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Published Date:
16 January 2008
HEARTS have submitted a formal planning application to City of Edinburgh Council for the £51million redevelopment of Tynecastle.
Proposals for the extensive regeneration project have been finalised and were lodged with the council's development department this morning, the Evening News can reveal.
LOOKING INTO THE FUTURE: This is the view Hearts fans  in the proposed new main stand can expect, and, inset, a bird's eye view of what Tynecastle  is likely to look like upon completion of the £51million redevelopment. The club have submitted a forma
LOOKING INTO THE FUTURE: This is the view Hearts fans in the proposed new main stand can expect, and, inset, a bird's eye view of what Tynecastle is likely to look like upon completion of the £51million redevelopment. The club have submitted a forma

Hearts intend to demolish their dilapidated main stand and construct a state-of-the-art replacement, bringing stadium capacity to around 23,000 by 2010

The new two-tier, 10,000-seat structure will incorporate administration offices, commercial office space, residential apartments and state-of-the-art conference and banqueting facilities. There will also be leisure facilities such as a hotel, bars, restaurants, a gymnasium and a new club store built on site.

The multi-million pound project will mostly be funded by Ukio Bankas Investment Group, Hearts' parent company which is owned by the club's majority shareholder, Vladimir Romanov. It is expected to create 250 new full-time jobs and 57 part-time opportunities.

Roman Romanov, chairman and acting chief executive at Tynecastle, said: "Today's submission of the planning application is a major step forward in realising our aim of providing a first-class football stadium in Scotland's capital city.

"Our plans will bring great benefits to both Hearts and the city of Edinburgh. As such, we are hopeful that our submission will be looked on favourably given the added value and economic benefit that it brings. In our mind, the result will undoubtedly lead to Edinburgh being home to one of the country's top football stadiums while also offering benefits to those that live and work in the surrounding area.

"We are very focused on delivering a truly spectacular development for our players, supporters, sponsors, partners and neighbours. The newly-developed stadium will ultimately lead to the creation of over 300 new jobs and provide an economic boost of at least £1.2 million per season to both the immediate area and the wider city economy."

The eye-catching development, shown in our exclusive Evening News pictures, should ensure Tynecastle becomes the fourth largest football stadium in Scotland as well as being fully compliant with all UEFA regulations for European competition.

Pedro Lopez, Hearts' deputy chief executive, has liaised with planning executives for the last 18 months over the new stand. Preliminary discussions with senior council officials have reached a satisfactory conclusion and Hearts' application will now be assessed before being passed to the council's executive committee for final authorisation.

The club remain hopeful that building work could begin later this year and have already canvassed supporters for their views on where the team should play during redevelopment. The options put forward by the club were: staying at Tynecastle and using the remaining three stands; moving to Murrayfield; renting Easter Road; renting Almondvale Stadium in Livingston or East End Park in Dunfermline.

The current main stand was built in 1914 and was designed by architect Archibald Leitch.



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  • Last Updated: 16 January 2008 11:45 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Heart of Midlothian FC
 
1

Graham Rix ate my hamster,

16/01/2008 11:52:42
Does not sound like a club going in to Administration.

The Hibs accountants will no doubt keep us right though.
2

Sunshine on Leith,

16/01/2008 11:55:21
I thought its more of ah eh,
PLAYERS ON THE PARK,
3

Sardonic Jambo,

16/01/2008 11:58:56
#2 eh?

hopefully this is a sign of a positive future for hearts, but i won't believe the project's going ahead until i see the new stand being built!

4

Mixu 6-2,

16/01/2008 12:03:40
Ha-ha-ha.........

gudjon THORDARSON WHO????????
The iceman cometh.....................
5

Mixu 6-2,

16/01/2008 12:04:47
I think the fairytale continue's.................
6

Conran,

Husref Musemic's twin brother 16/01/2008 12:04:49
IF this does all come together, I hope there is potential to expand the stadium further (as indicated in early reports).

We could certainly sell out the 23,000 against Hibs, Celtic and Rangers and it would be crazy if, with added season ticket allocation, we found ourself having to go through this whole process a few years down the line.
7

victor ian,

16/01/2008 12:08:27
watch out for the 14th they said.

hearts are going into administration they said. FACT.

looks like the end of another hobo myth, i say.

8

Crimbotoy,

16/01/2008 12:08:43
I don't believe it will happen!!
9

Iain Bhern,

16/01/2008 12:09:54
If it actually goes ahead then that's fine but I do hope that the plans to bring the stadium up to UEFA standard are over engineered i.e. that it will exceed the current criteria. Pardon the pun but football authorities have an awful habit of moving the goal posts. It would be an shame if millions are spent only to discover that the rules have changed and it no longer meets the UEFA standard. As for the old stand, I believe it is a listed building but there's no mention of that in the piece. That may yet prove to be a stumbling block.
10

Crimbotoy,

16/01/2008 12:10:35
Apart from above three games!!
is it a case of half empty stadium for all other games!!
11

hibs50,

København: Danmark. 16/01/2008 12:12:27
This can only be a good thing for Scottish football.
Seeing is believeing. I think Hearts should concentrate on getting a new manager at the moment and not your owners pipe dreams.

Looking v-much to the game at the weekend, should be a cracker.

I think Hibs will win this one, their new manager has given a huge lift to the Hibs pleyers.
12

Rolland,

16/01/2008 12:12:52
#10 indeed Hearts won't go into adminstration, its just another hobo dream.

Hope all the wee teamers are reading this thats a 51 Million pound stadium. Hopefully the wee hobo doubters will now crawl back under the rock they belong. It just shows you the difference in ambition between the clubs and the fans, says it all about the type of support attracted to each club really.

Now read it and weep, read it and weep hobos.
13

Ooh Ah Ginger God,

Lochend..home of the wee team. 16/01/2008 12:13:59
You know..what an absolute lot of tosh us Hearts fans are having to listen to...oh for a manager and some decent British players and to hell with a new stand.
Cant see it happening personally.
14

Lenny,

16/01/2008 12:14:10
51M for an extra 5k seats???? Do any Jambos really think this is worth it. What on earth will the debt be after this. And where is the money coming from?

15

victor ian,

16/01/2008 12:14:12
notice how the hobo end is kept out of shot for reasons of decency, even in a graphic.

16

Lenny,

16/01/2008 12:15:34
Rolland

Do you honestly think any Hibs fans are jealous of this? Very much mistaken if you do. You seem to think that the more debt you are in the bigger team you become. Odd!
17

Gorgie's Finest,

16/01/2008 12:15:49
#11
As far as we are led to believe the plans have been designed in such a way that Tynecastle will meet UEFA standards for all competitions. The plans have also been designed so a further extension may be added at a later date to increase capacity even further to 40,000. UBIG have already put the finance aside for this they estimate it would cost in total if they were to go ahead ater and increase to 40,000 a total of 120million, this obviosuly includes the 80million original debt
18

Crimbotoy,

16/01/2008 12:15:56
just another story before a big game!!
come on fans roll-up roll-up!!
19

Crimbotoy,

16/01/2008 12:18:02
20 why would they want a 40.000 seater stadium!!
hearts have got well under 20.000 fans!!
20

hibs50,

København.Danmark 16/01/2008 12:18:10
Can both sets of fans try to keep this forum decent and not the usual rubbish insulting remarks up-on each other.

21

GrahamL,

16/01/2008 12:18:13
#15, 17
"The multi-million pound project will mostly be funded by Ukio Bankas Investment Group"
Don't know how much "mostly" is, I'm sure someone can come up with an official number, but I would have expect the funding will be in proportion to the expected revenue. The Hearts website reckons they'll get an extra £2.25m p.a. in ticket sales from the expanded ground - presumably UBIG will get the revenue from the hotel/restaurant/residential bit.
22

Randan,

16/01/2008 12:19:00
#12 Average crowd at Tynie this season, even with all the turmoil is over 16,000. So you aint too good at maths.
More than the Hobos average too.
23

Chas Niceass,

16/01/2008 12:19:27
Another day of spin, counter spin and somewhere in between the reality then.
Those with the counter spin did say it would never get this far, so will now start producing the amateur accountancy cloak instead.
I dont think the path to this stadium will be smooth, not holding my breath, but, Hearts do appear to be well run these days football aside, so I'm more hopeful today.
According to Daily Express an Icelandic coach may be place in charged, didnt do so well in England, so doesnt fill me with optimism.
24

victor ian,

16/01/2008 12:19:51
even now after endless attempts to get them to understand, they can't grasp it.

all or part of the add-on aspects of this development will be sold off to make it worth while investing the £50M.

oh and by the way, it's by no means certain that the £50M will be put down against hearts name. even if it is, IT DOESN'T MATTER. the club is a subsidiary of ubig in effect.

if anyone thinks someone will lend ubig £50M for them to take all the profits and leave a bad debt behind which can't be paid.......

you need help, FAST.

25

Gorgie Forever,

16/01/2008 12:20:45
Have we sold out every game this season?

The answer is no and attendances seem to be dropping a bit so why is a stadium expansion top of the agenda in the most critical month in the season? Not that I object to the idea but that is a staggering amount of money to spend on a fairly small stand is it not? I was joking with a guy at work today that we should expect a stadium anouncement as there was no news on a manager.

Were is the scarlet pimpernel Lopez? Useless tw*t!
26

Gorgie's Finest,

16/01/2008 12:21:25
#17
Another sad hobo, where do you think the money is coming from? from UBIG investment. What a lot of people in particlarly those of a hobo persuassion fail to see is this is not seen as a debt, this is an INVESTMENT. which in turn will yield a profit. Something our little team friends fail to realise.

Did you say the same or feel the same when Rangers announced last week it would cost 700million to redevelop Ibrox, What about the cost to celtic when they redeveloped parkhead, the sfa when they did hampden. and since it was brought up about only 5k seats etc, what about aberdeens plans to relocate and spend 50million+ on a new stadium which will only have the same capacity as their present stadium.
27

Silence of the Yams,

16/01/2008 12:21:28
Yam debt to be 80m for another 5k seats!?! Ripemov is only worth 200m, and that is on paper only.



Tick tock!
28

Lenny,

16/01/2008 12:23:33
# 24 Grahaml

Good to see a Jambo is at least taking an interest. The average Jambo doesnt seem to care where the money comes from or how it will be repaid, as long as they can get one up on Hibs. Could be very very expensive point scoring.
29

Rolland,

16/01/2008 12:23:58
#19 Lenny, obviously you are, green with envy I would say. All the hobos are spewing over this they said it would never happen. We've put up with the hobo myths for far to long now. Little insignifcant team of no hopers that bolt to the old firm at the first chance, who's going after Murphy lads... fletcher.... or has the "talent" dried up. A few barn years for you lot won't go amiss. Whilst we perform to crowds of 23K every week.

Great timing giving everyone a boost ahead of Saturday, that is everyone with a Tynecastle connection, hope the hobos have another nightmare week getting shoved about the public parks they use for training. Small team, small fan base, small stadium, small time, small ambiotion.
30

Capital,

near gorgie 16/01/2008 12:24:35
Well thats the next step in place.
2010 seems a long way away, is this in anticipation of problems? On the playing side, which must be part of the master plan, further delay is not acceptable. Manager and quality players required now. Still a bit concerned about pre accounts good news. Dare I say it, I think a defeat on Sat may speed things up. Hearts victory and to many supporters-Happy days are here again. Even a draw might get things moving.
31

Lionheart Fodithman,

office 16/01/2008 12:24:42
question for all hobo,s worrying about us boys filling the stadium.
1.how many Hearts supporters watched the famous semi-final in the cup.You no lads,the 4-0 drubbing.
2.how many Hearts supporters made it through to the final.
32

victor ian,

16/01/2008 12:25:07
big dog the hobo, you're just cut & pasting your posts from earlier.

tut tut.

33

Grimsby Hibee,

In the Dam 16/01/2008 12:25:35
# 21 Got to agree, smokescreen in case they get stuffed on Saturday
34

Jam Tarts 1874,

On the Rebound 16/01/2008 12:25:55
#15. What a complete and utter idiot you are!

How could the council have rejected the plans when they have only been officially submitted today?

The hobos can only dream of being able to build this kind of development and no doubt the bitterness and jealousy of the hobos will fill many of the postings on here today.

Hearts have been in consultation with the Council since August before submitting the full plans, therefore it is sensible to assume that the Council are ready to give this the green light very quickly.

Are we not supposed to be taken to court today for not paying an electricity bill? lol!
35

Lenny,

16/01/2008 12:26:00
# 30 Gorgies Finest

What a complete d#ck you are. The reason I asked was becouse I didnt know. Thats good though, cause obviously if UBIG are paying it it can just go to the debt which will never need paid off.
36

The Duck,

Edinburgh 16/01/2008 12:26:50
Is it just me or is this old news.

I hate to admit it but the filth from the East were right. Hearts struggling on the pitch and fans begin to doubt Romanov, so lets bring up the stadium plans. I will believe this stand when I see it.

Are these deliberate plans to smoke screen the real problems at Hearts or and the board and Management team so ******** stupid that they are concentrating on this rather than finding a propper manager and then concentrating on shipping out the trash at the club and getting in some decent players and all in the next 15 days!!!!!

A new stand is useless without people to sit in it. football fans a fickle and crowd numbers have already began to plumit this season with the tripe they are forced to watch.

GET A MANAGER GET THE TEAM SORTED, GET SOME SUCCESS AGAIN THEN THINK ABOUT A STAND, ITS NOT ROCK SCIENCE!!!!
37

Iain Bhern,

16/01/2008 12:26:59
#20 as I said though UEFA are forever changing things. Crowd capacity isn't the problem it's the pitch. Surely it's within the plans to increase the size of the pitch to at least the minimum required at the moment with room available to increase it further at a later date if need be.
38

hearts01,

16/01/2008 12:27:11
Good news but there will be a few twists and turns before the stand is built, most probably. But seriously where are we getting the money from?? We are already 40 million in debt and adding another 51 million to that sum seems crazy to me. Oh well, Romanov must know what he is doing, well so you would think.

Anyway, this Icelandic dude - guided Stoke to the Championship but then had unsuccessful spells with both Notts County and Barnsley.Not exactly the first - class manager many of us were hoping for.
39

Lenny,

16/01/2008 12:28:01
Rolland,

yeah Im green with envy. I really wish my team were 2nd bottom of the league and planning to go a further 51 Million in debt.

Planet earth mate eh. Give it a try.

the only thing big about Hearts is the debt.
40

Jam Tarts 1874,

On the Rebound 16/01/2008 12:29:20
Just a quick note to all the envious hobos out there who will not doubt try and claim that we cannot fill a 23,000 stadium.

57k at Murrayfield against Barcelona, even if as claimed all you hobos were there, that still leaves 50k going along to watch Hearts. I can't recall seeing too many hobos with Barca shirts on that day, I did however see a sea of maroon.

C'mon the Jambos!
41

victor ian,

16/01/2008 12:29:58
lenny, it's quite simple. ubig are having to borrow the money for this. who on earth would lend them it if the debt was left with hearts to deal with, which they patently couldn't do on their own?

ubig will ultimately be responsible for repaying this loan.

42

Gorgie Forever,

16/01/2008 12:30:04
#35

It'll be cold day in hell before I get stuffed by a Hibbee, but thanks for the offer (I think)!
43

Gorgie's Finest,

16/01/2008 12:30:39
#31
where do you get your figures from? your just another example of the hobo mind, full of myths and wishfull thinking. 3 years ago the financial times reported when they interviewed vlad they estimated his PERSONAL wealth to be in excess of 500million. a year later the BBC reprted he was finalising a deal which could see is personal assets exceed 1billion. Remember that is Vlads personal wealth and assets and not that of the UBIG Investment group which is much more

I suggest you do what we keep telling you lot to do, try reporting actual facts not myths, fantasies or personal opinions it does your arguments no credibility at all.
44

Jam Tarts 1874,

On the Rebound 16/01/2008 12:30:44
#47. Right on cue! lol!

The redevelopment of your East Stand always has been and always will be a complete myth. You don't have enough players left to sell to fund it.
45

Tam Weea,

Edinburgh 16/01/2008 12:32:34
#39 - a smokescreen in case we get beat? I can just see it now.......

Vlad to Roman in 2006 'Rodders, I want you to pay a firm of architects a large fee to design a new stand and hotel complex, agree to buy land off the cooncil for £6m, hold talks with Tynie High school and agree to build a new nursery, canvass 6,000 fans on where they would prefer to play during construction and submit a detailed planning application please'.

Roman to Vlad 'No bother pops, is the new stand going ahead then?'

Vlad replies 'Dinnae be daft son, we are playing hibs two years on Saturday and I want all this in place beforehand as a smokescreen in case we get beat'.

Yup, happens all the time.
46

Chas Niceass,

16/01/2008 12:32:53
From where I'm standing this is very much a case of speculate to accumulate.
The idea surely is to put multiple businesses in place in a very desirable area, some may laugh and pour scorn on this but it is very much the case, 1 mile from Edinburgh city centre.
The apartments alone will not be sold to people who have normal jobs, they will be worth quite a bit, let alone the hotel, usually a license to print money.
Romanov is preparing to sell the whole thing off knowing a football club alone is no lure for many.
Of course they will run a debt but with the PACKAGE Heart of Midlothian FC will look a far better investment for someone out there, with an extremely loyal and passionate fan base, no one can refute that, then someone has on oppurtunity.
IF is a big word and it is a big IF, it all comes off then the future may be more assured for all of us here who have to listen to the taunts.
BTW congrats on more daylight robbery, £2.5 mill for Murphy?
47

Chas Niceass,

16/01/2008 12:33:18
From where I'm standing this is very much a case of speculate to accumulate.
The idea surely is to put multiple businesses in place in a very desirable area, some may laugh and pour scorn on this but it is very much the case, 1 mile from Edinburgh city centre.
The apartments alone will not be sold to people who have normal jobs, they will be worth quite a bit, let alone the hotel, usually a license to print money.
Romanov is preparing to sell the whole thing off knowing a football club alone is no lure for many.
Of course they will run a debt but with the PACKAGE Heart of Midlothian FC will look a far better investment for someone out there, with an extremely loyal and passionate fan base, no one can refute that, then someone has on oppurtunity.
IF is a big word and it is a big IF, it all comes off then the future may be more assured for all of us here who have to listen to the taunts.
BTW congrats on more daylight robbery, £2.5 mill for Murphy?
48

Gorgie's Finest,

16/01/2008 12:33:47
#47
Hibs will never see their new stand. How many years has it gone on for now? farmer and Petrie will not spend money on you or the stadium. get used to it just as you should be used to them selling all your players for their own personal gain. Nice house Petrie has just bought by the way ;-)
49

Jambo83,

On floor laughing @ 16/01/2008 12:35:26
Posts 2,5,6,8,15,31,32. What a bunch of sad individuals, keep it up, it gives me something to smile about at work.

Excellent news, if the council approve it.

The official press release by Hearts says it will mostly be financed by UBIG but that is not enough for the resident Hibs fans. Would you like Hearts/UBIG to give you full financial details?? Get a life and grow up.

Looking forward to Saturday, why are Hibs fans so sure they are going to beat us? We have played well the last 2 games, regardless of what you think, I was at the games so I know what i'm talking about.

Have a nice day y'all.

P.S Leonard, don't be reduced to name-calling, I thought you were above that.
50

victor ian,

16/01/2008 12:35:34
hibs had better get a move on with their alleged new stand by the way.

leave it too long and your planning consent expires, with no chance of getting it again.

and that my hobo friends IS a fact.

51

victor ian,

16/01/2008 12:37:11
#61 hope so then, tick tock.

52

Pedantic_Hibee,

16/01/2008 12:37:33
A £51million pound stand is not debt, it's an investment says #30.........

O................k.

So if I get a house that costs £500k, that's not really a debt, it's an investment ?

I hate to spell it out to you, sunshine, but if you get a £51m stand, you have to pay for it. UBIG might fund it, but don't you think they'll want to recoup that money from Hearts ? No, no of course not eh, why would they do that.

They're a big cuddly company UBIG, they just hand out £51m stands to any club they pick out of a hat for free.

And Rolland, give yourself a shake. Big team with big ambitions ? There's a fine line between ambition and stupidity. Throwing £10,000 a week at a player doesn't make you a big club. It's a small club living outwith its means.

You haven't got "resources". What you have is a bank/owner who is stupidly sanctioning these deals. Funnily enough, they're the ones that you pay the money back. With interest.
53

Tam Weea,

Edinburgh 16/01/2008 12:37:38
#57 - correct.

Hearts have openly stated that they will build a new stand.

Hibs have openly stated that they might, maybe, if supply demands, think about the feasibility of building a new stand, if the financials stack up.

But guess which one the Hibbies think will get built?
54

Leithboy,

16/01/2008 12:39:57
why dont Heart of Lithuania move to Lithuania.Given they have no money or reasonable players this would kill 2 birds with one stone.
They could use Kaunus existing stadia have all their players training with Kaunus have their pick of the litter and play team's of their own standard in a league they might be able to compete in rather than continue to embarrass scottish football.
They could then work on trying to clear their debt over 50 years and hey the supporters are so gullable they wouldent think twice about emigrating so they could watch them week in week out.

GGTTH
55

1875 true,

16/01/2008 12:40:02
LOL 3days before a derby mmm this stinks.
56

Chas Niceass,

16/01/2008 12:40:12
#60 No. Do you think Romanov has made so much money by chucking it out the window?
He may not care about Hearts, then again he might, but I doubt it, but he certainly cares an awful lot about his wallet.
57

hibbydoug,

edinburgh 16/01/2008 12:40:51
Did i not read somewhere that Hearts had not submited the accounts for last year yet? tick tock yer going like northern rock!.
58

GrahamL,

16/01/2008 12:41:40
It's going to be a long afternoon on this board isn't it?

Ultimately, there's not that much exciting progress here, they've handed in the paperwork and built a rather natty model of the ground. Beyond that, no money spent, nothing concrete decided. So while it does suggest long term commitment, I'm not going to believe it until something more tangible happens.

We do need a bigger, better ground. If we're going to keep up with Vlads aims - which are very, very different to reality right now. Very different. If we're going to languish at the bottom of the SPL we're not going to get 23,000 fans in. Again, this could be seen as some evidence that Vlad intends to get things in order on the pitch. Maybe.

And the money, of course, the money. The majority of it is coming from UBIG - that's right there in the story, I see no reason to doubt that. How much comes from Hearts? No idea. Are UBIG going to lend all the money to Hearts to build it, then squirrel away all the profit leaving Hearts £90m in debt? I say no, and I think that would be illegal. But there's plenty Hibeeconomists who will doubt that.

So all that's changed is that the question "whur's the planning application for yur new ston gon?" has turned to "how are youse gonny afford yur new ston?"
59

Tam Weea,

Edinburgh 16/01/2008 12:42:00
Pedantic Hibee, sorry to be, er, pedantic but you are way wide of the mark.

1. It's not a £51m stand.
2. Hearts are part of UBIG.
3. A 500k house is most certainly an investment in this city.
4. A 500k house which people have to pay to visit is even more of an investment.

Still, at least you were the first to wear the green and first, er, I mean second (in Scotland) to have floodlights.
60

Roscoe P Coltrane,

16/01/2008 12:42:36
Ah, nice to see so many of my fellow finance professionals on the boards today!

Pedantic - the true answer is somewhere in between, it's a debt-backed investment. Although the scale is somewhat different, it's the same as the Glazers buying into MU or Statler & Waldorf buying out Liverpool - both clubs are now in massive, massive debt when they were relatively debt-free before, but do you think either would have gone ahead if the agitators didn't think they'd make a lot of money?

I'll still only believe it when I see the work starting though............
61

Rolland,

16/01/2008 12:43:00
#47 an old shed for milking cows and its a "state of the art training centre", does the hobo myths hold no bounds. Get out to Herriot Watt and see a proper state of the art training centre where players can enjoy unitterrupted training sessions.

Jumpers for goals posts with you lot.
62

Pedantic_Hibee,

16/01/2008 12:45:16
#71

Aye, but do you not have to pay for that 500k house ? Or do the estate agents do that for me as they see it as an investment themselves ?

Do they just let me live in it mortgage free until they decide to sell it on for a profit ?

Of course not.
63

Chas Niceass,

16/01/2008 12:45:49
Has any Hibs person/thing, got anything positive to say about a multi million complex, yes thats complex, being built in Edinburgh?
By not acknowledging this indeed could be sold as a package later, as a viable going concern all you serve to do is make yourselves look ignorant.
64

victor ian,

16/01/2008 12:46:58
#69, yeah you probably did read that somewhere, probably he same place you read the drivel about us going into administration.

hobo-bounce and hobo.net, both are factories of fiction.

look hobos, i understand that you're disappointed with the news today. you don't have to dredge up all the tired old conspiracy theories, you could simply hide away like you did on the day of the semi final in 2006.

empty computer terminal costumes all round for the hobos.
65

Gorgie's Finest,

16/01/2008 12:47:51
#63
So property or a business is not an investment. Better explain that to all the prperty developers out there or to barret homes or wimpey homes.

Erse!!!!!!!!!!!
66

Keebo,

16/01/2008 12:48:17
#64
Hearts have openly stated that they will build a new stand.

The same Hearts who promised the Champions League, never being beaten 5 0 by anyone, 2 World Cup players, A manager with full responsibilities (OK I lied on this one). Your owner has promised a lot but delivered very little. Lets just wait and see !!
67

Silence of the Yams,

16/01/2008 12:49:49
79. Give him time, he might deliver the first division title in 09.
68

victor ian,

16/01/2008 12:51:18
that's another reason why the graphic depicts a view away from the school end stand. if they showed it, they would have had to have left it empty.

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Pedantic_Hibee,

16/01/2008 12:51:29
#72

A voice of reason. Thank you.

I see what you're saying. But with Liverpool and Man United, the amount of money they get paid simply for being in the Premiership alone dwarfs the annual turnover of the ten SPL clubs outwith the Old Firm combined.

Add on your gate receipts and other assorted revenues and that's less of a "risk" shall we say.

At any club in Scotland (maybe excluding the Old Firm) that business model will not work. And I include Hibs in that. This country is too small, our top league is not glamorous enough and our gate receipts and other assorted income is simply not enough to finance/repay an "investment" of that magnitude.

I'm not deliberately setting out to rile folk here, I'm just getting the point across. Will this development not hamper the money spent on the park given that most of the income received from Hearts will go some way to paying this stand off ?

At present, or at least, the last everyone was aware of, Hearts annual turnover was eaten up solely on staff costs (wages).

I realise there has been changes in personnel and it looks like some of the high earners are off the payroll now but it still doesn't sound feasible.

Hearts are different to most in that the company they own money to, also owns Hearts. Most other clubs are owed to a 3rd party (i.e a bank) so closure is nigh on impossible at Tynie.

Speculate to accumulate is an admirable stance (one I'm not used to with Hibs of course) but as I say, there's ambition and there is stupidity and there's a fine line separating both.
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GrahamL,

16/01/2008 12:51:44
And the award for the most confused analogy of the year goes to : Pendantic_Hibee

The estate agents own the house??
The estate agents let you live in it mortgage free?

What are you talking about man?

You get a loan, buy a property with it. You own the property and owe money to someone else. I don't quite see the relevance to this deal but still - it's be nice to get the basics of "how to buy a house" sorted first.
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Chas Niceass,

16/01/2008 12:52:25
#68 Really. Appears Ken Bates shifted the club rather easily and made a tidy profit then.
Ok, its official Hibs fans dont want to be like Chelsea then!
I forgot you were the Arsenal of the North!!!!!!!
72

Keebo,

16/01/2008 12:52:40
#77

Property is an investment but only to those who own it. If you can make money from it (ie rental etc) or sell it in the future for a profit then it is an investment. You will not own it.
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Rambo_the_Jambo,

Edinburgh 16/01/2008 12:53:48
# 63 Pedantic_Hibee,

You say....'So if I get a house that costs £500k, that's not really a debt, it's an investment'

You are correct, it is an investment, regardless of the amount. You would sell it on in the future for more than you paid for it. You have contradicted yourself.

Property and investment does not equal debt. If you build facilities from scratch on empty ground, regardless of how much it costs, the money you borrow to pay for it then becomes two things, an asset AND and investment.

Makes sense when you look at it without an anti-Hearts bias??
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Pedantic_Hibee,

16/01/2008 12:53:49
#77

Yes, and what do they do with their investment ?

They get the money back.

So if UBIG invest in a new stand, they get the money back. From Hearts.

Simple. Although not that simple to you, evidently.
75

Hibernianinc,

16/01/2008 12:54:51
Ok, a few thoughts on this.

It's a planning proposal. It's possible that the council will reject it (accepting the council is a jambo enclave). If so, what's Plan B?

This is a money making exercise. Assuming it's funded from investment equity rather than borrowing, there'd be a need to deliver between 50-100% return over a 15 year span, with a ROI (return on investment) within half that time. Rounding down, this stand needs to produce £7m a year clear, post-tax profit.

I don't know what the business plan looks like, but if you assume 23k supporters turning up 20 times a year at an average cost of £25 a seat, that's £11m pre-costs. No-where near enough to make money let alone break-even. Yes there'll be add-ons from hotel and function income, but like at Man U and Chelsea, I'd start to wonder how much my Season Ticket is going to cost.

I may be seen as a doom and gloomer "hobo" putting a downer on these fine plans, but if I were a herts supporter I'd be much more excited if Vlad got a manager in.
76

hibbyspurs,

suspicious 16/01/2008 12:55:23
Well, well another day another story on the hearts stadium.........

OK lets get started then... First off if I was a Hearts fan I would naturally be deligthed about a story such as this at first glance. A planning application submitted for a new stand is something for them to be hopeful of.

However, can I as a "hobo" ask some relevant questions without merley being subjected to a tirade of abuse because it raises questions you dont want to hear?

1. A planning application is just that "an application" even if granted in full there is no requirement for the orginastion submitting the application to carry out the work. So you cant dismiss "smokescreen" out of hand?

2. Do you honestly feel that an extra 5,000 seats is wirth £51m, whoever carries the price of it?

3. Can someone tell me how HOMFC plant to increase the capacity to 40K when Tynecastle is still surrounded by tenaments etc?

4. Dont you think your clubs owners would be far better off getting a half decent manager in place, investing in your playing squad (after all the table does not lie!) than frittering away millions on a potential white elephant?

5. As Hearts fans can you honestly sit there and feel comfartable about the possibility of your club going so far into the red that no rescue package could be funded if the solids really did hit the fan? (please bear in mind that if Romanov walks away there is a better than good chance that UBIG will call in the debts)

I never entered into believing the administration "myth" as I thought it was just that, however I've said it before & I'll say it again now, Hibs without Hearts is a bit like Fish without Chips & I have a genuine worry that something really terrible awaits your club, Relegation for youse would be hilarious but I can honestly say that IMO extiction would be a sad day for Scottish football. I hope I'm wrong.
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Rambo_the_Jambo,

Edinburgh 16/01/2008 12:56:22
# 80 The Moth,Petrie's Wallet

Well said. The actual financial mechanics of property investment seems to escape even the most intelligent of Hibbys, a few excepted.

Property, investment, future profits.
78

Barberolli,

16/01/2008 12:57:39
for F U C K S sake, all you morons that are crying about
"another 51m in debt" get a grip.... The plans contain a hotel (which depending on size would be sold for app.
30-40 mil) bars and restaurants ( which could command anywhere between 3-10 mil depending on size ) commercial office space- retail outlets ( either sold or leased ) so actually hearts could almosr recoup the investment before a balls kicked in front of the new stand.. administration my anus... Romanovs' no fool when it comes to business.. football however is a different matter....
79

Lenny,

16/01/2008 12:59:46
Jambo83

Was mearly responding to being called a Sad Hobo dude.
80

Grimsby Hibee,

In the Dam 16/01/2008 13:00:17
My advice and I have worked in finance and the banking industry most of my life, is learn to count.

Here is how a typical business works e.g. a bank only this last 12 months (ok not a football club but a business is a business, can't name this one but it exists unlike your 51 million pound stand at the moment).

Share price feb 07 - 130p. Shares in circulation 142 million give or take. Market capitalisation 142 x 130 = 185 million roughly.

A period of bad investment and speculation ensued throughout the year.

Share price today 29p. Market capitalisation 142 x 29p = 41 million roughly.

Work the rest out! Jeez wheres the cash coming from? Are we sure Vlad's last name ain't Trotter?
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hibbyspurs,

16/01/2008 13:01:16
#73

You refer to Heriot - Watt training ground, I personally worked in this development and would agree that is a fantastic centre.

However please bear in mind one thing, Hibs own their new complex, Hearts are merley tennants of HWU on a long term lease. The fact is that Riccarton is not yours and never will be, you pay a rental on it. I know where I'd rather be.
82

Iain Bhern,

16/01/2008 13:01:53
#56 Chas Niceass, the apartments won't be sold to anyone who has half a brain. No one in their right mind is going to buy an apartment that's within a football stadium with all the disruption it entails every time there's a game on. 40,000 people screaming their heads off right next door, parking problems on match days, litter everywhere after the game and being a virtual prisoner in your own home for three hours. The more likely and to my mind sensible option would be to rent the apartments out to the clubs players. Of course we don't know how many flats will be available, probably not that many! Just had a thought actually, Vlad is bringing a Hibee prophecy to reality. There will be flats built at Tynecastle, just not as many as we thought.
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Gorgie's Finest,

16/01/2008 13:02:08
To put aside all you hibs fans worrries that this will be rejected. I stated on another post the reason it had taken so long to be put forward as quoted by charlie mann is because hearts and the council have been in constant consultation over the plans, and the delay in applying was because they did not want it either rejected or having to re-sub,it due to council wanting changes. According to Charlie mann when the application is submitted it is expected to be approved virtually immediately.

To explain it simply for those not getting to terms with this.

its the same as asking your maths teacher for the answer to a question in a test before you submit you test paper.
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hibee4life,

16/01/2008 13:03:43
and so the hearts fairytale continues

all have 2 say at this is HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
85

Tam Weea,

Edinburgh 16/01/2008 13:04:51
Grimsby Hibee - at least you are now beginning to accept it's not a smokescreen in case hibs win their 4th derby at Tynie in 25 years!

The cash is coming from UBIG, which just so happen to be an investment group - the clue is in the name, they invest in projects and hope to make a profit. They have assets somewhere in the region of £500m so I suppose that means they ain't too bad at it.
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WE ARE WE ARE WE ARE THE HEARTS,

16/01/2008 13:05:01
93 - Obviously your finance skills are not in very much use here - you will know the first thing that must be done in finance is check ALL of the numbers - clearly you are not privvy to this so have no idea over where the cash is coming from.

So I hope you enjoy seeing another £3 million coming into Fester Road this january with nothing be re-invested by 'sir' Tom!!
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Jambo Forever,

Gorgie 16/01/2008 13:06:15
OK we may be managerless, we may be having a bad season and we may be in debt. But we have been there before.

You may be well run, you may be having a better season and have a shiny new training ground, but we’ll always be a bigger club and always have and always will, win more.

Cmon the hearts…
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Mixu 6-2,

16/01/2008 13:06:17
Nice to see a hundred posts at this time of day..........
You lot are easely fooled.......

Ha-ha-ha.............
89

WE ARE WE ARE WE ARE THE HEARTS,

16/01/2008 13:06:18
94 - Incorrect - if you would care to have a look at the deeds at the land registry - you total hobo!
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Gorgie's Finest,

16/01/2008 13:06:32
#97
Hi Moth, spot on m8, as i said earlier UBIG have already made plans for this and the finance is in place they estimate it would increase the INVESTMENT to an overall 120million.
91

Silence of the Yams,

16/01/2008 13:06:35
91. Who'd want to stay at the Hotel Vald Gurgie? Jakeys? Is a B&B/doss house for DSS and immigrant riff raff?
92

hibbyspurs,

16/01/2008 13:07:25
#97

I'll take that answer at face value, albeit with a large dose of salt....
93

Gorgie's Finest,

16/01/2008 13:07:48
#102
If only there were as many hobos as there are posts here attend hibs matches.
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Mighty Hibees,

Edinburgh 16/01/2008 13:08:19
A quick question for the Hearts Supporters.

The article says the development will mostly be funded by Ukio Bankas Investment Group.

As UBIG will be financing the hotel, bars etc. Will the club see any revenue from the them? Or will the only increase in revenue for the club be from the increased sales of tickets?

Anyone any idea?

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Trent Steel,

16/01/2008 13:09:03
I'm no lover of Hearts - they are almost on par with Rangers as the most odious fans in scottish football - but I have to say, that in this instance, having a hotel at the stadium could work very well for Hearts due to Tynecastles their proximity to Edinburgh City Centre. These things have been dubious investments in the past, it didnt work for Chelsea and it wont work for Rangers, not would it for Celtic. Nor would it for Murrayfield as its maybe just that bit further out.

Could it be that hearts use the only thing they have going for them as a success. lets hope so, their utter failure to present themselves as any sort of credible force in Scottish football for more than a few months at a time is tedious. Lets hope they manage to do something right for a change!
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Rolland,

16/01/2008 13:09:48
Looking at the lack of comments on the hobos story I would say they are all over hear running scared.

Well Hobo's read it and weep, read it and weep, Vlads here for the long haul and you lot are sick to your back teeth. Boom Boom !! Roll on Saturday, when you'll crawl out of your rock for 20 minutes and quickly run away again.
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victor ian,

16/01/2008 13:10:05
a couple of jealous hobos have stumbled over a valid point. in order to justify the extra seats and the investment as a whole, they have to get people to fill the seats. not rocket science.

what do you think then guys? do you not think they would have thought of this already?

i have no idea what their shorter term plans are for the team and management situation but i'm certain romanov knows that he needs to get stability and put a far better product on the pitch in order for the fans to fill the stadium.

it might not happen right away because the thing isn't built yet. lots of fans may well ditch their season tickets next season, but they WILL come back is the right product is supplied.

IF YOU BUILD IT....... WE WILL COME (so to speak).

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Gorgie's Finest,

16/01/2008 13:11:16
#108
Yes The intended profits from the hotel and the developments are to be used so as quoted "HMFC can TRADE their way out of debt"

So simple answer Hearts will see the profits from this.
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Iain Bhern,

16/01/2008 13:11:20
#93 I don't think it's rocket science to work out which bank you refer too. Just yesterday an investor of a well known bank told how his shares were worth thousands last year and now they count in mere hundreds! UBIG are not immune from the current world financial postition and are also in the position that profits are decreasing at some of the companies they own because raw materials prices are going through the roof whilst their products sales decline because of the current financial downturn.
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Around the Funnel,

16/01/2008 13:11:38
No doubt I'm wasting my time here as most Hibbees have their own agenda but the stand is almost an irrelevance here. A bank/investment company has seen an opportunity to invest £51m in a property/hotel/commercial development in a city with a lack of housing and hotel capacity. Based on their track record this will almost certainly bring vast profits.

The fact that Hearts will gain a new stand out of this is a huge bonus but if UBIG want to gain the profit from the property development then they would need to be the main owner and therefore fund the project.

While I will, like most Hearts fans, wait to see it happen before I really belive it, an awful lot of money has been spent to get things to this stage and rest assured that very detailed discussions with the planners have already taken place.
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GrahamL,

16/01/2008 13:15:30
#108 - as I said at #24
We don't actually know how it'll be split - opening up a myriad of conspiracy theories, naturally.
I would expect that the actual stand (i.e. the seating area and associated football related outlets - club shop, corporate entertainment) would be Hearts' property and they would take the revenue from that. The rest hotels, shops etc will be UBIGs and they'll take revenue or sell as appropriate.
It would then make sense for the total cost to be split between the two parties in proportion to the expect revenues.
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Gorgie's Finest,

16/01/2008 13:15:50
#113
Do you know what some of UBIG's investment companies are? Those very companies that produce your raw materials.So while profits may drop in some aspects of the group profits will rise to counter this in other areas. As you say raw material prices are rocketing.
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victor ian,

16/01/2008 13:15:55
#114, yes that's the problem with some cynics. they seem to conveniently gloss over the fact that hearts have been in constant consultation with the council, even to get to this stage.

some of these people seem to think a planning application for a project of this size comes as a complete surprise to the council.

it does not.

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Grimsby Hibee,

In the Dam 16/01/2008 13:16:36
Believe what you want, but even if I was not a Hibee, I would not put my hard earned cash into a purely speculative plan.

Has anybody looked into the risk management? I have never heard so much b*ll*x about a business venture.

What happens if it all goes t*ts up?

Where do the potential investors get their money back?

How soon do they have to wait on a return for their investment?

You lot seem to think that people or investment groups - because they have lots of finance behind them - will simply say yeah mate.

Again where is the risk analysis??
105

GrahamL,

16/01/2008 13:17:19
#112 I missed that quote - where did that come from?
106

RangersThroughAndThrough,

Scotland 16/01/2008 13:17:19
A very positive move for Hearts. With the development of Hibs training facilities, the Edniburgh clubs are at least showing some vision. This can only be good for Scottish Football as a whole.

Have those people that doubt the plans considered how expensive it must be to put such a planning proposal forward.
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Another voice,

16/01/2008 13:18:20
After looking at this new stand development proposal up close i do have to say it just doesn't add up.

£51m for an extra 5000 seats. Hearts will not own any part of the hotels, bars etc. Nor would i imagine that they will be able to pay the interest on the debt let alone actually finance the loan.

The manager announcement kept vlad puppets on these threads and in the hearts support quiet and stopped the protests, however this is just another smokescreen.

Why two years to build a stand? These things can be built in around six months. How much is it going to cost to hire murryfield for two year?

There are a lot of hearts fans who should be very ashamed supporting romanov. When the club dies you will be the first to wail!
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Silence of the Yams,

16/01/2008 13:19:31
No Yams are addressing the point that Gurgie is not a good place for a luxury Hotel. Why should anyone stay there, amongst filth, grime, rodents and beer hops, instead of the established, better situated hotels?
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scorchio,

kirkcaldy 16/01/2008 13:19:39
Another BIG story coming out of Tynecastle and the Hibbies are in melt down. I reckon the Newhaven sewage plant will burn out by midnight due to all these Hibbie's shitt*ng themselves.
If we are in such dire straights, why oh why are you planks getting all hot and bothered. Away and read about all the creative developments happening at Easter Road.
This announcement was expected by Hearts fans, we just take it in our stride, we are the BIG club in town, we are the Life and Soul of Edinburgh.
Away an lie in yir pi*h.
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GrahamL,

16/01/2008 13:20:31
#118 I'm guessing here, but I suspect the answer to most of your questions is "UBIG"

"where is the risk analysis?" In vlads filing cabinet?
What exactly are you questioning here? That vlad will lose money on this? He's not a stupid man, if it goes ahead, he will be confident it will be profitable.
111

We love fitba,

16/01/2008 13:21:29
Well that's got all the posters out, rehashing the same old arguments. The strange thing is that the Jambos are saying the same things they were 2 years ago, despite all that has happened since.

One thing hasn't changed in that time, tho... whichever way you cut it, the Romanov masterplan just doesn't seem to add up.
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Gorgie's Finest,

16/01/2008 13:21:38
#118
As stupid as this may sound to you, do you think the millions that have already been spent and the millions about to spent are being done without a business plan or without any risk assesment having been done. This isnt a small company starting out on its first venture. Have you any idea how syupid that post was to ask those questions?

#120
good post and nice to see not everyone is of the same mentality as those down easter road way. You hit the nail on the head its something we have tried telling many people for a long time, the shear cost of the planning and the applications alone is huge and thats before a brick has been put in place
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Go Gorgie Dalry,

16/01/2008 13:22:31
#89 There are only tenements behind the Gorgie Road end. There is nothing behind the Wheatfield Stand apart from grass pitch which is owned by the Brewery. Behind the Roseburn Stand is the School which is moving across the road, Hearts have already looked into buying the land (I think).

If Hearts bought both bits of land they would be able to build much bigger stands.
114

Darren :-),

on ma way to ibrox 16/01/2008 13:24:48
aint he selling the ground to make tesco and houses there?
115

busbyfh,

16/01/2008 13:24:51
Even by recent standards there are an inordinant amount of FFFHibees on here today.Many times have I said that FFFHibees are totally obsessed by all things Hearts. It comes from an inferiority complex the same as many teenage boys have with their fathers as they go through a period of life where they want to be better than their so called "superior" but cannot see where or when that will happen.Frustration sets in , usually followed by pent up angst insecurities and a lack of self esteem.
Ring any bells FFFHibees ??

To still be averaging over 16k crowds after two diabolical years of media coverage (deserved in cases)and top management stupidity due to dreadful communications etc. I reckon it proves that a decent Hearts team actually needs a bigger stadium rather than the negative "wee crowds" tripe.

I will believe though - WHEN THE BUILDING OF THE STAND COMMENCES.

IF everything goes to plan (Big IF) boy there are going to be a load of folk eating a specific type of pie.(and I don't mean hairy)

Didn't know that Cary Grant built football stadia as well as acting.

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Grimsby Hibee,

In the Dam 16/01/2008 13:26:14
I really hope he does it for you guys because if it goes wrong, you will be in a world of hurt.

Personally I wouldn't trust that bloke with my kiddies piggy bank.
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Pedantic,

Edinburgh 16/01/2008 13:26:15
To those stating that this is a complete waste of money, the first thing to consider is that the existing stand is no longer suitable and needs to be replaced anyway. So, if you are going to replace it (and how long before it would be condemned given it's design limitations and age) then replace it with something bigger and better that will serve us well into the future. That's not too hard a concept to grab is it?
118

busbyfh,

16/01/2008 13:27:54
To those fans that believed Hearts were going into administration because of the e-mails and rumours flying about Edinburgh - Jambos included .........
As I said before - Give yourselves a good F****** talking to. Idiots to believe such drivel.
119

Hysterical Jambow,

16/01/2008 13:28:49
Why are some people who write on this thread so damn thick!!!!!????

We're not in any more financial difficulty than 6 years ago, if anything it's more secure as we are part of a group of companies onwed by a bank who manage all our debts. How can a company whos within a group sue one of they'r own companies for an intercompany debt?

The £51m stand is an investment which we increased our allowed borrowings to £40m to partially invest in. This is not our current debt level it;s probably nearer half that!

Communicating with the council for 18 months suggests all problems have been resolved hence the "Official planniing application" Still needs signed, sealed and delivered but nothing to suggest it wont be.

The revenue from whats built will go to who built it. If't it;s under Hearts name it'll go to them, if it's not it wont. I expect the hotel and bars will not be under Hearts name but probably a new company name, still under the one group.

Now all we need is to get a manager and win some games.
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Yorkian 2,

Edinburgh 16/01/2008 13:28:54
I made this point last time the Stadium plans were aired and was accused of being an Hobo Accountant and then largely ignored by the Hearts fans.

On the off-chance that there is a hearts fan out there who has more to think about than Hearts being the big team and Hobos being junkies, I will try again.

I think that, if the development goes ahead as planned, then that is the worst thing that could happen to Hearts as a football club. At the moment HOM is the biggest part of Vlad's investment here but if this goes ahead then HOM will become a much smaller part of Gorgies' big picture. Now the extra income from 5K more paying customers every fortnight is not going to do much more than service the debt. It follows then that the return on their investment will have to come from elsewhere. Victor Ian thinks that the money will come from outside and that this is OK. And he says that we never learn. If he were able to extend his demonstrably weak appreciation of things financial he would realise that this is more dangerous for Hearts than the status quo. The easist way for Vlad, UBIG or whoever to recoup their investment is to sell off the ground. While Hearts FC are a small part of the overall investment then this seems to be an option without too much pain for UBIG.
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Gorgie's Finest,

16/01/2008 13:30:10
Posted this last night guys and a few have signed up.
Just in case any of you are interested, since it has become a bit infested on here today. a phrase along the lines of "Crawling out the woodwork" springs to mind, and whilst a good debate is always welcome you will always get the idiots that spoil it.
http://talkothetoon.freeforums.org/index.php
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Pedantic,

Edinburgh City Centre 16/01/2008 13:31:33
123,

What is a "Yam" and where is this "Gurgie" place you mention in your poisonous post?

You do post some absolute nonsense on here you know.
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All Laugh Son,

Edinburgh 16/01/2008 13:33:05
You gotta love the Hibby fuds.

They've been clinging to our demise over the last couple of years and in the week a rumoured administration situation was meant to be rearing it's ugly head down Tynie way, we get presented with this instead.

Roll on the next few years of pending doom from Leithiopia.
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Iain Bhern,

16/01/2008 13:36:10
#116, you don't produce raw materials, that's why they are called raw! You mine or quarry them or pump them out of the ground. It's fine for mine owners etc just now but the bottom line is that higher material costs get passed on to the consumer. The consumer stops buying in the same quantity therefore profits drop. Risng material and labour costs have seen a price increase in some sectors of 33 percent to the end consumer in the last eighteen months and a consequent drop in sales. The knock on effect is cancellation of planned product releases for 2008 and beyond as manufacturers do not wish to commit to financing production of goods that won't sell. Manufacturers therefore don't need to buy in raw materials they aren't going to use. As I said not even UBIG are immune from that.
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Pedantic,

Edinburgh 16/01/2008 13:37:00
136,

Yes of course, you're correct. Spend £51m to develop the stand then sell the whole place off. The buyer would need to spend millions just to demolish the place to make it suitable for building whatever, therefore lowering the purchase price to compensate.
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Gorgie's Finest,

16/01/2008 13:37:06
#136
Sensible theory but its just that a theory, UBIG or Vlad for that matter did not come to Scotland to build a Hotel. The idea for the hotel etc was based solely so that HMFc could trade as a profitable comapny eventually. The ground needed to be revamped it could not go ion the way it was. why not spend the extra 40million and also build hotel,appartments,pubs,shops,supersore etc to further increase turnover.
In terms of UBIG's investment this is actully a small investment compared with the UBIG company as a whole and its entire assets.
127

Prof,

16/01/2008 13:39:21
Predictably this article brought the usual drivel from Hobos.
Hearts are going to have a superb stadium. Hibs aren't - get over it!
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Gorgie's Finest,

16/01/2008 13:39:33
#140
I stand corrected for using the word produce. What i was trying to say was a lot of the companies that UBIG own are coal and gas companies, so what i should have said is they Supply raw materials.
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GrahamL,

16/01/2008 13:42:08
#136 To an extent I see your point. Taking UBIG as a whole (i.e. lookthrough to Hearts as a subsidiary) - the extra ticket income of £2.25m p.a. will give a modest return on the investment (just shy of 5%). The remaining income from all the other stuff will be additional profit. All good.
The question I think you're posing is, could he not then just knock down the whole ground and make more money by building more houses/hotels etc?
My question to you is, if we wanted to do that, would he not be better doing it now? Why bother building a new stand at all, if he owns Tynecastle and can do what he wants with it, why not knock it all down tomorrow?
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East at Easter,

Edinurgh 16/01/2008 13:42:18
OH DEAR.
THE BEGINNING OF THE END IM AFRAID.

SHORTTERMGAIN FC .....AKA HEARTS FC
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The Chief,

16/01/2008 13:43:23
#136

If I build an extension on my house my house value goes up right?

So if Hearts build a new stand then their value will go up.

Thus in 5 years if Romanov decides to sell the club the value of the club will be higher and thus they will get more money back.
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leith keely,

edinburgh 16/01/2008 13:45:11
#22 in a word- drivel!!!!!!!!.
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Mixu 6-2,

16/01/2008 13:45:18
keep the posts coming im on ma knees..........

Ha-ha-ha..................

ma' side's...............
134

These Colours don't run,

16/01/2008 13:46:35
If I was a jambo I would be concerned about the debt levels, but as I am not I don't care.
The bottom line is that the development and the stadium look good, whether it will mean the team wins more games we will have to wait and see.

By the way, to VI and the rest who continue to post about Hibs planning permission running out soon and will be not be renewed, the permission was granted for the new stand in Sept 2004 with 5 years wait time. Therefore we have until Sept 2009 before we have to start.
GGTTH
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Prof,

16/01/2008 13:46:56
#136 Why not just beleive Romanov, when he says wants to build a superb stadium instead of indulging in a conspiracy theory.
Only an imbecile or a Hobo would suggest that building a new stand at a cost of £50 m. is part of a scheme to then level the building and sell it for houses.
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Gorgie's Finest,

16/01/2008 13:47:21
#149
mixu its not the first time you've probably been on your knees, usually with a paying male customer standing in front of you.
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GrahamL,

16/01/2008 13:48:00
#149 Aye well, I'm sure your punter will blow his muck shortly...
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king franco,

DUNFERMLINE 16/01/2008 13:52:20
haha mixu's on his knees taking a fat one!
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Grimsby Hibee,

In the Dam 16/01/2008 13:52:21
# 145 Just a few other points, this extra income is based on the assumption of full attendance??

You are second bottom of the league, does that inspire consumer confidence?

Is a manager of any worth going to take charge of a team while Vlad continually interferes?

Also how much is he going to charge customers for this hotel?

Most septics and Japanese who are willing to spend big bucks on accomodation, would naturally expect to see the city centre, castle, gardens etc. Otherwise if you are not particular about the view from your hotel window, then book premier lodge for 60 quid a night! Per room!
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Yorkian 2,

Edinburgh 16/01/2008 13:52:43
#142, #145 I hope your correct. The last thing Hibs need is for Hearts to go belly-up.

#147 Hearts are building a stand, not an extension to a house. You must see the difference?
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A Jambo come rain or shine,

16/01/2008 13:53:45
#109 When have we shown ourselves to be a credible force in Scottish football for more than 2 months at a time. Well - any team outside of the old firm finishing 2nd or indeed finishing 3rd three seasons out of 5 would suggest to me that they've been a credible force for more than 2 months. Winning the Scottish cup and being in Europe is pretty credible in my eyes. Admittedly this season isn't exactly going to plan but if your comments are based solely on this season then your are a bit short sighted.

As for all those that say a) this is a smokescreen and b) why not concentrate on getting a new manager/players in. Should all the hard work in the last 2 years planning the new stand be put on hold because we are playing badly? Should the club not submit this application as soon as they can so that they can progress with the redevelopment as soon as they can? Of course they should. And if we go on a good run of games between now and the end of the season and finish top six - is that good enough for our fans to then announce the stadium redevelopment? Probably not - so we then have to wait until we're next 3rd in the league?!?! How long do you wait to announce good news?
Smokescreen - no, but all clubs will try and put positive news in the paper when they can - especially if results aren't going well. I believe that for one reason or another, today was the earliest time the club could put these forward. Is there any relevence with the offical trip over to Lithuania to speak to Vlad - who knows but I can't see this as a smokescreen.
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GrahamL,

16/01/2008 13:54:59
#156
Yes
No
No
Don't know - depends what the hotels like, it might be a Travelodge, it might be a Hilton. To be honest, I don't know which one makes the most profit - £60 for a basic room, £150 for luxury, or something in the middle.
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mrhibs07,

16/01/2008 13:56:03
Rolland the rat,and many more.too many to mention. Isn't a bit rich slagging our stadium off? Correct me if i'm wrong,but you want use our facilities,inside and out, whilst the builders are present at Swinecastle. I just hope Hibernian FC,tell you to GTF.
Go and play at Murryfield. A stadium that is used to your style of hoofball.
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Gorgie's Finest,

16/01/2008 14:00:12
#162
Were sorry we forgot your lot are a "silky free flowing attacking team" and never like to play hoofball. I take it you missed the last derby where the only team actually trying to play the ball on the ground that day was the one in maroon.
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SimonW,

Edinburgh 16/01/2008 14:00:18
Vicky #111
"IF YOU BUILD IT....... WE WILL COME (so to speak)."

You chumps are so gullible, it's more a case of:
"IF YOU SUBMIT THE PLANNING APPLICATION ....... WE WILL COME ALL OVER OUR KEYBOARDS."

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mrhibs07,

16/01/2008 14:03:08
#161 You have nothing worth selling at your place. Exept the fax machine. Get a couple of quid for that.
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keepBELIEVING,

Newcastle 16/01/2008 14:04:23
As a Geordie both supporting Newcastle and Hearts (my Grandads form Edinburgh)it's frustrating supporting two teams that never realise their potential (although Hearts have won a couple of cups), both with a recent history of having a management merry go round. Although this is reported as a £51m stadium, it's obvious that most of the cash is going inot a profitable commercail property venture with loads of profit attached. Seems Hearts will get a new main stand almost free of cost when the profits roll in form the other developments. Nice one Vlad. How about Shearer serving his appreniceship at the Jambos before doing his thing here!!
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16/01/2008 14:04:31
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mrhibs07,

16/01/2008 14:04:36
#163 HA HA. You hurt my side's there.
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Rolland,

16/01/2008 14:05:37
MrFibs07

Where does it say we want to use Fester Rd, we may have to put up with short term pain for the greater good, but I would hardly call it a Stadium, that shed is way past its sell by date.

Why are the hobo's here, haven't you got the latest players sales to worry about. Now run along and discuss your small debt, small team and small ambitions.
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Mixu 6-2,

16/01/2008 14:06:42
Keep em coming YAMS...........
oH MA SIDES.............
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Gorgie's Finest,

16/01/2008 14:07:44
#168
mrhibs07,16/01/2008 14:04:36
#163 HA HA. You hurt my side's there.

Was that not meant for your punter?
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king franco,

DUNFERMLINE 16/01/2008 14:09:53
hey mixu, where's yer caravan parked?
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Crimbotoy,

16/01/2008 14:11:23
This is a case of wool over the eyes i'd say,
this romanov is no fool,
get the drift.
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Rambo_the_Jambo,

Edinburgh 16/01/2008 14:11:42
# 120 RangersThroughAndThrough

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't David Murray invest money in the Point Hotel in Edinburgh?
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Crimbotoy,

16/01/2008 14:12:25
Only going to be 17.000 loser's in this one,
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mrhibs07,

16/01/2008 14:15:38
#169rolland the rat. Still you won't need all of Swinecastle next season,not with the crowds you'll be getting in the first division.
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Prof,

16/01/2008 14:15:38
#169 Hearts may decide to grace ER. For Hobos it will be unusual to see the ground full. For Hearts its just slumming it, until the new Tynecastle is ready.
#172 Big Rob the Hobo - I thought you and MrHobo were predicting Hearts were going into adinsitartion on the 14th Jan?
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16/01/2008 14:15:43
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Victoria Ian,

LEITH 16/01/2008 14:16:43
ha ha ha ha ha. this will never ever go ahead- what a joke.

Anyhone like to buy a flat that's part of a football stand in the middle of Gorgie!! They will hold their value well- not!


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rosco.1875,

16/01/2008 14:17:40
How many jambos on here are going to re-new their season books next season? Assuming you finish 11th, dont have a manager in place and all the same crap players. Maybe another lithuanian or 2?

Deary me. It is good for hearts and edinburgh if this does go ahead, but will anyone be interested in going if this keeps up? You could fit the whole crowd in this new stand if things keep up like this. Wasn't so long ago that the dross at tiny was attracting 9k.

That 6-7k of fairweather fans that showed up on the back of Burley's success will be back to going shopping with the missus if this doesn't change, tell me I'm wrong if I am here. Dont think I am though.

Vlad took a big risk paying players 10k a week. He sacked burley and generally fcked it up. It could've worked if hearts continued to be successful. Sitting 11th in the league really doesn't seem like they have been.
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GrahamL,

16/01/2008 14:17:49
#179 Maybe there's two of them, wearing him like chinese fingercuffs...
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Gorgie's Finest,

16/01/2008 14:18:32
#178
The date was changed to the 18th then the 21st.
None of them can agree on the date. Im just glad i dont have a hobo in charge of my finances thats all i can say
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Rolland,

16/01/2008 14:20:22
#177 Form is only temporary, anyway with Gretna in the League everyone is safe and yes it is a good job before you say it. This season has been one of transistion that is for sure, but Mr Romanov is slowly getting things right with they way the football side is run, this season is a mere blip, we'll still finish above the Hobo's we always do.
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victor ian,

16/01/2008 14:21:14
to yorkian 2 and all the other non-believers, all those who have convinced themselves that there is an insidious hidden agenda, all those who's eyes have fogged over with fear.....

it's ok lads, i completely understand. you simply do not want to believe that this undertaking will come to fruition. you will clutch at any straw in order to avoid facing up to the distinct possibility that you have all been wrong about romanov's longer term plans for hearts.

i totally understand, the fear that hearts might possibly start putting the pieces of the plan together must be gnawing away at you, and boy oh boy, does that fear show through.

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Gorgie's Finest,

16/01/2008 14:22:22
#181
Again like all hobos your statement lacks fact. I suggest you go check on the last 10 years average attendance figure, you will see Hearts are by far the biggest supported club outwith the OF, so to start on your low crowd statements is pure and utter tripe. You will also find that the average is above 10k

Do you still have your fancy dress costume as a hampden seat by the way?
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Rolland,

16/01/2008 14:23:20
Well said Victor #185

We can smell the hobo fear on these boards today, they really are bricking it aren't they.

Bring it on !
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MIXTU,

16/01/2008 14:23:47
A wee question for you all:

What do you think will be built first,

A. Hearts fancy dan new stand.

Or

B. Hibs new unannounced or even officially talked about East Stand (like for like quality of the main stand).

My guess is B.

Pers
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Rolland,

16/01/2008 14:24:53
#188

I would answer A

There is no demand for Hibs to built anything, no one is interested.
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victor ian,

16/01/2008 14:26:13
#181 rosco, i'll be renewing. not all of us are in it for the short term. there are plenty who can see this may take long term patience.

11th or 3rd, i will be there.

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Gorgie's Finest,

16/01/2008 14:26:40
#185
Good day V.I. hows u?
Good to see all our little team friends out in force today isnt it, if only as many of them actually went to hibs games they might have a decent attendance for once.

Your'e right you can smell the fear on the forums you could say this statement about the building of the new stand etc has them "bricking" it
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Prof,

16/01/2008 14:26:54
#186 forget about asking Hobos to appreciate facts. The majority of them get their ideas from the Bumper Fun Book of Hibernian Footballing myths that Santa brought them.
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SimonW,

Edinburgh 16/01/2008 14:27:26
#186

It depends if you tell the truth when you're reporting your attendances. Most teams, Hibs included, only give the figure for those actually attending the game. Hearts and Celtic give the figures for tickets sold, so if a couple of thousand season ticket holders don't turn up, it doesn't reflect badly on the attendances.

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Gorgie's Finest,

16/01/2008 14:30:27
#188
I think if you compare the 2 designs you will find that HMFC's is far more impressive and more state of the art, the best architect in the business was used to draw up the plans. i may be wrong and people can correct me if iam but im sure it is the same architect that planned old trafford and manay other top stadia. not some little league architect used to planning using lego blocks
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rosco.1875,

16/01/2008 14:30:55
#186 LOL! Aye nae bother ostrich boy.

So you'll have your season book bought and paid for nice and early for next year then? Or perhaps, as I suspect, your one of the fair weather burley crowd i mentioned?

You know what I said is true.

Some bunch the shambos. If you get turned over by Hibs on sat, it will be the same old. Booing everything in maroon and talk of we dont even need a new fckin stand, we need decent players.

Keep believing though son!
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Jambo-ree,

16/01/2008 14:30:58
#159 You're absolutely right. As our green friends (pun intended) have been reminding us, the application was first supposed to be in October. It's taken a bit longer to get in there, presumably as the plans were being fine-tuned during informal discussions with council officials to make them more likely to be passed by the planning department once submitted. That's the way these things are done.

So now is the right time, even although like many I have anxieties about the playing side of our Club. Hopefully these will have been addressed during the meeting with Romanov this week and further good news will be forthcoming.

Makes it difficult to swallow for the Leith faction though - all those stories about administration this week, and now this! What a sickener for them. Let's make Saturday an equally bad day for them! Poor Mixu is getting quite demented today...ha ha ha (as he might say).


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'Chopper',

Norwich, where The Broads Have Eyes! 16/01/2008 14:32:34
Will the redevelopment of the main stand allow for the pitch dimensions to become UEFA compliant and let us play European games at home? ............... if we ever get into Europe again!
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mrhibs07,

16/01/2008 14:32:35
#187 rolland the rat. Bricking it? I don't think so. Do you think you'll finish the game with 11 men? I very much doubt it. Why change the habit of a lifetime. Oh and you are already above us,and everybody else. By being the dirtiest team in the SPL.

GGTTH......
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Gorgie's Finest,

16/01/2008 14:32:45
#194
Check an independant source for figures ie SFA website.
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Rolland,

16/01/2008 14:32:54
#195 Big nob the hibbie

At least I bothered answering a question possed by another poster, thus addinf to te forum and you added what exactly with you post, no run along, I've heard they are selling again down your way.
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Gorgie's Finest,

16/01/2008 14:35:28
#197
Ive been a season ticket holder for nearly 20 years now. and have no intention of giving it up. I have also followed my club all over europe. can you say the same for yourself. certainly not the europe part as your lucky to have played about 10 games in europe in 20 years.
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devries 4,

oh dear 16/01/2008 14:36:32
£91 m in debt but to all u hobos whose the main creditor Mr Vladimir Romanov so its up to him if he pulls plug Abramovich at CHelsea could do same but nobody bleats on abt that as much if he wanted to pull plug then it would be strange to build hotel and bank here unless he intends to stay or flog it to someone else who knows his thinking
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victor ian,

16/01/2008 14:37:15
collective noun for the hobo remarks today.....

a latrine.

never have i witnessed such an aguished outpouring of desperate denial. we have had the proverbial kitchen sink thrown at us today, the full welly, the guns of the navarone.

i don't give a monkeys's.

we'll all just have to wait and see. some of us with anticipation, some of you with petrification.

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brettgallacher,

edinburgh 16/01/2008 14:38:12
how much guff do jambos believe no chance of a new stadium this all about building flats read your own hearts website stadium only gets re built IF he can build flats hotels etc coincil have already told hearts no chance of happening cant any of youse read
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Pedantic_Hibee,

16/01/2008 14:39:29
Job done, Vlad.

You've successfully deflected the attention away from the fact there's no sign of a manager or new players.

You've done it again!!
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devries 4,

16/01/2008 14:40:16
Rosco fairweather fans where were ur fans in 80s and 90s 6000-8000 now 13000 approx and still worse league attendance 14000 bigger than ur average attendance of 13000 pretty fairweather to watch team second bottom
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Six tu......,

16/01/2008 14:40:39
It's the same as having a Rolls-Royce,
BUT NO PETROL.
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Gorgie's Finest,

16/01/2008 14:41:11
the albion bar will be doing a good turn tonight all these hobos drinking themselves silly to block out the pain and hurt at finaly realising how small and insignificant there team really is. And how big HMFC really are. The fact we have all these hobos on here today shows the fear and resentment they have, and shows a small team mentality when they only want to talk about their rivals
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victor ian,

16/01/2008 14:42:36
#209 petrified hobo, that's right he just cobbled this together overnight to deflect attention away from the managerial and squad issues.

just you keep clinging on to that hope my terrified friend.

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Prof,

16/01/2008 14:44:22
#207 Amazing that after 207 comments not one Hobo can find anything remotely positive to say about Hearts plans.
Instead we have had a murder (or Armitage Shankers) of Hobos producing a latrine of comments.
Who's the laughing stock now!
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Six tu......,

16/01/2008 14:44:29
Could well be the only team in europe, to own such a stadium playing in a lower lkeague, 1st division.
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victor ian,

16/01/2008 14:44:45
bring on mister stay-puft and his muppet men.
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mrhibs07,

16/01/2008 14:46:24
#206 Don't put yourself on par with Chelsea. They have a bigger fan base than you. Probably bigger than any team in Scotland in fact. The money they generate is far more than hearts. No matter who they play at home,they fill the stadium. You,or us on that basis don't. Different kettle of fish my son.
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Fit o' the walk Jambo,

16/01/2008 14:48:21
#209 We only need interim managers to wipe the floor with you lot! Forgetting your biggest derby ever when you were humiliated?? It seems to be with a piece of good news involving Hearts all the usual weeteamers creep on and try to make it look bad?? Hibs fans wouldn't fill our future hotel rooms never mind a 23,000 seater stadium.They can't fill their own stadium more than one time after another.Weeteam wee support wee club wee minded fans who shouldn't be discussing items away above their stations!!
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Rambo_the_Jambo,

Edinburgh 16/01/2008 14:48:36
Awww, my comment has been removed. Pity, I was only telling the truth.

Oh well, Since I can't swear, can someone update me on mixu 6-2s current position. Is he stil on his knees?
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Fit o' the walk Jambo,

16/01/2008 14:50:41
#215 what's it like playing in the 1st division with empty seats all over the place?? It wasn't that long ago you were there?! Was that the year when we won the Scottish Cup and you got relegated?!!PMSL!!
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Bhoyed,

Champions Land 16/01/2008 14:54:44
Poor deluded Jambos, still believing that building a hotel and a gym will allow you to compete with the big boys. Forget it and stick to your level = Hibs, Motherwell, Aberdeen and DUTD.

Hail Hail!

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you can`t go wrong,

auld reekie 16/01/2008 14:54:55
#194 hearts only count fans through the turnstyles.
big team big stand, wee team wee stand.
get over it hoboconomists
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SimonW,

Edinburgh 16/01/2008 14:59:07
Prof #214
Okay, I'll say something positive. It looks good, and should certainly raise a lot more revenue than the current stand.
Can I add a wee question though? If this HUGE new 2 tier stand can hold 10k, how would you plan to fit another 30k in the space left? There's cetainly no enough space for 4 of those to be built.
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Jambo-ree,

16/01/2008 15:00:16
#208 Brett - I don't have a problem with reading but you obviously do with writing. Howver thanks for introducing a new game to the threads "Put in the Punctuation".

Don't know where you got the idea that the Council had said no. Maybe you're confusing it with the next phase involving the proposed redevelopment of the school site? You see, even with this development we're not finished yet.
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Jambo-ree,

16/01/2008 15:02:07
#225 - 40,000 would come when/if the school site is redeveloped. Meantime the 3 existing new stand hold something like 13,000 plus 10,000 for this proposal = 23,000.
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SimonW,

Edinburgh 16/01/2008 15:03:05
#201 Gorgie's finest

Independent website? Who do you think tells them the attendance figures? You think there's an independent SFA adjudicator at each turnstyle counting each spectator in? I have about 9 mates who are season ticket holders at Tynecastle, 4 of them aren't turning up at the moment due to the way the team is playing. But, according to the attendance figures they are. Can't you see the point I'm trying to make? I'm not trying to score points I'm just curious as to why they've changed the way they report attendences.
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Vlad Magic,

16/01/2008 15:03:36
Absolutley fantastic news!!!

As stated by many people involved in the project, it is a long term project. The extra revenue generated through the extra 5k seats, the hotel, conference facilities,match day dining for 1000 people, etc etc etc will pay for this project and start making significant profit for the club.

Wise man Mr Romanov and taking this club forward.

BELIEVE!!
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No. 5 - Ibrahim Tall,

16/01/2008 15:07:29
The Hobo's never have anything good to say.

They copy our chants & they're always so interested in our club (even when there down the sh*tter aswell..)
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Prof,

16/01/2008 15:07:48
#225 Glad to see a Hibbie being positive. Re the higher capacity - See #227 -Developing the school will get us there.
I think we can all agree that through Tynecastle, Edinburgh and the Lothians will at last have a stadium we can be proud off.
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Gorgie's Finest,

16/01/2008 15:09:46
#228
I hear what your saying, however going by that judgement and theory then it must be safe to assume hibs are averaging less than 10k at moment as well as every other team in the spl outwith hearts and the OF. You cant make a statement about teams making up attendances and then assume it is only hearts that do this, as you stated all teams do it, so going along the lines of that theory my theory must sound plausible.
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Rambo_the_Jambo,

Edinburgh 16/01/2008 15:11:50
As far as filling the stadium is concerned, Hearts are capable of doing it. Currently neither Hibs or Hearts can, but we have the potential.

I remember being part of 48,000 crowd crammed into Tynie for the 1968 QF against Rangers.

In the 70s and 80s 25000 - 35000 crowds were commonplace at big games, so the potential is there.
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mrhibs07,

16/01/2008 15:12:19
#230 Copying your chants? Enlighten me? And we are no where near as far down the sh**er, as you lot. Got a manager yet? Or is it still the fax machine?
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mcjambo,

16/01/2008 15:13:11
wot do ya think the chances are of bllit davies taking over as hearts manager after pulling out of the scotland job??
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Glorious Hearts,

16/01/2008 15:15:17
We should ignore the naysayers, they must be feeling pretty stupid today (except the really stupid ones who are still convinced they're right despite all the evidence).

mind you, tomorrow we'll be in administration (it is tomorrow isn't it? I know it was meant to be last week, but...)

Good to see progress being made, well done Hearts.

FTH, bring on Saturday
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mrhibs07,

16/01/2008 15:17:05
#236 NONE. I beLIEve he's fed up, not hard up. After Vlads involvement,nobody with self pride will manage you. Only one man to blame there.
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SimonW,

Edinburgh 16/01/2008 15:17:11
#227 Okay then we'll add another 3 for the corners to take us to 26k. How can you fit a stand that holds 18k (the extra 14k plus the existing 4k) into one end? Even Ibrox only fit about 7k behind a goal.

As I said last time, I'm not saying it won't be done or can't be done, I'm just curious as to where it will all go.

Of course the best route would be to persuade Alec Salmond to bid for the Euro Championships, and then the tax payer could build you a new stadium for free.
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Glorious Hearts,

16/01/2008 15:17:17
#234 how about "oh paul hartley is ***"

remember that one? that chant you copied?
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Riley Hamish,

Edina 16/01/2008 15:17:40

I truly hope for Hearts sake that this investment comes to fruition, but frankly I confess to being a little sceptical. Still, the application is in and we'll see soon enough.
Just a thought though......If the scheme is to cost £51M,.......what's the cost of the planning application by itself (without doing the building work). Might be a good investment just to buy time.......but NO......surely not....MadVlad wouldn't do that ....would he??
I hope for your sakes it works out guys, 'cos one thing IS for sure....you can't keep going on like this........I mean, SOME of you might even be tempted to get off your fat4rses for once!!
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No. 5 - Ibrahim Tall,

16/01/2008 15:17:52
234#

Semi final scottish cup - Hearts 4 - 0 Hibs.
"All the hibees are ***!" , next week - hibs are chanting it.

"Di di di di Laryea Kingston!" - Hibs fans next week.. "Di di di di Makalamby"
.......................................................

I suppose its abit more brighter than "Hibees Hibees Hibees"..

.......................................................

Have we got a manager yet!?

Emm.. Nope, not as yet.
Remind me.. How many points ahead are you? (Considering we're alot more down the sh*tter than you boys..)
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Six tu......,

16/01/2008 15:19:05
If hearts played gers in front of 48k in 1968,
gers must have brought 38k,
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Six tu......,

16/01/2008 15:21:19
The tynie team at the moment are not even certs to win the first division.
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SimonW,

Edinburgh 16/01/2008 15:21:32
#232

Why make the assumption other teams do it? And why assume other teams have so many fans not turningup because they're not happy.

Not sure if Rangers do it, but I know Hibs don't. We've had end of season meaningless games where the attendance was below the amount of season tickets sold.

Where exactly did I state that all teams do it?
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Gorgie's Finest,

16/01/2008 15:22:37
#239
The plans have already been drawn up on what will happen if the stadium was to increase to 40,000, but the same architect used for the current design. the roseburn and wheatfield stands will be replaced along with all corners being filled in, and dont forget this is with us buying the land tynie high school is on and the brewery behind wheatfield.
220

Vlad Magic,

16/01/2008 15:23:34
Can I just add that Hibs played on a slope steep enough to sledge down untill fairly recently!!!!

Fixing that obvioulsy blew your budget untill 2059.
221

mrhibs07,

16/01/2008 15:24:54
#242 7 points with a game in hand. See you are further down the sh**er.

GGTTH
222

Prof,

16/01/2008 15:25:08
#235 Both you and MrHobo said Hearts would be in adminstration on the 14th.
Now thats real fantasy.
223

Andy M,

16/01/2008 15:26:23
# 243 Nice name, you must have been up all night thinking that one up. I am certain Hearts had a lot more than 10'000 fans against rangers.

Still,you weteamers keep releasing the pathetic nonsense about us going into administration from your private members forum, think wee,act wee, are wee.
224

mrhibs07,

16/01/2008 15:27:23
#249 Who is mrhobo?
225

Prof,

16/01/2008 15:28:11
#251 You!
226

Vlad Magic,

16/01/2008 15:28:37
#251 The long lost twin you married. Kids got 7 fingers on each hand?
227

i wanna be like John Colquhoun,

16/01/2008 15:29:32
wot are the scotsman writers on today...first we had a story how mixu looks like some guy in a film (to my surprise its not shrek!!), then we have this story which was ALWAYS going to happen as like has been said we have been in consultation about this for months.

and sugar daddy will take care of the debt...and i actually dont care...finance is boring and working in that area all weeek the last thing i want to think about is how are we financed etc are we going into admin etc Answer = NO. we are better off £91m in "debt" to Romanov (the owner!) than £25m to the bank who want it back!!

as for filling it...hibees lets not go there as has been pointed out scottish semi final...don't ever talk to us about support!!

and a story about the 6-2 game...to cheers hibs fans up and get them thinking that beating us in a derby is the norm...again helps them ignore FACTS.
228

mrhibs07,

16/01/2008 15:30:17
#251 Aye but wer'e talking quality,not quantity. It seems the bigger you are the more s**t there is.
229

Gorgie's Finest,

16/01/2008 15:31:48
#245
Do you work with the SFA? or with HMFc or CFC?
Do you know for a fact ill say that word again it is a word hobos havent come across too often FACT. The only figures realeased by hobos are ones attending that day or for a fact the figures released by HMFC are of all sales and not those attending. No i dont think you do, like many hobos just more speculation and theories. How low do lot have to go to try get one up on us.

It wont be long before you lot start giving us the, "We were first to have undersoil heating" bull
230

Vlad Magic,

16/01/2008 15:31:50
#252. Maybe and maybe not. If the BArca game is anything to go by it gives us encouragement that we could. What I will say is that it gives us something to aim for. The Magnificent 7 set up is designed for the future so that hopefully the kids taking advantage of it now, will be filling those seats in X number of years time. Pretty clever thinking Mr Romanov.
231

Rambo_the_Jambo,

Edinburgh 16/01/2008 15:33:34
BBC news at 3.30.

David Murphy has been sold to Birmingham for £2m
232

Jam Tarts 1874,

On the Rebound 16/01/2008 15:34:32
#255. I thought mixu 6-2 was the the likliest candidate for the missing link. However you are making a very good case for it being you.

What bit of "the development has the full backing of the UKIO Group" did you not understand?
233

SimonW,

Edinburgh 16/01/2008 15:35:00
#246 Thanks for the heads up. Phew, that's going to cost a lot of cash. I hope UBIG have big pockets, or Alec's your man.

hard to see from Google maps, but if the area to the top left of Tynie is the brewery, then you've space to build a 60,000 seater there, never mind 40k.

The News headline "Hearts Lodge Application" suggest its already been approved behind closed doors ;-)
234

Taras Shevchenko,

16/01/2008 15:35:47
207 victor, I like your collective noun bit for the hobo remarks and 'a latrine of hobo remarks' is a winner......

I also like:
A slaver of hobo remarks - for hobo financial advisors

but my personal favourite is victorian inspired:

A
P E T R I F I C A T I O N
O F
H O B O
R E M A R K S
235

mrhibs07,

in the huff wi prof. 16/01/2008 15:36:04
#253 Wrong buddy. I have NEVER EVER mentioned in ANY of my posts about adminstration. So please get your facts right, before you accuse me of doing so.
236

Gorgie's Finest,

16/01/2008 15:37:09
another hobo bites the dust. thats murphy gone rob jones next.

didnt the hobos great manager only just say he wouldnt sell murphy?????????????

Dont tell me petrie is selling mixu's players for him that could never happen at another club that only happens at hearts where the owner or ceo sells and buys players.

GIRFUY
237

SimonW,

Edinburgh 16/01/2008 15:37:12
#245 So much for trying to have a reasonable discussion. Don't worry about why your club are massaging the figures, just blame everybody else.

Grow up and smell the cheese.
238

Jam Tarts 1874,

On the Rebound 16/01/2008 15:38:04
See it on the BBC website ticker now. Will Mixu get the dosh to spend? lol!
239

mrhibs07,

16/01/2008 15:39:04
#265 Just because you have NOBODY worth selling.
240

Prof,

16/01/2008 15:39:39
#260
Another one jumping ship - but didn't Mixu say that nobody would be sold unless he agreed, and that Murphy was not for sale in january.
Looks like Petrie is pulling the strings at ER.
241

Vlad Magic,

16/01/2008 15:39:58
Appologies to Taras. I was out of order yesterday.
242

mrhibs07,

in the huff with prof 16/01/2008 15:42:17
#270 Come on then prof. where's my apology?
243

Gorgie's Finest,

16/01/2008 15:44:00
***********MIXU QUOTE IN THE EEN*********

"HIBS boss Mixu Paatelainen today revealed he hopes to have David Murphy in his side far beyond this weekend's Edinburgh derby despite mounting speculation over the classy defender's future"

Yep sounds like mixu is in charge there NOT.

Petrie and Farmer are doing exactly the same as you accuse vlad of......

Comments please....
244

Jam Tarts 1874,

On the Rebound 16/01/2008 15:44:15
#266. You really are talking garbage, if what you say is true then the official attendance at our last home league game against Kilmarnock would have been the usual 16k plus, however it was 14,346.

There is an old saying, best to keep your mouth shut and have people think you are a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt! You should take this advice on board before spouting utter p**h on here.
245

Scaffolder,

16/01/2008 15:46:17
#265 murphy has ready replacement in 17 year old boy hanlon,
jones wont be missed,
want another go,
moron.
246

Andy M,

16/01/2008 15:46:28
#260 good player will be a big loss, I think that the hibs fans will have a lot to say about that. Seems to me that all the family gold has now been sold off. I wonder if they can keep producing or developing players of that calibre in the future. If not and they continue with that fiscal policy then lean times could be ahead for hobos.
247

Jam Tarts 1874,

On the Rebound 16/01/2008 15:47:35
#269. Aww, diddums!

I think you will find that Hearts have TURNED DOWN £1m plus offers for Goncalves and Velicka in recent times.
248

Gorgie's Finest,

16/01/2008 15:48:51
#276
an untried at higher level 17yr old as a replavement for one of your best players!!!!!!! you have the audacity to call me a moron. Total Quality you cant buy this comedy
249

Scaffolder,

16/01/2008 15:49:19
is someone want to send a fax to russia,
just say january window is open.
250

i wanna be like John Colquhoun,

16/01/2008 15:50:31
#269 sold our goalie for the combined total of ALL your best players!

rejected rangers approach for Banks and signed him up on a two year deal....

come back soon with some comments that you havent made up!!
251

Jam Tarts 1874,

On the Rebound 16/01/2008 15:50:36
#276. Another toys out the pram merchant. Looks like someone touched a nerve there. lol!
252

victor ian,

16/01/2008 15:51:33
another hobo escapes. hobos overpaid as per usual.

after all the mooth foaming that the hobos have produced today, maybe it's time for them to slink back over to their own threads to discuss why it is that hibs can justify paying falkirk / kilmarnock level wages, considering their debt situation (next to nil).

that should be the first item on their twisted little agenda.

253

Jam Tarts 1874,

On the Rebound 16/01/2008 15:51:56
#280. Why Russia? What a tool! Keep them coming, you are making today even better!
254

No. 5 - Ibrahim Tall,

16/01/2008 15:53:04
276#
Jones wont be missed?

Whos gonna score against hearts when jones goes?
255

Scaffolder,

16/01/2008 15:53:10
Read this morning the new manager is coming,
coming fom iceland GUDJON THORDARSON,
YES THAT IS A BIG NAME.
hope for your sake he is a GID-JON.
256

Rolland,

16/01/2008 15:54:00
It just gets better, wonder how much they will reinvest in the team.... oh thats right they have there own state of the art training centre and are nearly debt free. Oh the ambition of them.
257

Andy M,

16/01/2008 15:54:23
#276 you sure one of they scaffolding tubes hasnt fallen on your head from a great height? If not see post #275 for advice.

258

Vlad Magic,

16/01/2008 15:54:29
#286 quit while you are behind mate. MILES BEHIND!
259

Gorgie's Finest,

16/01/2008 15:54:46
Instead of spending all there time commenting on a hearts board they should be more interested and worried about what is going on at their own club. Clearly all is not well there petrie is skimming from the top Farmer is pocketing all the money from their best players nothing being re-invested in the club.......tick tock...times running out for the hobos it would seem... you lot should make a stance against this robbing ceo and owner get them out beofre its too late..........tick tock tick tock......
260

Andy M,

16/01/2008 15:58:07
#286 It must be the scaffolding accident. There you go again talking on an empty heid!!
261

Lionheart Fodithman,

Office 16/01/2008 15:59:38
I feel really sorry for the decent Hobo followers currently.

What happened to good old loyalty.One sniff of a wee pay rise and their off.

Year after year you guys put up with this nonsense.Come on Hobo,s "get yer heids oot oh the sand" and do something about it NOW. FACT .TICK TOCK

HA HA
FELL AF MA CHAIR
MA SIDES R SPLITTIN
262

One In a million,

16/01/2008 16:01:42
A promise coming out of gorgie sure brings the worms out the woodwork, can you really see hearts surviving under this man, would any of you put your savings on it,can you see new players arriving!!!!!!!

The answer to all three questions is NO.
SMELL THE COFFEE ffs.
263

Andy M,

16/01/2008 16:03:04
#295 people in glass houses!!
264

Hobo Harry,

16/01/2008 16:03:14
From the article above, "The new two-tier, 10,000-seat structure will incorporate administration offices, commercial office space, residential apartments and state-of-the-art conference and banqueting facilities. There will also be leisure facilities such as a hotel, bars, restaurants, a gymnasium and a new club store built on site." And 10,000 seats? Haw haw haw. Nae room left tae swing a cat...........
265

One In a million,

16/01/2008 16:05:21
1 - Look at the facts in front of you!!
players arriving?
top manager?
league position?
SMELL I SAY!!!!
266

Prof,

16/01/2008 16:05:58
#272b Are you sure it wasn't you? It definitely was Rob the Hobo (he still believes in santa mind you) and a few others - happy hobo, Lenny maybe. Apologies if it wasn't you - but I'm sure you all went along with it.
267

i wanna be like John Colquhoun,

16/01/2008 16:06:29
this thread has developed into a bit of a debacle.

though i think it is a very serious point that all the hobos are on hearts threads every day about every non-story..concerning yourselves with our financials and attendance levels etc ....well guys....story of the day is you have sold your best player...AGAIN!!

yes we arent best pleased at our results etc but if you think our club is run as a joke then ffs what is going on when you sell anybody who gets an offer...and its not just your big signings...i thought you guys liked sproule and he got jettisoned for a wee bit cash in the pocket. as as been mentioned falkirk, inverness, killie are operating within your budgets and cant offer decent wages, sign any players. all your board cares about is being debt free....woopee do dah! seriuosly though....where do you go then...and what good does that do you...

as has been said...there are more pressing issues for you to be thinking about than hearts..
268

Gorgie's Finest,

16/01/2008 16:06:54
#297
Blame that on bandersons writting not the best is it?

I think even someone with half a brain cell can understand the stand itself is not going to incorporate all these facities its the whole development project.
269

GrahamL,

16/01/2008 16:07:26
#297 My god you're right!
Everyone, stop what you're doing. Hobo Harry's worked out that there isn't enough space for everything. Sack the architects who put together the plans, they've only gone and forgotten to measure everything!

Thank you Hobo Harry, that was a close call.
270

GorgieX1,

16/01/2008 16:10:45
i hate to say this, but it all seems pie in the sky before the game on saturday, i for one would take much more heart at hearing of a signing or 2, or 3 or 4....is it just me???

and before you start with the pelters no i'm not a hobo
271

mrhibs07,

16/01/2008 16:10:49
#299 Not guilty prof.
272

Andy M,

16/01/2008 16:14:23
# 298

Ditto + all the family gold being sold off!!

At the end of the day the problems of both clubs on the playing side are down to how they are being managed at board level. I dont have to smell anything I know all I need to know about my club. However dissatisfying that may be, and believe me it is. But our problem can be fixed by appointing a decent (with autonomy) Manager and adding one or two players to the existing squad. On the other hand your policy seems to be as a production facility for the gruesome twosome or teams in the lower reaches down south. Equally dissatisfying at the very least surely? Better stick to your own advice and have a wee sniff at your own coffeee, before lecturing us Jambos my hobo friend.
273

i wanna be like John Colquhoun,

16/01/2008 16:18:09
i find the hibs fans interest and ignorance of facts quite astonishing....

quote from mixu on bbc sport suggests interfernce from board shocker at easter road...."It's not entirely in my hands, but I want to keep the best players at the club, to have as competitive a team as possible."

Recently-appointed Hibs manager Mixu Paatelainen had expected Murphy to be in his team for this weekend's Edinburgh derby against Hearts.

so basically...petrie is picking mixus team for saturday...


274

Prof,

16/01/2008 16:19:19
#302 Don't be to hard to Hobo harry - Hibbies can't count above 9000.
275

Gorgie's Finest,

16/01/2008 16:19:43
people wanna start taking guesses when Farmers gonna do a runner and leave Hibs in the proverbial?

There cant be many more of these "Silky all attcking flair footballers" left to come through and make some money from.

farmer will be off soon along with the robbing CEO Petrie....tick tock tick tock
276

All Laugh Son,

Edinburgh 16/01/2008 16:21:42
Mixu's first involvement as Hibs manager - "Read my lips - Murphy will not be leaving this window".

So funny...
277

GorgieX1,

16/01/2008 16:23:17
I am going to reserve comment on this untill i see the builders going in, as i have said countless times on here beforoe i don't like the way my club is being ran and i have been a hearts supporter for over 30 years. I would prefer if we had held this off until monday am once he have got back to winning ways
278

Big Dipper,

16/01/2008 16:23:42
Think Hearts would be better buying a new team than building a new stand ! Its all fantasy at Tynie !
Like the Newcastle Fans of Scotland think they are better than they are ! Worst Hearts team this Century !
279

Phillipè ,

16/01/2008 16:23:54
one post and one post only.
you followers of hearts should look in mirrors.
over 300 posts a few from hibs yes.
you are easily conned.
i'm beginning to believe its that old scenario JUMP.
HOW HIGH VLADIMIR HOW HIGH MASTER.
JOCKEY ON. AS YOU PLEASE.
280

Andy M,

16/01/2008 16:24:47
#306 I think the hobo eye has been taken off the hobo ball for so long as they have been so preoccupied with their HMFC obsession.

Still hardly surprising when their greatest victory was a game they didnt even play in. Weeteamism at it's best!
281

Gorgie's Finest,

16/01/2008 16:26:40
#312
haha quality.

All these comments from idiots that have so much to say on hearts issues and vlad issues and cant even see whats going on at their own club....the sand has shifted and its the hobos who have their heads well and truely burried in it
282

Jeremiah,

16/01/2008 16:27:56
Hearts supporter's should let the proposed plan's lie,
there's a saying, one could easily fall flat on one's face.
283

mrhibs07,

16/01/2008 16:28:09
#309 It was on the cards when Collins was in charge, that Murph was going. So it's no surprise. We've been stung before by losing players,out of contract. That my friend is sore.
284

Andy M,

16/01/2008 16:29:39
#311 yeah right, we were relegated in the 70's but dont let the facts get in the way of your HMFC obsession.

#312
While your wittering on here your family jewels are heading down to the midlands and all just prior to an Edinburgh derby. Come to think of it was O'Connor not get sold just before that s4-0 emi when you lot came dressed as seats? Priorities my hobo chum priorities.
285

Gorgie's Finest,

16/01/2008 16:30:27
#317
So either Mixu lied to all you hobos when he said Murphy would not be sold or he was mislead by Petrie, either way not the best position for you lot is it?

Get your CEO out Get Rid of farmer before its too late...tick tock tick tock
286

victor ian,

16/01/2008 16:31:39
new hibs club song.

please release me, let me goooooooo
for i don't love yooooooo anymore
your fans are thick, your pay is sh***
RELEASE me, the hobos, let me goooooooo.

287

Gorgie's Finest,

16/01/2008 16:32:36
#320
Quality m8
288

bonspeil,

16/01/2008 16:34:21
Honestly, Hibs fans on here really are becoming a bit of a joke. When will you stop focusing on the debt? All businesses fund themselves through loans. If the people funding them are happy with the arrangement, then the debt can go up to 1000 million for all it matters! UBIK are funding this, ie they are happy with the arrangement. Why are they doing it? Who knows. Maybe as a bank trying to make inroads into Western Europe they want to fund a big project that could lead to them being asked to fund other big projects? That is after all what banks do.

I'll still believe it when I see it, and the cooncil may turn it down, but how anyone can criticise the ambition to build a multi-use facility that creates jobs in an area that needs both of those things is beyond me. Hibs fans need to look beyond their inferiority complex, and their increasingly desperate and hysterical attempts -- grounded in the fear that Romanov will turn things around -- to discredit Hearts and recognise a potentially good thing for Scotland and Edinburgh when they see it.

By the way 51m is a drop in the ocean compared with rangers potential 700m stadium investment! Why not get your calculators out on that one?
289

Lenny,

16/01/2008 16:36:29
We didnt think it was possible but recently a Jam,bo version of Mixu6-2 has been posting. Step forward........Rolland.

No Jambo can complain about Mixus posts while this guy is on the loose.
290

mrhibs07,

16/01/2008 16:37:46
#317 Ihave no doubt he would have played on saturday, had a decent offer had not come in. And that's probably what Mixu was meaning in his statement. Like i said earlier, better to make 2 mil than his agent making him walk away for nothing.
291

king franco,

DUNFERMLINE 16/01/2008 16:37:54
I'm a Hearts fan however at the moment in time, i'd love Hearts to be selling players. To sell a player, it means they have been performing well for the club. No one in the Hearts squad is worth selling apart from Kingston, Velicka and maybe Driver. On the plus side, thats one less experienced player to think about against Hibs.
292

king franco,

DUNFERMLINE 16/01/2008 16:39:03
Good bit of business from Hibs. Is he worth it though? Only worth what the buying club are willing to pay.
293

Vlad Magic,

16/01/2008 16:39:46
Petrie is just asset stripping Hibs into submission. How long before Boozy goes next?

tick tock.
294

Jeremiah,

16/01/2008 16:40:12
Looks like a certain kevin keegan has opted for newcastle instead of hearts,
Let all say at once AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH.
295

king franco,

DUNFERMLINE 16/01/2008 16:41:26
329, Have Hearts made it public that Keegan was on the Shortlist? Another pointless comment!
296

erin go' bragh 1875,

edinburgh council planning dept 16/01/2008 16:41:54
VERMIN...............

BE LIE VE................BE LI VE..........

So a couple ay art students fae hairy t wat uni dae a wee drawin an aw you'se are creamin yirsell....

lits see oan setirday.....VERMIN
297

Jeremiah,

16/01/2008 16:42:36
325 HIBS HAVE AGREED, £1-8 million from birmingham for the player.no luck old infirm.
298

Rolland,

16/01/2008 16:42:53
Now Lenny what have I done to upset you, you poor wee soul. Is it the thought that you've been shafted again and Murphy has left thats prompted these ramblings ? Is it the worry you'll get your comeuppence this weekend that has you worried ? Why bring me into at that stage, you bitter and twisted little hobo, now jog on sonny, When are Leeds going to prise the lanky giraffe away from fester road. As I said jog on sonny.
299

GorgieX1,

16/01/2008 16:43:34
331

go away back to the other board with that nonsense
300

Gorgie's Finest,

16/01/2008 16:43:56
#331
I see the use of the english language is something you have yet to master
301

Jeremiah,

16/01/2008 16:44:30
Franco > V <
302

Vlad Magic,

16/01/2008 16:45:08
I can feel a mass PMSL at the Hibs coming on

1
2
3
PMSL!!!
303

victor ian,

16/01/2008 16:45:29
hobos, you can't put this one leaving down to him not getting on with 6pack, not now that 'always ultra' is in charge.
304

Lenny,

16/01/2008 16:46:17
Rolland

I just see you as the Jambo Mixu62, thats all. You should be pleased, Mixu is well liked round these parts. Every one of your posts is just infinate ramblings about Hibs, much in the same way Mixu posts.

We were all expecting Murphy to be sold so no problems there. Good luck to him I say, he belongs in the Premiership.

You should be more concerned about your won team. Manager in place yet?

305

Lenny,

16/01/2008 16:47:37
Thats should have read 'own team'. Won team would imply that Hearts actually win games. And thats just silly.
306

Pedantic_Hibee,

16/01/2008 16:47:54
Jeez, two draws at home and plans for a stadium and they've collectively got their appendages out once more. It doesn't take much.

You'll be swinging those appendages into the wind fairly shortly I predict.
307

Roscoe P Coltrane,

16/01/2008 16:48:40
Lenny, he needs to use a lot more capitals and repetition of the same (pointless) point many times a day over a period of months before we can compare him to the peerless PC Mixu!!

It's Mixu's dedication to "the task in hand" that's the most amusing thing.......

Plus he's a polisman, honest, he is, so we'd better not mess.
308

streetwise,

Some where in my head, 16/01/2008 16:53:24
We had over 50,000,Hearts supporters at a friendly at the start of the season,surely it would make more sense for Vlad to buy Murrayfield,and redevelop Tynie,Christ its just round the corner,and the facilities are A1,must be cheaper in the long run,and with most of the children on the east coast of Scotland now being brought up as Hearts supporters,as well as most kids in the World,in ten years we are going to need an even bigger ground.
309

Prof,

16/01/2008 17:01:20
#342 You wish. Next thing you'll be telling us that you beleive in santa and hibs winning the cup.
310

Bhoyed,

16/01/2008 17:01:22
#338 Victor you have to be the most irritating tw@t that ever sat at a keyboard. You support a mickey mouse club, yet you post on here as if they are Barcelona!
You call people Hobos, make up songs that a 5 year old would be embarrassed to call their own, try and come up with "funny" names for Mixu P and you pontificate about everything. You really are a tw@t of the highest order and your mickey mouse club(2 trophies in 50 years, but a big club!?!) are the same.

Get out more you might meet the man of your dreams!
311

bonspeil,

16/01/2008 17:02:27
It's kind of depressing that a potential development like this that will not cost the taxpayer a penny, yet will benefit the area is immediately shot down by small-minded, parochial dullards. I supported Hands off Hibs but having second thoughts now if this is their attitude.

As an aside, it is good to be sceptical of Romanov. However, Tynecastle is not the only stadium development on his plate...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traktor_Stadium

Or is that for flats as well? Could it be that developments like these are good for UKIO's portfolio as they look for more development work around the world?
312

Big Dipper,

16/01/2008 17:03:02
Maybe Hearts have a Northern Rock mortgage lined up !
313

Big Dipper,

16/01/2008 17:04:58
On the never never !!
314

Prof,

16/01/2008 17:06:02
#346 Unfortunatly Hearts and Hibs have never been able to gain the same benefits as the OF from bigotry.
315

just a jambo,

16/01/2008 17:06:05
another player from hibvermin on his bike,the pond life have accepted a offer from birmingham.murphy is away to talk wages.106 years and counting.
316

Hobo Harry,

16/01/2008 17:07:28
347 bonspeil, Re your second thoughts about supporting Hands off Hibs. We accept your resignation.

Arf arf arf
317

Gorgie's Finest,

16/01/2008 17:07:30
#346
If you dont like the comments do one to your own stinking boards.....jog on son
318

Rolland,

16/01/2008 17:09:41
Lenny - Just so your up to date with Hearts stories no one in place yet, have you sold anyone else today ?

Not really bothered, but wouldn't mind that lanky streek of p15h leaving for Leeds before Saturday.
319

Jam Tarts 1874,

On the Rebound 16/01/2008 17:10:40
#346. That would be 7 trophies in 50 years.

As you support a club who's fans come to Tynecastle and chant "oh ah up the RA", your presence is particularly unwelcome.
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bonspeil,

16/01/2008 17:13:53
#352 No thanks necessary. Glad to have done my bit. Personally I'd be more interested in talking to fellow fans about the last star player in your team being sold, but if you all want to rubbish the submission of some pretty decent development plans....
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GorgieX1,

16/01/2008 17:14:05
#355

can we leave the politic to the politics articles
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Jam Tarts 1874,

On the Rebound 16/01/2008 17:15:33
#331. Are you not usually watching CBeebies at this time of the day?
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Jam Tarts 1874,

On the Rebound 16/01/2008 17:17:57
#357. I think you will find that sectarianism is very much part of the game in Scotland. People like Bhoyed need to be reminded of the disgraceful behaviour of their fans as often as possible.
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GorgieX1,

16/01/2008 17:18:06
359

falkirk?
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GrahamL,

16/01/2008 17:20:09
TommyTommy - you've been quiet today. If you take the time to read through the posts on this story already you'll find most of the answers to your questions.
I know that won't stop you coming back and asking them again mind, but what the hey...
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Bhoyed,

16/01/2008 17:20:17
#355 I think your accountants welcome us!
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Jam Tarts 1874,

On the Rebound 16/01/2008 17:20:19
#359. lol! Another amateur accountant!
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Gorgie's Finest,

16/01/2008 17:20:31
haha right on cue the obsessive moron tommytommy appears.

Explain the administration now son?

were all still waiting on you providing your evidence to back up all your allegations. we are still interested since you keep reffering to other clubs which clubs this is?

Even when we have provided you with FACTS and evidence you still cannot back up your own claims.
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GorgieX1,

16/01/2008 17:20:44
360

sectarianism is part and parcel of the game....in Edinburgh? I dont remember shouting any sectarian remarks any time i have been to the game....although there are a few around me, mainly young boys who bring union jacks to the games, especiall celtic games, did ask why they didn't have a st andrews cross, to which i was promptly told to f?!k off. Not part and parcel of being a hearts fan i'm afraid
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Jam Tarts 1874,

On the Rebound 16/01/2008 17:21:23
#363. So that makes your despicable support for a terrorist orgainisation OK then does it?
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Bhoyed,

16/01/2008 17:22:34
#360 I think you need to look closer to home, how does the Gorgie boys song go? Up to our knees in F****n blood?

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bonspeil,

16/01/2008 17:24:05
#359

A debt backed project gets Hearts fans in a frenzy.

Did TF buy Hibs with cash then?

Who will the debt be against?

It's being funded by an investment company - do you not get that concept. Hearts, including the ground, are not worth 51m - it's INVESTMENT.

Who will take profits -assuming the project gets off the ground and makes money.?

The investors naturally, but as it will be making money everyone will be happy.

Others have ventured where Romanov is going and disappeared with the debt they created.

Whit?

So far £40 million. Tomorrow?

Please link to a source for 40m.

By the way another club not a stone throw away from Edinburgh built two new stands and went bust two years later.

Which club? Livingston? Last I looked they were still alive with a tiny fraction of the fan base of Hearts.
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Jam Tarts 1874,

On the Rebound 16/01/2008 17:24:10
#366. I am much older than you then. It has taken a long time to drive sectarianism out of Tynecastle and Easter Road. Both sets of fans were happy to chant all the bile that the old firm fans are still coming out with.

I repeat again, sectarianism is rife in the Scottish game, if you can't see that then I am afraid you are blind.
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GorgieX1,

16/01/2008 17:25:11
368
excellent, that's the reply that was bound to come, get a grip on reality and leave politics tro the politicians, you are scottish not irish, your team is scottish not irish, try a bit of patriotism for your own country
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Gorgie's Finest,

16/01/2008 17:25:29
#368
think you will find those words have been changed for some time now, shows how much you pay attention.
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mrhibs07,

16/01/2008 17:25:47
#367,368. Come on lads. Lets n1p this subject in the bud.
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RangersThroughAndThrough,

Scotland 16/01/2008 17:27:09
I think that this project (if all goes well with the planning application and financial support) shows that Romanov might not know much about football but he is a shrewd business man. Like David Murray he is looking at other avenues for generating larger incomes for the football club. A hotel, office space etc. is precisely the type areas that all of Scotland’s teams should be looking towards. These types of venture will inevitably guarantee re-occurring income. Given the popularity of Edinburgh, Hibs could also quite easily follow suit and be very successful.

Now I'm not saying that Rangers will proceed with a 700million pound project (David Murray has said he is considering a number of proposals - he can't help it if the press naturally latch onto the most expensive), but certainly the Casino effort was for real and the regeneration of the area around Ibrox will happen. Similarly Celtic have a number of initiatives. Celtic is successfully bringing in players from the Far East, (well known players with reputations in these countries). Promoting the brand and the club in these areas. In a similar, but lesser, extent to Beckhams move to the states.
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GorgieX1,

16/01/2008 17:28:30
370

you are much older than me, if you are which i doubt it's time to act it then, dont rise to the bait of old firm fans. and as for bigotry being driven out it seems not, the idiot celtic fan never made any political comment although you did, seem you may have a bit of a chip on your shoulder, if not i apologise if i paicked that up wrong
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bonspeil,

16/01/2008 17:29:24
PPPPPS. For those who consider hearts to be in crisis, I suggest you cool your jets until the club appears on this excellent site:

www.clubsincrisis.com

Many clubs have problems. Hearts, apart form on the pitch right now, none that worry knowledgeable followers of such things.
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Gorgie's Finest,

16/01/2008 17:30:36
#373
Best post from a hobo all day and totally agree with you. That sort of thing is wanted neither at tynecastle or easter road same as these forums typical fan from an OF team to bring that subject up.

#374
Good post and is what we have been trying to explain to some of our less educated hobo friends for some time now
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Bhoyed,

16/01/2008 17:32:33
#372 Not from where I was standing they were not! Also, what would you call it when the Hearts fans were booing the minutes silence for Pope John Paul?

#368 Your post at #366 would suggest that bigotry is alive and kicking amongst the Hearts fans when Celtic come to take over your town.
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andyhibee2485,

16/01/2008 17:34:43
Wow, never have I seen so much pish spouted in one place, fantastic stuff.

The stadium plans look fantastic and would be a hugely positive step for HoM. I'm not going to get involved in all the financial implications, I am no expert in the rather dull field of economics. All I would say is that it would nice for mr Romanov to just explain things clearly then there would be no need for the constant speculation re debt levels etc.

As to Hearts ability to fill a 23,000 stadium, they obviously have the potential, even a 40,000 is not a completely fantasy. It is, however, completely dependent upon results on the field. If hearts were to continue this season in the same vein surely season ticket sales will plummet (much as will hibs)and stadium expansion will seem rather superfluous. Perhaps news regardning managers or signings will be forthcoming, time will tell.
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mrhibs07,

16/01/2008 17:35:06
#377 Cheers GF. Things were a bit of a laugh, until that subject reared it's very ugly head. I, like you follow my team, for the football.
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mrhibs07,

16/01/2008 17:38:46
#378 Bhoyed. GO AWAY. Go on a Glasgow paper with your nonsense. It's not welcome in our Edinburgh one.
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rosco.1875,

16/01/2008 17:40:12
Couple of quick points for the deluded pink masses.

1) All hibbies knew murph would be away 1 day. The guy has always said he wants to go down south. He is English after all. Got him for nowt, £2m+ is brilliant for an SPL player that cost us nowt.

2) Talking about Petrie and STF stealing money from Hibs??? The Hibs accounts are published every year, the people you mention are accountable. Our club isn't a madman's play thing. What happened to £8m for plooky?

You are talking about long term gains with this new stand/investment, very good.
If you'd look at Hibs in the same light, you'd see that we just about own our stadium, training complex and just about out of debt. In future, there will be nothing else to spend on apart from the playing squad. While your scrapping away to stay afloat with your £90m debt or whatever the hell it is.

Bigger picture boys. Its night and day.
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Gorgie's Finest,

16/01/2008 17:41:39
#372
Ill treat you and your comments with the contempt they deserve, but i will ask you one thing, what about the disrespect you paid towards the queen mother?

I can personally say and whether you like this or not i dont care, i observer the minutes silence of the pope at hampden that day through clenched teeth. Why? because of a number of reasons, 1. religion has nothing to do with football and should never have been brought into it at a game. 2.when i want to pay my respects to someone i will in my own way in my own time not because iam being told to.

It was for those reasons i was not happy to do it, but as i say i did. out of respect only for my club not for you lot or for the pope. Those who chose to boo the silence i cannot answer for
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bonspeil,

16/01/2008 17:47:06
#382 It is indeed night and day. There's no point comparing Hibs and Hearts. Even pre-Romanov when the two teams had similar financial backing Hearts have consistently come out top more often than not. The difference is that one team shows ambition and wants to challenge the OF and one doesn't.
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16/01/2008 17:48:08
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Gorgie's Finest,

16/01/2008 17:49:43
#382
You dont just about own your stadium farmer owns the deeds on this, and this was never part of your original debt so to buy it from him you would have to go into debt again. This i might add is information ive been told from a hibs shareholder my boss.

about murphy do not come on here with the rest of the hibs fans saying your not bothered about it you must be. you were only told a few days ago he would not be sold.

As for stealing from your club. how many years did the old board skim from the club before it was discovered. do you think everything is always declared? you lot go on about vlad being illegal and fraudulent in his dealings its easy to assume given the amount of money that has come in at easter road and the lack of any being spent it is disapearing elsewhere.
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mcjambo,

16/01/2008 17:52:20
why dont hearts get bednar back from west brom? or sell him 2 someone else should be worth about £4million wi his form just now?
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GrahamL,

16/01/2008 18:01:03
#387 Bednar says he doesn't want to come back. I guess he might change his mind if we got a real manager, but we don't know how much vlad has buggered him about while he's been at Hearts.
Nevertheless he should be worth a few bob by now - he's done very well at West Brom.
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Gorgie's Finest,

16/01/2008 18:06:47
#388
If the hobos can get 2mill+ for that wee bawbag murphy, surely we must be looking or something like 3million+ for bednar given he is banging the goals in as well.
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GrahamL,

16/01/2008 18:10:04
#389 Well, if Velicka's worth £2m!
Good business by Hibs though - £2m. Thats a good 50% more than we were offered for Goncalves...
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king franco,

DUNFERMLINE 16/01/2008 18:11:38
£2.5 min for Bednar. Sell him now. Get rid of a player that doesnt want to play for Hearts again. Hearts should be trying to do this.
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victor ian,

BHOYED CAMPAIGN 16/01/2008 18:31:33
lads, take it from me, the BHOYED character is probably best ignored. i've had many dealings with it in the past. this is one of the most despicable, trouble making, bitter, twisted, unreasonable, argumentative, holier-than-thou dipstick i have seen on the forum.

his M.O. is to insinuate the issue of sectarianism into a thread, get everyone posting comments about it, completely exonerate celtic fans from any involvement in sectarianism and bigotry, accuse all hearts fans of being bigotted, then finally run away like a cowardly little rat.

that is the thing it feeds off. he knows he will always get a reaction to his accusations and spleen venting.

let's have a BHOYED campaign. let's cut off his source of 'oxygen' by completely ignoring the snivelling little worm.

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Gorgie's Finest,

16/01/2008 18:38:56
went all quiet on here now, the hobos must be finnished school or grounded using daddys pc.

Mixu went into hiding fairly quickly as soon as he made his admission of being on his knees and murphy story broke.
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Hibernian fc '' Erin go Bragh '' '' 1875 '',

16/01/2008 18:39:51
COULD WELL BE TRUE WASPY! AT LEAST THE HIBS FANS DON'T GET STUNG EVERY OTHER SATURDAY.
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Gorgie's Finest,

16/01/2008 18:40:51
spoke to sson one of them has sneaked on while his parents aren't looking
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GrahamL,

16/01/2008 18:41:31
#394 It's half six - tea and Hollyoaks before bedtime surely?
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Mixu 6-2,

16/01/2008 18:44:03
georgie's worst: seems like spelling aint a strong point in your life................

finished only got 1(n)............
soon and not sson.............
pillock...............
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HIBEES__FOREVER,

16/01/2008 18:46:36
Good luck to you guys.

You can't blame the rest of the football world having some doubts though.

Aberdeen plan a new stadium for about 30-40m , you are doing ONE stand plus add on's for 51m and about 7000 extra seats.
Hmm....
When you get the go-ahead shout some more , when the work starts shout louder.

When it's ready to host it's first game then ram it down or throats and say TOLD YOU SO.

But until then based on Vlads record I would wait.
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victor ian,

16/01/2008 18:49:57
#398 mixu erse, f/o ya pathetic, useless wee cockroach. if pulling folk up for typos is the best you can do then you really are one sad sad sad little insect.

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GrahamL,

16/01/2008 18:52:53
#398 "georgie's"???
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victor ian,

16/01/2008 18:54:21
#393 waspy, yeah it's hilarious that the hobos haven't placed too much emphasis on their own stadium redevelopment situation. it fits in with the general day-to-day obsession they have with us, at the expense of any interest in their own affairs.

they are a strange breed.

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HIBEES__FOREVER,

16/01/2008 19:14:34
404

Like we were first game of the season......
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victor ian,

16/01/2008 19:15:02
#403 waspy, you're right, soz the red mist came down.

gorgie's finest, a few more members for the forum anyway, it's a start. when i was on i noticed there were about 7/8 other guests on.

hobos snooping about me thinks.

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Mixu 6-2,

16/01/2008 19:21:27
waspy no they will not be out (thier) their depth............

http://talkothetoon.......................

HA-HA-HA-HA
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Gorgie's Finest,

16/01/2008 19:24:25
thats me back after my little venture up to the shops.

#398
mixu there is a difference between spelling mistakes and typos.

What does georgie's come under?

remember now the o and e key is at seperate ends of the keyboard.

#406
Hi VI yeah i noticed a few more have joined up m8, u happy with your promotion? lol

In case anyone else is interested

http://talkothetoon.freeforums.org/index.php
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Gorgie's Finest,

16/01/2008 19:26:15
#407
Mixu let me remind you if that was you on the site in the last 15 mins i have your IP address need i say more ;-)
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Jam Tarts 1874,

On the Rebound 16/01/2008 19:31:41
#399. Well, there you go. If you are going to make comments at least try to get your facts correct.

The £51m development is not just the cost of the new main stand, it is also for the hotel, offices, residential apartments and leisure buildings outwith the stand.

What are Petrie and Farmer going to do with the money from Murhpy? A new pie stand for the decrepit East Stand perhaps?
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victor ian,

16/01/2008 19:32:01
#408 GF, i saw that!!! what was that about? the forum is in danger of being a free-for-all if i was moderating!!!

#409 GF, gold dust!!!!
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Jam Tarts 1874,

On the Rebound 16/01/2008 19:34:05
#392. You are correct, I should have ignored him.
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Gorgie's Finest,

16/01/2008 19:34:26
#411
haha i trust your judgment did you get the email i sent ya via the forums?

And yeah its gold dust ill sell it to the highest bidder :-)
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jmcmil,

16/01/2008 19:35:51
414

I owe him.

£5