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Nightclub spot-checks turn into tea party



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Published Date: 15 April 2008
THEY were supposed to be the spot-checks to help bring calm to some of Edinburgh's wildest pubs and clubs. But "surprise" visits by members of the city's licensing board to bars and clubs at the centre of complaints from neighbours bore more of a resemblance to a late-night tea party.
Rather than carry out unannounced checks of the establishments, Edinburgh's licensing chief, Councillor Marjorie Thomas, forewarned the handful of bars and clubs of her visits – even giving one bar enough time to lay on tea and scones for the nightclub-weary group.

The casual "spot-checking" has raised concerns among residents and traders, who don't feel that councillors are getting a realistic picture of the problems caused by Edinburgh's bar and club scene.

However, Cllr Thomas today insisted the exercise was worthwhile and said that she was already planning more visits.

The licensing board regularly handles applications for late licences beyond 11pm, but in January, plans were unveiled to check-up on bars or clubs.

The idea was that councillors could make decisions based on their own experiences.

On Friday night, the councillor, along with two other members of the licensing board and two plain-clothed police officers, made their first visits to six bars and clubs between 10pm and 1.30am.

Of those, Cabaret Voltaire and City nightclub were given advance warning of the group's visits. CC Blooms, GHQ, Amicus Apple and Tollcross club Lava and Ignite were not, but bar owners were warned by police officers just before the visits took place.

Bill Cowan, planning secretary for Edinburgh Old Town Association, said that the exercise did not give the whole picture. Mr Cowan, who also owns Ah Ha Ha Ha joke shop in the Grassmarket, said: "I think if you are going to go round the bars you should do it unannounced at the times there are most likely to be problems.

"Things have improved, but you still get vast numbers of people standing outside – especially now because of the smoking ban.

"I'm not saying what the councillor did was wrong, but she is only getting part of the story."

Cllr Thomas said that the idea was simply to get a feel for Edinburgh's nightlife.

She said: "We weren't there to catch people out with bad behaviour. We were just trying to see if people were staggering out or throwing up in the gutter.

"The idea was to get a feel for what Edinburgh is like on a Friday night.

"Where bars knew we were coming it was out of courtesy and when we stopped off for a cup of tea, it was just for a break."

She said she felt that the experience had been encouraging. She said: "It was well worth seeing how these bars and clubs work. I was very impressed with the whole set-up.

"We saw that the owners were trying very hard to make things better. There didn't appear to be many drunk people about."

However, she added: "It is important these establishments keep a good relationship with their neighbours. The night-time economy is important, but it is also important it is policed properly."


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  • Last Updated: 15 April 2008 12:18 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Alcohol & binge drinking
 
1

Buggalugs,

15/04/2008 12:35:02
Quote "Mr Cowan, who also owns Ah Ha Ha Ha joke shop in the Grassmarket, said: "I think if you are going to go round the bars you should do it unannounced at the times there are most likely to be problems."

Would this be the same costume shop that sells assorted accessories to stag and hen night parties thus profiting from the very people who contribute to the problem?
2

fresian,

edinburgh 15/04/2008 12:44:52
buggalugs, I hardly think selling a few bunny ears makes the guy resposible for drunken violence...get real
3

alex patersons English teacher,

15/04/2008 12:50:39
2
This resposible guy,do you use him once and throw him away.
4

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

15/04/2008 12:56:56
"There didn't appear to be many drunk people about."

and

"It is important these establishments keep a good relationship with their neighbours"


Jesus , i thought i was coseted.

This isnt the edinburgh i know and she surely isnt speaking about the hellholes "lava and Ignite" .



5

Buggalugs,

15/04/2008 13:02:43
#2 I didn't say he was responsible, I said it contributed to the problem. Edinburgh markets itself as a destination for stag and hen parties and then complains about the consequences. I live in the area most affected by this. Pavements and closes are vomit splattered, broken glass strewn virtual no-go areas from Thursday evening till Monday afternoon. Fights break out between the hours of 2 and 4 pm pretty much every weekend....an when I look out of my window, more than a few of the culprits are wearing silly hats or bunny ears - in fact the women are the worst.
6

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

15/04/2008 13:17:53
5 Obviuosly the Cooncil should start going to these clubs in the afternoon as that is when the trouble breaks out.

Thanks , you are a good citizen to pass on this information, and to grass up the comedy shop owner. Where did you get your ears ?
7

Paul Voltaire,

15/04/2008 13:20:47
Ban Hen nights altogether and the toon would be a much quieter place.
8

Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 15/04/2008 13:24:59
Is it a problem? If I want peace and quiet I don't go to the city centre late at night and I don't buy a flat over a pub or club.

Live and let live.
9

Cynicaltalk,

E Lothian 15/04/2008 13:27:47

#5

Surely if Edinburgh markets itself as a Stag/hen location, all the people who are visiting the city with the intention of dressing up will bring their costumes with them? God knows you see enough of them arriving at the airport/train stations of a weekend.

So surely it is purveyors of comedy outfits in other cities who are creating this problem?
10

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

15/04/2008 13:31:22
8 You need to be made to understand.
11

NorT,

Edinburgh 15/04/2008 13:36:58
If they are spot checks then that is what they should be - carried out without any advanced warning. Those who had warned the occupiers should be ashamed of themselves and reported to the appropriate authorities for perverting the course of justice.
12

Salvatori,

15/04/2008 13:42:39
8 - Yep everyone evacuate the city centre, you have no right to live there if you wish to experience civilised society.

Just tell us where your house is and we'll all get blootered, follow you home, kick over your bins, trash your car and scream abuse up at your windows until $am in the morning.
13

Chris L,

15/04/2008 13:48:35
speaking from experience edinburgh has one of the safest nightclub and bar scenes in the country.
14

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

, Newington 15/04/2008 13:52:34
It seems that Councillor Thomas thinks "Incognito" is a nightclub in the Grassmarket.
15

Salvatori,

15/04/2008 13:56:38
Maybe Ingocnito is jsut a very difficult place to find.
16

Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 15/04/2008 14:02:09
#12, silly. If you want to live somewhere lively and noisy, choose the city centre. if you want to live somewhere quiet, don't.

As I say, live and let live.
17

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

15/04/2008 14:07:22
16 Silly, these people arent living and let living , theyre getting drunk and being tossy.
18

Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 15/04/2008 14:08:04
#16, so if you don't want that sort of thing where you live, why did you buy a house/flat there?
19

jabberjocky,

edinburgh 15/04/2008 14:09:05
there were about 15 guys beating one guy up in the middle
of tollcross after lava and ignite at 3am on friday - havent seen any reports of it here - it's clear where the evening news sympathy lies.
20

Salvatori,

15/04/2008 14:10:02
Lively and noisy or hooliganism on a mass scale - a big difference, and not so silly afterall.
21

Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 15/04/2008 14:16:35
#20, if I bought a flat just next to Tynecastle or Easter Road would I be justified in moaning about football noise on Saturday afternoons and trying to get the football matches banned?
22

Salvatori,

15/04/2008 14:23:35
No, but if you lived on the edge of the city centre, you still would have the right to complain if your car got trashed every weekend by immature imbeciles who can't handle the bevvy.

On my street a few years back a group of p*ssed up idiots picked up a cooker left out on the street or collection and threw it through the window of a basement flat into a childs bedroom. There a big difference between a bit of noise and acts of hooliganism like that. Shouldn't matter where you live.

Incidentally feel free to post a map outlining the boundary in the city where the "live and let live" area extends, and I'll take immediate steps to move to the periphery.
23

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

15/04/2008 14:38:30
21 , You're a bit too scottish and accepting for my liking.

Other cities dont have hoards of young assholes drunk , urinating in doorways (and thats just the women) , screaming , shouting , fighting etc.

I dont necessarily agree that its a fair and natural way to behave wherever you are and I dont even live in the city.
24

brettgallacher,

edinburgh 15/04/2008 15:22:17
if they had tea and biccies thats a bribe and a criminal offence
25

Jenny MacArthur,

15/04/2008 15:32:06
Anyone serious about inspecting anything does it unannounced. Anything else is PR spin.
26

Go Gorgie Dalry,

15/04/2008 15:36:50
Other cities dont have hoards of young assholes drunk , urinating in doorways (and thats just the women) , screaming , shouting , fighting etc.

-----------------------------------

Oh yes they do. I've been to Glasgow, Aberdeen, Newcastle, Manchester and Liverpool for nights out in the last year and it is pretty much the same everywhere.
27

Go Gorgie Dalry,

15/04/2008 15:49:06
Other cities dont have hoards of young assholes drunk , urinating in doorways (and thats just the women) , screaming , shouting , fighting etc.

-----------------------------------

Oh yes they do. I've been to Glasgow, Aberdeen, Newcastle, Manchester and Liverpool for nights out in the last year and it is pretty much the same everywhere.
28

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

15/04/2008 15:49:35
25 I meant not in the Mental Hospital of the UK.
29

James (1),

15/04/2008 15:56:15
Prior warning seems to be the way of doing things these days.
Mobile speed cameras being used so lets tell the motorists where and when they will be used?
Now that will catch them.
30

Finbarr Saunders,

15/04/2008 18:11:21
A completely pointless farce.

Cllr Marjorie Thomas now has even less credibility.

If such a thing were possible.
31

The Judge,

15/04/2008 18:44:29
Another 2 officers taken off the streets for nothing more than PR spin, I hate to say it but this lot make New Labour look competent.
32

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15/04/2008 20:41:20
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33

Flitcraft,

Tollcross 15/04/2008 22:02:37
Inevitably you have to put up with a fair bit if you live in the city centre. Up to a point,it's part of the local colour, but it's become a one way street where people who live and work in the City Centre are now expected to tolerate any level of noise and vandalism, at any time, to line the pockets of club owners, and to humour their clientele who can't get pissed without behaving like a chimp on a rampage. I would love to see the councillor stand in the middle of Home Street between 3-4am after Lava and Ignite has chucked out, she'd get a more realistic picture then.







34

Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 15/04/2008 22:18:25
I notice the establishments favoured by the gay sector were not warned in advance - does this suggest the libdem/snp council are homophobic? It would not surprise me if this was the case.
35

gotalottosay,

east lothian 16/04/2008 13:54:53
no warnings should be given and then you catch them out or at it whatever the case may be. giving advance warnings surely gives them poortunities in advance to right situations. its a disgrace. whats the point I ask

 

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