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Published Date: 04 December 2008
SEVERAL Hearts players have still not received their overdue wages from last week, the Evening News can reveal.
Certain members of the squad, understood to include Andy Driver, Bruno Aguiar and Christos Karipidis, were not paid on Monday when the club processed outstanding monies for their players.

As of this morning, the individuals concerned were yet to receive their salaries. They were asked to be patient about the issue during a meeting with senior Hearts officials yesterday, however, no date has been given regarding when wages will arrive.

A Tynecastle source said: "It seems not everyone got their money on Monday and there was a meeting about it."

With this week's salaries due to drop into players' accounts tomorrow, players have been left fearing a repeat scenario of last week's delay.

Wages initially failed to arrive last Friday with the club and officials at Vladimir Romanov's Ukio Bankas Investment Group, Hearts' parent company, stating it was simply a time delay and that payments would go through on Monday.

It has emerged that, while many players did receive funds at the start of the week, some did not.

Furthermore, Arbroath are ready to intensify their attempts to recoup a sell-on fee from Hearts for Andy Webster.

The Gayfield club agreed to accept £14,437 plus VAT from the £150,000 Wigan paid Hearts for Webster following a ruling from the Court of Arbitration for Sport in January this year. However, that debt is still outstanding.

John Christison, the Arbroath chairman, said today: "We had a board meeting on Tuesday night and we discussed a number of things we could do to try and get the money," confirmed Christison.

"We are in touch with the SFA over this but one thing we could do is to ask to freeze their gate receipts and we could also look at applying a signing ban.

"We have been too nice about this for too long and it's sad it has come to this."

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1

Rambo The Jambo,

4-0 at Hampden 04/12/2008 10:42:27
Here we go again.....cue the usual torrent of guff.

Thanks very much Scotsman.
2

I BELIEVE,

TOGETHER 04/12/2008 10:53:36
Come on ANDERSON, 'Understood to include' and 'another nameless Tynecastle source'. Does your journalism not got any better than this. What about some hard evidence and lets hear how's giving you the info
3

Rambo The Jambo,

4-0 at Hampden 04/12/2008 11:01:28
Arbroath state:

'"We are in touch with the SFA over this but one thing we could do is to ask to freeze their gate receipts and we could also look at applying a signing ban.'

Erm....no actually. The GFA have no authority to 'freeze' gate receipts.

If they are due the money they need to get a court order and thereafter enforce by way of diligence. The only persons or bodies authorised to 'freeze' money are sheriff officers and messengers at arms.

Get your facts right before printing scaremongering stories.
4

Damage69,

Edinburgh 04/12/2008 11:02:23
How long can this shambles of a club "The 3rd Biggest in Scotland" be allowed to be run like this. Can no-one see that they are an absolute joke. £51M stadium? Aye right! Pay your players the money they deserve and stop mucking good genuine journeymen players about.
5

GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

04/12/2008 11:06:04
Surely Hearts should claim compensation from Webster. It was his actions in walking out on the club that cost them, and us, a transfer fee. If he'd gone on a Bosman, would Arbroath have tried to get a % of his signing on fee?
6

GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

04/12/2008 11:06:29
#5 Sorry - surely Arbroath should claim compensation from Webster, not Hearts.
7

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04/12/2008 11:08:21
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hibbywul,

04/12/2008 11:13:08
Hopefully not, but I feel comment # 7 may be right.
9

flogelsleftpeg,

administration land 04/12/2008 11:14:59
#7 You have been smelling admin for two years.

This story is simply embarrassing. It either needs sorted or the club has to advise everyone we are in a perilous position.
10

Black Five,

edinburgh 04/12/2008 11:18:52
This must be loooked upon as a serious breach of trust and what is now looking like he`in trouble.I feared the last time and I fear the worse now.Won`t be a bad thing at end of day if it gets rid of Romanov.Hearts will never die but he will.
11

Bigwull,

edinburgh 04/12/2008 11:19:00
4 WE ARE THE THIRD BIGGEST CLUB IN SCOTLAND FACT! THE LEAGUE TABLE SAYS SO
12

mcjambo,

04/12/2008 11:20:38
dont o hy hehppi t w it cate good for hearts or ukios bankas. get the finger out romanov n get it sorted
13

Glorious Hearts,

04/12/2008 11:29:12
7 you "fear" the worst?
Why would a hibee pretending to be a jambo who loves nothing more than to lie, manipulate and mislead "fear" the worst when you've been desperate for it for more than 2 years now?

dream on Serg you liar
14

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04/12/2008 11:38:27
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15

Addie,

04/12/2008 11:43:25
#14 Serg, behave yourself!

16

Grumpy,

04/12/2008 12:00:04
So are we supposed to feel sorry for the overpaid players? No. I'd rather feel sorry for all the employees of the Woolworths, HBOS, RBS, Klick etc who stand to be in the dole queue.
17

Edinburghs Finest,

04/12/2008 12:02:03
ha ha ha this just gets better and better..... Laughing Stock...!!!
18

Glorious Hearts,

04/12/2008 12:02:37
14 Serg

Fantasy [fan-tuh-see]
imagination, esp. when extravagant and unrestrained.

Pathetic [puh-thet-ik]
miserably or contemptibly inadequate

Liar [lahy-er]
a person who tells lies
19

Ooh Ah Ginger God,

edinburgh 04/12/2008 12:06:26
Setting everything apart here...its a blooming disgrace that we havent paid Arbroath...we kind of lose any respect anyone had/has..delete as appropriate..for us as a business.
20

Hibby Heapy,

04/12/2008 12:09:32
If this story is true, and I use the word IF, then this is a very disturbing turn of events.

Not quiet RIP as some of my fellow Hibbees mention, but a very precarious position to say the least.

Come on Hearts/Vlad/Ukio, get it sorted out.
21

capy,

embra 04/12/2008 12:11:02
What about some hard evidence and lets hear how's giving you the info#2

I would guess the daily ranger.
22

Dood,

04/12/2008 12:11:11
#6

Why should Arbroath claim from Webster? The sell on clause clearly states that Hearts should pay up. Why attempt to re-write the contract?

More pertinently, we're not talking about a huge sum of money here, not to Hearts anyway. It is to Arbroath though, it's huge to them. Why not just pay it? Embarassing really.
23

Gordon Smiths 364,

Edinburgh 04/12/2008 12:11:27
I think Vlad is doing it on purpose to wind these players up, they don't seem to have looked back after the last time, never to be repeated last time, a sort of twisted "treat them mean keep them keen" sort of thing.
24

Glorious Hearts,

04/12/2008 12:13:57
22 "sell-on clause" is the key phrase here. Hearts didn't sell Webster so how can any sell-on clause be active?
25

Edinburghs Finest,

04/12/2008 12:16:03
Pay day tomorrow as well... wonder which of the "lucky" players will get paid whats due to them tomorrow...

Roll up roll up play the wages lottery at Tynecastle... Rodders comes in with a spangly jacket and pulls names out of a hat... Larry Kingston...sorry no luck this week...
26

mixu62,

The rich end of Edinburgh 04/12/2008 12:16:11
Lets see fatty Foulkes put some spin on this one Good ridance to the festerring morons in maroon
27

Dood,

04/12/2008 12:16:59
#24

Oh right then, so Hearts actually don't owe Arbroath any money then? In that case, Arbroath should just stop their moaning. How petty of them.

Head sand etc etc etc......
28

Bemused and above it all,

04/12/2008 12:17:24
Webster exercised his rights in terms of the law in leaving Hearts when they tried to force him to sign a new contract or be binned to train with the kids for the remainder of the one he had.
So HOW EXACTLY IS WEBSTER TO BLAME FOR HEARTS NOT PAYING WHAT THEY OWE TO EITHER THEIR PLAYERS OR OTHER CLUBS?
29

Hibby Heapy,

04/12/2008 12:17:48
#22

Cash flow problems perhaps? If this is the case, then it a a huge sum of money, relativley speaking! If not, then I agree with you, why not pay them.

Now the predictable comment: Don't Arbroath play in Maroon? Perhaps you can all go and support them instead when the PBS has turned intoa Tesco's?

Sorry but I couldn't resist.

GGTTH
30

Hobo Harry,

04/12/2008 12:17:54
Throwing coins on to the pitch is rarely seen these days thankfully. At the Jambos next game however perhaps every fan could throw a couple of pound coins on at the end and make sure that the players get paid and can afford Christmas.....

Har har har
31

SAME RULES APPLY !!!,

04/12/2008 12:18:39
"£14,437 plus VAT"
That is a saving of £360 just by stalling until VAT was reduced.
Vlad is no mug!!
32

Bemused and above it all,

04/12/2008 12:19:51
24
So if there was no 'sell on' and Webster & Wigan, who acted within the laws of football & employment law, have to pay £150k to Hearts?
Transfer fees ARE compensation, as such the compensation amount is seen as a tranfer fee in football terms.
Divot
33

Hibby Heapy,

04/12/2008 12:20:12
#30

Ha. ha! Fantastic!
34

Jambo Number 1,

04/12/2008 12:21:10
Serg ya wee Ladyboy.

Change the record ya see wee obcessed moron.
35

markatview,

04/12/2008 12:21:40
Good idea , there would be f eck all else tae watch in embra if there was nae herts..
36

markatview,

04/12/2008 12:22:31
34 for 28
37

Glorious Hearts,

04/12/2008 12:25:28
26

In post 22 you said
"Why should Arbroath claim from Webster? The sell on clause clearly states that Hearts should pay up. Why attempt to re-write the contract?"

In 24 I answered.
""sell-on clause" is the key phrase here. Hearts didn't sell Webster so how can any sell-on clause be active?"

I never said anything about Arbroath moaning, didn't even give my opinion on it, I was simply answering your question directly.
Don't take the huff.
38

Silence of the Yams,

04/12/2008 12:27:40
HOMFC, 1872-2008, RIP!
39

Glorious Hearts,

04/12/2008 12:27:47
31 Wigan never owed a brass penny to Hearts, Webster did.

Webster was told to pay compensation for not fulfilling his contract. How can it therefore be counted as a transfer fee?

Anyway, as I said before, I'm simply answering a question, don't blame me if you don't like the answer
40

bertiblunt,

04/12/2008 12:31:22
If i was a "BIG TEAM" supporter i would be worried
41

Pavlov Dog,

04/12/2008 12:32:01
Mikey Stewart's got a big gob!
42

the west end general,

04/12/2008 12:33:34
29
as your fans have been doing this for years,I now understand why.
43

Chas Niceass,

04/12/2008 12:33:46
Something needs to be sorted out here. Why can we not enjoy a great run of form without something like this surfacing, pretty poor that Edinburghs papers seem hellbent on torturing 60% of its football readership.
44

the west end general,

04/12/2008 12:34:45
seriously though this will not help us in trying to resign Bruno.
45

Eighteen Seventy-Four,

04/12/2008 12:35:49
26. Dood, does your head sand comment etc refer to yourself ?

Arbroath were due a % of a transfer fee, no transfer fee was received by Hearts.

So are Hearts leaglly due Arbroath money ? You seem to be in the know.
46

Hobo Harry,

04/12/2008 12:36:13
42 Chas Niceass, More inclined to think that Vlad seems hellbent on torturing 100% of the Hearts fan base. It is not the papers who are to blame.
47

The Hon. Liam Fairtod,

04/12/2008 12:37:55
The Arbroath thing. As some folk have said, I suspect legally we're not due to pay anything to them (although having not read the contract/laws etc. etc....). So I'm not entirely sure what success they'll have if the take it to the GFA/courts.

BUT. We said we'd pay them. And we haven't. That's very, very poor. Vlad must know how all this looks. I don't know why he keeps fannying around.
48

Rambo The Jambo,

4-0 at Hampden 04/12/2008 12:43:48
Strange, is it not, that Livingston FC have recently sacked their manager by EMAIL, are hundreds of thousands in debt, owe money all over the place, unpaid electricity bills etc, are owned by an Italian, yet not a peep from the EEN or Hootsmon.

Maybe Livvy just about going down the plug-hole isn't newsworthy enough for this mob.
49

Braes of Glenmiller,

04/12/2008 12:45:52
I've always been positive in the past but this begins to look a bit more serious. I hope we're not about to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory yet again.
50

Hibernianinc,

04/12/2008 12:48:43

herts received money from Wigan for Webster, as a direct consequence of his leaving herts to go and play for them.

The how's and why's of this is irrelevant, Arbroath are due their share of all monies received by herts for Webster's move.

I'm sure they're as bitter as herts are that it wasn't a straight forward £2m sale, as they'd be seeing the kind of windfall that they can only dream about.

For herts not to pay up is a disgrace. For some herts fans on this forum to try and explain why this is ok, on a technicality that isn't…..really. Have a long look at yourselves.
51

Maroon tinted glasses,

04/12/2008 12:49:11
27, Webster tried to exercise his rights BUT in trying to do so was in breach of his contract, he didnt give the required notice period and therefore this was why he was pursued for compensation. I do however agree that IF hearts did say they would pay the cash the they should. if it did go to court though it would be thrown out due to the fact webster breached HIS contract and was therefore ordered to pay.......... wait for it cause here it the magic word........... COMPENSATION!
52

Matty boy,

04/12/2008 12:49:13
#37

Hearts were formed in 1874 you t#at
53

Glorious Hearts,

04/12/2008 12:54:04
49 "herts received money from Wigan for Webster, as a direct consequence of his leaving herts to go and play for them"

so many things wrong here.

Webster was ordered to pay up, not Wigan.

The legal decision was that Webster joined Wigan as a free agent and therefore no transfer fee was due. Webster, however, was told to pay compensation as a consequence of not fulfilling his contract.

When Webster joined Wigan, he was legally a free agent according to the ruling.

How can Hearts then have received a transfer fee?
54

Gordon Combe,

04/12/2008 12:55:33
Cant believe the comments from what appear to be a majority of Hearts fans on this thread.

Blame the News, blame Arbroath, blame the Hibs support.

For gods sake wake up and smell the coffee. YOUR CLUB IS GOING UNDER AND YOU LOT DO SOD ALL TO STOP IT!

GET THE PLACARDS MADE, THE DEMOS GOING, BEFORE ITS TO LATE.

I know loads of Hibbys like me who dont want Hearts to go under and would join your demos......but you sit and do nothing. Unbelievable!!!!!!!!!

WAKE UP! DO SOMETHING NOW!!!

Is any one of you listening!!!!
55

Hobo Harry,

04/12/2008 12:56:13
51 Matty boy, Hemmed in to a corner and lashing out are we? All you can do is dish out abuse because he typed a 2 instead of a 4? The term keyboard hardman comes to mind.
56

Victoria Ian,

Leith 04/12/2008 12:56:16
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
57

Maroon tinted glasses,

04/12/2008 12:56:52
49 OH right, so if you got a parking fine and found out that you could get away without paying it due a "technicality" would you still pay it? of course not you would dance about with glee at getting away with it.

or even better, IF rearend decided again that he wanted to leave hoobs and managed to find a clause in his contract that let him do so but didnt stick to the letter of the law regarding the contract and hoobs got compensation would you be happy to pay cellic a % of the money as is stated in his contract about any future transfer fees. NO because its not a transfer fee. How difficult is tha for you to understand??
58

Heartfelt,

EDINBURGH 04/12/2008 12:59:48
#49 - WEBSTER was told to pay Hearts not Wigan He was originally due to pay £625000 for technical breach of contract which was reduced on appeal. WIGAN were NOT taken to a tribunal, therefore its not a transfer fee.

But why let facts ruin your hilarity?
59

Lenny,

04/12/2008 13:01:50
I wonder how long Hearts fans will continue to defend the indefensible. It really is incredible, a few wins (well 5, and no complaints, its a great run I agree) and everything is great again.

No problem that STILL players are unpaid. Its a non-story etc etc etc.

Well all of you will be partly to blame for standing by and doing nothing IF the worse comes to the worse at your club.
60

Hobo Harry,

04/12/2008 13:02:38
56 Maroon tinted glasses, The trouble with your theory is that a public institiution like Hearts relies on a degree of goodwill. In January, if you do buy any players, how many clubs will be willing to defer payments whist dealing with Vlad? It will be cash up front please. There are times it is better just to do the right thing.
61

Jambo.co.uk,

04/12/2008 13:02:43
#55

hahahahahahaha
62

The Hon. Liam Fairtod,

04/12/2008 13:04:19
#53 What should we demonstrate against?
WHAT DO WE WANT?
PLAYERS WAGES PAID ON TIME!
WHEN DO WE WANT IT?
ON TIME!

WHAT ELSE DO WE WANT?
ARBROATH TO BE PAID
WHEN DO WE WANT IT?
AS SOON AS PRACTICABLE!

WHAT ELSE DO WE WANT?
UMM. A MANAGER? NO. GOT ONE OF THOSE.
ERR. A SNEAK PEAK AT THE ACCOUNTS?

DO you actually think we should protest because players wages are delayed? I'm sure my work won't mind giving me the afternoon off to head down to Tynie to start the protest for that.
Then you can head round to my office and protest about me not getting paid.
63

Who?,

04/12/2008 13:06:22
#38 -very true and well explained.

Webster had to pay hearts as he broke his contract illegally. As CAS stated webster should have provided his notice a week earlier than he did. It also found that his claims of victimisation were fabricated which left him rather red faced. In many ways Webster was forced to pay criminal compensation to hearts.

So why should arbroath get a percentage of the criminal compensaton?
64

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04/12/2008 13:06:41
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The Hon. Liam Fairtod,

04/12/2008 13:06:53
#56, 57 - just give it a rest eh?
Maybe Hearts are legally due money to Arbroath. Maybe they're not. I'm not a lawyer, neither are you, and none of us have seen the wording of the sell on clause.
But Vlad said he'd pay the money, and he still hasn't. It makes us look stupid. And trying to defend it makes you look even stupider.
66

Gordon Combe,

04/12/2008 13:06:59
#56

Agreed as per my first thread at 53.

They do nothing, its incredible and your right, they will also be responsible for standing by and letting it happen.

We seem more concerned than their ostrich antics.
67

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04/12/2008 13:07:11
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The Hon. Liam Fairtod,

04/12/2008 13:07:42
#62 Nah. That's not going to happen. We haven't got any strikers.
69

It's me!,

04/12/2008 13:08:20
As I understand it compensation to Hearts was to be paid by Webster, not Wigan or Rangers. Has Webster paid Hearts?
70

Glorîous Hearts,

04/12/2008 13:10:13
This is a shambles.

What is Vlad playing at? There's obviously severe cash-flow concerns within UBIGS and UKIOS and the players are the ones who are suffering.

I'm glad I didn't renew my season ticket.
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Mr Jaffa,

Edinburgh 04/12/2008 13:10:37
Brilliant! Having just posted a positive comment on another Banderson article, i click on another article and he reverts to type.

Is it
1)an article about players wages?... or
2) an article about Arbroath?... or
3) an article saying Hearts are in financial difficulties??

If 1 - what is your source, who are the players, what has the club told them etc. etc. etc. Not a lot of clear facts in the article. Leaves too many questions unanswered. Certainly not a good example of factual reporting.

If 2 - Again lots of questions still unanswered. Read the comments Mr Anderson. Are Hearts legally bound to pay Arbroath? Was it compensation for breach of contract or was it deemed to be a transfer fee. If you could do some research then the public would be a lot clearer (after all informing the public is your job!)

If 3 - then god help us for the standard of journalism. Where is the investigative work? where is your conclusion? Where is the journalism?

On an aside... I agree that if we have promised Arbroath money then we should just pay them. Maybe Mr Anderson could ask Hearts the question - Do you believe you are due to pay Arbroath this amount? Do you intend to pay them? You know.....questions any self respecting journalist would ask.

72

Dood,

04/12/2008 13:10:52
#44

Head sand, me? And as for the other poster insinuating that I've gone in the huff??? Laughable.

Lets deal in hard facts here. The court of Arbitration for Sport have decreed that Hearts owe Arbroath this sum of money. Fact. At the time of the ruling, Hearts accepted this. Fact. A deal was done between all parties to reduce the fee from (circa) £26k to the current figure. Fact.

Are we now suggesting that this Court was wrong or that their judgement has no sound legal basis? In which case, why have Hearts not appealed the ruling?

I'm not stirring things up here, in my earlier posts I stated that Arbroath are a wee club desperate for a sum of money which is life/death to them. If such a sum is small fry to Hearts, then why don't they pay it?

And before the accusations start, I'm not a 'Hobonomist' or whatever it is you like to call us. I'm on record on these pages in the past as stating that I have no desire to see Hearts go down the tubes, nor do I see that happening.
73

Dick C. Normuss,

04/12/2008 13:11:47
#65 So its all a big game to fool the Hibbies... nice one.
74

Hibernianinc,

04/12/2008 13:11:55
#52, #56 & #57

Then why did herts agree to make the payment? BBC Sports page confirms.

I refer again to the fact that herts got monies from Websters move. And again to the fact that the why's and where's are irrelevant.

The only way that herts are not due Arbroath cash is if they got £0 in respect of Webster going to play for another club.

Rant all you like. You're all wrong.
75

Gordon Combe,

04/12/2008 13:12:04
#60 Against the owner, the way the club is being run and the fact you would like Hearts to be here in another 100 years. Your the fans, its your club and you should be fighting for it, just as we did for ours. Fighting back does work, especially with the fan base Hearts have. We did it, we got change and we survived!

Your club mate,do nothing! but when the inevitable happens I'll try not to say, I told you so!
76

Dood,

04/12/2008 13:12:23
PS - possible solution.....

Don't pay Kingston this week and use the cash to pay Arbroath. Problem solved. It's not as if anyone would bat an eyelid should a player not be paid at Tynie any more.......
77

Jambo.co.uk,

04/12/2008 13:14:31
Good comedy thread by the Hobo's here today.

Anything to keep your mind of your own shambles of a club i suppose.
78

Hardon collider,

04/12/2008 13:16:03
I've always found Hertz fans to be a thoroughly detestable bunch, zieg heiling all over the shop and waving their Butchers' aprons around..Perhaps there is a God after all..

Spartak Gorgie RIP
79

Glorious Hearts,

04/12/2008 13:16:39
68 "This is a shambles.

What is Vlad playing at? There's obviously severe cash-flow concerns within UBIGS and UKIOS and the players are the ones who are suffering.

I'm glad I didn't renew my season ticket."

Of course, this was Serg not me. Look for the funnt dot above the "I" in "Glorious Hearts"

Serg you pathetic liar, I don't even live in Scotland. Why would I renew a ST?

Pathetic [puh-thet-ik]
miserably or contemptibly inadequate

Liar [lahy-er]
a person who tells lies

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The Hon. Liam Fairtod,

04/12/2008 13:18:46
#73 Does he not need to have done something wrong first? Or do we just form a pre-emptive protest?
He's making us all look stupid, yes, but the only thing we could actually do is to try and hound him out of the club. And without someone to buy him out, what'd be the point in that?
81

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04/12/2008 13:19:13
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The Hon. Liam Fairtod,

04/12/2008 13:20:11
#75 You've not met many Hearts fans have you?
In fact, have you met any real people?
83

heartyharry,

Gorgie 04/12/2008 13:21:53
How on earth is this the "Top Story". Barry Anderson i think you should head to a magazine/paper more to your standardsas a journilist like the Beano or Dandy!
84

Gordon Combe,

04/12/2008 13:21:54
#77

Ok mate, like I say, your club, your responsibility to act, or not, as you see fit.
85

Glorious Hearts,

04/12/2008 13:25:03
72 "The only way that herts are not due Arbroath cash is if they got £0 in respect of Webster going to play for another club."

Hearts DID receive nothing in respect of Webster going to play for another club, he joined Wigan as a free agent.

The compensation was for breaking his contract with Hearts.

So you think Hearts shouldn't be due Arbroath any money?
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markatview,

04/12/2008 13:27:24
The facts are this one story is based on rumour hearsay and unnamed sources , the other is cut and pasted from a weegie rag with an agenda against EDINBURGH.. At this time it is 2 non storys best to wait until you are in possesion of all the facts , evening news should stick to the footballing side of the news in edinburgh what with 2 important games this week for the capital clubs instead of trying to whip up hysteria in the name of selling newspapers..
87

Hardon collider,

04/12/2008 13:27:55
The Hon. Liam Fairtod: You caught me, fair play, I am in fact making it all up and have never met any real people..

I can categorically state I have never been to Tynecastle and watched the home fans zieg heil to their little Hearts (pardon the pun) content, before leaving the ground to run a gauntlet of violence and flying spittle.

I made it all up..
88

Glorious Hearts,

04/12/2008 13:29:53
70 Dood
"Lets deal in hard facts here. The court of Arbitration for Sport have decreed that Hearts owe Arbroath this sum of money. Fact"

You have a source for this?
As far as I was aware, the CAS simply decided that Webster was due Hearts money and that Webster was a free agent when he joined Wigan.

As you say, let's deal in facts here.
89

Dood,

04/12/2008 13:30:13
#82

I personally don't give a jot what the situation was.

FACT is that the Court of Arbitration for Sport decreed that Hearts owe Arbroath the dosh. FACT is that all patries agreed to the ruling.

Not quite sure why you can't accept that. Your opinion on the situation (ie whether Hearts received money which would relate to a sell on clause), is largely irrelevant now.

Bored with this now.
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Ghengis McCann,

Edinburgh 04/12/2008 13:30:58
No financial trouble at the PBS. Oh no. We're the third biggest club in the SPL - if not the entire universe. Always have been, always will be.

Debt is good. No tax bills. Vlad owns a bank. It's like owing money to ourselves. And I think you will find that our £30m+ debt is now actually only 47p. Hearts don't owe Arbroath a penny - Webster does. It is common commercial practice to pay your employees late. Happens all the time.

This stuff is all just made up by Banderson and the EEN. Oh, and the BBC. And Sky. It's all Chick Young's fault. And the Wee Team peg sellers from Leith - Hobonomics at its best.

Crisis? What crisis?





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Johnny Jambo,

04/12/2008 13:31:31
If some have been paid and some not, I would suggest that it is a banking issue and not a Hearts issue.
And re Webster and Arbroath, if Hearts have been paid by Webster then they should pay Arbroath what they are due but I would guess that the Webster money has not yet been paid and that is why Hearts are waiting.

Whether we should pay Arbroath or not is another argument as Webster was not transferred, or sold on as the saying goes, but Hearts agreed to pay so they should and I am sure they will.
92

Gordon Combe,

04/12/2008 13:32:11
#83

You may or may not recall (I certainly do), that the first reports of Hibs demise when the fat controler that was wallet merger tried to put us down, also came from unnamed sources originally.

It then exploded into fact!
93

Dood,

04/12/2008 13:32:31
#85

Do I have a source for this?

Ehhhmmmm, yes. It was widely reported. Google it, there's loads. Frankly I've lost interest though. As I said, you're entitled to your opinion. Fact is that your club agreed to pay up. Why haven't they?

Really bored now.
94

The Hon. Liam Fairtod,

04/12/2008 13:35:22
#85 - see 63
95

Glorious Hearts,

04/12/2008 13:36:22
86 Dood
"FACT is that the Court of Arbitration for Sport decreed that Hearts owe Arbroath the dosh"

I'll accept this as a fact when you provide a source.
Which you can't.

For the record it's NOT a fact, you just say it is
96

Dood,

04/12/2008 13:36:43
#87 Genghis

Any idea when Ukio opens up on Castle Street?

I'm first in the queue. The last mortage deal might not be ideal for me now and I'm in the market for a new one. I like the idea of owing loads of money but not really owing it. I also like the idea that I can default on my monthly repayments and just shrug it off. Banking Hearts style is GREAT!!!!!
97

Dood,

04/12/2008 13:37:55
#91

Exactly. Well done mate.

#92

Heads, sand, etc etc etc.
98

Maroon tinted glasses,

04/12/2008 13:38:10
Mr Fairtod,

As stated previously (on every occasion this has come up) i did say that if hearts did agree to pay then they should do so, all i was doing for all those non jambo's out there who are intent on a noise up is state that if it did go to court any good lawyer would tear it to shreds!

The main point is the headline story.

VLAD GET YOUR FINGER OUT AND SORT THIS MESS OUT, otherwise the only clubs who will be willing to deal with hearts in the future are the ones you own!!
99

Glorious Hearts,

04/12/2008 13:39:38
90 Dood
"Do I have a source for this?

Ehhhmmmm, yes. It was widely reported. Google it, there's loads."

Oh I have googled it and NOwhere is there any mention of the CAS deciding Hearts owe Arbroath money. You know why?
Arbroath weren't involved in the CAS case. The ruling was simply about Webster and Hearts.

Go google it yourself, it'll stop you being bored and show you that your take on the situation is just wrong.

The CAS never ruled Hearts were due Arbroath anything
100

A Jambo come rain or shine,

04/12/2008 13:39:56
#84 You are a hard-on. You going to generalise about an entire clubs support based on a couple of hundred people (and that's a generous estimation) behaving like idiots? That's like me saying every OF fan is a biggot. Stop trying to provoke people who are on here having a decent debate. If you want an argument, go and cheat on your boyfriend.
FWIW, i'm embarrased by the whole situation at Hearts if it's true. I can see the arguments for not paying Arbroath if it wasn't a "transfer fee" but if we've said we'd pay them then just do it. £16000 is not a lot to a football club. Re the players - total embarrasment. Get it sorted.
Re a protest - i do think it's hard to protest against something that you say may happen in the future - i.e. the club not being here - it's conjecture. Hibs had something actual to protest about. Look at what happened to the Man U and Liverpool protests - nothing. But i see where you're coming from.
101

Ghengis McCann,

Edinburgh 04/12/2008 13:41:54
#88 - "If some have been paid and some not, I would suggest that it is a banking issue and not a Hearts issue"

If some have been paid and some not, I would suggest that it is a "Hertz have not got enough cash to pay all their bills" issue and not a banking issue.
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Eighteen Seventy-Four,

04/12/2008 13:42:09
Dood

"Lets deal in hard facts here. The court of Arbitration for Sport have decreed that Hearts owe Arbroath this sum of money. Fact"

Did you just make that up?
103

markatview,

04/12/2008 13:44:18
# 89 So when it comes to crunch time and the hearts fans really do have to make a stand to save their club its going to be gordon combe leading from the front because of his experience with the hibs in times gone by , no don't think so, do us a favour and leave the cavalry charge for better placed jambos to decide when it is needed it is our club you know..
104

Dood,

04/12/2008 13:44:23
#96

I haven't googled it, can't really be bothered. Even the majority of your own punters have agreed that, while its not great, you owe Arbroath.

Hey ho though, if it makes you feel any better I'll concede that Hearts don't actually owe Arbroath anything, that Arbroath should just stop whining about this - it never happened.

There you go, you win. Well done.
105

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Dood,

04/12/2008 13:45:32
#99

Please see #101

Yes, I made it all up. It's all just nonsense. You owe Arbroath nothing. It's all a conspiracy.
107

DT is a JT,

04/12/2008 13:47:32
#37
We are the HM the HMFC ya dic k and any Hearts fan that says different is not a fan including the tw-at who changed it, well spotted #51
108

Glorious Hearts,

04/12/2008 13:48:37
101 you miss the point

You're the one sitting there spouting about "FACT" when it's simply not a fact.

I haven't given my personal opinion on the situation once, that's not what this is about.
You said the CAS told Hearts to pay Arbroath and claimed it as FACT.
It's not fact and that's what I want to make clear on here so that no-one can be misled.
I was pulled up the other night for posting something that wasn't factually correct (although I believed it to be true at the time).
I was wrong and admitted it.

Your turn
109

Gordon Combe,

04/12/2008 13:49:38
#100 see #80
110

Scat Man,

04/12/2008 13:50:20
They dinae deserve any pay onyroads cos they're no hertz class the lot o thum man what a load ae premaradonnas an that ken honestly man what a joke vlad should pump them aw oot in january cos they're jist NO HERTZ CLASS an that's that i'm tellin you. vlad will always have ma backin hate aw these rumours aboot um no caring aboot the hertz an that cos its jist no true he spent his whole life workin towards this and its his dream like the rest ae us tae see the hertz lift the champions league an that, go on vlad keep going and dinae let anybody stop you.
111

Hibernianinc,

04/12/2008 13:50:57
#82

So, Webster was ordered to pay for breach of contract.

A sum deemed to relect his market value at the time.

A compensation payment for a normal transfer not happening.

Arbroath challenged herts for their cut. Were awarded it by arbitration. Vlad agreed liability and accepted herts would pay (a reduced sum).

Now, that's pretty much a blow by blow account of what actually happened. I summarised it by stating that herts got monies as a result of Websters move to Wigan.

Reading back, what I've said scans fine to me.

Which bits do you reckon I've got wrong?
112

Glorious Hearts,

04/12/2008 13:51:59
102 once again is not me

c'mon Scotsman, stop this waste of skin!

Serg-

Pathetic [puh-thet-ik]
miserably or contemptibly inadequate

Liar [lahy-er]
a person who tells lies
113

Eighteen Seventy-Four,

04/12/2008 13:55:26
101/103

So now its not CAS that agrees, its the majority of our punters.

So admittedly your earlier fact cannot be backed up, hobos and facts just dont go.
114

Who?,

04/12/2008 13:58:25
RE: Dood

Since when did CAS have the authority to rule over sell on clauses in players contracts? The FACT is that type of ruling is outwith their remit and durisdiction! If arbroath have a problem they can go to court.

As has already been stated webster paid the money as a form of criminal compensation for illegally breaking his contract. If you don't understand that then google it!
115

Dood,

04/12/2008 13:59:29
I have another suggestion.

Since all this has been made up, since Arbroath are actually owed NO money (please refer to the two posters above), then surely Hearts should take Arbroath to the Court of Session. I'd say that there's a great case for slander here.

And with legal luminaries such as those above on the case, I can see Hearts taking millions in compensation off them. Hence paving the way for a debt free club. Ahhh, I see Vlad's plan now!!!
116

Glorious Hearts,

04/12/2008 13:59:36
108 "Arbroath challenged herts for their cut. Were awarded it by arbitration."

Still not true. There has been no ruling to say Hearts owe Arbroath money.
This, my friends, is a FACT
117

Glorious Hearts,

04/12/2008 14:01:55
112 Dood, I'll admit you're pretty good at squirming and changing tack, but are you ready to admit your quoted "Facts" are not actually factual?

For the final time today, the CAS did not rule Hearts owe Arbroath money, despite your claims. Fact
118

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04/12/2008 14:05:33
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Glorious Hearts,

04/12/2008 14:07:02
115 of course is not me, it's pathetic Serg again

Sort it Scotsman!

Dood is wrong I'm afraid and Serg is a cretin
120

John H,

edinburgh 04/12/2008 14:08:49
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED
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The Hon. Liam Fairtod,

04/12/2008 14:09:01
You know, there's a guy who sits next to me, bald as a coot. He's been engaged in a debate with a similarly follically challenged colleague who claims he stole his comb.
But they've both just put aside their differences, read the posts about whether Hearts "owe" Arbroath the money, or merely "said they'd pay it", and have unanimously declared that this argument is a complete waste of everyone's time.
122

Edinburghs Finest,

04/12/2008 14:09:51
#113... Who cares about the £14k!!! You are like a dog with a a bone about it as it seems to distract you from the bigger issue that your club appears to be in financial meltdown!! You are like Nero fiddling whilst Rome burned...

Personally I think its effing hilarious!! C'mon the Vlad!
123

Hardon collider,

04/12/2008 14:10:03
A Jambo come rain or shine:

I am a hardon? You mean I'm 6 foot tall with a bright purple head? Reminds me of the right-wing fans of a certain footie team..

As for cheating on my boyfriend, well, I don't think so. When you've got steak at home, you don't go out for a Tynecastle scotch pie if you catch my drift wee man..
124

Edinburghs Finest,

04/12/2008 14:11:11
#115... Good of you to admit it!! ;-)
125

Glorious Hearts,

04/12/2008 14:16:26
119 the ONLY reason for my tenacity in this matter is one of your number representing fiction as fact. As stated before, I want the world to be clear about the facts of the situation, not the "facts" as Dood sees it.

For the record, If I see any evidence Hearts are in financial meltdown I'll be very concerned.
IF...
126

Dood,

04/12/2008 14:17:01
Oh dearie me. Appears that I've made a right fool of myself again. Of course Hearts owe Arbroath nothing. How dare they make such claims, cheeky wee upstarts.

It's a conspiracy, I tell you, a conspiracy.
127

Dood,

04/12/2008 14:17:55
#122

No you're right. Everything in the garden is ROSY.
128

Sarajevoiwasthere ,

Back in London 04/12/2008 14:18:18
Apparently Hibs aren't getting their win bonuses on account of the fact they don't win. Fester Road is going to be used as a car park for a charity shop. FACT
129

Astaroth,

04/12/2008 14:20:33
Yams:

More bad news-

Pretty soon you will be selling your players to stay afloat and once that's done you will have some pseudo signings / loans and the usual dreggs from Eastern Europe "playing" for you again.
And then it's the normal service as usual as the shambolic HMFC circus arrives in January for you lot.
The writing is on the wall.
And the newspapers.
And the Forums.
And in players pay packets - Admin charges! FFS man.
Who's getting rammed by who here?

YOU ARE.


GGTTH
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Edinburghs Finest,

04/12/2008 14:21:27
#122 Do the grains of sand not get under your eyelids down there?

Move along now nothing to see here it's just a "blip" or was it a "glitch" . Wonder who will get paid tomorrow... Cant wait for the next installment from Jongleurs FC.
131

Glorious Hearts,

04/12/2008 14:22:00
122 Dood you're the one who made a big deal about dealing in "hard facts" and then said the CAS ruled in favour of Arbroath. You still haven't admitted this isn't the case.
Straight down Own-Up Avenue, take a left at Admit You Were Wrong Street and a 3rd right should get you back on to Credibility Crescent
132

Edinburghs Finest,

04/12/2008 14:22:44
#125 oh dear... I feel a bit embarrassed for you..

Was that the best you could do...?

Oh dear.. oh deary dear...
133

markatview,

04/12/2008 14:23:38
#119 And still the hobos can't take advantage , shows you how weak you lot are , fancy spartans to overtake you lot..
134

Hibernianinc,

04/12/2008 14:25:18
#113

Vlad agreed to pay Arbroth monies following discussions with representatives from herts, Arbroath and a 3rd party. Again, confirmed on BBC today.

I think that closes all the avenues you can go. However, as it's been proving difficult for you -

herts said they would pay Arbroath £14k. They haven't yet. Arbroath want it. herts are in the wrong.

Anything to say on these 4 sentences?
135

Sarajevoiwasthere ,

London 04/12/2008 14:28:25
129, you sound like someone's Granny,in fact, you probably are someone's granny. Bye bye .
136

Dood,

04/12/2008 14:29:35
#131

Fiver says he disagrees.
137

Glorious Hearts,

04/12/2008 14:30:52
131 I just read that story. Where does it say anything about a 3rd party or arbitration?
In this thread it's been claimed that the CAS ruled Hearts owed Arbroath money but this is not true.

If you read my posts, I've NEVER inferred Hearts shouldn't pay Arbroath any money, all I'm saying is that there has been no ruling by the CAS as has been claimed on here.

Anything to say about these few sentences?
138

Glorious Hearts,

04/12/2008 14:32:16
133 Dood you were wrong, end of story. Your "fact" was not factual. Hold your hand up, admit it and we can all move on
139

Edinburghs Finest,

04/12/2008 14:33:50
#132... Jeez you really are not very funny are you. Still, listen if you think you are contributing then you go for it...Im sure all the readers of the board think you are a "hoot"!!
140

Edinburghs Finest,

04/12/2008 14:34:42
#135...some of us have moved on! Maybe just maybe you should too...
141

Weel Kent Jambo,

04/12/2008 14:35:44
#1 You were spot on, predictably and sadly.

Let them prattle on if they want - they need anything to keep their minds off the fate of their own underperformers who are now one point nearer to bottom place than they are to us in third. And with a game against Celtic to come this weekend. No wonder they're over here in their droves with their fantasies.

Not worth dignifying their posts with a reply.
142

Edinburghs Finest,

04/12/2008 14:36:25
#130... Hey good gag... no it was really... honest.

Keep up the fine work...Peter Kay must be sh*tting himself.
143

Edinburghs Finest,

04/12/2008 14:38:08
#138... Nothing to say about the latest embarrassment for Hearts then?? Just have a pop at the Hibs fans and it will all go away... just close your eyes really tight and think of good things...
144

Sir Albert Kidd,

04/12/2008 14:58:35
Laughing stock
145

The Accountant,

Fife 04/12/2008 14:59:15
I am neither a Hibs or a Hearts fan - East Fife is my club.

I am astonished at the head in the sand attitude of some Hearts fans on here - your club is in all likelihood very close to going out of business and no amount of boasting on league position compared to Hibs will change this.

Do none of you remember Gretna - players wages being unpaid because allegedly someone couldnt sign a cheque. If a business is late paying wages then it is very much writing on the wall, this isnt a conspiracy by Hibs fans working for the Scotsman, your club may well disappear, get organised and preppare for the forthcoming battle to keep the name Heart of Midlothian alive
146

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04/12/2008 14:59:36
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Sir Albert Kidd,

04/12/2008 15:00:39
141 Talk o' the Toun,04/12/2008 14:49:00
The parasites are resurected & circle AGAIN!...

Don't you mean "RESURRECTED" Trumpet.
148

Vlad Magic,

04/12/2008 15:01:41
6 out of 6 this weekend and close the gap on the Gers?

Believe!!
149

Vlad Magic,

04/12/2008 15:03:06
#141 Afternoon TOTT. Hows things matey?
150

Hibees forever,

Portobello 04/12/2008 15:13:34
Just on sky sports news that Hearts have said that they refuse to comment on the story that a number of high profile first team players have not been paid. In other words its true!

just makes you think why the club lied on monday saying in saying all players had now been payed!!

a third technical glitch?? dont think so. I wasnt one who jumped on bandwaggon first time this happened as it could well have been a glitch, but three times? and then lying to the fans on monday? as #143 says this is how gretna started going downhill.
151

Sir Albert Kidd,

04/12/2008 15:21:35
I say bring in the admins quickly,

The quicker the better.
The whole of scottish football are laughing at this gorgie circus.
152

huggs,

04/12/2008 15:23:56
Why should Hearts comment on Sky
Keep things in house
Third in the SPL and getting better

HMFC
153

The Gorgie Boys Are In Town,

04/12/2008 15:25:54
I knew when Hearts beat the weegies this would be the response from this pesh poor reporter. A whole load of turtle cack as is the norm and the thick hobos who really show themselves to be complete nob jockies, not a single sensible poster on here, not that i'm surprised as littlest hobos know what is coming in January. Keep it up though cretins as it makes the Hobos board able to keep fleecing you all of your drug money
154

Andy1,

04/12/2008 15:29:08
BBC news now reporting 'several' other creditors.

Happy days.

Why don't you lot start taking in the messages, stop blaming outside parties for reporting on the mess and do something about it.

Too late? Oh well.
155

huggs,

04/12/2008 15:34:13
#152 Happy Days
Scumbag sums you lot up
156

Rambo The Jambo,

4-0 at Hampden 04/12/2008 15:37:28
# 138 Weel Kent Jambo

Yep, seems that Sir Albert Kidd et al only need the feeblest of excuses to pre-empt our impending implosion/meltdown/administration etc.

Jeez who will I support after January?

What will I do with my maroon scarf I've used since the 70's.
157

Aliistair,

CHAMPIONS OF EUROPE 04/12/2008 15:43:37
Was this not the year when Hertz were to be champions of Europe
LOL
LOL
LOL
LOL
LOL
LOL
LOL
158

Jasbar,

04/12/2008 15:44:25
And next weeks wages looming. And the week after that?

The only question is when this train is derailed.

Of course, it won't be red romy's fault, it will be the recession.

How long before someone is sitting 5 storeys above the centre circle reminiscing about the football played there?

If the club avoids being wound up, then home games are going to be at Murrayfield.

Anyone doubt this?
159

Maroon tinted glasses,

04/12/2008 15:46:11
156, nope, who told you that?
160

Dood,

04/12/2008 15:50:53
#154 Rambo

You could always take it to Gayfield and cheer Arbroath on.
161

Maroon tinted glasses,

04/12/2008 15:51:18
157,

Yep i do!!

Jasbar, is not a supporter of his own team and like most hoobies the demised of the one thing that stops his team being the "biggest in edinburgh" is the only thing that stops him from slipping into a drug induced coma on a daily basis.

Anyone doubt this?
162

Dood,

04/12/2008 15:55:43
#159 TOTT

Yes, but what are the chances of Administration? I've already posted (even as a Hobonomonist) that I've got no great desire to see this, but I actually can't see how it could happen. If Hearts are a small part of the UBIG group, then how can you place them into administration?

Without wanting to get too serious, is it not possible that the consequences are slightly more dire than just Administration?
163

sonofcosmos,

glasgow 04/12/2008 15:58:21
maybe hearts could ask celtic for a loan...

"English clubs received £4.14m and Scottish clubs £359,196 from Uefa for releasing players to play in this summer's Euro 2008 tournament.

Arsenal were England's top recipients, earning £732,760 for the efforts of players such as Spanish European Championship winner Cesc Fabregas.

In Scotland, Celtic earned £272,989, compared to four figure sums picked up by Inverness and Rangers."

164

Sarajevoiwasthere ,

London 04/12/2008 16:09:48
What a laugh. Radio Scotlond reports a number of creditors not being paid as "Arbroath and an agent". HA HA. I never got the right change for ma quorn curry pie on saturday,administration anyone.
165

Cod,

04/12/2008 16:18:28
Scotland's Gash in the winter.
166

Jambo.co.uk,

04/12/2008 16:19:38
Slavering & bed wetting seems to be the agenda for the vermin this afternoon.

You Hobo's really shouldn't go believing stories that are picked up from fan's forum sites ;-0


167

Maroon tinted glasses,

04/12/2008 16:20:02
164 what about all the 9000+ hoobs supporters who get shortchanged on a weekly basis, do you think they would be classed as hoobs creditors or would that be a police matter as they are regularly robbed of the price of a ticket.
168

Maroon tinted glasses,

04/12/2008 16:21:21
165, romanovs fault i suppose?

thats it Scotland and Winter is going into administration

tick tock
169

Hibernianinc,

04/12/2008 16:25:49
#134

Only that you appear to be arguing over a technicality.

Vlad said he'd pay. I, and others, understood this was in the context of a 3rd party. Let's agree that whether this is the case or not, it's not relevant.

herts are due to money to Arbroath. End of.

Care to join us in pointing this out to some of your jambo pals?
170

LionheartFodithman,

04/12/2008 16:28:23
Gosh
Lots of foaming at the gills by the Hobo's today.

Thats internet stories for ya.
171

Maroon tinted glasses,

04/12/2008 16:29:22
All hoobs supporters will be pleased to know that they can reclaim any money wasted on hoobs tickets under the sale of goods act 1994, it states that if a product is faulty, broken, is not what was decribed at the point of sale ("football" club not hoofball club) or has any parts missing (goalkeeper, defense and midfield) then they would be entitled to a full refund!
172

Maroon tinted glasses,

04/12/2008 16:34:40
168 ARE YOU STILL PRATTLING ON ABOUT THAT?? we are well past that subject now and have moved onto "administration" (again) keep with the programme will you.

173

Bigwull,

edinburgh 04/12/2008 16:36:30
Looks like hobos have learned to read and write, heaven forbid they might even start working for a living, nah that'd be pushing it too far, mind you pushing? They know all about that.
174

Chas Niceass,

04/12/2008 16:36:56
I thought all the Hoobs would be headed to Belgium to get Benji.
What - Hibs play football similar to the English League in the 60's - Hoofball, nah, not possible surely Benji. After all Flair was invented in Leith.
175

Chas Niceass,

04/12/2008 16:39:09
#168 I can almost guarantee that Hoobs owe money to someone too.
Only thing is no one could care less as they are a two bob bit club with little interest.
Tell you what I bet even Real Madrid owe a fair bit of dosh.
176

Maroon tinted glasses,

04/12/2008 16:40:46
173, How dare you!! i think you will find that EVERY hooby is in fulltime employment as accountants or financial advisors.
177

These Colours don't run,

04/12/2008 16:55:25
#171 I agree that Hearts will not go into administration unless something happened to UBIG as a whole, but (and I agree it is a but), there is a chance they may sell off all the assets to recoup some of the outstanding debt as they do not see Hearts being in a position to trade out of their losses without major investment i.e. new stand/hotels and I think we all know that will not be built in the current economic environment (Neither will the East Stand at Hibs).

178

sexy sue,

edinburgh 04/12/2008 16:58:41
TIC TOCK TIC TOCK BYE FOR HIBS NEXT ROUND OF THE CUP TIC TOCK TIC TOCK THE HEARTS ARE OUT THE BOX
179

huggs,

04/12/2008 17:02:55
well thats the best chance you have of going through
180

markatview,

04/12/2008 17:08:02
#179 thats the only chance theyve got to get through..
181

sexy sue,

edinburgh 04/12/2008 17:08:03
MERRY XMAS JAMBOS AND A SAD NEW YEAR
182

Maroon tinted glasses,

04/12/2008 17:13:50
181 it will be a sad new year for you when your ONLY asset will be flogged to the first team to offer more than £2 mill. i recon it will be between hoobs and hamilton to fight it off for relegation!
183

cannyseetheflairlike,

04/12/2008 17:21:02
Hibs fh annies obsessed with the Big Team, same old
184

ronaldo,

Edinburgh 04/12/2008 17:21:17
This puts a new meaning on "Playing for the jersey". Joking apart, this coupled with other unpaid debts makes our club a laughing stock.Our hard headed business man is a total embarassment, and always comes up with something to upset the team when we are going well.
Surely now all those fans who say stick by him through thick and thin can see that those of us who did not renew this season are doing it, not because we are fair weather fans, but because we genuinely feel that this is the only way of showing our disapproval of the way that this numpty is ruining our club
185

Dood,

04/12/2008 17:29:50
#171 TOTT

Good point, well made. At least your head's not buried in the sand.

#175 Chas

Yes, you are of course correct. Hibs do owe money and do have debt. Difference being of course that we pay our creditors as and when necessary. As most other clubs do. The point here is that Hearts aren't. Feel free to keep your head buried but if it were me club, I'd not be too happy.

Then again, cheap jibes about Benji, hoofball, 107 etc etc etc are sure to deflect from your clubs problems. Well done and apologies for trying to remain objective.

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No offical comment from tynecastle as usual. If he can no longer bank roll hearts he should be honest instead of leaving everyone wondering, but then again the fans mean sfa to the romanovs
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They think its all over! it is now!!!!!!
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Munter,

Musselburgh 04/12/2008 18:44:37
Speaking as a Hibs fans, what exactly do some of the morons who have posted here claiming allegiance to Hibs think would be good about Hearts going out of business ?
No really, what would be good about it ?
You think Hibs would suddenly be propelled into the Champions League or something ?
Get a grip.
If Hearts go under it would be a body blow for Scottish football, no doubt about it.
I just hope the Hearts fans who seem to think that all the stories that appear in the Evening News and Scotsman are part of a Hibs plot because the reporters sources aren't named wake up and take what is going on seriously.
Other than that, see you at ER in 2009 Jambo scum !
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OK Lets cut out the nonsense. This is getting more serious by the hour and if the players do not get paid to-morrow and/or the other outstanding monies reportedly due it is only a matter of time before closure. The eastern European markets are in free fall and UBIG being part of and only part of UKIO Bankas will most definitely be feeling the effects on the balance sheet.
There can be no denying that this is case and the consequences for HMFC being as they are an investment which is losing money week in week out for UBIG the financial situation requires that they stop digging the hole. What then ?
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04/12/2008 18:50:19
192 What on earth would you know, are you an accountant for Hearts, UBIG or Ukio Bankas.
One consoling factor for Hearts supporters Tommy Totrash has never ever been right
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GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

04/12/2008 18:53:01
I'm inclined not to believe reports with no sources quoted, plus when facts are simply wrong. The BBC tonight said hearts owed Arbroath for the "transfer" of Webster to Wigan, when no transfer took place. The un-named "agent" apparently owed money has been told he will get it in January, according to the Beeb, and is OK with that. The un-named players who apparently have not been paid have agreed to be paid late (also according to the Beeb). So it doesn't seem like the club is going under after all.

Yesterday, apparently the players were "locked out" of Riccarton, despite the fact that the pitch was frozen ad youth players were actually training there. It's all nonsense. The media would never get away with this kind of sensational, unsubstantiated reporting about Rangers or Celtic.

Until we have sources, why should any of this be believed, especially when they continually fail to report the Webster affair properly?

Simple question - has Webster paid Hearts the comp yet?


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washupliquid,

04/12/2008 19:03:11
195 Wake up.If you supporters dont come out and demonstrate about the way your club is being run then you can only blame yourselves when the bubble bursts.
You and the players are being taken to the cleaners and the player revolt wont be long in coming.
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GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

04/12/2008 19:04:39
#192 I happen to know for sure that every single thing in your post is false.

#196 Ditto

The debt is UBIG debt. It was all transferred. UBIG could well sell the entire Hearts set-up but they would lose money. Hearts are one of a few businesses owned by UBIG. So long as UBIG finances are relatively OK (as well as any businesses finances can be OK these days) then Hearts are OK. Money can always be shuffled around the various businesses like in any business group. Either way, they will try to sell Hearts before just winding the club up - in that case someone here will take the club over or the club will do what Gretna are doing and start again.

End result - Hearts are going to stick around.

I wonder if the journalists at the Herald will be writing sensational stories about Hearts going under and everyone losing their jobs, given that every single Herald and Sunday Herald journalist has just been made redundant. These are the times we live in - all clubs and businesses are affected. Fact is, if Hearts still banked with HBOS we'd be in admin by now, so we should be reasonably thankful we're with Romanov under the circumstances.
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GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

04/12/2008 19:06:07
#198 Demonstrate about what - an unbsubstantiated story in the media, when they get stories wrong all the time? If we did that, we'd run out of placards.

It's incredible that Hibs fans are up in arms at every negative story in the papers about Hibs, yet believe every word they read about Hearts - even in the DR and Sun!
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04/12/2008 19:12:11


For all those going on about Hearts and administration and have been saying it for some time.

We might go into administration tomorrow. We might not. We might go into administration in a years time, we might not. Might be a year, 4 years, 10 years? Someone might go there first? Maybe Rangers? Maybe Chelsea with their 600mil debt? WHO KNOWS????

If and when Hearts are to go down. What will you say?

"Told you so" And then when you wake up in the morning and go about your life, nothing will really have changed will it?

So how long are you willing to wait just to say "told you so".

Hmm. Think about it.



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04/12/2008 19:13:20
you hearts fans seem to think that we give a dam hope you go down the tubes just for your arrogance . wich you know you have
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GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

04/12/2008 19:18:55
Another thought about administration - it's not even the end of the club if it happens. Ask Motherwell, Livingston and Dundee fans. Other clubs within a whisker of it were Hibs, Celtic and Dunfermline. Could happen to Hearts. Could not as the previous poster said. If it does, we could do a Motherwell and come it of it in better shape - new owner, new resolve not to make the same mistakes.

Sure, Hibs may get the upper hand in Edinburgh for a while, but it will be a bitter sweet feeling, as underneath they will know they benefited form someone else's misfortune rather than their own efforts. And they'll always be looking over their shoulders as a resurgent, revitalised Hearts comes to get them! I quite like the idea of administration to be honest - gets Romanov off our backs at least so we can get some other idiot owner, as most of them seem to be.

So calm your pants.
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04/12/2008 19:19:03
i cant believe there is hibs fans want hearts to go into administration, when hibs got relagated i was gutted no more derby games, if they just went forever i would be devastated, n derby ever again, who then would your rivals be,anyone with half a brain knows that without a rival club life would be even more dull in the spl than it already is, and any hibby that thinks hearts rip would put there crowds up they must be mad, anyhow other clubs have went into administration and are still going strong, so if yer a real edinburgh boy then there's now way you should want heart's not exsist anymore, if you do then you must be one bitter twisted person.
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04/12/2008 19:19:38
Dont even bother answering #204. He doesnt have a clue what he is on about.
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04/12/2008 19:20:31
#204 "What has the debt purchased?"

It's in the accounts. He inherited 20-odd million. The rest is from running up an increasingly unsustainable wage bill. It's not hard to see. he didn't but anything - he spent unwisely on salaries.
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This is becoming embarrassing. Yes I believe it and its a shoddy way to run a business. Not acceptable
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04/12/2008 19:25:05
#206

I had to read some 200+ posts to find a like mind.

Mind you though your post took some reading because of the punctuation (or lack of), try not to type in haste - but hey! \you think like me and I agree with you.
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GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

04/12/2008 19:26:01
#209 You really are a complete and utter tool and I can't believe I engaged you in conversation.
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Vlad Magic,

04/12/2008 19:26:58
#209 Really? Shall I explain reality?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HupUdDlLY18

That is reality.
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Vlad Magic,

04/12/2008 19:28:09
Now stick that in yer jacksy and smoke it:0)
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Journalistic licence,

04/12/2008 19:30:01
I've got nothing to say on this
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Vlad Magic,

04/12/2008 19:35:24
OOOH Tommy gets all excited over wages not being paid. You live a very boring life.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HupUdDlLY18

Now thats exciting!!! That my hobo friend is reality. Get used to it.
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04/12/2008 19:36:35
Now while Tommy prattles on for an hour or so getting all "semi" over this issue, I'm off to watch tv:0)

Have fun Tommy.
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GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

04/12/2008 19:39:20
#217 Is there a factory somewhere where they turn out your kind of Hibs fan (in increasing numbers it seems)?

Each walking, talking Hibs loony and keyboard hardman comes complete with dribbling chin and the following features as standard:

- Chips on both shoulders
- Inferiority complex
- Detached from reality
- Unable to separate fact from fiction
- Can't see the difficulties faced by their own team
- Can't see the hypocrisy in nearly seeing their own club go to the wall and yet still wishing another club's death
- Lack of understanding about basic football tactics
- Constantly rewriting history
- Constantly changing their minds
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As a Hibs season ticket holder, the last thing I would want to see is Hearts going out of business. I enjoy the derby games and also don't forget that it was thanks to Hearts agreeing to play us that the Scottish League let us join, at a time when there was strong anti-Irish/Catholic antagonism shown by that body against the Hibs.

I do feel the Hearts supporters are being treated as mugs by the owner, and have been for some time, but there again most clubs tend to treat fans' loyalties with contempt. Just look at the prices we have to pay for a start.
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04/12/2008 19:47:37
tommytommy, you are the kind of vermon t@t that makes mt stomach churn, enjoying the fact that hearts may be in trouble, and may go into administration, just proves there is that simple minded element of idiot's supporting hibs, so why dont you get of the thread's and fu###ff.
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04/12/2008 19:51:12
It's nice to see all the fans of other clubs coming on and taking such an interest in our well being but don't you worry your pretty little heads about us not until you meet us on the pitch, then you'll have plenty to worry about.

It's been said before on this thread IF Hearts were to go under they would rise from the ashes again, it may take a while but it would happen. The fans wouldn't just take a trip over town and start going to Easter Rd. Think about it yourselves if the boot was on the other foot would you be dragged kicking and screaming to Tynecastle? Didn't think so Hearts will live on no matter what.
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you are a celtic fan who cant afford the bus fare, or the ticket, i wouldn't be surprised if this was typical vermon trying to stir thing's up before the derby,and i dont expect anything less from you sneaky slimey traitors to scotland.
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Roscoe P Coltrane,

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Howdy

Once again, I think I've had a hard day and then come on here and the ever present TT cheers me up no end!

Tommy, I've not been on here recently as much as I used to, but you've been spouting the same old kiech on here for months and months, and not once, despite being challenged multiple times, have you backed up your outrageous statements.

Simple economics lesson for you here. Take on a business with c£20m debt. Run a wages bill that is greater than your turnover. Also spend money on player registrations and other things like community initiatives. That means you spend more money than you've got coming in, ergo debt increases. If you spend more in a month than you get in wages, you run up an overdraft. If you spent that extra money on pints of lager, "what assets did it buy".

No, things at Tynie are not ideal, and Romanov is a t!t IMO, but you are an evil little troll who doesn't have the first clue what you're talking about.

But hey, if it keeps the focus off how meaningless your life is, who am I to stop you? I'll just keep laughing!
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Sir Albert Kidd,

04/12/2008 20:51:26
Why have HEARTS players not received their wages.

I blame the referee....

DOHBALLS.

HIBS OWN THE CITY OF EDINBURGH...

bring on the january games.....
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Roscoe P Coltrane,

04/12/2008 20:59:13
No response TT?

Quelle surprise!

I'm off to listen to Music For The Jilted Generation - great days.

"Fvck 'em, and their law."
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04/12/2008 20:59:42
Dont you find it just a tad coincidental that when the hearts find a bit of form on the field that events off the field begin to take precedence , been a few good posts on here the day #191 was a good honest hobo comment that caught my eye add that to post #228 and i think you get the gist of the way events would go post HMFC. Hearts are not the Romanovs or anyother who decides they wish to own a club, Hearts are the supporters and there is no way that will die ..
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Wheres the tts wages?
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Roscoe P Coltrane,

04/12/2008 21:05:21
Wow. Economics degrees. Plural. I'm impressed.

Unfortunately, economics is not banking. And I've got qualifications for that coming out of my ears and years of experience. Big, fat, hairy deal. And I dont' have LAST YEAR's accounts in front of me right at this second, but I've read them often. Why so interested in the accounts of another club anyway?

If you're so knowledgeable, how come you don't get the simple concept that not all money spent is spent on assets? No, Romanov has not run the business well, it's lunacy to spend more than you earn, especially at the rate he's done it. I've got an overdraft - does that mean I'm ripping myself off? No.

Keep on wishing and hoping. It might happen, it might not, but an increase in debt does not ipso facto mean that the poison dwarf is ripping us off. I just hope you're happy wishing the worst for other people. Watch that ulcer!
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Roscoe P Coltrane,

04/12/2008 21:06:20
By the way TT, "present the facts"?

Right back at ya.

But you won't.

You never have and never will because it's all in your head.
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Roscoe P Coltrane,

04/12/2008 21:08:36
Ah well, it's been fun kids, but this time I really am off.

Enjoy the existential funk TT, you deserve it.

Cheers.

RPC
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markatview,

04/12/2008 21:13:04
RPC by chance have you got millions tucked away for a deserving cause ?

just asking !!
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Roscoe P Coltrane,

04/12/2008 21:16:43
Sorry Markat - I wish I did, but although I'm fairly comfortable I'm one of those rare things these days, an honest banker that doesn't spend money that I don't have!

Probably why I'm very likely to keep my job.......

Shouldn't rise to the bait but can't help myself! Maybe it's the Prodigy on in the background - seriously, fire on Radio 1, not my normal listening but playing the whole album in full. 90's classic.
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Roscoe P Coltrane,

04/12/2008 21:18:20
Oh, and if I did have a spare few mil tucked away I'd be speaking to Vlad right now!

Chance would be a fine thing......

Maybe I can have a word with Andy Hornby, he's not short of a bob or two after selling BOS down the river.
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markatview,

04/12/2008 21:23:18
I wish there was a few more of you in the banking industry in the past ten years then , the country probably would'nt be in the mess its in just now.
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Vlad Magic,

04/12/2008 21:26:05
I have secretly been saying for years on A.Nother forum that prodigy would release another album.

Told you so.

:0)
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Roscoe P Coltrane,

04/12/2008 21:28:05
Totally agree with you there mate. Enough people saw it coming but those at the top wouldn't listen.

That's why I took a fair hit in the pocket and left one of the 'big two' that are now in soapy and moved to a small, but growing, bank that actually practices the concept of prudence. Not Gordon Brown's version, but the basic idea that you don't lend out money that you don't have in the first place. That way you don't get knackered when, as recently happened, all the banks realised they were all dodgy and stopped lending to each other.

Do you think there's any coincidence that it's a Spanish bank that's buying up several of our high street banks, and that Spanish banking law forbids lending money you don't have?

But then, that's what happens when you put a supermarket manager in charge of a bank!
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Roscoe P Coltrane,

04/12/2008 21:29:29
VM - it's called something like "Invaders Must Die" and it should be out in March!

'Mon the Prodge!

Although I'm feeling pretty old right now - don't think I can rave like I used to. That old Global Hypercolour tshirt just shows off my moobs these days.....
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04/12/2008 21:34:13
Wasnt much of a prodigy fan bt liked the obvious one firestarter however just turned on r1 and to be honest i like it , i'm converted ..
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Roscoe P Coltrane,

04/12/2008 21:35:58
Good man - remember this is 14+ years old now and still sounding proper! I'm not their biggest fan, but I did and still do love this album - reminds me of some belting times. Dance as social commentary - got to love it!
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04/12/2008 21:36:03
#256

Were you part of the rez generation?
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Roscoe P Coltrane,

04/12/2008 21:37:12
"Fvck's sake man, I'm trying to write this fvckin' tune man!"
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Roscoe P Coltrane,

04/12/2008 21:38:20
Nah, not particularly, bit too hardcore. This was probably the first dance album I really, really got into.
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Roscoe P Coltrane,

04/12/2008 21:39:13
That's if you don't count The Stone Roses or Screamadelica as dance.....
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Vlad Magic,

04/12/2008 21:39:57
Prepare yourselves for "No Good Start The Dance", one of the finest dance songs ever released.
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Roscoe P Coltrane,

04/12/2008 21:40:08
Hearts got the poison, Vlad's not the remedy....
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Roscoe P Coltrane,

04/12/2008 21:41:20
Well said VM! Just crank up the volume, shut yer eyes and suddenly you're 15 years younger!
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Roscoe P Coltrane,

04/12/2008 21:42:35
That's what made this album so great, it opened up dance music to indie and rock fans. Dance music but with melody at its core.

Sorry for slipping into Muso mode there!
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04/12/2008 21:43:46
HERE WE GO!!!
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markatview,

04/12/2008 21:44:24
Getting too into this ,'ah got the poison ah got the remedy ' reminds me of vlad ahhhhhhh..
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Roscoe P Coltrane,

04/12/2008 21:44:51
HANDS IN THE AIR!!!
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04/12/2008 21:45:00
Break and Enter is still my favourite from the album.
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Roscoe P Coltrane,

04/12/2008 21:45:17
Safe man, safe.
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04/12/2008 21:47:35
Sung by Kelly Charles. Facto for ya
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Roscoe P Coltrane,

04/12/2008 21:51:38
Cheers for the facto!

Just think, there'll be millions of people around the world listening to the same album right now......
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04/12/2008 21:58:03
3 Kilos. Possibly the coolest flute ever!
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04/12/2008 22:07:35
Impressed by this album , will be downloaded and on the fone by start of work tomorrow , thank you RPC ,

Keep up the good work regards tt and co .

thank you markat.
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Roscoe P Coltrane,

04/12/2008 22:19:32
Cheers boys, have a good night. Markat, hope you enjoy it, you've made the right decision! I'm off for my horlicks and slippers......

Although now he's playing some Waterfall by the Roses. The b'stard.
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Xacobeo Hearts,

Galicia, soon to be flat-bound in dance stylee! 04/12/2008 22:24:59
...damn,damn,damn! Do believe all my Prodigy tunes are still on vinyl back home!!!!

But I DO have all my Orbital & Chemical Brothers CDs so all is not lost.

Could even finish up with a wee taste of Tangerine Dream before beddy-byes - German ambientasticness from a truly bygone era.

....erm and about the Jambos??

Nah, cannae be bothered even starting on THAT track at the mo.
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Pilrig,

Livingston 04/12/2008 22:46:15
ST BERNARDS....THIRD LANARK....GRETNA....HMFC !!!!!
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Pilrig,

Livingston 04/12/2008 22:47:28
NAE PIY IN GORGIE !!!!
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Roscoe P Coltrane,

04/12/2008 22:51:59
Of course there's NAE PIY in gorgie, Nade ate them all......

Ayethangyew.

Xacobeo - enjoy!

(ps you can get it on itunes for about £6)

Sorry to everybody who was looking for Hearts chat by the way......... you're generally safe from me during the day.......
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No pay in Gorgie,

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I am deeply upset by this story...

ha ha ha
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jamtart,

Beechboro Western Australia 04/12/2008 23:27:38
The sad fact is that again the hibs fans have shown that the vast majority of them are more interested in Hearts than their sad little bunch of also rans.With the exception of a few(very few)they have proved to be total phuuds.
For any supporter of an Edinburgh team to wish the closure of the other is beyond belief.

As for the Arbroath situation Hearts got nothing from Wigan for the "transfer".As I have stated previously sod the greedy little kipper smoking phannies give them sweet FA.

bring on the hoobs

HMFC onwards and upwards

TOGETHER

MON THE JT'S
317

STRAT,

edinburgh 04/12/2008 23:47:36
I BET EVERYONE IS SICK OF SMALL MINDED GLASGOW MEDIA WHO HAVE ALWAYS HAD IT IN FOR ANY CLUB THAT HAS BEAT OR SPLIT OLD FIRM I REMEMBER THE DAYS IN THE 80'S ABERDEEN AND HEARTS SPLIT THEM THEN GLASGOW MEDIA RIDICULED THOSE TEAMS ESPECIALLY THOSE PAPERS DAILY RANGER AND CELTIC SUN ANY TEAM OUTSIDE OLD FIRM BE WARNED WHEN U TRY TO DO THE WRONG THING AND GO AGAINST THE GRAIN OOOH I THINK I WILL TOUCH SOME NERVES HERE ESPECIALLY THOSE AT SFA WHO WOULD JUST ASWELL TURN UP AT GAMES WEARING OLD FIRM SCARVES .
I CALL ON EVERY CLUB DIRECTOR TO STAND FIRM AND MAKE A STANCE AGAINST OLD FIRM AND SFA ENOUGH IS ENOUGH NO MORE THROWING GAMES NO MORE DUBIOUS DECISIONS
318

Gordon Combe,

05/12/2008 09:36:11
MARKATVIEW

Headlines: Daily Record - 5 December 2008

CASH CRISIS JAMBOS SET FOR JANUARY CULL

Maybe time to get the placards out now mate. If you need some support, give me a shout. Sad days indeed. Tick Tock. Act Now!
319

markatview,

05/12/2008 09:47:40
gordon gordon calm doon my wee hobo friend ,you need to stop reading that weegie rag and get youself some quality reading like may i suggest the beano or the dandy or even the beezer ['is that still going'] ,the stories in them have more truth to them than the daily ranjeers..
320

Gordon Combe,

05/12/2008 10:24:26
Knew you would say that but its coming from all quarters now mate, not just the Daily Ranger.

No more derbies, no more banter wi guys like you. That would be a disaster!

P.S. The Beezers also down the tubes as well I think. Christ mate, you must be older than me ;-)
321

hibbywul,

05/12/2008 11:10:02
Not wanting to get involved in a slanging match as I would hate to see Hearts "go under", but any official word on whether salaries and bonuses have been paid yet?
322

markatview,

05/12/2008 11:16:20
Accepted that there is stories flying aboot the place but until we get the official line from inside tynie then that is all they are am afraid mere stories , not saying that none of them are true but would rather wait until then , aye i am banging on a bit in terms of years so i would't doubt i could be older than you bud also being tortured daily by stories aboot my beloved jambos must be taken its toll on this fragile body of mine,
323

Gordon Combe,

05/12/2008 11:48:20
#287

Aye, know how you feel matey having been through it myself. Hopefully, it will all work out.

Anyway, I'm about to head off on my Christmas Lunch and have a wee swally.

Cheers ;-)

 

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