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Published Date: 02 February 2008
STUDENTS have been recruited to camp outside a city estate agents as investors from England and Ireland look to beat first-time buyers to new flats.
A group of six students spent the night in freezing conditions to be first in line when homes at the Springside development in Fountainbridge went on sale today.

They were hired by Warriston home search and relocation agency Into Edinburgh to camp outside Savills on Wemyss Place and act as proxies for their clients.

City council housing leader Paul Edie today said the move reinforced how difficult it had become for first-time buyers to get on to the Capital's housing ladder.

Demand for the first 58 flats, which start from £150,000, was expected to be so high that the students were told to be in position from midday yesterday.

It is not known whether they represented buy-to-let investors, but Into Edinburgh director Nigel Masterton said none of his clients was Scottish. He said yesterday: "It's not my place to ask what my clients are buying for. They just tell me what they're looking for.

"Scotland-based buyers may be expecting to turn up tomorrow to get the best deal, but clearly we've got the edge."

He refused to say how much the students were being paid, but added: "Students are very good for this kind of activity. Many of them travel so they know how to keep warm."

Cllr Edie said no-one should have to spend the night outside to secure a house. He said: "I'm assuming these buyers are buy-to-let clients, but it's an open market and estate agents are entitled to sell to whomever they please.

"If they are buy-to-let I would hope that they will rent the properties on for an affordable price, as I would be disappointed if local people were priced out of the Fountainbridge area.

"I think this reinforces the point that there is a need for more social housing in Edinburgh."

Chemistry student Kirsteen McEwen, 21 said: "We knew what we were letting ourselves in for so it's not like we've been coerced in any way. I can see why these houses are in demand because they're really central."

Cooking bacon outside Savills this morning, Ms McEwen said: "We had a tent and two cars between us, so it wasn't too bad overnight. The temperature was meant to have gone down to minus four, so we're happy to all be all right this morning."

Associate director of Savills Mark Coulter said: "I haven't seen anything like this since the height of the housing boom in 2003/04."

Grosvenor director John Irvine said: "There has been significant interest in Springside, which is testament to its excellent location and the quality mix of homes."

www.intoedinburgh.com
www.savills.co.uk

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  • Last Updated: 02 February 2008 12:35 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Mortgage and property news
 
1

alex paterson,

embra 02/02/2008 13:18:22
Students do many daft things in the cold and survive,good luck in beating these but to let bandits.
2

RAS Putin,

Auchterarder 02/02/2008 13:35:56
There's always a greater fool in the property market. Until one day - very, very soon - there isn't.
3

snotter,

02/02/2008 13:39:36
Gee, what a publicity stunt

A bunch of students paid a few measly quid to make a bogus que

You just cant buy that kind of advertising.

Now can we have a follow up story from EN
"ropey cheap flats hard to sell despite collusion of developer and well known estate agent in time worn publicity stunt"
4

Chris.J,

Edinburgh 02/02/2008 14:22:00
Please please tell me this PR set-up, market ramping non-news, is not a "Top Story".... oh no, hang on, this is the Evening News, of course it is.
5

Paul Voltaire,

02/02/2008 14:38:25
The spelling and grammar of the contributors here is, atroeshis.
6

Gothic Rose,

02/02/2008 14:39:55
If music be the food of love,play on.
7

cath426,

Edinburgh, but thankfully not much longer... 02/02/2008 14:43:18
"If they are buy-to-let I would hope that they will rent the properties on for an affordable price, as I would be disappointed if local people were priced out of the Fountainbridge area."

If the starting price is £150,000 most normal people (unless they lie) are priced out anyway. That would be a mortgae of about £1000 a month. If it's a one-bed flat, these wonderfully canny "investors" will be forced by the market to rent it cheaper than their mortgage (or equivalent savings interest) would be anyway. Hardly an investment any sane person would buy, never mind queue up to buy.

8

Bien E. Bien,

02/02/2008 14:52:31
Buy-to-let on a 1 bedroom flat at £150,000 makes very little sense. Given the current interest rate and rental yield environment, and costs of maintaining property, the returns are just not there.

Also, if you are not a cash buyer, there will a significant amount of convexity risk: if interest rates rise, which they may well do, then your capital may well fall by a greater degree. And if you are a cash buyer, think of the opportunity cost.
9

Red wine lover,

Edinburgh 02/02/2008 15:02:30
Surely the most ironic aspect of this article is that in a few years time, these students will be the self-same young professionals struggling to get their foot on the property ladder because of the shortage of affordable properties caused by (largely) English buy-to-letters!
10

Rover2000,

Scotland 02/02/2008 19:48:05
Are you sure this isn't a blatant property ramping stunt carried out by local estate agents and developers to drum
non interest in these properties? How can students afford these properties?
11

robbee,

edinburgh 02/02/2008 20:03:14

Bit of a surprise given that prices in Edinburgh have been falling for the last few months. Particularly given the turmoil in the financial sector. Anybody else smell a rat here? Does the Journo / Editor have a BTL portfolio perhaps? Front page news?
12

thaijambo,

Edinburgh 03/02/2008 00:13:35
#14 You are wrong. Prices have not been falling. In fact prices have never ever went down in Edinburgh. Don't believe the papers. If you want the facts then The Registers of Scotland have them as they deal with every property in Edinburgh, and Scotland of course. The only blip was 1991 but even then they went up a tiny bit and they took around 6 months to sell. However there has never been -ve equity in Scotland unlike large parts of Engerland.
13

Roger Irrelevant,

03/02/2008 01:02:25
"Nigel Masturb4t0r (S4villes) said none of his clients was Scottish". So that was a totally wrong headline on the newsstands today, you Can'ts!


But he couldn't write the total w4nk that appears on this site 6 days a week.

I for one can't wait for the housing market to collapse. And it will, brothers and sisters.

The only people who can pay these prices are gangsters, drug dealers and money launderers.

We don't need new laws to confiscate these assets from the mafia, the Russians or the Saudi Royal Family.
14

Julian,

EDINBURGH 03/02/2008 04:00:17
#12 rulesbutnotrulers,

At last, someone else who has seen the light.

There's a simple root cause of property prices in Edinburgh: The mass buy-to-let landlords.

And there's a simple solution: only grant planning permission to builders if the leases of the properties being sold stipulate that they can't be rented out.
15

cath426,

03/02/2008 10:11:14
There's an even better solution - make some kind of social housing more widely available. That way those who have to (or choose to) rent aren't stuck with rubbish BTL landlords, who generally seem to be over-indebted, with no clue about what they're doing, renting at high prices and on insecure contracts, while ramping up the price of property at the same time.

The British system is broken - over 1000 applications for one council house in Edinburgh recently. That's a lot of people desperately trying to opt out of the private rental market. Fix the system - take a look at Europe or Canada.

Jambo - you say property prices have never fallen in Scotland before. But they've also never risen by 500% in ten years before. A one bed flat ten years ago was around £25-30,000. They're now asking £150,000! Wages haven't risen by anything like that, and there is no reason for it other than the age old bubble, which always bursts at some point.
(Well that and uncontrolled lending, which seems to be stopping, and out-and-out fraud and lying).
16

Dave101,

Edinburgh 03/02/2008 10:42:38
How much to the students get paid to do this?

I would be willing for a grand.
17

Johnnie Wilkinson,

Edinburgh 03/02/2008 12:36:38
#9 HHJAMBO,edinburgh 02/02/2008 21:41:07

You are overlooking the fact that the equity on these properties each year will be greater than any loss from the mortgage being more than they would gain in rent money.

yes, but you won't profit from this equity unless you sell, so it is just paper money and does not make you rich. Is the Evening News perhaps in the pay of the ESPC to talk up the market? Watch Panorama on Monday. The property market is unsustainable.
18

Mr Fuzzy,

Edinburgh 03/02/2008 19:38:17
#20
Canada seems to be just as bad. People renting apartments pay twice as much in property tax as someone owning a house with the same amount of rooms.

It's the same in the Highlands. Property is just going up in price because of the downsizers from the South of England. Ask them why they are moving up to Scotland - that's the problem that has to be fixed.
19

Liz,

Edinburgh 04/02/2008 14:06:09
Ha!

How many hundreds of flats are planned for the Fountainbridge site then? Something smells a bit fishy. Could it be that somone has paid this newspaper/these students to create the illusion of false demand?!

Who in their right mind would by a one bedroom BTL flat for £150,000!?!?? What is the cost of renting such a flat now? What? say? ~£500/month at the most. These so called "investors" are never going to cover their costs from such an enterprise. The numbers just do not add up - you would probably get a better return from a savings account - as anyone with half a brain would be doing.

20

Friseal,

Scotland 04/02/2008 18:02:37

The law needs changed to limit the amount of houses sold outside of Scotland, even better would be to tax second homes, no point in villages/towns in the higlands sitting empty 11 months of the year as the "new locals" dont like most of the Scottish weather.
21

The baldman,

london 04/02/2008 19:08:27
Probably recruited by the estate agent in an attempt to drum up trade in a falling market.

 

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