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Published Date:
20 September 2006
DID you have any problems on Monday? Not just the general getting out of bed at the beginning of the week problem. More like problems getting things done. For instance I'd lugged in two suits to take to the dry cleaners on the way to work. Closed. I also had a pile of parcels to drop off at the Post Office on St Mary's Street. Closed.
It took an Edinburgh-born-and-bred colleague to explain - it was a holiday. Mind you, she only knew because when her father-in-law picked up her son from nursery on Friday, they'd asked if he'd be in on Monday. Seeing as it was a holiday they wanted
to know what numbers they could expect.

So a holiday it was - but a bank holiday or a public holiday? And why would September 18 qualify as either for some of Edinburgh's employees? Trying to contact the council, which sets the dates, for some information was no help - they were, er, on holiday.

But Professor Charles Munn, the executive in charge of the Committee of Scottish Clearing Bankers, which includes the Bank of Scotland and the Royal Bank of Scotland, managed to clear up some of the confusion.

Monday wasn't a bank holiday. Bank holidays have a very precise definition, set out in an Act of Parliament in the 19th century and last updated in 1971. This lays down days which are "bank holidays". But as Prof Munn explains: "Banks are not actually required to close on a bank holiday. The law just allows them not to do certain types of business, such as clearing cheques." The 1971 law laid down different bank holidays for Scotland and England, which proved impractical for UK-wide banks.

"So about 20 years ago, the Scottish banks decided it would be more convenient to have the same holidays as the rest of the UK," says Prof Munn. "They tried to get parliamentary approval for a change for about ten years. They didn't get it so about nine years ago they decided just to do it anyway."

As a result there are nine "bank" holidays in Scotland - although there should only officially be eight, but the majority close on Easter Monday to harmonise with the English banks, as well as taking January 2 off, which isn't a bank holiday down south.

Of course none of this means anything to many customers these days who do their banking over the internet or by talking to a call centre in India.

But Monday wasn't a bank holiday. No, this was a local public holiday, set by Edinburgh City Council. It is officially termed the Autumn Public Holiday and is one of two local holidays for Edinburgh - the other is Victoria Day, on May 22 this year - held in honour of Queen Victoria's birthday on May 24.

Glasgow's days are slightly different: May 29, which in a more republican spirit is just termed the Spring Holiday, and its Autumn Day, which is next Monday. There was no explanation forthcoming from the council as to why Monday was made a holiday, but others have theories, such as the dates being decided by local chambers of commerce - which is not the case, according to Graham Bell, press officer with the Edinburgh chamber.

He does admit, however, that the chambers were originally responsible, back in the dim and distant 19th century, for beginning the whole local holiday tradition.

Once upon a time when nearly all of us worked in agriculture, holidays were set by the season - harvest-time you were frantically busy, depths of winter you were sat in your hut whittling bits of wood and wondering whether to slaughter the last cow. But then came the Industrial Revolution and the discovery that workers could be forced to slave all day, every day whatever the weather. And as annual leave entitlement was a 20th century dream, public holidays were introduced as a way of giving workers a break.

Few people had day-to-day dealings with other towns so it didn't matter if they had different days off. And it was a chance for Edinburgh folk to catch up with friends and family while parading up and down Princes Street in their Sunday best or descending en masse to Portobello.

Of course times have changed, and not everyone wants to shut up shop on these designated days, so the result is that a lot of public organisations are closed, while many in the private sector remain open for business.

And fewer families all live, work and go to school in the same council area - or their children are at council nurseries or schools which are shut but their private employer isn't.

In fact, Graham says, many chamber members, particularly the smaller firms, don't close.

"It's the large public sector organisations which take the Edinburgh holidays. The average private sector company can't afford to," he says.

Soon though, one Edinburgh holiday might disappear if MSP Dennis Canavan's Bank Holiday Bill going through the Scottish Parliament becomes law. Local authorities would be asked to give up one of their local days to make November 30, St Andrew's Day, a bank holiday.

But they wouldn't be obliged to - and nor would employers be obliged to give staff the day off.

So will this be a step towards ironing out the public holiday chaos with at least one nationwide holiday? Or will it just add another layer of confusion to the whole situation? Hmm, I wonder.



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  • Last Updated: 20 September 2006 4:24 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: British Holidaymakers
 
1

Grumpy,

20/09/2006 12:13:10

Sorry - run that past me again. Tesco said last Monday was a Bank Holiday.... but it wasn't. And they say the 2nd of January, which IS a Bank Holiday, isn't. So it could be a Bank Holiday, but there again, it could just be a local holiday, and sometimes it could be both a Bank Holiday and a Local Holiday, except if it's maybe going to be a substitute Sy Andrew's Day holiday which won't necessarily be taken on St Andrews Day but will be a subtitute for a Bank Holiday which the people who only get Local Holidays won't be entitled to. Ami I right?

2

Ronjock,

Edinburgh 20/09/2006 12:47:04

Edinburgh District Council has all the official holidays for the year on it's website,. So what's the problem ...too lazy to make the effort to find out, or do you need to have everything handed on a plate.
I think it is a good decision to have holidays for different cities & towns on different days, it reduces congestion in transport among other things ... in England there are massive queues at holiday times ,because practically everybody goes at the same time causing long waits just to move a couple of miles. Brainless!
The Edinburgh statutary holidays are January, Spring, Victoria,September and Christmas, also the Council offices have the dates displayed, as well as on the website. If you are a tenant the council sends details to all tenants when you have to pay the rent, or nothing due to holidays. The bus companies also display the services they provide on holidays .
The banks & supermarkets have upset holidays which have been in place for probably a couple of hundred years.
Why should Edinburgh or any other Scottish city/town change to suit England, or thickheads ... if you come from another country, you should be willing to abide by the laws,customs,languages and religions, or dont bother coming,we dont want bigots here. You have to abide by all these things in most foreign countries ,so why not in Scotland .

3

Herb Aishus,

Midlothian 20/09/2006 13:33:53

So Ron, despite having been born and raised in Scotland I am a bigot because I would like to have the same Monday holiday as my wife? Personally I don't think it’s unreasonable, but maybe you could explain it to me as my take on bigotry is somewhat different.
Odd too that school mid terms don’t always coincide with local/public/bank holidays.
PS – Edinburgh hasn't had a 'District' council for several years, and the world does extend beyond the city boundaries – that may come as a surprise to you?
Oh yes and check your spelling and punctuation before ranting please.

4

Diane,

20/09/2006 14:13:24

Ron, I take it you mean The City of Edinburgh Council. the District Council hasn't existed for about eleven years, so probably does not have a web page.

5

Thomas the Tank,

Edinburgh 20/09/2006 14:45:58

Ron, since you appear to know so much about these things - well, apart from spelling, punctuation and Local Government Reorganisation, can you explain why 'Edinburgh Council' (to save repeating that argument) apparently recognise 5 public (statutary?) holidays yet only 4 'Parking Holidays'? These are, as I recall, Christmas Day (Not Boxing Day - always a feeding frenzy for the Parking Meanies) New Year's Day (Not the 2nd - Ditto) Victoria Day and Easter Monday (but not Good Friday).
Was your rant meant to be serious, by the way?

6

Dunedinhen,

20/09/2006 16:53:14

boxing day and jan 2nd are not recognised as a parking holoday as it would encourage more people to drive into town and clog up the spaces. if anyone wants documented proof, I have an email from the cooncil telling me this when I complained about having to pay on jan 2nd ( a bank holiday)

7

Dunedinhen,

20/09/2006 16:57:59

sorry about the spelling

8

Grumpy,

21/09/2006 06:53:15

Bah Humbug. Why should we have set holidays at all. Why not just add the days to our holiday sheet and let us take the days off when we want to. That way we could synchronise my day off with the wife, and our day off with the school, and be able to go to the bank to get money to take them for a day out to the DFS sale..................


 

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