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Published Date: 07 November 2008
COMMUNITY leaders today hit out at the number of homeless people being housed in the Capital – by other local authorities.
They are angry that councils are moving people into areas in north Edinburgh already "saturated" by temporary accommodation for the homeless.

An estimated 20 per cent of people in homeless bed and breakfasts are from Midlothian and the majority are housed in a few streets in the north of the city. East Lothian Council also places people in Edinburgh, but less frequently.

Calls for a review of the arrangement come as a landlord in Pilrig attempts to open another bed and breakfast for homeless people, just doors away from one regularly used by Midlothian Council and two used by the city council.

Harald Tobermann, of Pilrig Residents Association, said: "Three or four of these buildings just hundreds of metres from each other? I do not see why it has to be like this. Homeless people do need help, but finding accommodation for them needs to be more organised."

Noise disturbances and police call-outs have been highlighted as problems experienced by residents who live near Pilrig Street – where the bed and breakfasts are.

Many have objected to a new application for a house in multiple occupancy (HMO) licence for Acorn Lodge, at 26 Pilrig Street.

Similar problems have been reported in Leith Links.

Council figures show that during one week in March 2008, 71 homeless adults and five children from Midlothian were placed in bed and breakfasts in the Capital. And officials from Midlothian Council have confirmed that Pilrig is a key area they send them to.

Leith Walk councillor Louise Lang, whose ward covers Pilrig, has had many complaints from residents in the area. However, she said: "If somebody is homeless, the most important thing is to find them a home and it should not matter if it's in their authority or ours."

A city council spokesman confirmed there was no official agreement with Midlothian Council over the placing of homeless people. However, there is a protocol whereby Midlothian advises the city of the names and locations of those they have placed with private landlords.




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  • Last Updated: 07 November 2008 10:47 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Homelessness
 
1

john3,

07/11/2008 11:58:19
The other scandal is scots returning from a life abroad
claiming to be homeless get priority housing and no checks made into whether they have property overseas.
2

elayne,

07/11/2008 12:04:33
#1 very FEW checks are made anyway,i knew of someone (from here in fife)who claimed she was being abused by her toyboy,went to edinburgh,got a priority house and lo n behold,the toyboy lives with her,she also had an ASBO against her in fife(noisy,nuisance neighbour,leaving a mess,drink/drug taking in her house,smashed windows,list is endless)
3

cassandra of ithica,

07/11/2008 12:12:24
The reason Scotland generates so many homeless is obvious. In a world where you have to be homeless or just out of jail to qualify for social housing, most people prefer a period of bed and breakfast, or time in a hostel, to a criminal record
4

elayne,

07/11/2008 12:16:10
more stringent checks should be made to applicants backgrounds before housing is allocated,as a lot seem to be economical with the truth when filling out ed index forms etc
5

Dileas,

07/11/2008 12:37:06
Just what we need living in Edinburgh - fewer bankers and more unemployed / homeless / druggies.

At least they will be more likely to use public transport than bankers would, so they are probably residents preferred by this Stalinist City Council!
6

Ecto,

07/11/2008 12:42:47
Try living in the London Borough of Ealing, they are renting a 5 bedroom house for an Afgan family of asylum seekers at the princely sum of £12,500 per month. The son of the woman concerned says he likes living in the house as it has a drive way for him to park his car. Welcome to Britain and help yourself!!
7

p.n.f.o.bologna,

Embra 07/11/2008 12:44:40
These kinds of sctories really rile me. Here I am a vulnerable single young woman of 27, born and bred in Edinburgh, have worked every day since I was 16, paying taxes etc etc it takes me 3 years of bidding for council houses and 1 year homeless bunking with dear old gran to finally be offered a flat on the top floor of a multi storey surrounded by some very 'colourful' characters!! According to the local authority because I can sustain a tenancy, hold down a job, have no dependants and have no substance abuse issue that I don't have a priority! It's disgusting!
8

It's me!,

07/11/2008 12:59:06
#9. Spot on! Rotten apples are rewarded and spread around to cause rot in otherwise good neighbourhoods. It's now time to reward those who do not commit crime, do not have asbo's and live decent lives.
9

elayne,

07/11/2008 12:59:13
#9 it is all wrong!my grown up daughter is similar,she turned down a flat in a really bad area of town and was told she would now have to wait for years because she is not "priority",the council needs to give more leeway to working people and less to those with "issues",council housing was originally for working people,but the system is abused,and the "bidding"for flats etc is just laughable(unless you are ermm,,,,"priority"!!!!!
10

Caley BC,

Scotland 07/11/2008 13:04:07
The council are now also buying new builds and housing trouble families, especially at Hawkhill Westpoint development, already one family have been thrown out for trashing the flat, also there have been 4/5 car thefts which have been found to be part of their destruction, Maybe the council should review the council tax that the other residents have to pay as they are having to put up with unsociable and abusive neighbours!! Before anyone starts moaning I am not saying that this is a majority but merely a corrosive minority which tarnishes other council tenants!
11

elayne,

07/11/2008 13:06:41
#13 cheers!we were looking at houses at the hawkhill area,you have just put me off,i dont fancy buying a house just to be surrounded by neds!HOW did a troublesome family get a house in a new development anyway???
12

PaulB,

Edinburgh 07/11/2008 13:15:08
The council has a deliberate social engineering policy going on wherebye previously 'good' areas are being used to dump troublemakers, bringing down the tone of the area and leading to increased crime and vandalism. This is going on in Leith just now with housing organisations putting up new developments which will be rented out to the council. There needs to be an urgent rethink on this policy, and on the reasons why there are so many homeless people in the first place. Homeless charity Shelter has been in existence now for over 30 years and have done nothing to reduce the problem - it is jobs for the boys there and they should be stripped of their charitable status as they are a mainly political campaigning organisation like Amnesty.
13

elayne,

07/11/2008 13:33:36
in the 60s and 70s there was a lot more "checking up"done to prospective tenants,my parents waited 2 years for their first council house,someone came out and had a look round to see living arrangements and a lot more ground work was done by council officials,ok it may seem intrusive by todays standards but it rooted out undesirables.preference was given to young married couples(like my folks)who worked,and were mostly living with in laws etc,ok times change,fair enough,but it just seems like a free for all now,no real background checks are done for suitability of prospective tenants,so in effect ANY ONE of us here could go and claim we were homeless and get a flat,easy eh?
14

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

07/11/2008 13:40:17
We need a complete revamp of the welfare system. Those taking charity from taxpayers should be tested regularly for drugs aand alcohol. If they're positive, they're off welfare. Taxpayers have enough problems without supporting people in a hedonist lifestyle. If they want to get off their faces, they should earn the wherewithal themselves.

Similarly those on welfare should be required to attend school 9 to 5 to show that they're trying to improve their chances of getting a job and supporting themselves.

15

The real dracula,

07/11/2008 13:40:37
Let me tell you this one ,,,it is true by the way.

We have amongst a lot of the frequent attenders to hospital 2 characters who stand out . As far as I know they don't know each other.

Character A Registered for DLA as he is an alcoholic who used crutches given to him for a short period of time for a sore ankle , he refused to give them back and was still using them months later(hes lost them now and we refused to give anymore and he had to be removed by the police) so now hes crutch less. But several months ago he was given a brand new council house and a motability car I think in an effort to persuade him to change. He still frequently rings ambulances , abuses hosp ans amb staff and becomes so violent he ends up in the cells for the night. His last attendance he spat in one of the Dr's faces.

Character B rings an ambulance on sometimes a nightly basis stays about an hour and then uses paid for taxi card to go home. The amb service took this person to court to ban from ringing amb service but it didn't work. They have just been rehoused to in a brand new development a few weeks ago.

It puzzles me why these appallingly behaved council tenants are rewarded for bad behaviour ( both have caused drunken trouble in their old properties) and yet hard working council tenants get sweet f all.

Makes me very angry. I am not a council tenent but if I ws Id be kicking up hell about these examples. What about poor disabled folk on their 3rd floor flat who never get out cos they cant manage the stairs , Im sure they would love a new property anda motability car
16

elayne,

07/11/2008 13:46:51
#18 yeah we have a few types like that here too,a straightjacket would be most appropriate thing for pests like them!why do people who have drink and drug issues get DLA??(when some genuine disabled folks get knocked back for it)anyone know the answer?,just curious
17

Snails dont like curry and chips,

Edinburgh 07/11/2008 14:01:12
Are these other councils giving Edinburgh money to take on their liabilities? I think this world is going round the bend and Edinburgh is 99.9% there already.
18

tomias,

Edinburgh 07/11/2008 14:52:00
and who voted for this lot then?
Own up!
19

ConnorD,

07/11/2008 16:18:12
East Lothian have been housing addicted offenders in Leith for years.....what's new?
20

ZipptJeffrey,

Castle 07/11/2008 16:24:45
Here what Edinburgh Council need to do:

1: got a drug problem? No home for you.
2: history of violence or abuse ? No home for you here in Edinburgh.
3: Immigrant purposely travelling to edinburgh to be declared homeless? No home for you. You made yourself homeless.

English regional councils are already tightening up their housing policy and are not housing "transitory homeless". So they just move to another borough. Its time Edinburgh done the same thing.
21

Goskun,

Edi 07/11/2008 16:44:43
My neighbours. 5 in the hoose.(Cooncil 2 Bed) None working, never have. Sell drugs to supplement dole money. (Fri nights 8'til late) Constant noise, battles (up and coming News story), dumping of rubbish in stair etc, damage to property,cars etc.
All been reported to the cooncil and polis. Nothing done. damage to building, doors etc. to bepaid for by other owners. Tenant contribution "0" !!
22

Goskun,

07/11/2008 17:10:05
#25 not really to do with story..just needed to get that off my chest

#19 Elayne...http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/content/category/11/17/43/
23

elayne,

07/11/2008 18:00:22
#26 glad you got it off your chest,id be p*shed off too if i had neighbours like that
#24 agreed!
24

Concerned local,

Edinburgh 07/11/2008 18:21:46
Kind of tangential - but some of the comments above mirror my own experience as a law abiding citizen suffering criminal damage and petty vandalism for years. Reporting things to the 'social' (sic) landlords of these people or the police or the council or anyone in authority is a complete and utter waste. The constant refrain is 'there's nothing you can do about it'.

So guess what? I now don't bother, having been totally indoctrinated - never will I report anything or help or be a witness again. I am in the wrong. 'THERE'S NOTHING I CAN DO ABOUT IT.' OFFICIAL!!!!

Welcome to anarchy.
25

Dragonlord,

07/11/2008 18:34:50
The coulcil recent gave away the houses in Southhouse to Homes in Scotland. With the proviso they could still house people there for the first year. The council then sent every troublesome family there to get them off their books.HiS promised residents that anyone causing bother would be evicted but then backed down and the place is now a bigger hole than before.
26

elayne,

07/11/2008 18:48:10
it seems not to matter if people speak up against troublesome families,their "needs"are put first,and excuses are made for them,eg"drug issues" which is their own fault,and they seem to be be given houses,only to turn the area into a dump,if people rose up and spoke out against these people,,THEY are the ones who would be accused of "victimising"them
27

ZipptJeffrey,

castle 07/11/2008 19:08:12
with regard to the scum tenants, may isuggest that posters read GHarth Ennis run on
The Punisher Imax series. A lot of good constructive ideas in there on how to deal with scum/nuisance neighbours. The police had their chance. ITS OUR TURN NOW....
28

Kyle,

Granton 07/11/2008 19:12:43
Absolutely nothing new here - this has been going on for years. Other Councils pay Edinburgh to accommodate folk they have an obligation to house but have no places within their own area.

Perhaps this is just another attempt for the News to have a go at the Council who are at least trying to spend appropriate to income, unlike the last administration who have left us with a financial 'black hole.'
29

Finbarr Saunders,

07/11/2008 19:24:47
Got to admire East Lothian and Midlothian Council for dumping their undesirables on Edinburgh.

Pity Edinburgh won't dump some of its undesirables on Glasgow.

30

The real dracula,

07/11/2008 21:34:16
Can anyone tell me a reson why there isnt a zero tolerance approach to these problematic families.
If they are provided with a home they either behave or they are out , with no second chances . They will then have to remain homeless or stay in a hostel.
If children are involved then they will need o go into foster care , its not a good atmosphere to bring them up in a problem family.

Maybe if they realise they WILL lose the roof over their head and their kids they might just give in.
31

Decent,

07/11/2008 22:10:58
Hi Drac I totally agree with you tonight. These people get away with murder. My ex brother-in-law paid nothing and I mean nothing! His veiw - what they gonna do evict me? Then they have to rehouse me. They all know how to work the system.
15 - Re shelter - they are not a charity! We had a really bad tenant who wrecked the house. They went to shelter who provided them with a free lawyer to defend them as they would be homeless if we evicted them! We eventually got them out - they smashed mirror wardrobes - put iron burns in the centre of every carpet - ane WE had to deliver a roller blind they left to shelter!
32

Decent,

07/11/2008 22:12:34
Oh Elayne - I've totally misjudged you I'm sorry. I like you now and am really sorry you lost a child.
24 - Go as an independent please I will vote for you.
33

COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 08/11/2008 00:04:34
thats,it.selling.house.cars.everthing.coming.home
34

Robert12,

Edinburgh 08/11/2008 09:29:41
Of course the fact that Edinburgh sends off junkies to centres in East Lothian and Dunfermline is ignored. Yet another pointless article from the Evening News.

24 is right, but then where do these "homeless" people go? A better solution would be to build a big warehouse on the outskirts and put them there. Bare minimum requirements - bed, showers, changing facilities. See how long some of these "homeless" folk take to find somewhere else.
35

AnitaL,

Edinburgh 08/11/2008 10:48:38
I recall my partner telling me a few years ago that one of his colleagues said, "wow - I turn 18 next month! That means I can get a council house!" There was nothing wrong with her - two arms, two legs, intelligent, working full time - yet it was part of her expectation that once she hit adulthood she would get a council house. What's with this culture of entitlement?

 

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