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Published Date: 24 May 2008
IT once struck fear into thousands of youngsters, but now the belt used to punish pupils at Liberton High School is to form part of an exhibition marking its 50th anniversary.
Old photographs, memories from past and present pupils, a history of Liberton's last 50 years, and a reconstruction of a coal mine marking the area's heritage are all set to feature.

Storytelling will also play a major part, with children at the s
chool working with writers, musicians and artists to create a history project.

It is also hoped the exhibition – set to cost £25,000 – will go on to tour the local area. School librarian Christine Babbs, who is co-ordinating the 50th anniversary celebrations, has worked at Liberton for 22 years after starting there as a pupil in 1974.

She said: "There's quite a few people who came back to the school as staff after being a pupil here. I think there is a lot of affection for the school.

"The anniversary will allow young people who are currently at the school to look at their own heritage and area and celebrate the last 50 years of the school.

"When I first came to this area many years ago, there was still mining here, so the community has definitely changed a lot.

"That will play an important part in the exhibition and I am hoping that people will be able to go into some kind of recreated coal mine and have that experience and then come out into a bright white area to mark the shift over the past 50 years."

Learning assistant Iris O'Brien is also a former Liberton High pupil and knows only too well what it's like to be on the receiving end of the dreaded belt.

The 61-year-old started school in 1959, just a few months after it opened.

She said: "When I came to the school it was brand new, everything was shiny, and there were hardly any kids here. One of the big changes between what it was like then and what it's like now is the discipline.

"I remember getting the belt just for clicking my pen. In fact, I always seemed to be getting the belt for doing nothing at all. I also used to get lines all the time – the kids don't get lines these days."

Although the school is still waiting to find out if it has secured funding for the project, it has the backing of major organisations including the National Library of Scotland, Edinburgh University, Scottish Mining Museum and the General Register Office.

Former pupils are being invited to a traditional school disco in the summer, with people expected to fly over from Australia and New Zealand especially for the reunion. One of the other major events will be a Dragon's Den-style contest involving current pupils.

The school is looking for local entrepreneurs to act as "dragons" and judge the business initiatives of the young people. Former teachers are also being invited to get in touch with the school to share their memories for inclusion in the exhibition.

The school first opened in August 1958, and the official opened was held in May the following year.





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  • Last Updated: 24 May 2008 10:44 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Teaching
 
1

Calum Crubag,

Dùn Eideann 24/05/2008 11:18:50
This is surely a cue for the Dail Mail readers to appear with cries of 'bring back the belt' or maybe 'hang em!'. Or maybe, in good old Biblical style, 'stone to death the pen clickers'...

And they would be right. Violence IS the answer to all our problems. It worked in Iraq.
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 24/05/2008 11:40:40

Ah the,..'Old-Belt'..'By-God' it put the,'Fear-of-Hell', into you!

'By-God-Man'!,...Your 'old charlie boy' got it a few times, me being NO,....'goody twoshoes'!

:-)))
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livilion,

livingston 24/05/2008 12:26:54
Aye but was it a thick leather tawse with two tongues or a super-stinging rubber version demonstrated by whipping it out ninja style from over a shoulder turning chalk sticks to dust with a sudden almighty whack on the teacher's desk?

In our day the threat of the belt was way more effective than its over-use by weak disciplinarians and teachers with a weak belting arm.

When the threat was removed the sanction became 'holidays' from school, the length of which was granted depending on the severity of the misdemeanor.
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alex paterson,

Sevilla 24/05/2008 12:31:52
The belt was a daily happening for me,after a few months you get used to it and become immune to the pain,now the cane thats different.
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an interested party,

24/05/2008 12:53:36
the belt didn't really put me off it was just what happened when you got caught
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Douglas,

Bathgate 24/05/2008 12:54:53
Are you reminiscing or listing your preferences Alex?:o)
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A Friend of Fernando Poo,

, Newington 24/05/2008 13:12:39
When I were a lad, my gym teacher was Bill McLaren, the Rugby commentator. I'd occasionally get into trouble for fighting. Rather than the belt, he'd haul you out in front of the class, make you bend over, then kick you in the bum so that you fell over.
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James (1),

24/05/2008 13:36:28
#1 "I'd like to teach the world to sing" type that you are has allowed us to have the type of society we have now.
You have got your way, banning the belt, being politically correct and we now see the results.
Children with no repect for anyone including themself.
More teachers assaulted but our wee Janet and Johns get the error of their ways explained to them and they will never do it again.
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24/05/2008 14:55:43
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24/05/2008 15:19:39
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Calum Crubag,

24/05/2008 16:03:06
#9 - politically correct, moi? No, violence IS the answer. When i was at school some 25 years ago, we were belted and loved it. There was no bad behaviour, apart from during the miners' strike some 300 pupils rampaged through the school. Certainly, the 'aulder' generation of those 35plus are excellent citizens because of being beaten at school. Look at the Rangers' fans the other week. Our politicians and their behaviour. Shining examples that violent punishment works.

Similarly, there is absolutely no truth in the 'statistics' that show that those American states with the death penalty actually have higher murder rates. More violence please, against everyone.

Btw, James, you ARE a teacher, aren't you?
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Calum Crubag,

24/05/2008 16:07:03
Btw, should we open this principle to everyone in society. When folk drop litter, should they be lamped? When corrupt politicians and businessmen rob taxpayers, should a mob tear them to pieces? When neds in 4x4s drive while texting on a phone, should they be stoned by an angry mob?

Of course, only those who have broken no laws would be allowed to exact these punishments.

Like i said, more violence WILL make all our lives better.
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Green booger,

24/05/2008 17:05:29
Fantastic news. I'd also like to see a return of the cane and slipper. Kids need a good thrashing if they complain about their human rights being violated.

I blame the socialists and liberals.
14

piper,

24/05/2008 17:06:08
bring back the belt for school bring back the birch for neds out of school
15

Unimpressed one,

24/05/2008 17:07:26
#1, Get a grip FFS. Violence in schools is out of control. True pupils were no angels in the 60s and 70s but when my 14 year old son regularly sees fellow pupils beaten to a pulp, police and ambulances being called virtually on a weekly basis, a bit of corporal punishment would not go amiss.
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wolfette,

Edinburgh 24/05/2008 17:45:42
I remember the belt at school. That wasn't 50 years ago.
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John Knox furr First Meenister,

High St, Embra 24/05/2008 17:47:10
Where's Gorgie Tony?
Btw #16 which school is this where pupils are regularly beaten to a pulp? My kids may have been lucky not being at that school, but that's totally unacceptable anywhere, surely? What does anyone do about it?
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Gere,

Scotland 24/05/2008 18:26:44

When corporal punishment was used in schools as a form of aversion therapy how many children were consuming alcohol at 12 years of age and younger?

How many burnt down schools, attacked teachers and the elderly?

How many children were on drugs?

How many were running ferral on housing estates making life miserable for other residents?

How many were engaging in vandalism?

The list becomes endless!

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24/05/2008 20:33:29
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24/05/2008 20:35:04
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Unimpressed one,

24/05/2008 20:36:35
#18, Won't mention names but it's in West Lothian and it's near Polbeth.
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Ned,

Morningside 24/05/2008 23:22:27
I have made comments on the belt before and i know the schools are not easy places to teach or to be taught.However the belt was used by sadistic and inept teachers using any excuse to give the pupils the belt.
Teachers are supposed to be smart( ????? ). Surely its not beyond them to think of alternative ways to teach our children.
I dont have the answer to this but i know it would be wrong to give the belt back to those terrible people ( teachers ).
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celtic4,

USA 25/05/2008 04:16:42
We used to get the paddle no belts were allowed. I never got a paddling, because Moma told me if I got one at school it would be a switch for me when I got home. I grew to become a law abiding citizen sans paddle or belt tho I did get the switch a couple of times from my harrassed moma. When My kids went to school there was NO corporal punishment unless permission was granted from the parents. I said "If they need it do it". My kids are also law abiding and sober. And not on drugs.
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Gere,

Scotland 25/05/2008 11:41:03
Post# 21 & 22

Digory, Narnia


Post#21

No, in my case I had been socialised by my parents before I entered the school system and aversion therapy at school was not required. However, the same could not be said of many of my contempories attending school with me at that time.

Post # 22

My somatic age is 62 years.
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Calum Crubag,

25/05/2008 12:42:11
People need to think back to the chaos of the 60s and 70s. If belting was so effective, how did all this arise - hippies, punks, stikes, racial violence?

Schools today aren't any worse than they were in the 70s.

Again though. Should we use violence across the board? How about against adults? Why stop at 16 to give someone a good beating?

Also, look how fkd up the boarding and private school ex-pupils are! What a role model.
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Calum Crubag,

25/05/2008 12:44:34
Btw... im in schools on a daily basis. Primary schools especially are miles better than they were in the 70s. There are problems, in some places more than others, but is violence against kids the answer?
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Geekazoid,

willowbrae 25/05/2008 17:32:30
I don't know if the belt is the way forward, but teachers definitely NEED access to better and harder forms of punishment. The majority of pupils excluded from school WANT to be excluded, it adds to their image and gives them time off. But nobody wants the belt do they? I think something like this could solve a lot of problems in schools.
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Calum Crubag,

25/05/2008 19:20:01
#30 - well, most teachers don't want to use the belt, so it's not gonna return. How many folk really want to put their hands up as child beaters?

And, again, should we roll out this policy violence across societ as a whole. If you don't do as i sa, then i'll beat you up? And should the punishment be proportionate? i.e if kids get hit with a belt or cane - should adults who break the law get kneecapped? Should the police be allowed to kick fk out of anyone they catch dropping litter or driving while using a phone?

And, how do we trust that our cops and politicians are morally or legally superior to the rest of us?

Would love to hear some answers.
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celtic4,

USA 26/05/2008 03:19:31
Dear #31, Violence begets Violence and violence is never an answer. In a violent world there are no winners. Ask me, I live in a country where guns are allowed. Ugh.If they cannot buy one they will steal one. Or make one. It isn't good. And neither is belt punishment or biting, or kicking.
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Smasher,

26/05/2008 09:09:23
I blame the teachers, the parents, TV, computers, Hollyoaks, Margaret Thatcher, Chris Tarrant but mainly Grangehill. That's when it all started to go wrong. We have created young people who are unable to control their tempers or accept the word NO. Out of control children who know that they will be in the right no matter what they do. I hate todays weakling, asthma riden, moaning children and their hopeless, thicko parents. Everything in society seems to be aimed at pleasing them and they still claim that smashing things/people up is due to boredom. I'm glad I grew up when I did and that I'll be dead and burried before things get really out of control.

Don't know about bringing back the belt but I do know that they should stop letting idiots have children. We are reversing the evolution process and at the rate we are going. We should be crawling back into the sea in about 5 generations.
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Nuke Boy,

Canada 27/05/2008 01:01:07
I always feared the belt or cane,not because it hurt but the embarrasment of the enormous erection I would sprout while receiving my lashing :-)
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