Help Sitemap Home Skip Navigation Contact Us Disability Statement

 
 
Saturday, 6th September 2008 Change Date

Premium Article !

Your account has been frozen. For your available options click the below button.

Options

Premium Article !

To read this article in full you must have registered and have a Premium Content Subscription with the Edinburgh Evening News site.

Subscribe

Registered Article !

To read this article in full you must be registered with the site.

I can't stomach this EU mince!



Click on thumbnail to view image
Click on thumbnail to view image
Click on thumbnail to view image
Click on thumbnail to view image
Click on thumbnail to view image

Published Date: 28 March 2008
FRENCH President Nicholas Sarkozy has been schmoozing around London these past few days – hob-nobbing with the great and the good, saying how important it is we remain in Europe, etcetera.
Well, I don't buy it – and if ever there was an example of why we were served up a beauty this week. Annex III, Section V, Chapter III, point 2(B) of European Regulation No 853/2004 to be exact.

It's designed to prevent food poisoning from eating steak tartare by ensuring that all beef mince cannot be made from meat that has hung for more than five days.

Given that British meat normally matures for 14-28 days it means any left-overs from butchering will be binned (driving meat costs up) or that cattle will have to be retained only for mince production (also driving the cost up). It goes without saying the mince will be less tasty too!

It takes me back to 1976 when I went to France to see Hibs play against FC Sochaux in Montbeliard. My mate Ian Gilzean and I sat down in a local restaurant. Steak tartare was chosen, as we reasoned it must be steak with tartare sauce – parading our linguistic and culinary ignorance in one easy go.

The waitress hauled out a trolley with a pile of minced beef, onions, garlic, capers, chillies – and an egg. In front of us she chopped the veg, mixed them with the mince and then added the egg yolk. Ian and I joked these French even show you them making a meal before they cook it – only for her to split it between two plates and serve it up cold and raw. We recoiled in disgust – but then ate it and liked it

That was my introduction to steak tartare and 30 years on I love the stuff, it's practically my signature dish in the kitchen.

I find the idea, therefore, that to prevent a very small number of people, mostly in France, from risking a tummy upset, the production of all beef mince for Europe's 280 million population must be regulated – as certifiably mad.

No evidence has been shown that hanging meat for 14-28 days encourages more bacteria to accumulate – the primary factor is the temperature it is stored at, not the time.

Secondly, the most dangerous ingredient of steak tartare is the raw egg – which may have salmonella! And anyone who knows their onions would never buy prepared mince to make steak tartare – they would buy a steak and mince it themselves or ask the butcher to mince a steak on purchase.

The only way to make steak tartare safe is to cook it – which defeats the whole point!

The European project is a taking us down the wrong road to a bigger, more alien, detached society. The French, Sarkozy included, continue to be in love with it.

Steak Tartare is mince, but not as we know it. The French can keep these regulations – after all we know they'll just ignore them anyway.

Neverending Tory?
THERE are days when I wonder how I ever was a Conservative. This Monday was one of them. Dawn Primarolo, the English Health Secretary announced she was considering banning cigarettes from being displayed in shops.

This prim paternalist believes that kids are seduced into smoking by the serried ranks of fag packets on walls – why cigarettes should have such an effect when shelves of toothpaste or condoms don't make them clean their teeth or practice protective sex hasn't occurred to her all-knowing mind. If this wasn't bad enough, David Cameron then said the idea is "worth looking at".

If the Conservative leader can't see that making tobacco smoking more mysterious, more rebellious, more unconventional will also make it more desirable amongst the young then he's in the wrong job. Cannabis smoking has grown immensely while being illegal and without the benefit of shop displays – just ask the question why David. I look at the political parties and I really, really struggle to say there's any that will get my vote next time round.

Unaffordable homes
ONE of the more ridiculous fashions of recent years has been the creation of the term "affordable housing".

Used by politicians and self-serving community activists, one person's affordable house is, however, someone else's king's ransom. Property has been climbing in price for about fifteen years but with the current economic correction that is beginning to change.

Banks and building societies are marginally increasing mortgage rates, reducing their cheaper deals and tightening their qualifications. Just as some people thought they might be able to get on the property ladder they will find it is pulled up from above.

So don't hold your breath for property prices to become more accessible – the new problem will be affordable mortgages!


The full article contains 804 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
Page 1 of 1

  • Last Updated: 28 March 2008 8:34 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Brian Monteith
 
1

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

28/03/2008 12:09:13
Brian , just stop this at once.

2

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

28/03/2008 12:13:31
The requirements of Regulation (EC) No 852/2004 aregenerally sufficient to ensure food safety in establishmentscarrying out retail activities involving the direct sale or sup-ply of food of animal origin to the final consumer.This Regulation should generally apply to wholesale activi-ties (that is, when a retail establishment carries out opera-tions with a view to supplying food of animal origin toanother establishment). Nevertheless, with the exception ofthe specific temperature requirements laid down in thisRegulation, the requirements of Regulation (EC)No 852/2004 should suffice for wholesale activities con-sisting only of storage or transport.(13) Member States should have some discretion to extend orto limit the application of the requirements of this Regu-lation to retail under national law. However, they may limittheir application only if they consider that the require-ments of Regulation (EC) No 852/2004 are sufficient toachieve food hygiene objectives and when the supply offood of animal origin from a retail establishment to anotherestablishment is a marginal, localised and restricted activ-ity. Such supply should therefore be only a small part ofthe establishment’s business; the establishments suppliedshould be situated in its immediate vicinity; and the sup-ply should concern only certain types of products orestablishments.(14) In accordance with Article 10 of the Treaty, Member Statesare to take all appropriate measures to ensure that foodbusiness operators comply with the obligations laid downin this Regulation.(15) The traceability of food is an essential element in ensuringfood safety. In addition to complying with the general rulesof Regulation (EC) No 178/2002 (1), food business opera-tors responsible for establishments that are subject toapproval in accordance with this Regulation should ensurethat all products of animal origin that they place on themarket bear either a health mark or an identification mark.(16) Food imported into the Community is
3

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

28/03/2008 12:15:15
Basically (and I could go on , for years) its all in the small print.

A) We dont have to straighten our bananas
B) We can still eat Prawn Cocktail Crisps if we want
C) LOcal hacks shouldlnt generalise about things they dont understand
D) Long live the 4th Reich ;)
4

Brian Monteith,

Peebles 28/03/2008 12:37:02

Let them eat mince, I say.

Marie Antoinette, thank you for confirming I am right.

Quote: "However, they may limit their application only if they consider that the requirements of Regulation (EC) No 852/2004 are sufficient to achieve food hygiene objectives and when the supply of food of animal origin from a retail establishment to another establishment is a marginal, localised and restricted activity. Such supply should therefore be only a small part of the establishment’s business; the establishments supplied should be situated in its immediate vicinity; and the supply should concern only certain types of products or establishments."

What this means is that supermarkets and butcher supplying mince will have to change their procedures to suit a regulation that is entirely unnecessary and out of keeping with Scottish tradition. Where is the evidence that Scottish or British mince is harmful because of the length of time the beef is aged?

Meanwhile there is sufficient evidence to suggest that salmonella in eggs, especially from some EU countries eggs, offers a health risk for ordinary people but especially pregnant women and those of a delicate disposition – enough to suggest that they should avoid eating fresh mayonnaise and Steak Tartare.

The EU regulation focuses on the wrong target and is completely disproportionate to the risk. Beef mince prices will rise and it will be of poorer quality - while food poisoning from bad eggs will continue.

I suggest you patronise someone else.

Off with your head!


5

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

28/03/2008 12:45:29
Lets wait and see Brian, but hey thanks all the same.

Bon Weekend Monsieur.
6

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

28/03/2008 12:47:25
You know what Brian , frankly I got bored silly sitting in the pubs of Schuman listening to this and as Pro Europe I objected on principle without going further.

You could be right. Probably not though.

7

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

28/03/2008 12:58:58
i admit your superior knowledge on this subject and sorry for butting in Brian.. for what its worth.

Cheers
8

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

28/03/2008 13:15:03
hehehe.
9

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 28/03/2008 14:00:32
"designed to prevent food poisoning from eating steak tartare by ensuring that all beef mince cannot be made from meat that has hung for more than five days."

Fine, let the French (or anyone else) who wants to limit the length of time for hanging meat to not more than 5 days do that. But the EU should leave out on those of us who prefer the longer 14 - 28 days.

I was never in favour the EU/EEC and the quicker it collapses the better.
10

antifa,

28/03/2008 14:28:10
Thanks for those 400 words of madness. Is there any evidence that this regulation has got anything to do with steak tartare? If not, what the hell is this article about? And if so, then why should we care? What percentage of our beef is used for this purpose?

Peter: "I was never in favour the EU/EEC and the quicker it collapses the better." Yes, I'm sure you know best.
11

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 28/03/2008 15:09:08
#10 antifa

"I'm sure you know best."

Antifa, thanks for the accolade.

This is just another example of attempted domination by Brussels.

We should tell them to get lost.

12

Brian Monteith,

Peebles 28/03/2008 15:27:15
Antifa, I suggest you read:

http://www.farmersguardian.com/story.asp?sectioncode=29&storycode=17315

Hardly any meat is used for Steak Tartare in Britain - and if it is prepared properly it is NOT made from bought mince - but from a steak minced by the cook.

My only comment on the Framers Guardian report is that Mince Pies should be made from Mutton not beef if they are authentic, steak mince pies would, however, be affected. Also, Alyn Smith MEP seems to have forgotten that the regulation will affect all British minced beef and not just Scottish mince - that includes the manufacture of Lasagne, Spaghetti Bolognese, sausages, cottage pie etc.


13

Toast,

28/03/2008 15:27:33
The EU sucks,we have a roast joint of some nature every sunday and we always buy is days if not weeks in advance to let it "ripen" In ten years nobody [there are normally 8-14 diners] has had so much as an upset stomach
14

Reckless,

Corrupt EU 28/03/2008 16:36:59
Hate the EU. Will always fight it.
15

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

28/03/2008 17:26:34
This legislation is almost 4 years old.

Even the Tories threw this chancer out.

Learn to LOVE Brian, youll be a lot happier.
16

Andrew Allan,

28/03/2008 18:19:46
Generally I am on the side of the EU, though there are time, as in this case when they do not realize the mistake they have made. Luckily I have found the most huge mistake with this legislation and have sent my findings to a number of SNP MSPs including our first minister Alex Salmond to their parliament email addresses. There will be a number of red faces in Europe next week, and a huge amount of brownie points for the Scottish government.
17

Loki - The Scourge of the Schemies,

EH1 28/03/2008 19:59:19
The French are the best possible chaps if one is looking for someone who excels in waving his arms about in a vigorous manner.
On the question of food, it is my experience that one would be wise not to give the buggers the time of day!
18

Reckless,

Brown the pension robber 29/03/2008 12:28:08
EU membership to cost an extra £1bn
By James Kirkup
Last Updated: 1:10am GMT 29/03/2008

Britain will pay almost £1 billion more to the EU this year, taking the country's total contribution to more than £4 billion.

Vote UKIP!

 

Comment on this Story

 

In order to post comments you must Register or Sign In

 
 
 
  

 
 


Sister Newspapers:
Press Complaints Commission

This website and its associated newspaper adheres to the Press Complaints Commission’s Code of Practice. If you have a complaint about editorial content which relates to inaccuracy or intrusion, then contact the Editor by clicking here.

If you remain dissatisfied with the response provided then you can contact the PCC by clicking here.