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Published Date: 09 October 2008
SCIENTOLOGISTS have caused a stir in Princes Street by inviting passers-by into a huge yellow tent to have church members help solve their problems.
The tent was part of a missionary effort by the controversial church, whose members include Tom Cruise and John Travolta.

Though the group gained council permission to erect the tent yesterday, some critics complained it was obstructing the pavement and campaigners have threatened to organise protests if it is used again.

Visitors were given personality tests to help reveal their problems, which could then be addressed by church members.

Scientology public affairs director for Scotland, Gordon Reid, said: "The purpose of the cavalcade is to provide help to people. Volunteer ministers are trained in easy-to-learn techniques that enable them to help others with drug and alcohol problems, relationships, problems at work, difficulties with raising children, and many other areas."

However, the event was causing some raised eyebrows among passers-by yesterday afternoon.

One man, who asked not to be named, said the tent was taking up too much space on the busy pavement: "I don't mind them being here, I think it's just inconvenient where they are."

Adam MacLaughland, 36, a recent graduate from Leith, said: "My first thought was total disgust that they're allowed it, and the second was 'It's a free society and would I shake my head if it was the Church of Scotland? Probably not'. The third was that I'd like to go in there and blow a raspberry at them."

A council spokeswoman said the organisation did not require planning permission for the tent, which was treated in the same way as an event or parade.

The organisers had to notify the council of the start and finish times, provide the name of an official who would liaise with police if necessary and pledge to cause no obstruction or inconvenience to the public.

Lothian and Borders Police, said they had received no complaints.

City Centre councillor, Joanna Mowat, said: "It's a free country – people are entitled to have their beliefs. If they apply for the licence and conform to the conditions we would not make a moral judgement on who was doing it."

But a spokesman for campaign group Anonymous Edinburgh, which carries out regular protests at the Church of Scientology's South Bridge offices, said he was concerned that in offering to solve people's problems, the church was targeting vulnerable people.

He said: "I'm concerned that they're out so obviously in Edinburgh. We've protested before at the weekends but if they're coming out on weekdays I think you'll probably see some action from us in the form of protests in future. There are quite a lot of us in Edinburgh so if someone spots them there's a couple of numbers they can call to get people together quickly."

In May, Anonymous members contacted both Edinburgh City Council and Lothian and Borders Police and received reassurances that neither was concerned by campaigners' use of the word "cult" during peaceful protests in the Capital.

The church refutes allegations that it is a cult.


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  • Last Updated: 09 October 2008 1:12 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 09/10/2008 11:53:21
If I have the time to spare, I quite enjoy this kind of thing.

Last time they tried it with me they ended up wasting about 3 hours of their time and involving about 5 separate people.

Of course, they provided me with coffee and biscuits throughout, so I was quite happy.
2

Miss Scotland 1906,

Mars. 09/10/2008 11:56:35
Ah the old coffee and biscuits trick.
3

Jenny MacArthur,

09/10/2008 11:57:39
I have no time for these loonies. But their cult is no more insane than the gay-hate bigots who 'worship' their mega-pixie in the skies every Sunday. Of course the scientologists who believe that the Earth was populated by space aliens are a bunch of weirdo nutters. But why is that any more laughable than believing there's an invisible friend whose voice in your ear instructs you to send troops to mass-murder innocents in foreign countries? Let's deal with the SERIOUS problem and outlaw all churches now, as it's disgraceful that their hate-rallies where they campaign for kids to be bullied for their sexuality and women to be denied their human rights. Religion is a sick and hateful disgrace, that shouldn't be socially tolerated.
4

allknowing,

09/10/2008 11:58:01
#1 brilliant, i do the same with marketing phone calls.

Cult Cult Cult Cult Cult, oh wait, there a 4x4 white suv just outside my window, Run......
5

Dunaskin,

Edinburgh 09/10/2008 11:58:16
Of course it is a cult. Any organisation that tries to gull people into parting with criminal sums of money and brain-wash them into believing that we're descended from giant lizards from the planet Zarkon (or whatever) should be run out of town pronto. Good to see that the German and French governments take a very dim view of these charlatans and hucksters.
6

Ooh Aah Van de Ven...Ah said Ooh Aah Van de Ven,

The Cult were a no bad band in the eighties... 09/10/2008 11:59:32
Their tactic of creating a bottleneck on the southbridge pavement and shoving leaflets in your face should be looked at....as for a free personality test...anyone who feels the need to get a free personality test is borderline cuckoo...I always pay for mine :-D
7

Amenemhat,

09/10/2008 12:00:24
Naughty people they are

http://www.xenu.net/
8

exile-lad,

09/10/2008 12:01:03
Bring back the bagpipe players

get these eejits off the streets

what next the labour & torie parties taking you in for a wee chat to see what you think of our great country !
9

Miss Scotland 1906,

09/10/2008 12:01:27
'worship' their mega-pixie
That is funny.
:)
10

Dunaskin,

Edinburgh 09/10/2008 12:01:42
Gordon Reid forgot something...."Volunteer ministers are trained in easy-to-learn techniques that enable them to help others with drug and alcohol problems, rip them off, b*gg*r up their relationships, estrange them from their children, and many other areas."
11

Bigwull,

edinburgh 09/10/2008 12:03:10
BOOT THESE LOONIES, MIND YOU ARE THEY ANY DIFFERENT TO ANY OTHER RELIGION?
12

mystic,

Edinburgh 09/10/2008 12:06:14
Free tea and biscuits? Thats where all the beggers should go.

www.SeeingEdinburgh.co.uk
13

Amenemhat,

09/10/2008 12:06:59
#11 yes they charge by direct debit
14

Miss Scotland 1906,

Edinburgh. 09/10/2008 12:08:13
It is cold today, so just go in and get a coffee and go. Not been up town with all this tram work going on, so will not see them.
15

Skip McClendon,

09/10/2008 12:09:09
Will make a change from being annoyed by the Gouranga folk, I suppose.
16

Hmm?,

09/10/2008 12:10:35
"City Centre councillor, Joanna Mowat, said: "It's a free country – people are entitled to have their beliefs."

Yes, people are entitled to their beliefs. However, this doesn't mean that they can take up space on the public footway in an attempt to foister them off on other people. In this particular case we're talking about the notorious evil cult of Scientology.

Would the Councillor take this same attitude if, say, Neo-Nazis were wanting to put a big black and red tent out?
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09/10/2008 12:13:37
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09/10/2008 12:16:32
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Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 09/10/2008 12:16:46
Don't laugh, this could affect Edinburgh's World Heritage Status.

On second thoughts, this might be the UNESCO squad working undercover.

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Skip McClendon,

09/10/2008 12:19:15
But, is it a "World Class" big yellow street obstruction?
22

Journalistic licence,

09/10/2008 12:28:45
Why was the spokesman for the campaign group, Anonymous, not named?
23

Sister Morag,

Lasswade 09/10/2008 12:28:51
"One man's religion is another man's belly laugh." I'm with Heinlein on this one.

24

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 09/10/2008 12:31:05
"I have no time for these loonies"

Jenny,

You have no time for anyone.

How is the Royal Ed these days?
25

JFW,

New Town 09/10/2008 12:32:13
These loonies are in a different league to the mainstream religions in that they prey on the vunerable, not to help them but to empty their pockets. They basically bring you in and tell you you have a lot of personality problems but they can help you - all you have to do is sign up for a never-ending series of expensive courses that they run. Personally I think it's a disgrace they were given permission to set up like this as they masquerade as a religion but in reality only exist to take financial advantage of people who don't know any better.
26

Journalistic licence,

09/10/2008 12:32:48
I was asked by them today if I wanted a free personality test but when I told them I only had two personalities they weren't interested.
27

elayne,

09/10/2008 12:34:40
each to their own and all that but they are a pain in the bum,if i was interested in scientology id make my own enquiries not be harrased by someone in the street(ps im NOT interested in scientology lol)
28

Victorian-Ian . oap Edinburgh district .,

09/10/2008 12:42:17
#22 Foo

What an absolutely disgusting rant you posted.

It's a shame you can hide behind the anonymity of the Internet, because I would really like to meet up with you in a quiet place. Take you aside for a little word in your ear.....if you know what I mean.
29

Shave,

Ed 09/10/2008 12:46:38
Scummy vulture cult.
30

Old Reekies Big Team,

09/10/2008 12:48:45
ALL HAIL TOM CRUISE and BIG JOHN TRAVOLTA

Shame to the non-believers.
31

Duncan in Edinburgh,

09/10/2008 13:00:28
#31 Spectacular failure to understand a post. First class, best misplaced indignation in ages.

#22 Stories told to us as children to make us feel better should be discarded when we grow up. Santa is as real as eternal life.
32

Unimpressed one,

09/10/2008 13:02:12
Typical council. They allow CULT that is known for abductions, child abuse and brain washing to park on an Edinburgh street. Just watch the BBC panorama investigation into this CULT. Apparently they don't like being called a CULT. Bunch of daft CULTISTS. Go and haress them the CULTS.
33

scotsol,

Edinburgh 09/10/2008 13:05:47
#31 Threatening violence just because somebody says something you disagree with, eh? And why are you "hiding behind the anonymity of the internet"?
34

True Jambo,

Edinburgh 09/10/2008 13:06:26
get these knobs oota my way!
35

Victorian-Ian . oap Edinburgh district .,

09/10/2008 13:06:47
#34 Thickboy - I do understand the post. I don't appreciate the example used though.
36

Victorian-Ian . oap Edinburgh district .,

09/10/2008 13:07:42
#36 I haven't threatened any violence. Can you not read??
37

Dorian,

Edinburgh 09/10/2008 13:10:10
Scientology F* yeah, coming to save the mother F*n day now, Scientology F* yeah, a personality test and we cure all your problems.

Normal folk your time is through, cause Lrons cult is gonna see to you.

Scientology F* yeah, coming to save the mother F*n day now, Scientology F* Yeah, join our cult and we'll clean out your bank account.
38

Duncan in Edinburgh,

09/10/2008 13:10:29
#38 Carry on much longer and I'll forget to be nice. If you understood the post then you would not have said what you did in #31.

It seems abundantly clear who's the "thick boy" around here, chum. I bet you believe in sky gods and everlasting life in heaven too, don't you?
39

Sheep Worrier,

Being the higher power 09/10/2008 13:11:44
Hurrah for free coffee!

I wonder if it will be open on Saturday night? A chuckle for all in town I'm sure.
40

Victorian-Ian . oap Edinburgh district .,

09/10/2008 13:16:32
#41 Again, I will tell you I did not appreciate the example used. Quite distasteful!!

Understand now or will I tell you again?

I bet you believe in a bobby in your mouth and you'll be in everlasting heaven!!
41

elayne,

09/10/2008 13:19:17
we have the hari krishna people in town every fri,they dont bother anyone,just go round chanting and tinkling their wee bells etc,they dont try and convert folk or anything,they do get a bit stick from drunks and local halfwits(small town mentality)
42

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

09/10/2008 13:20:16
If helping people is cause for complaint then why haven't their detractors been picketing the Citizens Advice Bureau?
43

Langenburger,

09/10/2008 13:24:26
They turned me into a newt,

But I got better.
44

Duncan in Edinburgh,

09/10/2008 13:25:13
#43 I understood originally, and was right. What on earth is "distasteful" about a terminally ill child? And is your last, bizarre sentence a juvenile reference to oral sex?

I'll give you one thing, you're good value. Let's have an argument.
45

Logie Almond,

09/10/2008 13:25:46
It used to be standard practice for the council to allow religious meetings, rallies etc. in public parks subject to "no proselytising", ie no trying to convert users of the park. This condition ought to have been applied in this case.
46

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

09/10/2008 13:26:57
It's all right for you lot, but I got an "E" in my Personality Test.
47

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

09/10/2008 13:28:02
Mario informs us: "A sizeable majority of people actually believe you go and live in the sky with jesus when you die"

How gay! So who does the dishes?
48

Victorian-Ian . oap Edinburgh district .,

09/10/2008 13:28:25
#47 There is nothing "distasteful" about a terminally ill child. However, " Well, after I'd finished laughing in their face blah blah blah". Better examples could have been used.

Are you Foo's girlfriend? You like the bobby!!
49

Unimpressed one,

09/10/2008 13:29:15
#40, Maybe you should ask for a free personality test.
50

Victorian-Ian . oap Edinburgh district .,

09/10/2008 13:29:24
#50 You do the dishes...thought you were a scrubber??
51

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

09/10/2008 13:30:02
"Would the Councillor take this same attitude if, say, Neo-Nazis were wanting to put a big black and red tent out?"

Probably not, but if they did, I'd write them a letter of congratulation. That kind of protection of Free Speech is not something one sees very often in these benighted times.
52

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

09/10/2008 13:31:06
Mario: don't forget the "Clam engrams". They're very important.
53

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

09/10/2008 13:32:03
By the way: Is there a Clamhead in the house?

54

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

09/10/2008 13:34:28
#24: Mario. Wow, I've always wanted to meet someone who can reveal the mysteries of life after death. I have one question:

Is vertical drinking permitted in the bars?
55

Victorian-Ian . oap Edinburgh district .,

09/10/2008 13:34:39
#52 I agree and perhaps A Friend of Fernando Poo could do with one as well.
56

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

09/10/2008 13:36:30
JFW prophesises the truth:

"These loonies are in a different league to the mainstream religions in that they prey on the vunerable, not to help them but to empty their pockets. They basically bring you in and tell you you have a lot of personality problems but they can help you - all you have to do is sign up for a never-ending series of expensive courses that they run. Personally I think it's a disgrace they were given permission to set up like this as they masquerade as a religion but in reality only exist to take financial advantage of people who don't know any better."

So, kind of like a Buy-To-Let club then?
57

Victorian-Ian . oap Edinburgh district .,

09/10/2008 13:39:12
#47 Donkey Kong - where are you?
58

Duncan in Edinburgh,

09/10/2008 13:39:34
#51 "Better examples could have been used" is hardly what your original response said. You are making yourself look like a right charlie.

Have you got some sort of mental problem that forces you to end each post with an unintelligible playground taunt? What does this one mean?
59

Salvatori,

09/10/2008 13:40:34
Ha ha - to demonstrate the nature of the Scientologist go to the Ron L Hubbard / Scientology website and complete their "personality" questionnaire and complete it answering questions honestly. It will no doubt tell you are a pretty worthless person in need of emotional guidance in some way.

Now complete the test again but this time answer the questions the exact opposite to your first time. Apparently it well tell you you are a pretty worthless person in need of emotional guidance in some way.

Utter planks who prey on the most vulnerable and weak of mind in society.
60

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 09/10/2008 13:41:56
#31:

"#22 Foo

What an absolutely disgusting rant you posted."

No more disgusting than the bile posted by Jenny MacArthur.
61

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

09/10/2008 13:43:28
#35: That documentary where the scientologist uses psychological techniques to drive the BBC journalist to a long angry rant is a classic.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=okKYSSRQodQ
62

Duncan in Edinburgh,

09/10/2008 13:43:53
#63 Are you a god-botherer then PetrolHead? Are you personally offended by Jenny's post, or are you just having a go at your normal adversary?
63

Victorian-Ian . oap Edinburgh district .,

09/10/2008 13:46:31
#61 Andrew Duncan in Edinburgh

Foo was having a rant to make a point to Jenny McArthur, to which I referred as a disgusting rant....a better example could have been used.

Dunky Wunky likes getting dunked!!
64

hassan i sabbah,

edinburgh 09/10/2008 13:49:43
Wonderful.A religion based on the teaching of a second rate sci-fi author.Who ,don't forget had bum (Not allowed the bad word a*nl!) sex in a occult ritual to try and produce a "moonchild" Great use of our taxes dontcha think?
very dangerous CULT-Who will stop at nothing to smear and discredit critics of their organization.
http://www.whyaretheydead.net/
65

Victorian-Ian . oap Edinburgh district .,

09/10/2008 13:51:10
65 Duncan - are you still an IT Technician with BT Syntegra?
66

hassan i sabbah,

edinburgh 09/10/2008 13:52:39
Just hope that IF you are a $cientologist you are not epileptic
Another case of someone who displeased the Scientologists is shrouded in mystery and will probably always remain so. According to the London Observer,{29} James Stewart, a thirty-five-year-old encyclopedia salesman from South Africa was suspended from Scientology because the Scientologists allegedly said he had a "history of epilepsy and as such was refused permission to continue Scientology training."{30} Robert Kaufman, a former Scientologist (whose own story will be presented later) was at the Edinburgh Org at the same time as Stewart and reported some things that happened that were not printed in the newspaper.

He believes the Scientologists placed Stewart's[*] name on the bulletin board and put him in a "condition of doubt" for having seizures or fits in public and thereby "invalidating Scientology." Kaufman was horrified that someone would be punished for a physical ailment over which he had no control, especially since the "doubt penalty" meant this ill man would have had to work at menial chores for eighty hours straight without sleep.

A few days after the man was placed in "doubt," Kaufman was even more upset to see the man's funeral and cremation notice posted on the bulletin board. A short while later -- Kaufman believes it was the afternoon he saw the funeral notice -- Kaufman was more shaken when it was announced that the deceased's wife had just gone up another (very high) level in Scientology. Kaufman's suspicion that the eighty-hour penalty was connected to this man's death was heightened when he returned home and one of his Scientology instructors told Kaufman that he had heard that the man hadn't really died at all and that it had all been a mistake.
67

hassan i sabbah,

edinburgh 09/10/2008 13:55:18
PRIVATE EYE 80p
No 816
March 1993
England

Cult Corner
The Life and Death of Mr Motivala

MYSTERY still surrounds the death of a
father of three who feared he might be
attacked because of his fierce criticism of the
"church" of Scientology.

The body of 38-year=old Khushroo "Chris" Motivala was found hanging
from the loft of his Greenford home last September. An inquest last
week heard that, despite allegations he had been murdered and that his
death was out of character, there was no evidence that anybody else
was involved. Hammersmith coroner Mr Paul Burton recorded an open
verdict.

Mr Motivala's fight against the cult began after his live in
girlfriend Ruth Turk joined the church. He dabbled briefly, and
together they went on the Scientology cruise ship Freewinds, where he
took the cult's "communication course" and "purification rundown".

But Mr. Motivala found the courses useless and objected to his
girlfreinds deeper involvement. Eventually they split up. He suspected
she had spent more than 16,000 (Pounds Sterling) on Scientology
courses, some of which he thought had come from their courier business
which subsequently ran into difficulties and was sold. It was a claim
Miss Turk denied.

Mr Motivala began a battle for custody of their three children
fearing they too would become members of the cult. He embarked on a
campaign to expose the church but became increasingly worried about
his own safety. He had many arguments with the cult's staff at its
London "Clebrity Center" in Tottenham Court Road where Ruth Turk had
attended courses, and with senior staff at its East Grinstead
headquarters.

He began building up information on the cult to use in his fight to
retain custody of his daughters, and in the months before his death
threatened to sue the movement for the return of money which he and
Ruth Turk had spent on worthless courses.

Shortly before his death he met journalists in an effort to e
68

hassan i sabbah,

edinburgh 09/10/2008 13:55:55
Cont-
His campaigning became so intensive the cult issued him with a "non
enturbulation order" warning him to stop his anti-scientology
behavious and his negative attitude towards them. Failure to comply
would lead to him being declared a "supressive person" and an enemy of
the church and someone who, according to founder L. Ron Hubbard's own
edicts, could be "tricked, lied to or utterly destroyed".

The court heard that he never met representatives of the cult alone
and one occassion took a friend along to act as "minder". It was also
told he kept a large knife by the front door in case of attack by
members of the cult. His girlfriend said: "He made a point of
harassing the Scientologists. he was always afraid there would be an
attack on him."

Friends were astounded by his death and none could understand it. His
employer said he was in good spirits at the time he died because his
lawyers had told him he stood a good chance of getting custody of the
children. he would, he said, be astounded if Mr Motivala had taken his
own life as he would, effectively, have been conceding everything that
he had fought for.

After hearing of his fears for his safety, police initially treated
the case as suspicious. They carried out tests to see if he had been
poisoned or drugged before being hanged but were unable to find
anything to suggest that anyone else was involved in his death.
69

Victorian-Ian . oap Edinburgh district .,

09/10/2008 13:56:45
Anyway Dilatory Duncan I'm off. Better things to do with my time.

Enjoy the rest of your day, with one in each hand. Your favourite exercise!!
70

Victorian-Ian . oap Edinburgh district .,

09/10/2008 13:57:32
#71 Bugg3r off...you're boring!!
71

just-whatever-eh,

DR/F1/MO2 09/10/2008 14:02:09
Blow a raspberry at them? Very mature.
72

Victorian-Ian . oap Edinburgh district .,

09/10/2008 14:04:13
The Donkey's ran off. Away to find the boaby??
73

PaulB,

Edinburgh 09/10/2008 14:04:19
Vic Ian #72 73 - why not have a sensible debate on this site instead of cluttering it up with mad rants about other sexual matters - do you have a problem? If so I think you should stay off here and let people post proper comments. I happen to think Scientology is a very dangerous cult and am very surprised the council allow them to erect a huge tent on peinces Street to convert innocent passers-by.
74

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 09/10/2008 14:05:01

This video about Scientology will tell you more or less all you need to know, if you are unsure about the religion and what it can do for you.

Please keep an open mind, watch this video and make your own opinion:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=07m-IvvpK2E


75

Langenburger,

09/10/2008 14:13:04
It should be against the law to turn people into newts even if they are going to get better.
76

Victorian-Ian . oap Edinburgh district .,

09/10/2008 14:15:08
#76 PaulB

" erect a huge tent on peinces Street ". I think it is you who has sexual matters on the mind.
77

Salvatori,

09/10/2008 14:23:11
76 - don't worry he's just an inadequate plank who feels the need to clone someone elses user name. He's joke on the football threads and one here as well.
78

Victorian-Ian . oap Edinburgh district .,

09/10/2008 14:29:27
#81 Hello Saucy
79

Citizen V,

09/10/2008 14:35:08
Does that mean that the entire Edinburgh branch are to be found in one place?

hmmmm....
80

Boy Wonder,

09/10/2008 14:36:17
I have no problem with these people. I have been in their tent several times at different locations.

I like to mess with with their heads!!! :D
81

Salvatori,

09/10/2008 14:36:52
Point proven....
82

hassan i sabbah,

edinburgh 09/10/2008 14:43:10
Iain,I really hope that you are suffering from Alzheimer's,Because if you are we can forgive your drivel...if not,well it seems like yer just a daft auld scrota.


83

mrp,

Edinburgh 09/10/2008 14:44:43
Loved Skips comments (No.15) played GTA a lot then ;-)

Scientologists are total Nutters, nuff said.

All Hail to The Church Of Total Recall
84

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

09/10/2008 14:57:01
#78: Isn't this covered by the Newt Transmogrification Acts (Scotland) 1578 ?
85

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09/10/2008 15:01:50
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86

Victorian-Ian . oap Edinburgh district .,

09/10/2008 15:18:25
#92 Oh so scared...Nancy!!
87

Victorian-Ian . oap Edinburgh district .,

09/10/2008 15:18:54
#91 Yep...I bet you enjoy that.
88

Thomas the Tank,

Edinburgh 09/10/2008 15:31:29
The 'Spokeswumman for Das kooncil', as happens all too often, is wittering out of her nether-regions. The Legislation applicable to Public Processions is Part V of the Civic Government (Scotland) Act 1982, Sections 62 - 66. That relates, not unsurprisingly, to 'Processions In Public', repeated several times - there's absolutely nothing about Loonies, American or home grown, erecting tents on a footway.
The 'conditions' she cites are all from that Act and relate to 'public processions', but are completely irrelevant to loitering within tent to persuade the gullible to part with their money, friends and family so's they can all go and live happily on Planet Zog.

Does the Council not have a public obligation to ensure its 'Spokespersons' have at least the faintest idea what they're talking about?
89

Victorian-Ian . oap Edinburgh district .,

09/10/2008 15:33:49
#95 Leith Street - 6pm
90

Victorian-Ian . oap Edinburgh district .,

09/10/2008 15:40:38
#99 nippy little fickers....like you!!
91

Duncan in Edinburgh,

09/10/2008 15:41:30
#98 Will you be wearing a green carnation? Shouting incoherently up to another pointless idiot in one of the flats above the shops? Or how will you be recognisable?
92

Filthy Ned,

09/10/2008 15:44:08
because I think the ideas of scientologists are pretty mental, I can't sympathise with people who are stupid enough to join their church and end up regretting it

in contrast I've got a real problem with the protesters who are often on the bridges on a Saturday. They are blatantly a bunch of nerds and weirdos who are only protesting because it is a tenuous excuse to wear V For Vendetta masks, scarfs over their faces, etc. I imagine that they've achieved approximately nothing by asking people to "honk if hate scientology" whereas they could be doing some good instead. I can't imagine them stand out there so often if they had to dress normally and collect money for Help The Homeless, etc
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Victorian-Ian . oap Edinburgh district .,

09/10/2008 15:44:15
#102 Donut Duncan

You wouldn't miss my red hair. How's it going at BT Syntegra?

#100 Bet get Duncan there then, with his mouth open.
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Langenburger,

09/10/2008 15:46:17
#89
It is and sorry for taking so long to reply
My fingers are still webbed!
By the way since they turned me into a newt my favourite top ten on my ipod is


1 Eagles - Newt Kid in Town

2 Arlo Guthrie - Ridin on the City of Newt Orleans

3 Tom Jones Whats Newt Pussycat

4 Newt order - World in Motion

5 INXS Newt Sensation

6 The Newt Seekers I'd Like to teach the World to Sing

7 The Wurzels I've got a brand Newt Combine Harvester

8 Melanie Safka Brand Newt Key

9 The Delphonics You make me feel brand Newt

10 Newt York Newt York
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Victorian-Ian . oap Edinburgh district .,

09/10/2008 15:50:04
#105 - What can I say? You're a chimp.
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Victorian-Ian . oap Edinburgh district .,

09/10/2008 15:55:49
#22 With the examples you use re #22, you must be on something stronger than buckie...ye silly wee girl.
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blackley,

Edinburgh 09/10/2008 16:06:03
I wrote to the News earlier this year expressing surprise that a team of Scientologists were allowed to set up interview facilities in Princes St on a Saturday. I also contacted my councillor who obtained a promise from the Community Safety dept saying they would monitor the situation. Looks like they decided it was ok! since that time I have taken the trouble to read Dianetics by Hubbard and can state that Scientology is a load of nonsense - but no sillier than much of our established religions. What I object to is the way they tell young and vulnerable people that they need help.
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

09/10/2008 16:10:32
#104 I'm afraid I don't work at BT Syntegra, nor have I ever done so, you strange, childish, knob-obsessed person.
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Victorian-Ian . oap Edinburgh district .,

09/10/2008 16:16:10
#113 Yes you can....however, your example is a little insensitive.

"It's a free country, I can use any example I want." Grow up.
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Victorian-Ian . oap Edinburgh district .,

09/10/2008 16:17:51
#111 I'm actually a very pleasant person. However, your post struck a raw nerve.
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Victorian-Ian . oap Edinburgh district .,

09/10/2008 16:21:28
#119 Karma

Suggestions such as yours can come back on you.
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tumshie heid,

09/10/2008 16:26:06
Victorian Ian. You have the wrong end of the stick.
Please stop trying to backpeddle. Amazing piece of misplaced indignation as others have said.
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Joe Smith.,

In the land of chalk drawings 09/10/2008 16:29:00

Sorry to have missed the Scientolgy Cavalcade.

Next week: Glen Michael's Cavalcade -

Palladdin becomes an Operating Thetan and plays ketboards on the next Beck Hansen tour.

"Soy un scientoligisssst
I'm a loser baby,so why don't you kill me"
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Victorian-Ian . oap Edinburgh district .,

09/10/2008 16:48:00
#123 I'm not bad back peddling. Read the posts again tw@t.

And away and join Dunky for bobby action.
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Joe Smith.,

Moscow 09/10/2008 16:55:15

#125

Your favourite activity is watching Hale & Pace on a VHS tape while eating cornflakes
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Victorian-Ian . oap Edinburgh district .,

09/10/2008 17:00:56
#126 Lol - that sounds fantastic!! A favourite for all Hibs fans.
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Victorian-Ian . oap Edinburgh district .,

09/10/2008 17:07:52
#128 Karma

Hope you don't regret these comments.
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Kitti Kat,

09/10/2008 17:08:06
agree with numbers 1, 8 , 11, etc. Thank your lucky stars that those loonies from over here in Hollywood, Cruise and Travolta didn't show up.
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rabmataz,

09/10/2008 17:13:23
As a level 9 Thetan, I find all these comments mighty disrespectful.
You won't be laughing when the star ships arrive to carry the faithfull off to paradise (Parkhead) and leave the rest of you behind to rot in your slums (Tynecastle).
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Dave Scott,

Broughty Ferry, Angus 09/10/2008 17:24:30
Bigwull, edinburgh 09/10/2008 12:03:10
BOOT THESE LOONIES, MIND YOU ARE THEY ANY DIFFERENT TO ANY OTHER RELIGION?

Short answer: "Yes"

This is the price we pay for freedom of speech - we should be celebrating that since, from what I can gather, Scientology's so-called 'Church' isn't into free speech.
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Tam,

Edinburgh 09/10/2008 17:38:59
No, the church of Scientology isn't known for its advocacy of free speach. It's a very good mechanism for getting money from vulnerable people, but, if you like a good read, the fictional work of L Ron Hubbard is an amusing way to pass the time of day.
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A Friend of Fernando Poo,

09/10/2008 18:26:25
The book "Bare-Faced Messiah" is a very hilarious look at Hubbard and the nonsense that he wrought. One excellent chapter has him on a flotilla of old barges (they'd been kicked out of sundry countries) posing as "Admiral Hubbard". At this point he has a special "Sea Org" personal squad of schoolgirls in sailor uniforms.

http://www.amazon.com/Bare-faced-Messiah-Russell-Miller/dp/0718127641

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Joe Smith.,

Moscow 09/10/2008 18:39:26

The funniest thing I ever heard was when Beck Hansen said that at 9/11, the scientologists were on the scene 'helping people' because along with the emergency services, they were 'the only people who could do something'.

Yes Beck that's true enough, but only if you believe in guff about Zenu and Thetans.



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Jingsitsme,

EDINBURGH 09/10/2008 20:30:14
Horrible people praying on young people trying to inflence their minds.

They appear not to be inviting older people into the tent.

Why? We would have the sense to tell em to get lost.

wonder who the mug(s) were who donated money to them and it has been spent on the big tent.
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The Geniune Mario Antionette,

09/10/2008 20:36:26
#6 - & it sounds like you've been getting short changed
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Ian down under,

Musselburgh 09/10/2008 20:37:27
put the tramway through the tent
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The Geniune Mario Antionette,

09/10/2008 20:38:33
Timeshare try the same free tea/coffee biscuits ploy to get you hooked.
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The Geniune Mario Antionette,

09/10/2008 20:40:07
#16 - good can exist without evil. all you have to do is come & join us.
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The Geniune Mario Antionette,

09/10/2008 20:40:48
#141 - But the devil in me won't let that happen
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The Geniune Mario Antionette,

09/10/2008 20:42:37
#24 - you mean you've been brain dead for millions of years, you old dinosaur you
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The Geniune Mario Antionette,

09/10/2008 20:43:40
#27 - still much the same
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The Geniune Mario Antionette,

09/10/2008 20:45:06
#30 - No, but you are a pain in the bum !
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The Geniune Mario Antionette,

09/10/2008 20:48:49
#45 - Yeah - & the Citizens Advice Bureau should start to give out free coffee & biscuits as well. Cheap skates.
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The Geniune Mario Antionette,

09/10/2008 20:53:21
#47 - #43 was removed & I'm trying to follow - are you saying the Scientoligists are giving out oral sex to juveniles or are the juveniles giving out oral sex ?
Am I missing something ?
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The Geniune Mario Antionette,

09/10/2008 20:54:21
#50 - Sellotape does
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The Geniune Mario Antionette,

09/10/2008 20:56:12
there are no bars in heaven. It is open space
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The Geniune Mario Antionette,

09/10/2008 20:58:39
#80 - by its definition, there is anything you want in heaven.
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The Geniune Mario Antionette,

09/10/2008 21:01:42
#84 - Ah, so your a phrenologists then, I bet you are a right headcase ?
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The Geniune Mario Antionette,

09/10/2008 21:02:54
#90 - No
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The Geniune Mario Antionette,

09/10/2008 21:06:07
#102 - I'll take a mirror with me. I should recognise myself from that
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The Geniune Mario Antionette,

09/10/2008 21:07:15
109 - and by the back door it seems
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The Geniune Mario Antionette,

09/10/2008 21:08:34
# 111 - speak for yourself
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The Geniune Mario Antionette,

09/10/2008 21:10:16
121 - was it on the bum ?
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The Geniune Mario Antionette,

09/10/2008 21:11:11
122 - tomato soup does that on me
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The Geniune Mario Antionette,

09/10/2008 21:13:57
#123 - yeah, I think he was backpeddling & the wrong end of a stick struck a raw nerve, or something
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The Geniune Mario Antionette,

09/10/2008 21:14:56
#126 - & with your troosers doon at yer ankles
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The Geniune Mario Antionette,

09/10/2008 21:15:26
#127 - & me
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Joe Smith.,

Moscow 09/10/2008 21:18:01

Krishna Fest -

Sunday 12th October
11-23 York Lane
EH1 3LY

-

Our materialistic society with its unenlightened leadership, has led us into an unprecedented financial crises.

There are those who think life as solar disease or ulceration...

'When the world ends, there'll be no more air. That's why it's important to pollut the air now. Before it's too late.'



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Mallory,

Edinburgh 09/10/2008 21:27:03
They're pumping out a load of spam as well just now. Maybe LRon has made another materialisation.
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Victorian-Ian . oap Edinburgh district .,

09/10/2008 21:35:25
#159 Nah, I just lift my skirt up.

Most amused reading your last few posts, but not because you're funny. From now you'll be referred to as sad act.

Posting to yourself - you're obviously very lonely.
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The Geniune Mario Antionette,

09/10/2008 21:36:31
#162 - Ah spam, spam & more spam
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The real dracula,

09/10/2008 21:38:32
I would suggest we go in agroup and challenge their beliefs. Better still why doesnt and undercover newsreporter do it.
They dont like being challenged
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santa cova,

London. Capital of civilisation. 09/10/2008 21:45:09
Follow the teachings of John Knox (he marriad a 13 year old girl) Discriminate against the Roman Catholic population. (the biggest church going population in Scotland)Fly our flag(the union flag--flag of England)above Edinburgh castle. Pay homage to our English Queen,God bless her. Speak our English language( no Scottish gaelic please)If you do all of these things,then and only then can you call yourself a true Scot(true Scot= Someone ruled by us here in Glorious England)Who needs the scientologists,when you have us to rule over you? What a backward lot you really are.

Rule Britannia. GSOQ.
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The Geniune Mario Antionette,

09/10/2008 21:50:22
#165 - thats right. undercover newsreporters don't like being challenged.
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The Geniune Mario Antionette,

09/10/2008 21:51:43
# 163 - lonely ? no, I'm not
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The Geniune Mario Antionette,

09/10/2008 21:52:06
#168 - yes, you are
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Victorian-Ian . oap Edinburgh district .,

09/10/2008 22:19:48
#169 Sad Act

Resident poster. You'll feel quite important about yourself - posting since lunch-time today and thinking everyone loves your comments.

You're pathetic. Keep on fooling yourself about how important you are, eh Sad Act!!

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Victorian-Ian . oap Edinburgh district .,

09/10/2008 23:05:09
#171 A leith dodger or a soap dodger?? Away and wash yer smelly helmet!!
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Jimmy B'Umlove,

East End (Boys) 09/10/2008 23:11:42
#170 Victorian-Ian, calm doon auld man, hae anither hob nob wi yer cocoa. Jeezo! Ah take it ye lost a pile o' cash doon the Gala Bingo again?

Ye micht a been a hunk in yer day pal, but this is twa thoosan an eight!
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COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 10/10/2008 01:12:03
next.week.its.a.mosque.serving.breakfast
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The Geniune Mario Antionette,

10/10/2008 01:25:29
#170 - yeah, calm doon man & pull yer skirt doon
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A Friend of Fernando Poo,

10/10/2008 02:24:10
166 Santa Cova preaches:

"Follow the teachings of John Knox (he marriad a 13 year old girl)"

Aren't you confusing him with Mohammed?

There does seem to be some correlation between being a religious prophet and an interest in underage girls. I can't see how that works myself. You ask "What's your opinion of Genesis" and they'll answer "What, the ancient rock band?".
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Ian down under,

Musselburgh 10/10/2008 02:39:43
Think how 'scientology' started. A sci-fi writer decided to see if he could fool people into a new religion. I think he did it for a laugh to start with and then he found he could make $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ with it and the rest as they say is history.
I plan to start a new religion now it will be based on the ability of an electric transport system to revitalise and animate an entire community.
Welcome to the first on-line meeting of The International Church of Tramology. Send your cheques to me for ongoing absolution and guarantees of personal wealth or give your details to my bank in Nigeria and the viagra [alternative] will be in the post soon. Pass this onto your friends and you too can become very rich [sorry I mean serene and contented] and you can also meet all sorts of uninteresting and not very good but overpaid Hollywood stars who will be lining up to join,
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KevinOwen,

New Zealand 10/10/2008 05:34:49
Aims OF Scientology

A civilization without insanity, without criminals and without war, where the able can prosper and honest beings can have rights, and where man is free to rise to greater heights, are the aims of Scientology.


First announced to an enturbulated world in 1950, these aims are well within the grasp of our technology.

Nonpolitical in nature, Scientology welcomes any individual of any creed, race or nation.

We seek no revolution. We seek only evolution to higher states of being for the individual and for society.

We are achieving our aims.
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tumshie heid,

10/10/2008 07:54:39
I an you haven't quite grasped the ironic stance of the post that you are so aggrieved with have you?
Perhaps if they had kept you on at school for another year or two instead of sending you out sweeping lums you would understand.
Stop digging as we all know you are a clown of the highest order. Perfect material for a wee visit inside the yellow spaceship thats parked on Princes Street!
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tumshie heid,

10/10/2008 07:56:09
#178 Kevin you brainwashed fool, they accept anybody as long as their bank balance is healthy.
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Pocket Dictionary,

10/10/2008 09:01:39
#28 - no different from multi level selling schemes (can't call it pyramid selling anymore!). Emptying your pockets to fill those of your higher level sponsors.

Working on you to hook your family and friends into it. One cult watch organisation compared one of these companies to a cult and it was very remarkable - the similarities.

Attending weekend conferences and working people up into a frenzy to recruit and sell more. The Sunday Mail did a story years ago about a guy who was raking in £50,000 a year as a multi level marketer. Guess what? He was a church minister! Salesman ship and religion go hand-in-hand. Elmer Gantry is still with us!
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mobocaster,

Aberdeen 10/10/2008 09:53:54
#178

So, if you lot want a world free of criminals, when is your church going to admit & deal with some of its own dubious activities?

Including the theft of the entire source code for a certain website - A very stupid crime that.
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Lobster,

Edinburgh 10/10/2008 11:53:39
Absolutely cuckoo!!

Unless they are watching, in which case - I have the upmost respect for your mob...

(They scare me.)
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Niko Bellic,

10/10/2008 11:53:52

#178

You've been brainwashed.

L Ron Hubbard was a smelly tramp with witha lisp
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Niko Bellic,

Sing Sing 12/10/2008 03:49:22
Aims OF Scientology

A civilization of insanity, criminals and war, where the brainwashed followers of the ginger lipsy tramp can prosper through dishonesty, and subhumans can have rights, and where man is free to fall to lower depths, are the aims of Scientology.


First announced to an unbelieving world in 1950, these aims are well within the grasp of our technology, which consists of potoato guns, phuxxor sci-fi films, and ridiculous personality tests.

Nonpolitical in nature (we're too f_cking thick for politics), Scientology welcomes any individual of any creed, race or nation, as long as they're a bam.

We seek no revolution, cos if there was one, our credulous heads would be first on the block. We seek only stupidity and waste.

We are achieving our aims.
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wakeupscotland,

Aberdeen 25/10/2008 10:04:35
WOW! I've finally been rescued by the people in the yellow tent! They held me for over 2 weeks! They implanted things in my brain and toasted my fingers!

I don't like how they are even allowed to call themselves representatives of a 'church' - they are not recognised as a religion in Scotland or the rest of the UK. So this begs the further question how they can call themselves an organisation that teaches 'relgious education' - I must go in and ask for a Bible or a copy of the Qu'ran and see what they say. Alternatively they could just go away and realise there arn't as many easy pickings in this country as there are in the USA.

Viva Francais! at least one state leader has BANNED scientology in its entirity from their country. Can you imagine the 'Brown empire' doing anything so positive? I don't think so.

The council leader stated 'It's a free country – people are entitled to have their beliefs. If they apply for the licence and conform to the conditions we would not make a moral judgement on who was doing it'.
So does this mean Nazi's can set up tents in Edinburgh? (or in Aberdeen for that matter - Scientologists were here 4 years ago) Or maybe the Legalise Cannabis Alliance should do a demo right next to the crazy fools.

 

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