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Published Date: 30 April 2009
MOTORISTS in the Capital are facing more roadworks misery after it emerged almost 400 miles of gas pipes are to be replaced – a job that will take 23 years to complete.
Utility firm Scotia Gas Networks (SGN) said it was replacing the ageing gas mains – which stretch the same distance as Edinburgh to London – as part of a UK-wide safety drive.

Around half of Edinburgh's 850-mile network is being dug up after a ruling from the Health and Safety Executive that old iron mains had to be replaced with new plastic pipes.

However, there will be no further work on the city's tram route as the pipes there are already being replaced as part of the ongoing utility diversion measures.

David Legge, of the Association of British Drivers, said motorists were beginning to feel like it was "one thing after another".

He said: "If these works need done then there is really nothing you can do. But the council needs to try and minimise the disruption caused. It would make sense to wait until the tram project is finished before carrying them out."

Council bosses are due to meet with senior officials from leading utility firms in the coming months to discuss ways of dealing with what is described as the current "unique situation" of roadworks in Edinburgh.

The council said the SGN work was an example of the pressure facing utility firms. Around 70 per cent of gas mains across the country must be replaced under the Health and Safety Executive's guidance, with Edinburgh thought to have around 60 per cent more of the old-style mains than the national average.

The decision to replace the country's ageing gas mains followed the death of a family in an explosion in Larkhall, South Lanarkshire, ten years ago. Andrew and Janette Findlay and their children Stacey, 13, and Daryl, 11, died in the explosion in 1999.

A spokesman for Scotia Gas Networks said: "This represents a multi-million pound investment from Scotia Gas Networks. It is essential work and will provide a safe and secure network for many years to come."

City environment leader, Cllr Robert Aldridge, said: "We take our responsibility to keep Edinburgh moving very seriously and will continue to work with the utility companies to ensure roadworks are managed effectively."

Meanwhile, it has emerged that utility firms paid the council for a total of 252 fixed penalty notices between October and February. The £120 fines were brought in last year to bring contractors to book for not carrying out work correctly.

• www.scotiagasnetworks.co.uk

• www.edinburgh.gov.uk

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  • Last Updated: 30 April 2009 10:32 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

simonp,

eh11 30/04/2009 11:57:15
So will this be paid from reduced dividends or higher prices??? I wonder...
2

alfonsa pedrosa,

embra 30/04/2009 12:00:57
23 years,does this include all their tea breaks and quick snoozes.
3

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30/04/2009 12:08:46
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4

Daudi Baldrs,

Corpus Christi (reading medecine) 30/04/2009 12:12:42
I seen that University Challenge programme last night.

Bamber Gaspipe
5

I love to eat Sellotape,

30/04/2009 12:30:48
I've had gas for 23 years, if it's any consolation. It's cost me three marriages.
6

Foo,

30/04/2009 12:32:50
Surely the gas will have run out in 23 years time? I suppose we could could use the tubes to replace postmen in the future.
7

Hector the Red,

30/04/2009 12:37:53
"Meanwhile, it has emerged that utility firms paid the council for a total of 252 fixed penalty notices between October and February. The £120 fines were brought in last year to bring contractors to book for not carrying out work correctly."

These fines are innefective, £120 is nothing to these companies. If they are found to be skimping on their reinstatements they should be forced to do it again......and keep on doing it until they get it right. After all its the Utility Companies that are ruining the roads....not the vehicles on them!
8

Caley80,

30/04/2009 12:38:25
'after a ruling from the Health and Safety Executive' - another parasitic quango that costs us tax payers lots and achieves nothing.
9

Tuco,

30/04/2009 12:38:53
Edinburgh Council will be delighted.
10

Sarcasm,

30/04/2009 12:43:32
The really bad news is the pipes only have a life expectancy of 20 years.
11

I love to eat Sellotape,

30/04/2009 12:48:48
7. What sort of word is "innefective"?

Hector the Red-Faced, more like!
12

Foo,

30/04/2009 12:49:54
3

I'll tell you who's stupid. You. Stupid.
13

It's Leith for me!,

30/04/2009 12:59:59
why not work on getting it all done sooner; and bring the elctricty, water and comms companies in as well - lets officially shut Edinburgh for ten years - we can all move to spain, greece, portugal etc (at the government's expense) and at least have some nice weather for a change
14

It's Leith for me!,

30/04/2009 13:02:29
#3 inded - as I said when this was first muted (and we were allowed to comment on it); if it's such a good and economically sound idea, let the private sector risk it's money on it, not tax payers
15

krusty the klown,

30/04/2009 13:03:49
#3 - survey was done outside McDonald's and KFC drive-ins
16

Foo,

30/04/2009 13:05:50
2

14

Theres thousands of cyclists in Edinburgh. Just because you don't, don't ruin it for the rest of us!

ps, It's Leith for me - Do you mean 'mooted' by any chance?
17

Foo,

30/04/2009 13:06:28
16 was for 3 and 14
18

Proximo,

30/04/2009 13:06:29
#3 I bet you felt better once you got your wee comment in, even though it's about another story altogether! That is a bit sad if you don't mind me saying so? When you get like that it's probably best to try to wean yourself off the PC, a little bit at a time...
19

I love to eat Sellotape,

30/04/2009 13:06:47
7. Please don't take my comment personally. I'm sure you're a lovely person, Hector the Red, with nice children, a loving wife, a steady job and 50 kilos of chang in the garage.
20

Tuco,

30/04/2009 13:09:50
#14 It's a brilliant idea. Good for health and beats sitting in traffic during rush hour.
21

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

30/04/2009 13:09:56
Pipes are just so old hat. I get my gas over the interweb.
22

NittonLover,

Newtongrange 30/04/2009 13:11:44
#8 - "'after a ruling from the Health and Safety Executive' - another parasitic quango that costs us tax payers lots and achieves nothing"

Of all the quangos out there surely this is one that is needed. Do you want to go back to the days when employees killed staff due to negligence?



23

I love to eat Sellotape,

30/04/2009 13:29:05
Might be good for a laugh.
24

It's Leith for me!,

30/04/2009 13:46:47
#17 - Foo; the only transport I own is a bike wehich I use to get just about everywhere - we should actually ban all motorised vehicle as far as I'm concerned; the point is about whether the 'cash strapped and service slashing council' should be spending tax payers money to set up a cyle hire 'company' - have you ever seen anything the council does that's works, is on budget, doesn't end up slashing services elsewhere? The idea's fine, just as long as the council/our taxes, have nothing to do with it
25

Foo,

30/04/2009 13:58:45
#24

No I haven't to be honest.
26

Foo,

30/04/2009 14:08:41
25

Not that many if a deposit is at stake.

There are ar53holes in other countries you know.
27

Incandescent,

30/04/2009 14:09:11
#24 "we should actually ban all motorised vehicle as far as I'm concerned"

...and everything else you say should therefore be ignored. It's just a pity I happen to agree with what you're saying on this occasion.
28

Foo,

30/04/2009 14:16:03
28

yes
29

For Scotlands Future,

Vote for the SNP 30/04/2009 14:42:01
23-years??

So their fast-tracking it.
30

Mr Fegs,

Edinburgh 30/04/2009 15:25:35
"Around 70 per cent of gas mains across the country must be replaced under the Health and Safety Executive's guidance, with Edinburgh thought to have around 60 per cent more of the old-style mains than the national average."

So a rough calculation suggests that 112% of Edinburgh's gas pipes are of the old style.

Interesting. Perhaps one day newspapers could employ journalists with at least a modicum of numeracy. I won't be holding my breath though ...
31

For Scotlands Future,

Vote for the SNP 30/04/2009 15:29:02
When I made my last comment I wasn't joking.

400 miles in 23 years = about 20 miles/year = about 700 yards/week

Does anyone see them meeting this target on any given week, let alone keep it up for 23-years.

The last time I saw so optimistic figures as this was the expected passenger rates for the trams.
32

I love to eat Sellotape,

30/04/2009 16:43:36
You might help yourself, mate, if you knew the difference between "their" and "they're".
33

Barksmo,

Glenrothes 30/04/2009 18:57:35
Excellent news from SGN, this means employment for gas engineers for years to come. BTW there must be other areas that need their gas pipes replaced.
34

Ian down under,

Musselburgh 30/04/2009 21:48:01
So after all the whingeing from the tram phobics we now find that Princes St,Shandwick Place and Leith Walk would have been dug up anyway for the gas board. Thankyou tramways for ensuring that at least some of it has already been done. I trust the gas board will reimburse the tramway for that part of their expense.
35

is it me?,

Edinburgh 30/04/2009 22:12:09
#35
You know you're just being silly.

The services people might have got around to it as part of a programme, but not all at once. As it is, the city centre is bound up by tramwork constipation.

And it will take many years to recover.

If you were being ironic, I apologise.
36

Douglas,

Bathgate 30/04/2009 23:28:20
Why doesn't everybody do what I do? Get your gas from an electricity supplier so there's no need for pipes at all.
Mind you I do have some very fat wires in the house.
37

Mr Fuzzy,

Edinburgh 30/04/2009 23:47:40
Is there no way that the plastic pipes could just be threaded through the old iron pipes rather than digging up the roads?
38

E. Rid L,

Living room 01/05/2009 09:30:38
1. Currently gas mains being replaced in Craigliegh Hill, gas was cut off for a whole day and night due to badly corroded pipes, seems it had been like that for years and was leaking, so yes they do need replacing. They where suppose to turn gas on again Thurs after 4pm, we made arrangment for some to be at the house at 4 to allow accces, when we got home no gas workers where about after a few frantic calls gas was finally on at 7.30 Contracter are s*** just like the companies all they want is monet for nothing.
2. while taking in the delights of Princes Street yesterday I was nearly knocked for 6 by one of these green poeple cycling along Prices Street, not even a sorry, cyclists are just as bad as drivers.
39

Bob1,

middle classton 01/05/2009 10:00:11
No3. edinburgh is full of fat ignorant schemies that probably can't even ride a bike and need a battery powered car to drive them round asda when they're buying there weekly supply of fatty sugar encrusted carcinogens.
Fat and ignorant and can only open their mouths to shout at jordan, shakira and wee brandon or stuff thier faces full of pie rolls!!!!
Unfortunatly this excellent bike scheme will probably be trashed by befefit scrounging schemie morons!!
40

Bob1,

01/05/2009 10:02:32
No 39 watch where you're going you f@^^y> Pedestriaans are often worse than @rseholes!!
41

E. Rid L,

dinning room 01/05/2009 10:39:57
41 if I wasn't watching where I was going I would have been knocked down!!!

I thought Princes Street pavement was a footpath not a cycle way OH silly old me eh?

Are you one of these cyclist who don't give a s*** ? thought so!!!!

I know who the A hole is.
42

Bob1,

01/05/2009 11:34:36
well if you didn't get knocked down wtf are you moaning about? something that almost happened but didn't??Typical evening news reading cycle hater. The only problem i ever have cycling is axi drivers and pedestrians> Pehaps people should have to take a walking test before they're alowed out! Or pay pavement tax you silly old poo poo head!!
43

E. Rid L,

at work 01/05/2009 13:39:59
typical answer from and ignorant cyclist it's all about me me me me me.
BTW I enjoy cycling but atleat I stay on the road not the pavement to which you missed the point Bob1 or do you want all people to hate cyclist who don't obay the highway code to which you would be first to complain about drivers. pehaps you should have a brain transplant LOL
44

Bob1,

01/05/2009 14:22:27
I'm so sorry. You're right. Sometimes i get confused and the anger builds up inside me until POW!! i let it all out on some poor unsuspecting virtual person on a forum.I'm actually a very law abiding and upstanding member of my local community. I just hate the anti cycling backlash that goes on here.It's not just cyclists versus pedestrians i feel that society as a whole has gone wrong somewhere. People don't converse any more,neighbours bicker and the general public throw there waste at there feet expecting someone else to pick it up for them.Childrens play areas are vandelised by the very children that they are provided for.........the world has gone very very wrong......

 

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