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Published Date: 25 November 2008
CORNER shops are banding together to fight the Scottish Government's proposed ban on cigarette displays.
Members of the Tobacco Retailers Alliance will lobby MSPs at Holyrood tonight, arguing that forcing them to hide tobacco products from public view will be expensive and could even force some shops out of business.

They claim a ban on cigarette dis
plays in Iceland in 2001 led to a collapse in turnover in small stores but no change in the number of 15-to-19 year olds smoking.

The retailers insist they fully support the Government's drive to reduce smoking among young people, but claim there are more effective options available, including cracking down on the black market, more rigorous enforcement of the existing law against selling tobacco to minors and making it illegal for adults to buy tobacco for young people.

Arshad Ahmed has had his news and tobacco shop opposite the former Odeon cinema in Clerk Street for 16 years, but fears he could be forced out of business by the proposed display ban.

He said 65 per cent of his business was cigarettes.

He has a display gantry two metres long with eight shelves, packed full of cigarettes, which would have to come down if the ban was introduced.

"I don't know where I would put them all," he said. "The counter is not very big, there's not enough space.

"We would have to build a new unit or counter, which would be expensive, and if we can't make money out of it we might have to pack up."

Abdul Qadar, who runs a small shop in Slateford Road, said: "Who is going to foot the bill for any alterations we have to make to comply with the legislation? In the current climate we're not exactly raking it in.

"The display gantries are often provided free by the tobacco companies and their brand has to be given prominence. If we're having to hide the cigarettes under the counter I don't think they will be forthcoming in paying the £2500-£3000 for each store to have alternative storage."

He claimed the ban could also leave small shops more vulnerable to shoplifting.

He said: "At the moment, we have a tobacco display behind us and we can easily grab a packet and sell it. But if we are having to rummage around under a counter, it means people can come in and help themselves to everything else while we're not looking.

"The ministers who come up with these brilliant ideas should come and stand behind the counter and see what is entailed in the system and they might have second thoughts."

The display ban will be included in the Health Bill due to be put before the Scottish Parliament early next year.

The Scottish Government said it had been engaging with retailers at all stages of the developments.

Public Health Minister, Shona Robison, said: "Point-of-sale display is clearly being used as a promotional tool. The protection of children and young people from the impact of tobacco must be paramount and there are instances – and this is one – when the benefits to public health of the nation must take precedence."





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  • Last Updated: 25 November 2008 11:23 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Tobacco
 
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25/11/2008 11:45:01
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Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 25/11/2008 11:52:42
Typical of meddling, interfering nazis. It is not possible to describe how low these excuses for human beings are because the English language does not encompass suitable words of phrases.

What happens with tobacconists? If this utter madness becomes law, then they will have to hide their entire stock from view. That is how moronic these proposals are.

Foo:

For a start, smoking is NOT an addiction. There are also tobacco products other than cigarettes. You don't smoke, so you have no idea. If you don't want to see tobacco products when you go into a shop, then close your eyes. Simple.
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Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 25/11/2008 11:55:18
Shona Robison would have been at home living in Berlin in the 1930's. Then she would have been able to openly wear her brown shirt and jackboots whilst she went about removing people's freedom of choice and encouraging discrimination.

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Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 25/11/2008 11:56:43
To all those of you who have deluded yourself enough to want independence---this is what you will get for you trouble:-

No Fun.
No Freedom.
No Future.

If you dare to drink or smoke you will be ostracised and discriminated against by the jack boots of SNP oppression.
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everything you do is probably a Balloon,

25/11/2008 12:09:18
5 I have to agree with Foo petrelhead. You are a bit silly.

However , hiding fags will just cause unnecessary conversations slowing the whole process down. Kids will work out pretty quickly where the cigarettes are kept , This is childish.
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Arrow,

edinburgh 25/11/2008 12:19:32
all smokers and drinkers and obese people should be refused NHS treatement, access to public transport and social housing; people who cannot trace their Scottish ancestry back to 1745 should be prohibited from using the Tram and attending anything in the Festival. anyone with out a car or access to one should be banned from public transport including airyplanes; red-headed and left handed folk should be made to wear hats and keep thier left hands strapped to their sides and inside their jackets. and these shirts with the jaggy lightning bolts on the collars are uncomfortable.
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Liz,

Edinburgh 25/11/2008 12:25:41
When I was a kid in the 80's one could buy confectionary cigarettes - I remember both chocolate ones and those white candy sticks that even had a red tip at the end to make it look like it was a lit cigarette.
We used to run around pretending to smoke them in the days before the anti smoking police started up.

Even having played with such things as a kid I have never felt any real desire to have a real cigarette. Smoking is more to do with social attitudes and peer group pressure, hiding them from display will not stop people smoking.

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Ima Stoner,

HIGH street, edinburgh 25/11/2008 12:26:16
By not displaying the cigarettes to the public and have them hidden beneath the counter, will this not make them seem more appealing to the youngsters.

#2 - smoking not addictive eh? What planet are you on - cigarettes are more addictive than heroin!
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Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 25/11/2008 12:30:44
"I smoked for 10 years mate"

Nothing worse than a reformed smoker...

As far as I am concerned, I am not addicted. I smoke because I enjoy it. And I don't smoke to excess.

What does the most part of the damage with smoking is inhaling the smoke. Puffing away is relatively benign. A pipe and cigars are generally not inhaled whereas cigarettes generally are.

I remember what used to be printed on the backs of cigarette packets before the days of defacement with propaganda....

Advice by HM Government: If you do smoke cigarettes...
1. Inhale less
2. Remove cigarette from mouth between puffs
3. Take fewer puffs
4. Leave a long stub

That was sensible and correct advice. What we get now, where tobacco packets are defaced to scream "smoking kills" at you is just over-reaction and lies.

Smoking can damage your health. Smoking to excess can kill. Let's leave it at that eh? let's stop deluding ourselves that if a non-smoker gets the merest whiff of tobacco smoke they are going to die in agony.
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Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 25/11/2008 12:35:45
#9:

Actually, it is not. This is just another anti-smoking lie that has been put about by the nazis.

If nicotine was as addictive as they say it is, then a great deal of people would also be addicted to potatoes, carrots and other root vegetables because the chemicals in them produce similar chemicals in the human body to that which nicotine produces.

Also, if "passive smoking" existed (which it doesn't) and smoking was as addictive as they say it is (which it isn't) then non-smokers would become hooked on tobacco smoke if they went into a smoky room. Can you not see what a tissue of lies we are being told?
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DaveA,

Forfarshire 25/11/2008 12:37:43
Foo: You said "smoked for 10 years" have you given up? Can't be that bad an addiction. How many people have had to give up their jobs or been sacked because of smoking, unlike alcoholics and heroin users?

Being the anorak I am, here are the statistics in iceland for those who have never smoked aged 15-19.

1999 69.30%
2001 70.00 Year of display ban
2002 70.60
2003 65.80 Consumption went up !!!!!
2007 69.30 It went back to where it had started in 1999

More stats on request.

Meddling governments are just there to keep themselves busy.

http://www.statice.is/?PageID=2004&highlight=smoking








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everything you do is probably a Balloon,

25/11/2008 12:39:18
11. you are paranoid delusional
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Mist001,

Marseille 25/11/2008 12:50:30
As far as I know, Germany were the last EU country to implement the smoking ban, because the Nazis outlawed it during to 1930s and they didn't want to go back to Nazi laws so held it off as long as they could. It's banned now, of course and the coffee shops in Amsterdam are working out ways around it.

On a slightly lighter note, here's a link to a You Tube video, the only connection being Nazis. Some of you might have seen it, but I thought it was pretty darned funny and is worth watching for those who haven't:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=BUNUuqlG1a0

Michael.
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Decent,

25/11/2008 12:59:29
Oh yeah - Mummy I want one of these nice cigarette packet thingys - please mummy can I smoke them please?
That's why I started smoking - because I saw them on display and I wanted some.
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DaveA,

Forfarshire 25/11/2008 13:02:10
Foo: Well done you have learnt to cut and paste, Bill gates will be proud of you.

Re post 15: Are you referring to smoking or could it be high fat food? Ban chips I say.

Re "Cigarettes contain more than 4000 chemical compounds and at least 400 toxic substances."

A good example is benzene which constitutes 2% of a gallon of petrol. If you are in a room 100m3 to reach danger levels from passive smoking you have to be surrounded by 13,300 to 14,000 smokers, pullonium is 1,000,000. Passive smokers breathe in between 1/250 to 1/500 of an active smoker. So hence an active smoker would have to be smoking this number of cigarettes to reach danger levels simutaneously.

13,300/250 = 53.2

Even I spoke one at a time.




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DaveA,

Forfarshire 25/11/2008 13:04:53
16: If they were 16 it is their decision.
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Decent,

25/11/2008 13:06:55
Dave - Are you an anorak? How many do you spoke a day then?
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Ecto,

25/11/2008 13:07:01
why is moving the fags going to put anyone out of business this is a rediculous tenuous link if I have ever heard one. Now banning them altogether (which is the approach I would take) would put people out of business, hiding them from view in sweetie shops seems perfectly sensible to me.
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DaveA,

Forfarshire 25/11/2008 13:14:21
21: My taylor is Millets and people call me Parka.
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Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 25/11/2008 13:14:59
#17:

"...they didn't want to go back to Nazi laws so held it off as long as they could. It's banned now, of course."

Errm... No it's not.

I remember quite recently that the Germans amended the law so that if a bar was too small to have separate areas for smoking and non-smoking, it was permitted for the licencee to decide wither way. This was a change from imposing non-smoking on places too small to have separate areas, which was considered to be grossly unfair.

And the Germans are right. It's about time we took a few leaves out of German books. Start with copying their smoking legislation, then get rid of the pathetic 70mph limit on rural motorways.
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Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 25/11/2008 13:20:42
#22:

And your profession is ........... which therefore makes you an authority on the subject of small retailers.

Come on! I'm sure we are all dying to know!
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everything you do is probably a Balloon,

25/11/2008 13:24:40
25 I find your attitude sick . Friends colleagues and amily have all died from cancer due to smoking. If you dont stop I will ask for your comments to be removed.

Daft isnt the word for you.
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Rambo The Jambo,

Edinburgh 25/11/2008 13:29:39
Smoking is very definately addictive. I used to smoke 30 a day and giving up was hell. The withdrawal symptoms lasted for weeks.

High Octane, it's not as easy as you think. Obviously the less dependent you are on nicotine the easier it is to give up.
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Ecto,

25/11/2008 13:31:44
#25 I ran off licences for over 12 years so know a thing or two about retailing!

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Helen,

25/11/2008 13:39:57
Anything which will stop children and young people taking up this life threatening addiction has got to be welcomed. The statistics are clear....if you smoke, your health will be affected and you will not live as long as a non-smoker.
I'd like to see some shop owners have the guts to say they aren't going to sell cigarettes. I'd go out of my way to give them my custom.
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Ecto,

25/11/2008 13:44:35
Spot on Helen, sense at last
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Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 25/11/2008 13:47:11
#30:

So you sold cigarettes, cigars and tobacco then?
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Clif E,

London 25/11/2008 13:49:28
Seems like the SNP health minister have taken a leaf out of the labour parties book, TELL MORE LIES ABOUT THERE REASONS TO HARRASS PEOLPE WHO SMOKE, BRING IN MORE SILLY UNJUST LAWS AND TO HELL WITH WHAT THE PUBLIC THINK OR SAY. Sorry but when you Scots voted for the SNP i thought it was to make Scotland independant and stronger, but seems like there is no change for the better, at a time of world ressession do the goverment think this the time to heap more unwanted stress and hardship on small busnesses with these stupid unjust laws, children and young people all see people smoking and know all about smoking so what is a silly law like this going to achieve, apart from more injustice, more ineqaulity and more hardship for small busnesses. Remember things that are hidden seems more attractive to curious people/children.
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Jasbar,

25/11/2008 13:50:03
Why not only sell tobacco through tabacs. Shops licensed only to sell tobacco and related products. Then they could be responsible for ensuring that tobacco is only bought in the premises by adult smokers, and who would not be any more adversely affected by in store advertising designed to persuade purchase of one product over a competitor's.

The alternative?

We could continue with the creeping state fascism we have now where our individual freedoms are being stolen by the Labour party which seems to want to live all our lives for us.
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Kirspin,

Fergus, Ontario twinned with Blairgowie 25/11/2008 13:50:10
This type of Hiding "Smokes" is the Law here in Ontario, also the cost of building the wall, its paid for by the Shop owner! All the smoking walls look the same to me, also the owner of the shop has to make sure the person bying the smokes is over 19!
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DaveA,

Forfarshire 25/11/2008 13:55:06
27: My kids are 18 and 13, I did make the point if they were 16. If they were 12 or 6 I would not allow them to smoke, drink or have sex. I allowed my daughter at 14 and my son when he is 14 to have a small glass of wine or beer with dinner on special occassions such as birthdays and Christmas if they want to. Apart from that I look at it as my responsibility to correct their behaviour and if needs be give them a smack.
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Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 25/11/2008 13:55:42
Mr Balloon,

I have known people who have died from smoking as well... and in every single case, they had smoked to excess---wildly to excess. And what is more, in the majority of cases they freely admitted it. I am talking about 60 a day here. And strangely enough, in every case it was cigarettes which they inhaled deeply.

Consuming anything to excess is going to be bad for you, and may even kill you. I'm not disputing that smoking to excess is a bad thing. And I do not encourage people to start smoking either---I just don't rabidly try to put them off by telling lies and exaggerating.

These proposed measures are pointless and are in fact discriminatory above all else. Robison want's to "de-normalize" smoking, and by implication, smokers as well. Well, I for one do not wish to be "de-normalized" like many groups were in Germany in the 1930s.

At the end of the day, if you don't want to smoke, don't buy the damn things. But whatever you do, for christs sake leave the rest of us in peace.
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Ima Stoner,

HIGH street, edinburgh 25/11/2008 14:14:37
#11 - Actually, a very good friend of mine - who was in the medical profession became addicted to heroin for a few years - anyway, they eventually managed to quit heroin and stay clean, the only habit left was smoking fags, and that one they couldn't stop - and they fully admitted that they found fags to be far more addictive than heroin!

#36: The tabacs is a great idea, they do that in Spain now.

LEGALISE CANNABIS - BAN CIGARETTES :-)
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Ecto,

25/11/2008 14:22:48
~34 yes, along with booze, juice sweeties and crisps
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Cod,

25/11/2008 14:32:08
Petrol heed

Smoking is addictive, it's not a habit. A habit is leaving the toilet seat up. One is not addicted to that. Well, I hope not..
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Ghengis McCann,

Edinburgh 25/11/2008 14:53:28
#15 "Research has shown that smoking reduces life expectancy by seven to eight years"

True, but not wholly bad news, Foo. It does mean that we are likely to be rid of the bigoted pestilence known as Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head seven to eight years earlier than would otherwise be the case.
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Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 25/11/2008 14:57:27
In my experience (and I should know because I smoke) the reason people smoke is a combination of many factors. Prominant ones are:-

1. The physical habit of the act of smoking
2. The combination of flavours and aromas, particularly in combination with drink.
3. The lingering aroma in the room (especially when smoking cigars or a pipe)
4. Pure bloody-mindedness in that you will not be told what to do (especially nowadays)
5. The visual effect--a relatively minor detail but still significant. Think of Churchill without his cigar, Wilson without his pipe or James Dean without his cigarette.
6. As a "prop" to aid thinking and concentration.

A combination of all of these factors, at different levels of consciousness, is what makes smoking difficult to give up. If it was as simple as a craving for nicotine then sticking plasters on your arm would do the trick without any further effort. The so-called "addiction" to nicotine has been invented in recent times by antis because it's easy to propagate. The fact that is not true is another matter but hey! You can't let truth get in the way of decent propaganda can you?
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Tim85,

25/11/2008 14:58:12
Stoner - I take it you'd still allow tobacco to be smoked in conjunction with cannabis? Is such tobacco somehow harmless?
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Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 25/11/2008 15:00:04
#45:

If you don't smoke, you are more likely to suffer from dementia.
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Cod,

25/11/2008 15:01:59
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If you don't stop, you are more likely to suffer from a fat lip.
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Decent,

25/11/2008 15:02:24
Alternatively it can be eaten in cakes, chocolate etc. Why have you shortened your name dimwit? Are you trying to disguise the fact that you are a fat Canadian in a kimono?
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Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 25/11/2008 15:06:02
#49:

More likely a bleeding lip. If you forget to moisten the end of your fag before sticking it in your mouth, when you pull it out it sometimes takes a bit of skin with it. (ouch!).
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Ima Stoner,

High Street, edinburgh 25/11/2008 15:07:36
#47 - "I take it you'd still allow tobacco to be smoked in conjunction with cannabis?" - although that is the most popular way, the best way would be to smoke grass straight - no tobacco at all, or through a water bong (cooler and healthier). It's interesting in Holland that there are coffee shops where people of all ages smoke dope, but if they want a fag, they have to go outside and smoke it - even though most folk in the coffee shop are smoking joints made with tobacco!
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Solo Lobo,

25/11/2008 15:07:50
Smoking is not against the law (yet-too much tax revenue for the government) and those who want to smoke are legally entitled to do just that.
Cigarettes should not be sold to those underaged whether the packets are on display or not.
This is just another example of the repressive nanny state sticking their nose in where it's not wanted or welcome.
On the bright side, perhaps Foo, who has an opinion on everything and dislikes being disagreed, with may get back on the weed. Foo cough.
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Ima Stoner,

High Street, Edinburgh 25/11/2008 15:11:29
#53 - I've thought that for ages, if smoking is so bad why don't they just ban the cancer sticks and be done with it - but, the government makes far too much money from them to do that.
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Dunedinhen,

Darlington 25/11/2008 15:25:05
the story was about tobacco products being hidden from view in a shop and one trader says that they can't afford to build a new display/ don't have the space......every retailer has shutters on their display already! keep them closed, job done and not a penny spent!
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Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 25/11/2008 15:33:16
#56:

It's a pity that the antis don't have shutters on their houses. Otherwise we could keep them closed and we would all have a bit of peace.

It would be even better if they were smoke-tight, then the antis would have nothing to moan about... Or better still if they were air-tight, then none of us would have anything to moan about.
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Decent,

25/11/2008 15:38:12
Don't know why they moan anyway - they get all that second hand smoke free! Costs us a bl00dy fortune.
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Ghengis McCann,

Edinburgh 25/11/2008 15:43:34
#48 - "If you don't smoke, you are more likely to suffer from dementia"

You just made that up didn't you? Can't possibly be true given your self-admitted smoking habit and the deluded, demented p1sh which you post on here every day.
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Ghengis McCann,

Edinburgh 25/11/2008 15:52:44
#54 - "if smoking is so bad why don't they just ban the cancer sticks and be done with it"

Because they understand that outright prohibition won't work. The USA tried it with alcohol and got organised crime in return. More effective to make smoking ever more inconvenient and socially stigmatised so that fewer kids take it up and it just fades away over time.

Existing smokers will all die off eventually. Luckily the increased incidence of lung cancer and other nasssty respiratory diseases among dirrrty, smelly smokers helps to speed up that process.

What we have above is just the the last thrashings of dinosaur tails as your extinction approaches. Fragrant, cough free non-smokers - the future belongs to us!
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Decent,

25/11/2008 16:09:41
60- You really believe all that sh/te don't you - poor wee lamb.
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Old Town,

Edinburgh 25/11/2008 16:13:20
Public Health Minister, Shona Robison, said: "Point-of-sale display is clearly being used as a promotional tool.

I wish I was in the goverment so I can say silly things like this, what do you think it is?
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Goskun,

25/11/2008 16:30:09
#56 Well done. somebody has actually read the article. Beat me to it though. I was gonna suggest a curtain for the cabinet and a cover for the counter. Simple cheap and practicle.
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DaveA,

Forfarshire 25/11/2008 16:30:20
40 because it is illegal.
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mobocaster,

Aberdeen 25/11/2008 16:37:33
#59 - Ghengis

#48 - "If you don't smoke, you are more likely to suffer from dementia"


Nope, not made-up. I remember that one being trotted out a year or two back. Along with one or two other relavents about tobacco being used for self medication in a variety of psych illnesses.
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Decent,

25/11/2008 16:54:31
Getting to be a habit with you Hugh. Take detention. And a thousand lines.
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Fred Quimby,

25/11/2008 17:06:17
Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,
Edinburgh 25/11/2008

You are clearly AFF YER CHUMP!
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Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 25/11/2008 17:06:30
#68:

"It has all party support."

If I recall correctly, the Tories voted against the smoking ban and will likely as not vote against this madness too.

It seems that the Tories are the only party nowadays who haven't been suckered up by all this nanny state rubbish and still believe in the freedom of the individual and the right to choose.
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Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 25/11/2008 17:11:21
#73:

Oh I see... Off my chump. You mean like anyone in Germany during the 30s who didn't toe the party line and/or dared to question the propaganda was also off their chump?

OK. By that definition, I suppose I am off my chump, but hey! At least I can sleep soundly at night knowing that I have tollerance and respect for the freedom of others to choose. I am also safe in the knowledge that I am right.
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an interested party,

25/11/2008 17:11:27
dont see any advertising for drugs

silly me nobody takes them so it must work
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Cod,

25/11/2008 17:22:56
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I'm currently having a couple of fags at the rear of my property.
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Finbarr Saunders,

25/11/2008 17:23:45
I look forward to the day when the sale of tobacco is completely banned in this country.

As an interm step, I suggest that those who wish to purchase tobacco products should be subjected to a mild electric shock at the point of sale to reinforce the message that tobacco is bad for them. Electrodes attached to their fingertips should do the trick.

Any steps to make purchasing cigarettes more difficult can only be a good thing for the well-being of our nation.

I pity those who haven failed to give up smoking, because of their woeful lack of willpower, but it does irk me when they criticise measures that are clearly designed to help them overcome their nasty addiction.
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Decent,

25/11/2008 17:43:29
Well the non smokers should go outside - it's them that want the fresh air.
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is it me?,

Edinburgh 25/11/2008 17:59:59
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Unfortunate selection. They're nearly all famous dead peole.
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is it me?,

Edinburgh 25/11/2008 18:00:20
"people"
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Voldemort,

Edinburgh 25/11/2008 18:17:47
Those who smoke are less susceptible to some airborne viruses - rollies only though ... that info could be useful in the near future ....

Take plenty of selenium, iodine and radical raiders to help combat the long term effects of smoking .... and cut out the sugar where poss - cancer loves sugar !

other than that - we all kick the bucket someday whether you smoke or not ... so live life doing stuff you want to not whining about what others do ... a little bit of smoke every now and again is not going to hurt you!

Try googling carcinogens car fumes and then decide whether having the occasional passive cigge or breathing in carfumes all day is worse for you - for that matter cooking fumes or BBQ fumes too .....

The only reason they want you to witch hunt smokers is because if you opened your eyes properly - you'd see that was the least of your worries ! Smoke and mirrors folks - hehe ...
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Journalistic licence,

In the morgue 25/11/2008 19:07:47
"The ministers who come up with these brilliant ideas should come and stand behind the counter and see what is entailed in the system and they might have second thoughts."

Can't believe the selfishness and arrogance of the idiot. Everyone who profits from the sale of cigarettes should go to their nearest hospital and visit the cancer ward, cardiac and respiratory illness ward, amuputations ward, and babies at risk ward and they might have second thoughts about what they are profitting from.
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subrosa,

25/11/2008 20:57:41
I've read most of the posts on here. I started 'serious' smoking when I left home at 18.

At 28 I was so confident I could give it up but enjoyed it.

At 38 I still thought I could give it up but I needed it as I was a one parent family and it was my only 'treat'.

At 48 I said I'd stop when I was 50 and tried then.

Now a pensioner, I've tried several times since. It's a hellish addiction and I defy anyone to deny it is an addiction.

Many of my friends have given up years ago and the main reason was 'I'm not giving the government any more of my money."

I will continue my attempts to finish with this filthy habit but the 'help' offered by the government is patronising in the extreme so it's down to me.
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they aint won the cup since 1902,

25/11/2008 20:58:18
Im one of these strange folk that just smokes sometimes. I can stop for months then have a bad day & start again. On a recent visit to france i spent ages looking for cigs then realised after going into a service station they were under the counter. I thought , what a great idea then says to the Missus """ I bet thats the next step for Back home with this smoking ban""" Kids wont see them when they walk into a shop. I mean all you have to do is walk in to the shop and ask for 20 whatever & the shop assistant pulls out the drawer and gives you them if you are the legal age. WHATS THE DEBATE ????
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they aint won the cup since 1902,

25/11/2008 21:22:55
To the retailers.. Such as the guy across from the playhouse. Use your imagination & the space behind the counter can be used for selling something else. Its the first thing folk see when they walk in.
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celtic4,

USA 26/11/2008 00:15:53
I just think hiding the stupid cigarettes is ridiculous. That is, in my opinion, Big Brother MAKING someone do something that is NOT against the LAW.
And will it help prevent children from smoking? Nope. Not at all.
Also, if cigarettes are totally banned in the country, it will be like Prohibition in America,making people buy even more dangerous black market cigarettes that might even have worse drugs in them, and by the way...Prohibition did not work either. Period. Stop this silly prattle and let the shops alone.
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Belinda-2,

26/11/2008 10:48:16
Smoking obviously affects people in different ways. Even if it took forty years to give up, however, it would not be addictive in the sense of class A drugs like heroin. You would not steal from your family or turn to crime if you couldn't get fags. Your family would not be complaining of sudden untrustworthiness or personality changes. You might be irritable or anxious but that is a minor inconvenience compared with what a real addiction can do to you.

This suggestion is hare brained: list all the bad effects of smoking that you like, it will not result in a drop in smoking. If we lose shops, people will get their fags in other ways. It will just hold up people in queues and cause more irritation without achieving any drop in smoking.



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DeniseX,

26/11/2008 14:35:07
It doesn't appear that the Government are in the least bit worried about more businesses going broke and more people being made unemployed. They've done it with the pub industry, so a few more tens of thousands wont notice too much.
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Stef,

Edinburgh 26/11/2008 23:59:25
Walking past a Bingo hall in a shopping centre earlier this evening, I made my way around a large group of women standing out in the freezing cold,smoking some very elderly. Shoppers, kids'n'prams all passing and weaving their way around them. I felt angry, this is so undignified, sad that these woman have been put in this position by a regime of fanatics, such as Shona Robison, her buddies at ASH Headquarters, and all the other corrupt loony Eugenics freaks within the tartan taliban.
The Labour party started this nonesense, we have our communities falling apart, due to all these legislations with 1000's of pubs, clubs, cafe's, hostelries, Bingo Halls lost or closing down. many 1000's of jobs lost and families affected. These lunatics who designed these crazy policies do not regard 'poverty' as being the biggest health issue for most people. Certainly by manner of the way these great people have handled the economy they should all have nothing to say with regard to public health.
They have without doubt de-normalised everyones financial situation. I am not sure whether we are a 'Nazi' state, now with the banks nationalised, that would be more like a communist state. So I guess it will be now the Government who will be evicting from their homes now, since they are in control.
However! in the midst of a colapsing country, our Shona Robison sets out to kill the corner shop, on her narrow minded, control freak funded crusade. It just gets bleaker by the day.
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Stef,

Edinburgh 27/11/2008 00:06:06
#99 correction,
So I guess it will be now the Government who will be evicting 'people' from their homes now, since they are now have control of the banks and building societies.

 

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