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Public drinking crackdown set to hamper the summer picnic



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Published Date: 08 March 2008
ENJOYING a glass of wine with a picnic on the beach would be banned under a proposed crackdown on public drinking in East Lothian.
The by-laws, which are currently out for public consultation, would ban the consumption of alcohol at popular beaches such as Yellowcraigs, John Muir Country Park and Aberlady Bay.

However, some local residents fear the ban could affect popular ev
ents and even drive tourists away from the area.

The new laws would also cover Dirleton, West Barnes, the John Muir Country Park, Gullane, Longniddry, North Berwick and its coastal area, Ormiston, Prestonpans, Musselburgh, Tranent and Wallyford.

Many East Lothian town centres already have public drinking bans, but the new measures would widen the legislation to include whole towns and seafront areas.

Anyone caught breaking the by-laws would face a fine of up to £500.

Stuart Smith, a member of North Berwick Community Council, said he hoped the police would be able to use common sense to enforce the law. "Personally I do have a slight problem with this covering a beach like Yellowcraigs, as it is used by a lot of people for barbecues in the summer months, and most of them will be in the evenings, and will not cause anyone a problem," he said.

"I can see why we need the by-law, although I have heard there are concerns from the police as to how exactly they will be able to enforce it over such a widespread area.

"My hope is that they will use common sense, so that the new measures allow them to deal with troublemakers, but will not force them to break up a small family outings because someone has a bottle of wine."

The North Berwick ban, including Yellowcraigs, would only apply from 6pm-6am Friday to Sunday, but areas like John Muir Country Park would see a permanent ban, with Hogmanay the only exception.

Adam Sneddon, a member of Dunbar Community Council, said: "There was some concern about the idea of banning drinking at John Muir Country Park, because it is used by a lot of people for barbecues and picnics, but I think most people felt we either had the law or we didn't – you can't go around breaking it up, saying it applies to one place but not another.

"So yes, this could cause a few problems, although I don't think it will stop families going to the beach to enjoy a day out."

Licensing officer PC David Baillie admitted officers do have a power of discretion, but warned the by-laws, if brought in, would be enforced.

"The aim of these laws is to give us another tool to help combat antisocial behaviour," he said. An East Lothian Council spokeswoman said: "These new by-law proposals have been drawn up following new Scottish Government guidance regarding the public drinking of alcohol.

"The areas covered have been widened to take into account local community concerns regarding alcohol misuse. The plans are currently out for consultation, and we would encourage all residents to look at the plans and comment on them."





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  • Last Updated: 08 March 2008 1:36 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Alcohol & binge drinking
 
1

Leighsa,

Southside 08/03/2008 14:26:19
Is there some reason why people can't enjoy a barbecue or a picnic without alcohol? I wasn't aware it was a necessity.
2

Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 08/03/2008 14:27:54
Miserable puritans. How they hate people enjoying themselves!
3

The Judge,

08/03/2008 14:30:05
Who is going to enforce these rules? There aren't enough police on the streets as it is.
4

Nikostratos,

08/03/2008 14:51:10
brown bag
5

Resolutions,

08/03/2008 15:02:12
#1 and #3 I was not aware it was a necessity to have wine at a picnic either and the police are in short enough supply as it is.

Now I am not familiar with the area concerned, so please can someone enlighten me. How do you get to these places? If by car - maybe just maybe there is a point, is'nt there?
6

AndrewS,

Edinburgh 08/03/2008 15:24:36
Are these not the same councils seeking tourists ?
The public consultation as usual will be limited to those who agree with the proposals.
7

AB_R,

08/03/2008 16:34:27
Would this new by-law also include people who have nipped out of the pub to have a smoke?

We already have more than enough laws to deal with any form of anti-social behaviour, most (if not all) would be covered by breach of the peace.

#6 - the majority of these places are villages or towns, so people actually live there, no need for a car. Not that anybody would have a picnic at the big park in Wallyford, but this would also cover the annual gala day.
8

Frank Booth,

08/03/2008 16:36:41
This isn't a matter of whether people can enjoy picnics or barbecues without alcohol or whether most people drive to the locations, those matter are completely irrelevant. It's a matter of people having the freedom to do so if they wish, without someone trying to fine them.
9

Hector Goodrich (Dr),

Gillin pronounced 'Gullane'. 08/03/2008 18:05:49
An excellent prospect as the beaches in my immediate vicinity tend to attract the dreggs of society who are, frankly, too stupid to drink in a responsible manner.
I will speak to my councillor and instruct him to introduce an amendment that would permit the more responsible among us to enjoy an agreeable beach luncheon served with a drinkable wine.
10

bill inch,

EDINBURGH 08/03/2008 18:32:51
Who is the winner here, the Louts or the PC brigade
11

Resolutions,

08/03/2008 18:52:53
#11
Dunno! Flip a coin?

#8 But surely it is not just the local residents who have picnics on the beach?

#9 Yes if the police would enforce the law instead of being totally invisible as they are here.(Mind you, is this the area of the force, searching for minatures and spending a fortune? They've nae bawbees left for ordinary polis work)
12

Pond Hall,

near the beach 08/03/2008 19:30:52
Picnic on the beach, not down our way.

your more likley to catch something from sitting down on the beach, more like shi**ing on the beach


AndrewS,
Edinburgh 08/03/2008 15:24:36
Are these not the same councils seeking tourists ?
The public consultation as usual will be limited to those who agree with the proposals...
ie the LOCALS who live in East Lothian, IF YOU WANT A DRINK GO TO A PUB
13

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 08/03/2008 21:31:28
The Judge @#3,
"Who is going to enforce these rules?"

Who do you think,?

'THE ALCOHOL WARDEN' 'of-course'

Another new job title!

'Warden this Warden that'! lets be 'DONE WITH IT!

AND HAVE A WARDEN IN YOUR HOUSE! and watch your every move....'fines for this, fines for that'!
14

DEAS,

08/03/2008 22:05:48
#6 You say "if you get to these places by car maybe, just maybe there is a point". By that I take it you mean it will encourage drink driving? Maybe your are a lonely person, Resolutions nae mates! If I go out for a drink whether to the pub or the beach and we drive there we have a nominated driver who does not drink alcohol. Get out more, meet people, you'll find a friend
15

COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 09/03/2008 00:16:55
FLORIDA STOPPED ALL BOOZE ON THE BEACHES IT WAS NICE TO SIT IN THE SHADE WITH A NICE COLD BEER NO MORE
16

Dan.D.Nong,

Freedom! 09/03/2008 01:11:38
Ah. Remember the good old days when America and the UK were countries where freedom was valued. Now it appears that the only people free are the criminals. The rest of us have to put up with the laws made by people who know what is better for us that we do. Oh, how sad.
17

Mallory,

Edinburgh 09/03/2008 02:27:11
Its just spin and headlining to try to persuade us they are doing something.. a serious crackdown on street boozing would ban all those cheap tables and chairs which block the pavements..
18

AndrewS,

Edinburgh 09/03/2008 02:56:17
The article on the proposed promenade around Leith,Granton, and Seafield made a great emphasis on people with barbecues in the photo mock-up. Will alcohol be banned there too ? No doubt Leith Town Council will follow the example of the nutters in East Lothian and try to kill any enjoyment.
19

Kenbophaw,

Saudi Arabia 09/03/2008 10:33:46
What could be better than a nice Weatherpoons with it's own private picnic area!
20

Thomas the Tank,

Edinburgh 09/03/2008 11:20:57
#19- sorry to interrupt your rant but there's not been a 'Leith Town Council' since 1922. But I agree in principle - this is another piece of nonsense introduced by idiot, toytown politicians desperate to be 'Seen to be Doooing Something' about a 'problem'. The police were always able to deal with disorderly drunks but an old-fashioned 'Breach' is now frowned on by the PC/Human Rights Brigade. So the 'Law of Unintended Consequences' means we all have to accept another restriction on liberty.

 

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