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Published Date: 24 March 2009
MORE than 1600 people across the Lothians are claiming disability benefits because they are alcoholics.
New figures released under freedom of information laws have revealed for the first time the extent to which those on incapacity benefits are battling with alcohol problems, with 1110 such claimants in Edinburgh last year alone.

Although alcoholism is cited as the main reason for claiming benefits, alcoholics getting disability benefits are also likely to have other health problems, such as mental health issues, which prevent them working.

Alcoholics account for around four per cent of the 39,250 people across the Lothians claiming incapacity benefit.

Health watchdogs today said alcoholics needed government benefits support while trying to battle their addictions.

Edinburgh Pentlands Tory MSP David McLetchie said: "People will be surprised that alcohol is specifically cited as the cause of a disability and is a factor in so many benefit claims. Obviously we would need to see Scotland-wide figures to gauge the significance of the Edinburgh statistics but it does demonstrate that alcohol is a serious problem for so many.

"The key thing is to encourage responsible drinking by responsible people but also provide the support services for those who do have a recognised problem with alcohol."

There were 587 deaths from alcohol across Edinburgh in the last five years, which is just below the overall Scottish average.

Alcohol Concern's chief executive Don Shenker said: "Recovery times for people with alcohol misuse problems understandably may be long, as dealing with such conditions is often both physically and mentally demanding.

"The Government has proposed substance-related assessment for drug and alcohol users as a condition of receiving benefit, but they need to combine this with ensuring the quantity and quality of treatment services is satisfactory across all parts of the country.

"Many people claiming disability benefits would prefer to be employed.

"However, with the access level for alcohol treatment at only one in 18, thousands of people are not receiving the support they need to help them get back to work."

A total of 62 people died from liver cancer last year, the highest number since records began in 1980.

A spokeswoman for the Department for Work and Pensions said: "The medical condition recorded on the incapacity benefit claim form does not itself confer entitlement to incapacity benefits."

She added: "It is important to note that, where someone has more than one diagnosis or disabling condition, only the predominant one is currently recorded."


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  • Last Updated: 24 March 2009 12:33 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Alcohol & binge drinking
 
1

alfonsa pedrosa,

embra 24/03/2009 11:58:05
The correct figure is,1,601.
2

nSyratzcGlaw,

24/03/2009 11:58:06
"However, with the access level for alcohol treatment at only one in 18, thousands of people are not receiving the support they need to help them get back to work."

Thats the rub. Theres not a lot of real help (chucking money at them doesnt really count). Especially if they are single and lacking family support.

Anyway, roll on the daily mail type comments from those in denial or the ones who still dont understand it's defined as a disease.

Something has to be done folks, scotland is drowning in booze.
3

Xena - Warrior Princess,

24/03/2009 12:00:04
It's enough to drive you to drink. Their benefits will go up to pay for the increase in alcohol prices, it's the rest of us who won't be able to afford a drink.
4

nSyratzcGlaw,

24/03/2009 12:07:49
David McLetchie , i have news for you - I'm not suprised at all that Alcoholism is a major cause of incapacity, especially in scotland.

Neither would anyone else be that walks about with their eyes open.
5

elayne,

24/03/2009 12:19:04
while i understand alcoholism is an illness,surely giving people money is sending out the wrong signals,as it may go to feed addiction,not be used for food,bills etc
6

totally indecent,

24/03/2009 12:25:41
Yeah elayne - I want to hear about your experience with the one armed guy in Gorgie. Was he any good?

By the way what happened to full.stop.man?
7

an interested party,

24/03/2009 12:29:56
Alcoholism might be the end result but it the majority of cases its only one of the factors in the persons well being (or lack there of) and easier to measure

compounded by lack of local govt support schemes leave them on IB much to the ire of the daily mail readers and co who only wish to pour scorn on ... anyone / everything

if scorn fixed problems then these boards could fuel a rehabilitation revolution
8

elayne,

24/03/2009 12:30:26
#8,no good im afraid,(he also annoyed 2 nurses in flat up the road).....(lots of full stops).
9

Russell339,

Edinburgh 24/03/2009 12:33:58
So, at a time when many decent, hardworking folk are being made redundant, we are throwing money away on a bunch of spongers who can't control their drinking habits!

This is the government's gift to the nation, a completely unsustainable welfare system that rewards people when they choose to mess up their lives. Surely it's about time people starting taking a bit of responsibility for themselves. Relying on drink is a choice, it is not an illness; perhaps we need to cut benefits to force these people to take a look at themselves and sort their lives out.

#7 We should be taking their kids away from them, clearly an alcoholic is not a suitable parent!!
10

totally indecent,

24/03/2009 12:39:11
Well said Russ well said.
11

nSyratzcGlaw,

24/03/2009 12:42:44
11 Thanks ross we have been waiting on that for some time.

Now if you get knocked down in the street me and the ambulance guys will stand and tut , call you stupid for walking in front of a car and suggest you stiffen your lip a bit. And buy the daily mail.
12

James (1),

24/03/2009 12:49:29
Instead of giving them money to feed their "illness" give them food vouchers, clothing vouchers and pay their rent direct. That way they have no money worries.
The big flaw doing this would be they would not have money to drink and that must be a human rights issue?
13

steve 1511,

aberdeen 24/03/2009 12:49:54
why do we have to support jakies and drugies whos so called diseases are self inflicted and make no effort to to stop ,next we will be paying for holidays to the the worlds hot spots for sun tan addicts,we are reaching the stage where the minority who are resposible with their lives in this country are supporting the majority who are irresponsible,drink,drugs pension,morgages,credits for having kids,what next will we have to pay for, as we are ripped off at every oppurtunity by the lybour sleaze and corruption party



WE ARE DOOMED WITH BROON,DOOOMED
14

nSyratzcGlaw,

24/03/2009 12:55:38
why do all the daily mail ones have a funny number at the end ?
15

elayne,

24/03/2009 13:02:04
#7 no one said that!as someone else suggested,give them food vouchers etc,then at least their kids would be fed!
16

Russell339,

Edinburgh 24/03/2009 13:14:39
#13/18 I can only assume you have not the basic education level to form a well structured response. The comparison between a moments oversight, which would see someone knocked down in the street, and chronic alcoholism is truly laughable.

My name is not Ross; furthermore, 'ambulance guys' are generally known to everyone with a high school edcuation as paramedics.

You obviously have some sort of complex over the Daily Mail, not sure where that would come from, perhaps not enough pretty pictures and too much reading for you, although I myself have never read it.

You are obviously more than happy for your council/income tax to be spent on alcoholics. How much tax do you pay on minimum wage?
17

elayne,

24/03/2009 13:51:29
#20,id like my tax to be spent on better things too!no one denies alcoholics need care etc,and i do sympathise with those who have this problem,but it seems unfair when one hears of genuinely disabled people who are knocked back for those type of benefits.
18

The Ayrshire Bard,

24/03/2009 13:57:09
I believe it is totally wrong to describe an addiction such as alcohol or drugs as a disability. Such people may well be in need of help but paying a disability allowance seriously distorts the funds available to support genuinely disabled people.
However, this method of payment obviously works to the advantage of our masters at Westminster and allows them to ignore the increasing problems.
19

adogcatcherwearsauniformto,

musselburgh 24/03/2009 13:57:48
#20 That will be apart from the ones called ambulance technicians. As for the Dailey Mail, I can only guess that you look at pictures as well?

If someone has a mental health problem such as yourself and they use alcohol to deal with their issues instead, are they alcohol dependant or an alcoholic. Do you understand the difference, do you care ?

What happens if you loose your high powered job and being unable to cope turn to alcohol for solice, should we offer you help or go nah F+ck off, which seems to be your attitude.

The bigger issue surely is the poor level of support to help the alcoholic or the family who have to live with this illness as well.


20

adogcatcherwearsauniformto,

musselburgh 24/03/2009 14:01:44
#21 and #22

So how do you think that we define GENUINE disabled, they can't walk, maybe how about see or deaf are they disabled, what about downs syndrome or ODD, maybe an ABI what about heart attacks, or an agrophobic, someone addicted to painkillers because they have been over prescribed by their GP.


Welcome to your Brave New World
21

DROK,

24/03/2009 14:22:40
Hic, fing is, hic, s'not really 'n addiction is it? Or gambling neither, whoever died from sheer withdrawal? Barbiturates-sszzh, now THAT's an, hic, addiction.
22

nSyratzcGlaw,

24/03/2009 14:27:42
russel If i cared about you or your analretention- I would retort that you obviously are subhuman and "abitofaprick".

However, I don't - so consider your stupid self lucky.
23

nSyratzcGlaw,

24/03/2009 14:31:10
24

Someone with Down Syndrome has something wrong with their brain (amongst other pyshical attributes).

Someone with alcoholism has something wrong with their brain.

Are we living in an age where we cannot comprehend or understand Mental illness - in scotland of all places ?!

Too many trees to see the wood ?

Russell, if you would like to come out the dark ages I would be quite happy to discuss tihs with you. meanwhile, on the scottish economy wobbles, full of drunkards and half-assed ignoramuses , wondering why things dont work as they should.

fantastic.
24

Mallory,

Edinburgh 24/03/2009 14:37:16
Give Alfonso a job at RBS - he can count!
25

me150,

24/03/2009 14:41:53
Cut these leeches off. Tell them to cut the drinking or lose the benefits.

Nobody makes them drink and they choose to drink, let them choose to fund their own bad habits!!
26

Dartylady,

Leith 24/03/2009 15:16:57
Why shouldn't alcoholics get help to buy their drink? Druggies get their free methadone you see them waiting outside chemists to get their fix before the shop is even open. Yep it's true, if you have a self inflicted problem then you get all the benefits and help you need. If you have a genuine problem like downs or any other mental or physical problem that stops you from working, you have to fight and usually have to appeal to make sure you get the right benefits.
27

BobW,

Embra 24/03/2009 15:27:58
31# Alcohol abusers also have a choice. They can get Antabuse. If they want to give up there is plenty of help from the NHS. However, they would then take a drop in our tax money. Alcohol abuse and drug abuse is a lifestyle choice, not an 'illness'. If they refuse support to stop, they should have all their handouts removed. I would predict that they take up the offer pretty quickly.
28

SandyBottoms,

Edinburgh 24/03/2009 15:32:54
Why shouldn't the state fund alcoholics? Everyone needs a hobby, and at least their's is legal. What else are they supposed to do? There's f-all around here, and I bet even less where these alcoholics are located. Bring in some jobs they CAN do, or just give them something to incapacitate themselves.
29

an interested party,

24/03/2009 16:22:20
one marvels at the idea that stopping benefits would help anybody especially society as a whole

they are addicts,
they will forego normal things to get there fix

removing any benefits solves this how? and why should
there families be punished even more

some of them may even have lost there job as a result
of there condition, that is have taken a big hit already. plenty still work with it (see house of commons)

so no benefits would result in more crime and even less
chance of recovery and possibly even shanty towns if not just roaming groups of drunks

sounds good to me.
or
pay a small amount (as benefits are hardly a kings ransom) and ignore the problem, like what we have got now
or
the much more expensive way of treatment, support and perhaps a lessening of the problem if not a cure
30

elayne,

24/03/2009 17:25:01
i think more intervention is needed before people get to the stage that they have to claim DLA or whatever,more education,more rehab and more support in the community to stop drinking,i feel sorry for alcoholics but ultimatly it is their own choice to drink,no one forces it on them,we are all born with free will!
31

an interested party,

24/03/2009 17:41:20
how early to intervene ?

harras pub drinkers
or just randomly stop and ask anyone on the street

90% those with a problem wont admit it to themselves far less to a do gooder poking there nose in

it has to remain defined when the person in question presents to a doctor and then its all ready a bit late

where on earth do you imagine these resources come from to randomly go around intervening in hitherto normal peoples lifes

its way way cheaper to have the system we have, it probably why we have it to be honest

perhaps its not right but hey ho nor are illegal wars for oil but we likey cheap petrol so so much
32

an interested party,

24/03/2009 17:48:25
Edinburgh — Population: 468,070
According to http://wapedia.mobi/en/Edinburgh

and what 95% drink

so thats like 444666.5 (who 1/2 drinks eh)

and there is a problem with 1110 or so of them

thats 0.3 something %

ie F-all

storm in a tea cup, headline grabbing guff


33

guaposcot,

madrid 24/03/2009 18:16:21
#38 you have got it right ´' after all we are a drinking nation .....
34

The Answer,

Glasgow 24/03/2009 19:58:02
For each Westminister Parlimentary Seat!

A small modest sum of :

4031 domiciles in England claim incapacity benefit!

yet

A shockingly massive sum of:

5001 domiciles in Scotland claim incapacity benefit!

DWP

tinyurl.com/c9245m
35

elayne,

24/03/2009 20:47:56
#37 i admit,i maybe dont understand as ive never been a drinker (it makes me ill,even 2 or 3 drinks),a change in the whole drinking culture is needed
36

The real dracula,

24/03/2009 23:12:38
I think we need to accept that addiction is not fully accepted as an illness by many including some Dr's,it can also be seen as a lifestyle choice , ie you can change that choice.
Fact is you can come heroin , you can come off drink , you can stop eating so muc.

BUT you cant stop having multiple sclerosis , muscular dystrophy , guiellen barry , cancer, paralysis.

So how do you differeniate , I dont really know .

I dont think you can categorise addiction with severe disabilty, despite what others say there is an element of choice for the addicts.

Many people have an addictive personality and therfor decide never to try anything that may be addictive ,,,,,,its called restraint and choice something who the disabled I have mentioned DO NOT ever have.
I see no problem in cutting addicts benefits and giving food vouchers instead,,,,its called tough love and sometimes it works.
37

COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 25/03/2009 00:44:40
I.AM.BACK.DROVE.DOWN.TO.FLORIDA.FOR.TWO.WEEKS
38

COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 25/03/2009 00:54:52
every.alcholic.in.CANADA.is.moving,to.EDINBURGH.
39

totally indecent,

25/03/2009 10:56:32
Ah welcome back full stop man I've missed you. Did you go to Disney?
40

COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 26/03/2009 00:27:45
47.you.are.decent.thank.you.stayed.in.PANAMA.CITY

 

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