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Published Date: 12 June 2008
BUSKING bagpipers have been banned from the Royal Mile and threatened with antisocial behaviour orders if they return.
Police have asked the pipers to sign "Acceptable Behaviour Contracts" promising to stop playing their pipes in Castlehill and Lawnmarket. They face arrest and having their instruments seized if they return, and persistent offenders will be hit with an Asbo.

The move comes after officers were forced to deal with up to 20 complaints a day about noise nuisance in the last year, and gathered the names and addresses of the offending pipers. They then posted out contracts last month to around 20 of them, all of which were returned signed.

Complaints at the top of the Mile immediately ceased, but some pipers simply moved into High Street and Tron Square.

City Centre Sector Inspector Bruce Johnston said the ban would now be extended.

"These pipers are regarded as unlicensed trade and are technically buskers. Most of the pipers do not reside in the city centre and they are receiving quite large sums of money from what they are doing.

"Some of them are coming over from Glasgow, working in shifts and making £80 an hour which they don't pay any tax on so it amounts to quite a good illegal earner.

"There is somewhere in excess of 100 houses with windows looking out on to these areas and most of the complaints have come from residents, some of whom work nightshifts, attend university and study at home, have small children or are very elderly.

"We told the pipers that even though some of them play very professionally they can cause an annoyance and that we have options available to us to deal with it."

The contracts informed pipers that under the Civic Government (Scotland) Act, 1982 they can be prosecuted and may have their instruments seized.

The contract added: "The common law charge of Breach of the Peace (which is an arrestable offence) may also be applicable in these circumstances and one that will be considered . . .

"Furthermore, should further offences be committed the Police will seek to apply for an antisocial behaviour order banning you from playing your musical instrument in the city centre area."

However, one Edinburgh-based piper said the suggestion the buskers were making £80 an hour was "dreamland".

Piper Glyn Morris, 29, from Bruntsfield Place,

said: "I was basically sent a letter saying that if I returned to the Mile I'd be arrested. I've been busking here for years and I can count on my hand the number of times I've been asked to move on.

" There has been a number of buskers coming in from outside and piping up and down the Mile at all hours of the day, and I think they've spoiled it for the rest of us. I think the only way forward is licensing. I'd like to see all of the responsible pipers on the Mile get together and speak with residents to discuss suitable times to play our instruments."

City Centre Councillor David Beckett said he supported the police action. He said: "I can understand how some people may think it detracts from the tourist value of the Mile but at the end of the day we have to look after our residents first."

An exception will be made during the Edinburgh Festival Fringe when pipers will have to pay a £50 performance fee for a 20-minute slot outside the Tron Kirk.

Fringe director Jon Morgan said: "The fee is charged for playing within the Fringe's managed performance space, and performers will benefit from the extra profile and advertising the Fringe has to offer."

The ban raised a mixed reaction from Royal Mile traders. Stuart Smith, manager of Royal Mile Whiskies, said: "I have to say I won't miss them. I understand they're part of the atmosphere, but some of them are just awful.

However, a spokesman for International Newsagents said most of their staff had become "immune" to noise by now. He added: "It's a tourist area and people come to Scotland expecting to hear the bagpipers play."


The full article contains 689 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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1

calum,

12/06/2008 12:10:54
"Some of them are coming over from Glasgow, working in shifts and making £80 an hour which they don't pay any tax on so it amounts to quite a good illegal earner."
- Funny, that's exactly the same as the street prostitutes in Leith and yet both the Deputy Chief Constable and Margo MacDonald wanted that to be "tolerated" in a Zone, officially sanctioned! But not pipers? What a strange place Edinburgh is!
2

Sarcasm,

12/06/2008 12:11:24
"...making £80 an hour which they don't pay any tax on so it amounts to quite a good illegal earner"

Quite a statement from the sector inspector Bruce Johnston.

So the police have names and addresses of people committing a crime and not passing on the info.

Either that or it's defamation.

I'm away to get my pipes just after I've printed this out.
3

SDRAWKCAB,

Edinburgh 12/06/2008 12:16:05
This is an absolute joke. Bagpipes are part of our heritage and our future. to stop people playing them is ridiculous. people who live in the surrounding houses should just deal with it. it's not like they weren't aware of what goes on in the area they moved into by choice.
i love getting off the bus in town and hearing the pipes in the background. it's what makes Edinburgh - Edinburgh.
4

Daft Old Git,

12/06/2008 12:18:00
£80 an hour. That's a figure plucked out the air. If that was true all the fuel tanker drivers would resign and play the pipes
5

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 12/06/2008 12:19:53
"and having their instruments seized if they return"

Both a painful and embarrassing thing to experience in Edinburgh's Royal Mile.

Now, these complaints appear to have been made against the street pipers. I live on the Royal Mile and have only seen very few of these guys (2 or 3 at most).

I am wondering if the complaints were really intended for the low-priced 'tartan' goods shops both on the Royal Mile and in Princes Street. Now the 'noise' (masquerading as Scottish music) produced from these establishments is much worse (in my view) than that produced by a few genuine pipers.

6

Boy Wonder,

12/06/2008 12:21:04
It's ridiculous is what it is! I'm no lover of bagpipes, but if they can't be played in the capital city of the land renowned for them, we may as well be in England!

And if they get £80 an hour, I'm in the wrong job.

Now where did I put my old grandad's accordion???
7

Grumpy,

12/06/2008 12:25:15
So do we assume that the mass pipers who play their way up the Royal Mile to the Tattoo will also get asbos?

Don't mind the pipers if they can proplery - it's the ones that play like they're strangling a cat.........
8

Chris.J,

Edinburgh 12/06/2008 12:32:07
Any chance we could get also ASBOs on the parasitic tartan tat shops that with their loud annoying music?
9

JT,

12/06/2008 12:34:49
#10 You beat me to it! Thats worse than the real pipes as its been manipulated. It cant be one rule for one and not the others. The tat shops are bad enough without the blasts of musak! You can hear it all the way up princes street and it even the music stores dont play their music that loud thats the irony!
10

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12/06/2008 12:36:41
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Pond Hall,

12/06/2008 12:37:25
ba hum bug

and what about all the shop owners with Tacky Recordings of Scots music blaring away from there shops.
12

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12/06/2008 12:40:20
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Ah Bristo,

12/06/2008 12:41:41
#10 & #11

You both beat ME to it. The racket coming out of these Tartan Tat shops is an absolute disgrace.

Let's see if THEY get Asbo's
14

Sarcasm,

12/06/2008 12:48:36
9 "Don't mind the pipers if they can proplery - it's the ones that play like they're strangling a cat........."

You can tell them apart ........
15

aurorablue,

edinburgh 12/06/2008 12:49:18
The place has gone mad! Won't be long before you need a license to bottom burp (wasn't allowed to say f**t - this is exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about)! It's about time the public made a stand against beaurocracy.
16

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12/06/2008 12:49:24
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Sarcasm,

12/06/2008 12:54:44
...most of the complaints have come from residents, some of whom work nightshifts, attend university and study at home, have small children or are very elderly.

Good grief, it no wonder the younger ones are complaining with all that to cope with.
18

It's heading straight for us!,

Edinburgh 12/06/2008 13:00:19
Please come and play outside my house. My neighbours are a couple of miserable old g##s who complain about everything so this might just tip them over the edge...

whats more i'm out during the day ha ha :-)
19

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 12/06/2008 13:09:39
Instead of hassling buskers, why don't they turn their attention to the drunks who are causing trouble and enforce the existing laws so that we don't get any more stupid restrictions imposed on us?

This is typical of the cowardly nazi-state we live in. Crack down on people who are easy targets, whilst ignoring the ones that cause real trouble. I urge all the buskers in Edinburgh to set up their pitch in the streets concerned and start kicking up a racket until the "complainers" apologise.

In the meantime, the police should concern themselves with real criminals instead of acting as the looney council's puppets.
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12/06/2008 13:20:39
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12/06/2008 13:21:17
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Stevie Mac,

Edinburgh 12/06/2008 13:25:02
The shops that blast music, whether its scottish or not, should get Asbos and fined. The pipers need eradicated fom the city, they are a bloody nuisance.

If the police do enforce we will see exactly how brave these pipers are after blowing how brave scotland is in our ears mutiple times a day.

Once we get rid of the pipers we can get to work on the pan pipers.
23

Gastric Antral Vascular Ectasia,

12/06/2008 13:25:44
25.

What rock did you crawl out from under? "beggars from the street that are making (alledgedly) £100/day tax free"? Using the word "alledgedly" (which actually isn't a word) doesn't entitles you to spew out your hate-filled bile. Or is this what you learned during your (alleged) time with the Ku Klux Klan?

24

Stevie Mac,

Edinburgh 12/06/2008 13:27:18
I should say that the potential tax dodging shouldn't come in to it. I don't even know why it is mentioned. If the pipers declared their incomes and paid the appropriate tax they would still be a noise nuisance.

25

Stevie Mac,

Edinburgh 12/06/2008 13:31:56
" "beggars from the street that are making (alledgedly) £100/day tax free"? "

Pathetic!!! Why don't these beggars choose to learn how to pipe and increase their revenue by up to 800% a day?
26

James (1),

12/06/2008 13:36:55
#4 Has a very strange perspective on the problem.

1-It is taken for granted that the pipers were there before all residents.
2-That is is acceptable to play music/noise when ever a person feels like it.

I would suggest that #4 does not work beside nor live beside this noise and as such is why he,she, it does not care who it disturbs.

One more example of a NIMBY person.
27

edinburgh forever,

cardiff 12/06/2008 13:57:41
i worked in the royal mile in january and the pipers drove me loopy to the point i left the job.
28

Douglas Eckhart,

Edinburgh 12/06/2008 14:02:15
probably Walter Scott, played a very mean trick on you.
Dont do this. Dont wear skirts and dont play those things. It's not scottish , its ridiculous
The Genuine Mario Antoinette,
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Either you are a troll or your are just ignorant, possibly both.

Can i suggest that you look up the history of the bag pipes before you let rip?

Bag pipes became popular around Europe from the 12th century and had reached Scotland by the early 14th as records show payment to be made 'to the kings pipers' by 1360s.

There were and are several different types of bag pipes played in Scotland with the Great Highland bag pipe (3 droned and bellow blown) being a firm development of the highlands. By the 16th century they had supplanted the harp as the premier instrument of the highlands. The great piping schools of the Western Isles were established at this time.

Newsflash: Bag pipes were not exclusive to the highlands, only the directly blown great highland bag pipe was.

In the lowlands, a smaller, bellow blown bag pipe set was used, known as the 'lowland pipes' or 'border pipes'. The resulting sound was quite similar to highland pipes except a bit quieter so more suitable for indoor performances (not like irish pipes as some seems to think)

The lowland bagpipes were the premier pag pipes of the lowlands and borders from the early 17th century to the end of the 19th century.

All lowland towns (including Edinburgh) had a town piper to announce important events and bag pipers were used for various functions such as feasts, weddings, dances and other civic events, just as they are now.

We should also be wary of getting to hung up on labels such as 'lowland' pipes, as records show that bellow blown bag pipes were used as far north a Aberdeen, and it is also likely that in the highlands a smaller bagpipe was used alongside the 'great highland bag pipe'.

Highland bag pipes would occasionally be used in the lowlands too as travellin
29

edinburgh forever,

cardiff 12/06/2008 14:03:50
douglas eckhart.....get a life mate!!
30

James2122,

edinburgh 12/06/2008 14:04:13
Ban them, who wants to have them blaring their awful racket!!
And #4 what are you on? "Our heritage" indeed. The bagpipes were a bad joke by the Irish, some of us Scots just didn't get it!!!

The best way to play the pipes is with a pen-knife!!!

Why should we have to listen to them? They are not law abiding as I'm sure none of them pay tax. So they are taking advantage of the fact that people tolerate homeless and vulnerable people who beg for money. Okay a lot of the beggars have alchohol related and other problems. But these pipers are just making easy money and no tax. All the names taken should be asked to show a tax return on the money they have earned. None would have one. Lazy gits the load o them!!!
31

edinburgh forever,

cardiff 12/06/2008 14:05:32
james2122...too right mate,well said
32

Stevie Mac,

Edinburgh 12/06/2008 14:10:51
Douglas Echhart informs us

"Can i suggest that you look up the history of the bag pipes before you let rip?

Bag pipes became popular around Europe from the 12th century and had reached Scotland by the early 14th as records show payment to be made 'to the kings pipers' by 1360s.

There were and are several different types of bag pipes played in Scotland with the Great Highland bag pipe (3 droned and bellow blown) being a firm development of the highlands. By the 16th century they had supplanted the harp as the premier instrument of the highlands. The great piping schools of the Western Isles were established at this time.

Newsflash: Bag pipes were not exclusive to the highlands, only the directly blown great highland bag pipe was.

In the lowlands, a smaller, bellow blown bag pipe set was used, known as the 'lowland pipes' or 'border pipes'. The resulting sound was quite similar to highland pipes except a bit quieter so more suitable for indoor performances (not like irish pipes as some seems to think)

The lowland bagpipes were the premier pag pipes of the lowlands and borders from the early 17th century to the end of the 19th century.

All lowland towns (including Edinburgh) had a town piper to announce important events and bag pipers were used for various functions such as feasts, weddings, dances and other civic events, just as they are now.

We should also be wary of getting to hung up on labels such as 'lowland' pipes, as records show that bellow blown bag pipes were used as far north a Aberdeen, and it is also likely that in the highlands a smaller bagpipe was used alongside the 'great highland bag pipe'."

Its a bloody nuisance noise, isn't it Douglas?
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Douglas Eckhart,

Edinburgh 12/06/2008 14:11:57
Continued__


travelling highlanders often worked essentially as minstrels, plying their trades in the towns, so great highland pipes would be used from time to time in the lowlands but as i have said, the lowland pipes were far more common.

Thus when Burns, in Tam o' Shanter describes the 'deil screwing the pipes' in Alloa kirk, this is quite correct, as bag pipes were commonly used for dances in the lowlands although the 'deil' himslef is likely to have been using lowland pipes.

The lowland pipes went out of fashion towards the end of the 19th century but the great highland pipe increased in fame as the highlanders were allowed to continue using it in the British highland regiments and so the great pipes were exported world wide and have become the most well known and popular of the scottish bag pipes.

I should laso point out here that it is a misconception that the lowland pipes sound like the irish pipes, they do not and shoudl not be confused with irish pipes, even if they are bellow blown. The lowland pipes actually sound very similar to highland pipes, only a bit quieter, making them more suitable for indoor performances - this is why lowland pipes are now popular again for celidhs etc.

Here edeth the lesson, not that you are likely to take much of it in.


34

James2122,

12/06/2008 14:13:36
Yes #36 -- Douglas Eckhart

You really do need to widen your horizons a little. You might perhaps try to liven your life up a little. How about you try ... wait for it... brace yourself .... easy tiger.... keep a grip on yourself. here it comes...

you could maybe go out for a drink or to the pictures. GASP! ... not a 7 hour epic bolivian docu-drama mind.
35

edinburgh forever,

cardiff 12/06/2008 14:13:37
your a sad,sad,sad,sad man dougie boy,il cry for you tonite
36

edinburgh forever,

cardiff 12/06/2008 14:16:14
ha ha ha nice one james!
37

Douglas Eckhart,

Edinburgh 12/06/2008 14:17:20
apologies James and 'edinburgh forever' but as you both appear to be historically challenged, as does Mario, i thought you could do with some historical facts - sorry if that conflicts with your pre-conceived ideas. Never mind.
38

edinburgh forever,

cardiff 12/06/2008 14:19:26
douglas,i totally respect your knowlegde you have of this particular subject,sorry to offend.its just you seemed a bit 'in to it' sorry mare
39

Lang Spoon,

Flanders Fields, Leith 12/06/2008 14:24:31
The only busking piper who deserves an ASBO is that blind lad + dog (Princes St area- avoid!)
Every other piper makes a decent stab at the pipes; he can't, and won't ever!
This is possibly a non-PC comment, but has to be made.
40

Douglas Eckhart,

edinburgh 12/06/2008 14:27:27
I agree with you all however that the eternally looped dirge being churned out of the tat shops at 4 times humanly possible speeds is a plague on the ear. These establishments should be fire-bombed immdediately by a hoard of the queen's highland pipers who will give an active demonstration as to how the pipes should be heard while said tat shops burn to the ground.

41

James2122,

12/06/2008 14:27:29
Awwwww Dougie, don't be disheartened, the truth is that it was all er.. very interesting indeed.
Anyway have you had any time to think about my suggestions? I'm sure you are very knowledgable on Edinburgh's History and Geography. There's a lovely little bar in West Port called the Burke and Hare ( at least it used to be called that) It's very historic and some of the pieces are v. v. intersting, why not check it out sometime??
42

James2122,

12/06/2008 14:30:56
Only kiddin Dougie.
Respect.
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Douglas Eckhart,

Edinburgh 12/06/2008 14:45:26
I did take a parambulation to what I naively assmumed was the historically referenced 'Buke and Hare' public house in Edinburgh's West Port. I assumed that there was historical memorabilia of the legendary Burke and Hare to be found there and perhaps a lecture from one of the local historians on the origins of the establishment.

However, upon my arrival I was shocked to discover several scantily clad ladies rubbing themselves up against stainless steel polls and gesticulating in an overtly sexual manner, so much so that my monacle fell out and I spilled my 12 year old Bowmore single malt all over my Harris Tweed jacket.

I did ask one of the ladies, who was of a foreign persuasion as to whether she could enlighten me as to the historical significance of Burke and Hare and their connection to the establishment. The lady in question said she would show me everythnig I needed to know upon payment of £10.

Unfortunately the whisky was more expensive than I expected and I didnt have enough coinage, so I thanked the lady and returned home to continue reading Michael Lynch's History of the Scottish Nation.
44

Duncan in Edinburgh,

12/06/2008 14:54:04
A friend of mine used to work in an office on the Royal Mile and the pipers really were intrusive. There is a happy medium to be found here, but the free-for-all which resulted in horrible sounds at all hours of the day and evening was not sustainable.
45

THE BPRENTICE,

12/06/2008 14:56:19
they should regulate it like the taxis - allow street entertainers to apply for their license by going in front of a simon cowell style panel...then the CEC could dictate when and where they could do their thing...revenues for licenses - hmrc get a heads up that tax might be due to her maj and if rules are broken, licenses (a source of revenue in their own right) can be confiscated.

Goes against the spirit of the fringe though - amnesty s/be granted for those 3 weeks.
46

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

12/06/2008 15:02:17
#1: Calumn: I think they key difference is between suck and blow.
47

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12/06/2008 15:29:43
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Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 12/06/2008 15:39:13
Does anyone think that the police/local authorities might just be trying to make it look like they are trying to do something about the 'noise' on the RM?

There is no mention of anything being done about the 'noise' (masquerading as Scottish music) from the low-priced 'tartan' goods shops both on the Royal Mile and in Princes Street.

Surely the pipers cannot be as bad as some of these the shops which are open into the late evening?

49

Dibbeth,

Silent Edinburgh 12/06/2008 15:45:49
So, no music in the Royal Mile. Does this mean the Tattoo will be cancelled? More constant noise from that for 6 nights a week and much louder. Girls Aloud might be Girls Silent and Runrig running somewhere else?
Why on earth are the police wasting their time and resources on such measures - yeah to placate the rich and famous (and probably English) who live in the expensive heart of our city.

I agree about the blind piper but the rest of them are damn good and most play with first class bands.

Get rid of the Eastern "tat" psuedo Scottish shops with their awful music first and let the professionals entertain the tourists - which is what they expect.

Better still, if the Police are intent on removing bagpipes from Edinburgh, then perhaps they shouldn't have a pipe band of their own - I can hear them practising from my house, but don't complain.

First remove the beam from your own eye........

Typical bl**dy Edinburgh again.....sigh
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Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 12/06/2008 16:08:27
All pipers who are threatened with ASBOs should immediately head for Hunters Square as it is now unoccupied by winos.

Still I don't like the comment that:

"They face having their instruments seized if they return"

Surely that could only be very unpleasant not to mention painfull.
51

Disappointed of Edinburgh,

Edinburgh 12/06/2008 16:22:54
The so called Tartan Tat shops are of course owned by someone who would no doubt claim that he was being racially harassed if asked to turn down the "music" that blasts out of his establishments.
I agree that his chain of outlets needs closer investigation as I am sure that the music is far too loud
52

mrp,

Edinburgh 12/06/2008 16:35:30
I personally think the complainers need to shut up not the pipers. Tourists coming to Edinburgh expect to see this.
53

piper,

12/06/2008 16:56:13
WHAT about the pipe music coming from the tourist shop,s I.E gold bros and company its the same c@@p day in and day out they should be told to shut up as well
54

McTout,

Edinburgh 12/06/2008 16:58:36
Will the LB Police pipe band stop playing daily in the High Street in the festival, which they have done for years after their 1100 stint at Princes street?
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piper,

12/06/2008 17:05:06
WHAT about the pipe music coming from the tourist shop,s I.E gold bros and company its the same c@@p day in and day out they should be told to shut up as well
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Jam Tarts 1874,

On the Rebound 12/06/2008 17:05:26
If it is disturbing residents then they have every right to complain. There is plenty of room on Princes Street to acccommodate all these buskers where they can play as much as they like without disturbing anyone.

Why should the residents of the Royal Mile have to put up with all the racket? I bet none of you moaners would put up with some chav sitting in his car all day and evening outside your house with the music blaring.
58

Pilrig.,

Livingston 12/06/2008 18:22:05
Scottish music banned from Scottish streets, ye couldnae make it up.
For 'local residents' read lawyers and civil servants.

AND notice there is to be an exception during the Festival, where control of the Tron - City Chambers part of the Royal Mile is handed over to the jumped-up wee fascists of the Fringe.
59

Pilrig.,

Livingston 12/06/2008 18:25:16
20 Mario Antionette, wow, what a bona fide Scottish moniker !
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 12/06/2008 18:32:05
56 an example of the control freakery which rules the roost of Embra, regional capital of North Britain.
61

Pilrig.,

Livingston 12/06/2008 18:34:18
63 next you'll be tellin us that there's such a thing as real Scottishness.
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Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 12/06/2008 19:05:30
#70 Pilrig

"For 'local residents' read lawyers and civil servants."

Sorry to tell you Pilrig, you couldn't be more wrong, I live on (or just off the Royal Mile) I am certainly not in a high status job, nor are some of my neighbours. This is a part of town where the residents come from all walks of life and all social classes and, surprise, surprise, we all mix well and agreeably.

These pipers are being picked on unfairly, the 'cut-price', 'Heeland Hame' gift shops are certainly as bad, perhaps an insuffucient number of residents have complained about them for fear of being branded 'rasicts'.

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jdships,

12/06/2008 19:09:21
Would like to see the music from the "Tripper Fodder" shops being turned off .
Good to know , however, that some ratepayers are getting a response from the "Polis"
Interesting it should be in EH1 that gets the attention
which is understandable given the number of officers patrolling the city centre at any given moment
In EH5 it took Leith's finest 56 hours to turn up at my neighbours after he reported his car vandalised.
Then it was at 14.00 hrs when the family were all at work.
Incidentally the officers never came back .
Now just another statistic - sad.

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fmuldar,

New Jersey, USA 12/06/2008 19:09:57
I wonder if all these people who say these guys are part of "Scottish Heritage" would still say the same foolishness if "THEY" lived in an Flat directly above this 'Whining" "NOISE" 10HRS A DAY--& into the night!
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frannylee,

Penicuik 12/06/2008 19:31:26
the police will do nothing about the racket coming out of the tat shops because of political correctness.
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3 bears,

12/06/2008 19:38:48
If the pipers stood outside a tartan tat shop and mimed,would they still get an asbo.
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James (1),

12/06/2008 20:58:05
#75 What happened to his car? Did they steal the wheels? Unable or is it unwilling to drive to the police station?
Surely your neighbour is not confined to his home or the police would have got an answer?

So the question has to be "why does you neighbour not get off his butt and go to a police station?"
I know, what an outrageous suggestion. Is this neighbour Gorgie Tony? He is another one who expects a home visit. This man is still waiting on a home visit for his call in July 2007.
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tumshie heid,

12/06/2008 21:24:51
#76
perhaps if I had bought a house on The Royal Mile I would have expected to hear pipemusic? The people in question are just like the fools who buy a house above a pub or next to an airport or racetrack and then complain about the noise.
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THE BPRENTICE,

12/06/2008 21:51:23
58 The Genuine Mario Antoinette - cheers.

72 Pilrig.,Livingston

you wote:
"56 an example of the control freakery which rules the roost of Embra, regional capital of North Britain."

...I'm not negating your right to be against rules...but answer me this - who has more rights (morally): the person free to roam the earth miming or playing their bagpipes anywhere they choose OR the poor moose stuck in an office having to listen to the free-spirits below.

Surely my suggestion was a compromise (the simon cowell panel was obviously a bit tongue in cheek).
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jdships,

12/06/2008 22:09:44
84 James (1),
Time to chill out for you methinks !!
Why shouldn't we expect the police to call at premises when a crime has been committed ?
They find it very easy to hide behind the rule book and the uniform when they wish to make life easy for themselves.
This instance was one of several which had happened in the district and no one has been identified by the plods.
72

Pilrig.,

Livingston 12/06/2008 22:45:29
77 - who's going to do the judging ? The cooncillors ? they're a clueless bunch at best. Or maybe the apparatchiks of the Fringe ? or maybe their soul mates the traffic wardens ?
Welcome to ControlFreakburgh.
73

Pilrig.,

Livingston 12/06/2008 22:47:29
85 - for once Tony you're spot on !
74

Pilrig.,

Livingston 12/06/2008 22:52:50
87 - as I wrote earlier for 'residents' read lawyers and civil servants. meantime while L & B's "finest" are chasing pipers some poor b*gger's hames getting burgled.

Compromise ? any art which compromises is mere tat
75

moral___superiority_,

12/06/2008 23:00:12
Superb News.

Listening to these pipers is like enduring a form of torture.

It must be dreadful for the people who live there.
76

James (1),

12/06/2008 23:14:17
#88 jdships and I doth say unto you verily that yon rapscallion hath not the decency to perambulate to gaol and speaketh with the constables. He is but a poltroon for if he were braver could have made his report saving said constables much time. What thinkest you know?
77

Huntygowk,

Edinburgh 13/06/2008 10:34:10
Absolutely ludicrous. The council accept tacky flea market trinket shops on the royal mile that blare out cheesy music all day, but ban people playing our national music? What on earth is going on?

Surely there is a compromise available somewhere. Licensing pipers and agreeing times to play with residents seems like a far more reasonable way forward than a blanket ban.

And £80 an hour. I know some pipers who busk and this amount is absolute rubbish and seems like it has been fabricated out of no where.



78

Pilrig.,

Livingston 13/06/2008 11:58:38
94 - bagpipes from 2 am till 5 am ? you'd better fix the clocks in yer hoose.
79

Pilrig.,

Livingston 13/06/2008 11:59:15
What IS art ?
80

Andy Pandy,

I'm waiting on today's comment board 13/06/2008 13:05:22
I'm not allowed to say what I was going to say. What are we allowed to do these days?
81

Ken C,

edinburgh 30/05/2009 13:39:23
As an ex-resident of the Mile / Tron Kirk area I have to say I was probably the first on the phone.
If you have ever had to listen to pipers every day outside the window, it is enough to drive you mad, well done the police it took you long enough.
And as for the fringe charging for pipers to play there during the festival - well disturbance of the peace is disturbance of the peace, if everyone keeps complaining they will lose their licence - power to the locals !!

 

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