share of any worthwhile debate and meanwhile, our poor, underskilled and under resourced planning department just wants to take flexi days, numerous holidays, sick leave, and so on...(I am being a naughty saying all of that I know (but it is true)) and make poor and ofter late judgements which are in a sense 'democratic' but by definition, boring and un-adventurous.
29

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 10/02/2009 15:55:23
#17 Rap

"It does mean the hole in the ground will be there for a lot longer, but I'd guess that's better than a development that is not wanted."

Rap, the hole may, indeed not be there a lot longer as there are already rumours that sites like this are either being or are about to be sold of at absolutely knock-down prices.

As the tram system progresses and the Council becomes more and more strapped for cash and needs more and more funding from Coucil Tax and Business rates, is it not conceivable that we may well end up with a very much worse developer than yourself and some others have considered Mountgrange to be?

I wouldn't start crowing yet, not by a long way.

30

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 10/02/2009 16:05:13
#13 The Judge

"Trust me the tramLINE is next"

I do so hope that you are correct in your prediction.

Personally I'm sorry about Caltongate as it would have gone a long to brighten up a very dull part of Calton Road/the Old Town and would have greatly added to security in the area in general.



31

Suntoucher,

Exiled 10/02/2009 16:06:21
#29 Agreed.

The 'consent' or minded to grant still stands subject to the S75 payments by whoever buys the land (sorry, out of the loop and country for that matter to know if the payments have been made) and it is not inconceivable that either Mountgrange or another developer does part or the whole of the scheme which is better than looking at a hole in the ground!
32

Freddie,

10/02/2009 16:10:09
Peter

Your concerns are indeed justified - When the council/ country is strapped for cash - I would imagine that the first developer who would offer a couple of used teabags, would get snapped up without any thought as to architectural integrity.

Its a delboys market.

Freddie
33

Seb,

10/02/2009 16:10:52
#24 Suntoucher, good post. It's unfortunate that the reform of planning doesn't tackle the fundamentals. The planners are besieged from all sides. I'd rather the the Bus Station remained over a derelict or tarted up site as it could at least function as a useable space. The loss of cheap art/club space is lamented and the sanitisation of the Old Town culturally reprehensible.
34

Rap,

10/02/2009 16:16:04
#29 Peter,
I'm not crowing. But I would have assumed that if Mountgrange do fall apart and don't build as per the approval then whoever buys the land will either build as per the approved plans (they can't go off on a wild spree remember), or they can submit their own application for a new scheme. So, in either case the residents are no worse off than if Mountgrange built on the site.
35

The Judge,

10/02/2009 16:22:31
#30 Peter the problem is simply about money, we don't have enough to finish the project, it's well over budget and already (approx)8 months behind schedule. Not a single inch of line has been laid despite numerous promises.

Phil Wheeler can write as many letters to the EEN as he likes, even he knows we don't have the money. Remember this is a man who wants to borrow somewhere in the region of £75,000,000 against business rates from bushinesses that don't even exist.

Thankfully The SNP at a national level are sticking to the "not a penny more" they promised. If they break that promise they're finished in Edinburgh, I personally think they're unelectable in Edinburgh anyway.
36

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 10/02/2009 16:58:09
#34 Rap,

"whoever buys the land will either build as per the approved plans (they can't go off on a wild spree remember)"

Rap, accepted, but my point here is that we might end up with a right 'minger' as a developer and a cash-strapped Coucil which just might start bending the rules in desperation.

#35 The Judge,

As you say, it is all about money and as far as I am aware this Town never had the balance of funds in place anyway (for the trams).

Heard an interesting wee trams snippit around Christmas time to the effect that the services in Leith will have to be re-opened and re-installed as they seem to have broken some safety regulations the first time. Guess they are waiting for a 'bad news day' to make that announcement (if true).

#32 Freddie, I am drying out my teabags as I type!!

37

The Judge,

10/02/2009 17:04:43
#36 Peter, it's been well known for sometime that the utilities will have to be dug up again, not only in Leith Walk but Shandwick Place too.

Wait until they really get to work in Princes St, an old school engineer I know told me they're in for the fright of their life's.
38

calum,

10/02/2009 17:10:08
I wonder what has happened to all the supporters of the former Labour Council, particularly those who believed every word of Trevor Davies and Donald Anderson. Moscow Central 42, where are you now?
39

calum,

10/02/2009 17:12:05
#36 - Bang on the money about the utilities in the Leith area. The announcement will have to be made soon and guess what? Costs, costs, costs, up, up up.
40

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 10/02/2009 17:21:42
#37 & #39 The judge & Calum

Thanks for that fellows, I hadn't realised this was so generally known (I was beginning to doubt).

Calum I too wondered about Moscow Central 42, perhaps he/she has been buried under Leith Walk by the trammies?

Sorry everybody else, this article is not about trams, but the financial implications will have knock-on effects on all sorts of things in 'Auld Reekie' pretty obviously e.g. the Town won't be buying the empty Caltongate site for a new sports centre or something of the sort.



41

Sarah B,

Edinburgh 10/02/2009 17:26:55
Calum/Judge - Poor, poor Lothian Buses - first in the firing line. Very sadly, I would now put money on Edinburgh's public transport system being privatised within the not too distant future.
42

Thomas the Tank,

Edinburgh 10/02/2009 18:01:55
#'s37, 39 & 42 - my mole tells me the contractor's bogus workmen 'forgot' to fit the flange seals to some major water pipe joints. That's certainly one hell of an excavation, full of water, that they've been plootering about in and generally 'looking into'for over a week at the junction of Leith Walk and MacDonald Road. Tesco must be kicking up stink. #37- your old engineer's got it right - the Mound is one massive concrete raft to support the major interchange of the old trams. The West End and Haymarket junctions are much the same, which is why the work's taking so long.
43

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 10/02/2009 19:09:36
#45 Thomas the Tank,

I know this isn't strictly part of the article, but this is very interesting.

I think we can possibly assume that there will be another 'concrete raft' at the top of Leith Walk/Street where it where it turns into Princes Street at Waterloo Place/The North Bridge - I remember that being a fairly large tram interchange when I was a kid.

Wow, the Town will be ruined - maybe we should make all the old Labour Councillors Bank Directors?

44

Skinnybob,

10/02/2009 20:02:15
On one side of the road we have the council HQ, where the idiots who 'run' the city are housed. Run into the ground some would suggest.

On the other side of the road we now have a vast hole in need of filling.

Anyone else see the obvious solution here??
45

Pilrig.,

Livingston 10/02/2009 22:24:49
7 some of the work is slowing doon cos the flats aren't selling as much as hoped.
46

Pilrig.,

Livingston 10/02/2009 22:28:54
Wee Don Anderson (in a few months time) sez "Gizza job, I can do that, go on, gizza job"
47

Thomas the Tank,

Edinburgh 10/02/2009 23:10:12
#46 - there was indeed a major tram interchange at the GPO, but the new line isn't going that way - it's to turn left up South St Andrew St, east side of the Square and down to turn into York Place.
48

COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 10/02/2009 23:48:27
thank.god.our.prayers..might.be.answered.lets.hope
49

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 11/02/2009 10:35:11
#50 Thomas the Tank

Thanks for that Thomas, I had forgotten that they were going to by-pass the GPO/Waterloo Place bit - makes you wonder if one of the 'planners' also remembered the old days and wanted to avoid problems?

#47 Skinnybob,

"Anyone else see the obvious solution here??"

What, do you mean:-

(a) Build a Council HQ annexe on it? Mind you that might be a good idea as the poor devils who work in Waverley Court are subject to 'hot-desking' and other nasty buzzwords which just mean the present site is over-populated.

(b) Use it as a mass-burial ground for abive mentioned individuals?

(c) Convert it into a free car park for the above group.

(d) Other - please stipulate.

50

grantcat,

Old Town 11/02/2009 22:49:39
It would be too easy to crow about this news but really its a damn disgrace. Mountgrange never was bringing £300 million worth of funding, they speculate that they could raise the mony - its based on the economics that have caused the current recession. The council could see nothing but Caltongate and was dazzled by their hyperbole.

What happened to Accord? Do they not want a 5 star hotel and confernce centre in Edinburgh anymore?

As a local resident and campaigner against this site I need to ask - why have I had to waste the last 3 years of my life campaigning against this folly. The lack of consultation and compromise only ever made the whole discussion adveserial from day one.

The development was a modernist fantasy, it could have been a great development if it was genuine and took into consideration the needs of the community, took consideration of listed and historic buildings and the historic grain then a development might have worked but it was not to be.

There needs to be assurances that there will be no demolitions and that the gap site needs to have a plan from the council - short, medium and long! Lets have a real discussion though not just a fait a complait. Fill up the council houses again, find a use for the Sailor's Ark and get businesses back into the Canongate Venture. BUild homes and community resources on council owned land on Calton Road.


 

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