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Published Date: 13 May 2008
TEENAGERS who keep getting into trouble with the police are to be sent on adventure courses to give them a fresh start.
The Justice Secretary, Kenny MacAskill, was due to launch a new mobile unit today which will serve as a "base camp" for outdoor expeditions aimed at turning round the lives of persistent young offenders.

He announced the customised, multi-purpo
se vehicle would be used in a pilot scheme by Lothians and Borders Community Justice Authority to help young people who are at risk of finding themselves in secure accommodation or custody.

The initiative is part of the Scottish Government's drive to strengthen community penalties as an alternative to locking people up. Those to be considered for the Chance for Change programme will be youngsters aged 14 to 18 who repeatedly commit low-level offences such as vandalism and petty theft.

They will take part in tough and challenging seven-day expeditions, accompanied by staff at all times, in different parts of Scotland. The aim is to build their confidence and improve their people skills.

The new mobile unit is described as "totally self-sufficient" and able to work anywhere. It carries laptops and multimedia equipment that can be used for planning expedition routes, course reviews, action planning and research.

The £123,000 pilot project will be run by the Venture Trust – which will provide a personal development programme through the mobile unit – and Includem, a registered charity with a track record of intensive work with young offenders. Referrals will come from Children's Hearings and local authority criminal justice social work staff.

Mr MacAskill said the programme would give young offenders the "confidence and motivation" to make changes to their lives.

He said: "I am greatly encouraged to see that Lothian and Borders Community Justice Authority proposes to use the unit to provide a service for young people who are facing the transition from the Children's Hearings system to the adult criminal justice arena, and who could be at serious risk of finding themselves in secure accommodation or custody.

"I will be taking a keen interest in learning how this exciting initiative progresses and whether there is an opportunity for adoption of a similar approach in other parts of Scotland."

The 12-month pilot is expected to involve up to ten young people in Lothian and Borders who have been identified as the most likely to be placed in secure accommodation or custody because of their offending behaviour.

The project is being overseen by a joint steering group, with representation from each local authority area covering both Youth Justice and Adult Criminal Justice, the Scottish Prison Service, the Scottish Courts, Children's Hearing and support from the procurator fiscal service.





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  • Last Updated: 13 May 2008 10:49 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Youth crime
 
1

Dragonlord,

13/05/2008 12:15:16
Great idea, take them out into the highlands and leave them to find their own way home. Best wait until midnight on a cold winters night mind.
2

r chee bold,

13/05/2008 12:16:10
Free holidays for tearaways, they will be queing up for this, being driven about, playing with computers, a real detterrent, no, shave their heads, make them wear bright overalls, and get them out working in the communities, sorting out all their mess, make them really suffer, no more mister nice guy..
3

Bertie The Bat,

13/05/2008 12:16:51
#! Dragonlord

I agree 100% !!!!
4

allknowing,

13/05/2008 12:21:13
So, people who are scum, get free holidays, and people who behave well and within the law, get nothing!

Something wrong here!
5

Cwalker,

13/05/2008 12:31:45
what bright spark thought this up??

spose it has to do with the previous young offender camping course thingy a while ago ...

that failed too ....

what a waste of time and money ...
6

Alfred E. Neuman,

13/05/2008 12:38:20
Oh goody more cash thrown at scum-bags and their neddy off-spring.

Tax on Maths, Physics and engineering students going up, investment is said going down, finance out of public purse minimial.

Scum-bags tax non-existent, investment in them going up, finance out of the public purse generous.

Thank Brown for Scum bags.
7

In the sticks,

13/05/2008 12:39:01
so whilst the parents of law abiding and respectful children are forced to pay through the nose for these types of activity holidays the scum neds get it for free. Whats the point in making an effort in this country anymore.
Chain gangs, national service, boot camps and the likes will soon make them want to change their ways, not a weekend away being fawned over by some do gooder blaming the rest of us for the neds behaviour.
8

Journalistic licence,

M8 13/05/2008 12:44:34
"Justice Secretary, Kenny MacAskill, was due to launch a new mobile unit today" but it was nicked by teenage joyriders last night.
9

John Knox furr First Meenister,

High St. Embra 13/05/2008 12:50:38
They should drag them behind the mobile unit and then hang them. I blame Brown. George Brown, mind.
10

Jenny MacArthur,

13/05/2008 12:55:02
The viscious flog-em brigade who sound off regularly here disgust me, not just for their truly nasty personalities, but just for being so utterly stupid. All the actual evidence is that youth crime is a symptom of social disenfranchisement, and that policies which give kids more self-esteem and train them in social skills are the only ones that actually reduce crime etc. whilst punishment of the kind these horrible right wingers want to dispense only makes things worse. But hey, why care about evidence, when you can sound off in a holier-than-thou moralistic way as if it makes you sound better yourself, eh? Well, no, it doesn't. It makes you sound deeply unpleasant, you horrible gits.
11

Mr H 2u,

Embra 13/05/2008 12:59:07
Or we could get them to clean up the mess they make, force them to work off the cost of their thieving, and get them to pick up all the dog sh!te off the streets.
12

jjkiller,

13/05/2008 13:17:03
Was there not a programme based on this on tv recently, and they were all still fighting each other and escaping to buy booze etc, small cell with no windows for a while.
13

Zugspitze,

Edinburgh 13/05/2008 13:37:21
I worked at an outdoor adventure centre that catered for excluded children. Whilst it was great to see the occasional joy of a child who gained some self-esteem and the possibility of hope that they could do better, it was also so damn frustrating to see these kids given kayaking lessons, mountainbiking excursions etc and then they spend the entire time refusing to take part, wrecking other kids days by throwing tantrums (and rocks/paddles, etc) and basically having NO appreciation for what they were offered for FREE!

14

John Knox furr First Meenister,

High St, Embra 13/05/2008 13:39:26
Jenny, you sound very nice.
"All the actual evidence is that youth crime is a symptom of social disenfranchisement, and that policies which give kids more self-esteem and train them in social skills are the only ones that actually reduce crime etc"
Yep, it's called parenting. I'm up for it, if you are!
15

The Judge,

13/05/2008 13:49:32
The SNP can kiss goodbye to my vote forever.

Once again the scum are rewarded for their behaviour, not only does the scumbag get a free adventure holiday costing 1000's of pounds, the scumbag that spawned them in the first place get a week away from the child they don't give a fly fig about.

Jenny you have no idea sweetheart, don't try to understand the scum, they hate your guts too. They laugh at people like you because they know they and kid you on. I don't suppose you've had your house broken into, had your car trashed, had your kids threatened by scum like this.

This proves yet again the the liberal elite and the politicos have no idea how the average person thinks about youth crime, I'm not for flogging and beating them but they should, need, to be punished for their crimes or they will never learn.

This policy is madness and MacAskill has shown what a balloon he really is, its high time he resigned because he hasn't got a clue.
16

Cynicaltalk,

13/05/2008 14:30:05

Jenny

Is it not you who is guilty of sounding off on a holier than thou moralistic fashion?

Preaching to us about how neds should be understood and hugged, and how we are committing planetary suicide?

The only planet you seem to know about is the Moon, cos you sound like a bit of a liberal space cadet.
17

Alfred E. Neuman,

13/05/2008 14:30:20
Why didn't this useless sack of crap MacAskill just up funding for baden-powell's initial and proven project, the cub-scouts?

Then everyone could benefit, but noooooo. Can't have any children of tax-payers benefiting for tax money. Why let everyone use tax money when it only buys a few tents, pots and pans when you can tell the peaceful kids to fork off and use the saving to provide mobile technology for the few undeserving pillocks.

The contract with the citizen and state it is well and truly broken. People read this crap and get angry, and as such become less willing to share their money with others. The tories will be back in power before you know it, someone needs to stop this carry-on.
18

Chris,

Edinburgh 13/05/2008 14:33:09
Whilst Jenny may have a point about the cause of the behaviour, there is no suggestion of a solution. This outward bound type of activity does indeed give a small number of participants involved self-esteem. The problem is that when the course ends they are straight back into the environment that caused/allowed them to feel disenfranchised in the first place. It is not a solution, Jenny, it is a short term relief for the neighbourhood from where they were taken. Perhaps #16 has made the most valid point in the last sentence - the lack of social skills in the parents is the root cause of the behaviour of the offspring.
19

rossthelab,

embra 13/05/2008 14:42:28
Some people here are disappointingly ignorant and thick if they think deprived young people become involved in crime as a matter of simple choice. 'Oh I'm bored, will I rob this house or not, hmm, decisions decisions'.
People are products of their environment and poverty breeds poverty.
Should you all not be on the daily mail/Sunday sport site?
Perhaps that would more suit your pea brained mentality.
20

The Judge,

13/05/2008 14:57:57
I didn't think it would take long before some lefty played the "poverty" card.

#21 NO child in Scotland lives in "poverty" every child no matter the circumstances is provided with free education, free health care, child benefit and if their parent receives any form of benefit they get free food at school, hell they even get free school uniforms. So I will repeat myself, NO child lives in poverty, now if the parents decide to blow the family benefits on drink and drugs that's hardly our fault.

The tree hugging yoghurt knitters on this site don't have a clue about the real world we live in.
21

The Man With No Clue,

13/05/2008 15:01:07
I hate everybody who generalises but I want to share with you a story about a 14 year boy born on the wrong side of the tracks. He got in with a bad crowd, petty theft, drug taking, vandalism. Well anyway, the council paid for him to go to butlins for a week and within 5 years he was a Chief Constable, a generous contributor to charity and is tipped to be in line to be the next pope. Now, all thats made up obviously, but it certainly makes you think.
22

jjkiller,

13/05/2008 15:11:20
I grew up on a scheme in a one parent family, didn't feel the need to break into people's houses etc, it's just an excuse.
23

Alfred E. Neuman,

13/05/2008 15:13:26
Baden-Powell's advnerture Scouts.

Use these semg-heads free bus passes to get out to the country, go for a bloody decent 20 mile hike, learn what a knife is really for by building bivvies, fishing and cooking. Come back the next day, use your free bus pass to get home.

Pay a few ex-seargeant majors to take the place of the cub-scout leaders. But noooo, why do spend as little as possible when you can spend £x00,000s, that involves committee meetings and budgets and press-releases.

The scouts works, it costs close to nothing, and if health and safety laws hadn't replaced orienterring and hunting with knitting and house-keeping badges would still work.

MacAskill is a daft get.
24

Allan(handofgod137),

13/05/2008 15:21:42
Once again wee kenny shows us what an incompetent idiot he is, why not bring back the birch, and for a long term solution stop morons on the dole from breeding.
25

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13/05/2008 15:25:19
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A Friend of Fernando Poo,

, Newington 13/05/2008 15:58:01
I know of a great Outward Bound camp we could send these disenfranchised children to:

It's called "Guantanamo".
27

Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 13/05/2008 16:01:26
As long as it helps them back on the straight and narrow, I don't see the problem. But rehabilitation should only follow real punishment and a few strokes of the rattan cane, like in Singapore, should be the first step. And only if the same amount of cash is spent on the BB, Scouts and other youth groups to fund activities for the majority of kids who don't behave like feral scum.
28

Alfred E. Neuman,

13/05/2008 16:02:19
28 Jackie Priest

I think the Scouts is good enough. I think if the SNP had one brain cell between them they would up scouting funding by £x00,000s.

Targetting the youths to keep them out of trouble for 7 days will be fruitless. Confidence is built over years not days.
29

The Judge,

13/05/2008 16:19:40
#28 Who said anything about throwing them in a hole? Who mentioned Thatcher?

Believe it or not tough punishments work, half baked schemes like this don't work. All that happens is the feral brats play the system, a wee tear here, a petted lip there and they're off on a nice wee holiday with a social worker in tow. 7 days later they're trying to work out how to get another one.

I love the way McKaskill tells us vandalism and petty theft are "low level crimes". Obviously not a man who's cars been trashed in the recent past.

I've said it before but if the scum are under 16 punish the parent, they won't have parents, take away their benefits, take away their council house but don't send their brats on a free holiday, that just makes mugs out of all of us.
30

JML,

13/05/2008 16:29:16
I'm with you Jenny!

At least someone's trying to do something about these kids. 90% of the time their behaviour is the result of bad parenting and lack of example. These kids are going to grow up (unless they all stab each other to death first) and become bad, and probably teenage, parents themselves lumbering society with a fresh unruly rabble of neds with even LESS social skills than their parents.

This is an attempt at breaking the cycle.

Yes, it's a pain in the a*se that taxpayers end up paying for it, but we're going to end up paying for them one day when they get locked up for stabbing someone or kicking them to death for merely passing by on the street or standing up to their behaviour - possibly one of you or one of your family. Personally I think it's better to try to sort them out before they ruin someone's life.
31

Brian M,

Edinburgh 13/05/2008 16:33:20
I grew up in a "scheme" which is in an area which was officially classed as the 3rd poorest/deprived in Scotland a few years ago.

The only facilities for leisure or recreation was what we called "the park" - a stretch of almost bare wasteland. That's where most of us would play (yes play is the word), even in our early teens, until we discovered girls. Football in winter, and an attempt at cricket in summer. Most of us did not feel the need to go off and rob/thieve/burgle or mug anyone, apart from two lads who were little "hard nuts" even when primary school age.
32

Boy Wonder,

13/05/2008 16:36:51
The reason we have so many kids like this, is because both parents have to work these days and the kids run wild.
33

Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 13/05/2008 16:37:13
#34 JML

I agree with you in part, but there has to be some true punishment as well. The liberals have been in charge of social policy and the criminal justice policy since the 1960s and look where we are. This is worth a try, as you say, but the whole children's panel system has been based on this softly, softly approach and it has clearly failed everyone, including the kids themselves. In too many cases they're the offspring of graduates of similar 'initiatives'.
34

JML,

13/05/2008 16:43:01
#37 I agree with you too. But that's not happening, sadly. The softly, softly approach is still there and likely to be for some time to come. At least this is proactive and someone's making an effort to do something.

However, if they were made into more of a US Bootcamp style thing, it might not help because you'd have the human rights a***holes on your back saying it was child abuse.... You can't win!
35

Brian M,

Edinburgh 13/05/2008 16:45:11
#36 And the parents are probably claiming unemployment benefit/disabled benefit/council tax rebate and housing benefit since the system seems unable to catch them
36

The Judge,

13/05/2008 16:48:02
JML have you ever been the victim of crime?

If the answer is yes how would you feel if the person responsible was given a free adventure holiday in place of a real punishment? Assuming they were actually caught in the first place.
37

Brian M,

Edinburgh 13/05/2008 17:27:22
"seven-day expeditions, accompanied by staff at all times, in different parts of Scotland. The aim is to build their confidence and improve their people skills"

Then what?

They have had their wee break away from thieving, etc. But they have built their confidence and people skills. Enough confidence and skills to say "Give us your wallet, please" instead of just mugging the punter?
38

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13/05/2008 19:05:36
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Brian M,

Edinburgh 13/05/2008 19:13:48
#42

bob-yob is now trick-or-treat
40

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 13/05/2008 20:31:30
Outdoor adventure training could include dropping them somewhere nice and remote and giving them an hour's head start before offering training for police dogs or special forces. See some movement then?

41

rossthelab,

Shabbyhill 13/05/2008 23:44:15
22 the judge
shut yer puss
People rarely choose to simply become an addict, if it was such an easy lifestyle choice then do you not wonder in your tiny biggotted mind why the massive percentage of addicts live in socialy and economically deprived areas accross the entire world?
Can you stretch your p!ss poor understanding of life to understand this?
I doubt it.
If I am a yogurt loving tree hugger, you are no doubt a sexually frustrated lonely john major lookalike who has sadly missed out on life, tragicaly wasting away your pointless existence building a lifesize model of thatcher out of lidl 'meal for one' containers.
42

The Judge,

14/05/2008 08:38:29
Oh dear rossthelab did your methadone not arrive today?

Let me have a guess your either in, Wester Hails, Craigmillar or Bingham? The true hurt doesn't it son? Now away and phone your social worker for a hug.

43

rossthelab,

embra 14/05/2008 17:46:30
The Judge
I am in all of these places as i live in a caravan, you dont mind if I come round and stay with you and your mum for a few weeks do you?
My social worker tarquin says its ok!
44

COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 28/12/2008 02:46:35
BRING.THEM.OVER.HERE.FOR.SIX.MONTHS.ARCTIC.PATROL
45

COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 28/12/2008 02:54:05
34/thats.nonsene.both.my.parents.worked.in.the.rubber.mill

 

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