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Published Date: 07 February 2009
FORMER Northern Ireland First Minister David Trimble has branded Alex Salmond "the Artful Dodger of politics", and claimed Scottish voters frustrated with Labour had "bounced the wrong way" when they backed the SNP at the last Holyrood elections.
In an exclusive interview with the Evening News, the former Ulster Unionist leader – now a Conservative peer – also said a working relationship with London was essential to making a success of devolution.

And he dismissed calls for Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish MPs to be banned from voting on English issues at Westminster.

Lord Trimble was in Edinburgh to speak at a series of Tory party functions and visit Holyrood, and he

insisted the Nationalists had no long-term answers to Scotland's socio-economic problems.

He said: "Alex is the Artful Dodger of politics and he will have a charmed existence for some time, but he can't actually deliver a solution to the real problems.

"When Scottish people come to make a judgement, they will not be judging the different atmosphere created by the shift in political balance, they will be looking to see what has been the concrete achievement."

And he said Mr Salmond had been unable to influence the financial crisis.

"Scottish society had a huge emotional and political investment in the big Scottish banks and the collapse was a traumatic event – and, for that, Alex Salmond was a bystander.

"That one thing underlines a basic message – at the end of the day, the Scottish Parliament is a devolved structure operating within the fiscal and financial framework provided by the UK.

"That was something we were very conscious of in Northern Ireland. We didn't have any illusions about our position. We knew if we wanted to succeed we had to develop a working relationship with that government."

Lord Trimble claimed decades of Labour dominance had failed Scotland and claimed what was needed was "a right-of-centre administration".

He said: "I can understand people being frustrated with Labour, but they have bounced to the wrong alternative.

"The only centre-right party in Scotland, the party that can deliver a difference in terms of socio-economic issues, is the Conservative Party.

"It might take more than one election before the people of Scotland realise this. And going through and exhausting the SNP alternative is probably a necessary rite of passage."

Lord Trimble said he was confident the Tories would win the next UK election – and make gains in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

On suggestions that only English MPs should vote on English matters, he said: "There is only one sovereign parliament in the UK, end of story. Power devolved is power retained.

"If you start trying to restructure the sovereign parliament because of devolution you are actually doing huge damage."

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  • Last Updated: 07 February 2009 10:27 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Scottish National Party
 
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Wardog™,

07/02/2009 10:42:33


"...insisted the Nationalists had no long-term answers to Scotland's socio-economic problems......"


AHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA


next
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Wardog™,

07/02/2009 10:43:21


"....he said Mr Salmond had been unable to influence the financial crisis...."

HEADLINE: TORIES BACK FULL FISCAL AUTONOMY
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Wardog™,

07/02/2009 10:48:11


Ulster Unionism joins forces with Ulster Unionism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEsFtiruIok&feature=related
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Colkitto,

River Clyde 07/02/2009 10:57:49
Just the ramblings of another brit unionist.
Doesn't matter what unionist party they belong to they are all beginning to sound the same.
They have no answer to the SNP or Salmond and all they can do is come out with the same boring heard it all before rhetoric.
And the you also have unionist newspapers like the Scotsman who have now reverted to making up stories in their propaganda war against nationalists.
It's all becoming quite pathetic really.....
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Curley Bill,

07/02/2009 10:59:46
Mr Trimble dispays the rare quality of being right and wrong at the same time.
He's right when he says:'...at the end of the day, the Scottish Parliament is a devolved structure operating within the fiscal and financial framework provided by the UK.'
But he's wrong when he thinks that a Conservative-led administration in Holyrood is what Scotland needs.
Ok, Annabel displays the ability to appear reasonable and work with the SNP, but does anyone really believe this is more than a mask of expediency?
If she was First Minister we'd be back to the tried and true Tory methods of slamming the working class - as demonstrated to a lesser degree by Labour.
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Daveunderwater,

07/02/2009 11:07:03
Another sleaze monger

HE politician who was in charge of council housing while the system was being abused should resign, says a leading Liberal Democrat.

Labour member Coun David Trimble was portfolio holder for housing during the period investigated by the Audit Commission.

The watchdog uncovered systematic failures in the allocation of houses between 2003 and 2005, in which associates of senior officers received homes.

Council houses have been wrongly allocated to employees of the housing service as well as their partners and relatives.

City council leader Coun Jon Collins is "appalled" by the report and has passed it to Notts Police, who are yet to say if they will investigate.


The Audit Commission report, published this week, said councillors could not be held responsible.

It states: "Senior councillors were not given the right information by senior officers to perform their role effectively".

But today opposition councillors said that was no excuse for not providing effective scrutiny of a failing service.

Coun Gary Long, leader of the Liberal Democrats, said: "David Trimble ought to resign. "He was the portfolio holder during the whole of the audit period. If he did not know things were bad, and he says he did not, then he should have done. The politician responsible should take responsibility for something as serious as this."

Another Liberal Democrat Coun Tony Sutton said it was inconceivable that senior Labour councillors did not know there could be a problem in the allocation of council houses.
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Wardog™,

07/02/2009 11:10:02


Shocking Headline really

'Salmond twists the knife into Salmond"......

Coming only weeks after a knife summit where unionists were all a flurry about Kenny McKaskill not being able to attend.


Simply shows how insincere the unionist are and how fundamental there opposition to a democratic referendum actually is.


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Daveunderwater,

Oliver Twist 07/02/2009 11:18:15
Oliver - Alex Salmond
Ian Gray - Fagan?
George Foulkes - Bill Sykes?
Dod Broon - Mister Bumble?
David Trimble - Mr Limbkins?

More? He asked for more fiscal autonomy?
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brownlie,

07/02/2009 11:22:17
Is there no end to the head-line writer's ability to put an anti-SNP spin on just about every pathetic article?
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Wardog™,

07/02/2009 11:33:33


10. LOL
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Wardog™,

07/02/2009 11:36:39

10. DODGER BROWN
I'll do anything
For UN-ION anything
For UN-ION means everything to me.

I'll go anywhere
For UN-ION, anywhere --
For UN-ION, ev'rywhere --
I'd go!

RUFUS T FIREFLY
Would you dither on 10p TAX?

DODGER BROWN
Anything!

RUFUS T FIREFLY
Would you paper over Policy CRACKS?

DODGER BROWN
Anything!

RUFUS T FIREFLY
Would you admit you've feart o the GNATS?

DODGER BROWN
Anything!

RUFUS T FIREFLY
Even support the Tory Council TAX?

DODGER BROWN
I'd risk EVERYTHING
For UN-ION -- EVERYTHING
Yes, I'd do anything...

RUFUS T FIREFLY
EVERYTHING?!

DODGER BROWN
Everything for UN-ION!!

RUFUS T FIREFLY
'Ere now, Smee, you just copy and sing along!
Dodger and I'll help you out with the words, alright?
So it's "I'll do anything"

Smee
I'll do anything

MAGGIE CURRAN
For UN-ION......

Smee
For UN-ION, ANYTHING

RUFUS T FIREFLY
For UN-ION means.....

Smee
For the UN-ION means EVERYTHING to me

RUFUS T FIREFLY
Ah, that's lovely.

Smee
I know that
I'd go anywhere
For UN-ION, anywhere --
For UN-ION, everywhere
I'd see

AM2
Are you Proud to be Blue?

Smee
Anything!

Sam
Are you really a racist like me too?

Smee
Anything!

Tinman
Could I be a unionist just like you?

Smee
Anything!

Salem
Tax-breaks for the Middle Classes, thankyou!

Smee
Anything!

I'd risk ev'rything
For UN-ION -- everything --
Yes, I'd do anything

RUFUS T FIREFLY
Anything?!

Smee
Anything for the UN-ION!!

DODGER BROWN
Dance! Wendy...... Dance!

RUFUS T FIREFLY
Oh, alright, Dodger. C'mon boys!
1-2-3... ANYTHING, I'D DO ANYTHING, ANYTHING for UN-ION
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Mallory,

Edinburgh 07/02/2009 11:49:33
LOL 1690
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Vivas,

Edinburgh 07/02/2009 12:07:17
I like how Swanson brands this as an "exclusive interview". It reads more like a statement or opinion-piece. I would love to see what questions were asked by Swanson to prompt these answers. More like... "if you could just talk into the microphone your lordship, and I'll type it all up later. Just say whatever you want".

And so we get Trimble telling the Scots they were too thick to make the right voting decisions at the last election... that'll fairly see the EEN flying off the counter today won't it ...
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Figgy,

07/02/2009 12:08:29
Wardog's obviously been brought up in a hate filled house, where poisonous attitudes are the norm. We need more David Trimbles, to expose the tartan trannies, who preach Scottish identity, but in reality, spew out anti everything else venom.

Charming little man wardog is.
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Figgy,

07/02/2009 12:15:00
Michael Matheson Scottish Nationalistic MSP and complete clown's words recently. Now compare and contrast with the words of Trimble. I would reckon, most intelligent people, would guess who's the real bigot of the two. Remember Scotland, Michael is only doing this in the interests of the anti bigotry campaigners.....aye right!


"SNP MSP Michael Matheson said: “It is important that the police and football clubs are aware of the sinister background to this song, and take the appropriate action against individuals and groups who use it at matches or in other situations to taunt Catholics.”

The church says the title derives from “hocus-pocus”. The phrase is said to ridicule the words used by priests in the Eucharist, “hoc est enim corpus meum”, or “this is my body”.
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Figgy,

07/02/2009 12:16:35
no20

Please speak English Sir, I have no idea what you are gibbering about. However I have checked my passport and it says I'm British.

Who's wrong? you or the passport office?

Anti English nutter speaks garbage on the Scotsman shocker.........................
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Figgy,

07/02/2009 12:31:07
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I can just see you now. Sitting in yer wee Highland midden, reeking of old whisky and slightly red of face. Watching old black and white images of Scotland, cursing those English bassas and wishing for those heady dats of running through the heather again.

News alert*******

We are British and wish to remain so. Not one election, have we Scots voted for independence. Get used to it Hamish.
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Dark Lochnagar,

Symington 07/02/2009 12:37:04
Figgy. Re-Trimble. I won't take any lectures from an orangeman who had to be sidelined before any peace could come to NI. I have the misfortune to live in Ayrshire where there still are some villages that paint streets red, white and blue round about July. We've all seen the scruff that follow orange parades or come over from Ireland to support Rangers.Come into the 21st century and I'll listen to your comments.
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Dark Lochnagar,

Symington 07/02/2009 12:38:44
P.S. Not that it matters but to rebutt your first thought, I am a Protestant who supports Ayr Utd.
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Roger Rabbitt,

Glasgow 07/02/2009 12:41:09
Forgive if if I am mistaken but has Scotland ceased to be part of the U.K.
My passport has been issued in the name of Her Most Britannic Majesty Queen Elizabeth.
Alec salmond , Nicola Sturgeon, ( a bit fishy if you ask me) et al. Would have you believe that the abolition of the union would be good for scotland.
RUBBISH.
English companies with offices and factories would desert a sinking ship and leave us to flouder. Oil will eventually run out and our only major income would be from Whisky.
The income given to the "Scottish Parliament" would dissappear and the bail out of the Scottish financial institutions would not have happened.
Please remember that the union arose because the Scotland of the time was "Broke" following the Darrien Expedition which was doomed to failure even before it started.
This has nothing to do with sectarianism although Liam O'Pressed and his mates would like you to think this.
It has more to do with Mr Salmond trying to please everyone and ending up pleasing no-one.
As Anabell Goldie said " He would rather open a tin of beans than open a meaningful debate.
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steve 1511,

aberdeen 07/02/2009 12:45:23
if this paper was to print some unbais and honest reports about the true status of politics in scotland and the u k they would see an increase in its circulation instead of the downward spiral in sales it has,the constant attack against the snp and their support for labour or anyone else who will attack the snp does not reflect what the people of scotland actually see on a day to day basis
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Roger Rabbitt,

07/02/2009 12:45:24
Macgillicuddy REEKS
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Figgy,

07/02/2009 12:52:03
Oh dear! the true face of Scottish nationalism rises to the surface. Bigotry, anti Protestant racism, anti English venom and attacking anyone with a differing view.

Yep! you people make me want to vote SNP.

Now we have attacks on Rangers, the Union flag, Orangemen and Ayrshire citzens. Is there anything these horrendous bigots don't hate?

Welcome to the wee insular world of the hate filled Nationalist.
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Gussie Fink-Nottle,

07/02/2009 12:53:46
#13 Wardog, you have to post that on your blog. Veh funny.
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Figgy,

07/02/2009 13:02:43
A britnazi bwhahahahahahaha

Coming fromwee Hamish, who hates Orangemen, Unionist, English people, democracy, fellow Scots and just about everyone else in Scotland.

What a sad wee man you are Hamish.
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Tris,

07/02/2009 13:04:40
#17. Yes. You got there before me.

Who cares what this Tory Peer says?

It doesn't impact on Scotland.
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Figgy,

07/02/2009 13:05:37
Here's a wee tip Hamish..

Look at the number of the post, then check just to the right and you'll notice the posters name.

So for instance Hamish.

No 45 and then look right...it says what?

You really are a dullard son!
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Roger Rabbitt,

07/02/2009 13:06:53
I do apologise for a slight typographical error in my last post.Pointing out this however does not contribute to the debate.
If you are not happy living within the United Kingdon of Great Britain & Northern Ireland then I suggest you go somewhere else after all you will not achieve anything via the ballot box as Figgy has already stated 75% of Scots want no truck with independance.
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07/02/2009 13:07:22
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Figgy,

07/02/2009 13:09:22
Roger

He's as thick as Alex Salmond's waistline is the dullard. He hates Orangemen and Unionists, is he Michael Matheson?

Just the kind of Scotland we all want, isn't it?

Run by anti Protestant headbangers, with a tendency for hating English people as well.

Charming these nats.
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Figgy,

07/02/2009 13:10:42
29 seconds between Roger's posts and mine there James, some going.

That old paranoid whiff of an anti British Republican.

Bye dullard.
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Roger Rabbitt,

07/02/2009 13:15:06
Figgy,

Since he's the only one posting on this subject I can only assume that he's doing this to wind you & I up.
He wont say anything about Michael Matheson because he believes this rubbish.
He thinks that if you are against Independance you are a Protestant Unionist who's also a member of the Orange Institution of Scotland I'm surprised he hasn't mentioned Masonic Plots yet.
I imagine he is a plastic paddie with the Login he has.
He is a small minded BIGOT.
The words of a banned song come to mind.....
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london calling,

07/02/2009 13:47:43
T'was it not Mr Alex"cap in hand" Salmond who went to westminster recently with his begging bowl,save our banks please.
With the financial system in ruins and no scottish industry as such,one wonders how many "see you jimmy" hats would need to have been sold if Scotland had independence?
Still you can stick to the fags,booze and smack and
continue to believe you are the greatest wee country in the world...
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wuggles,

Glasgow UK. 07/02/2009 15:09:24
Ayrshire where there still are some villages that paint streets red, white and blue round about July. We've all seen the scruff that follow orange parades or come over from Ireland to support Rangers.Come into the 21st century and I'll listen to your comments.
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Mr self loather 29 has obviously never driven through Royston then.


For all the Hamish's on here,ask yourself why your beloved leader still takes his Westminster salary if he hates it that much.
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Wardog™,

07/02/2009 15:45:53

Figgy = Rufus

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Wardog™,

07/02/2009 15:47:36
18. Figgy

The only "hate filled house, where poisonous attitudes are the norm. ...." in Scotland is the Fundamentalist Unionist cause and it's masonic lodge home.....

Keep your bigotry to yersel wee man.

There's no place for you in Scotland, your a dinosaur

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radge dug,

07/02/2009 15:57:56
Trimble is the bigot who marched triumphantly with Iain Paisley through a Catholic area of Belfast with the other braindoners in the Orange Order.

This is the face of Unionism. Labour and Libdems seem happy to have bedfellows like Trimble, the Orange Order and the BNP.
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radge dug,

07/02/2009 15:58:55
End religion.
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Otis B. Driftwood,

Abroad. 07/02/2009 16:00:40
Wow! This one really brought them out in force. So much pent up hatred. Vent your spleens boys!
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Eric D,

07/02/2009 16:05:53
Correct, they have no answer to our endemic socio-economic problems,they have simply airbrushed the 'scrummy estates', and welfare problem out of existence.

As the Easterhouses and Caltons worsen, the SNP send millions abroad to far off places such as Malawi,when our own problems are every bit as bad. Time for a change.
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francois meter-on,

holiday home in tranent 07/02/2009 17:31:33
trimble - bigot
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British flag,

07/02/2009 17:34:26
74. religion is the root of all evil,but trimble is correct in his analysis of salmond.
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British flag,

07/02/2009 17:47:45
82. Why is trimble a bigot? or is it something that you say 'cause you can't think of a sensible reply!
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 07/02/2009 17:51:16
15 - a fluteplayer writes
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 07/02/2009 17:52:23
20 a North Brit writes
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Daveunderwater,

Hand in Hand 07/02/2009 17:52:55
Paisley is a former member of the Orange Institution.[30] He addresses the annual gathering of the Independent Orange Order every Twelfth of July.
In 1995, he played a part in the Drumcree conflict over marching at Drumcree, County Armagh between the Orange Order and local residents of the Garvaghy Road. The march passed off after the decision was made by the Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC) to allow it and Paisley ended the march hand in hand with David Trimble who appeared to perform a "Victory Jig". This "Victory Jig" was seen by some as an act of triumphalism.[31]
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Daveunderwater,

07/02/2009 17:53:48
Dancing to a Paisley Jig eh?
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 07/02/2009 17:54:43
58 - figgy, fellow prod, you slaver a load of mince
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Daveunderwater,

07/02/2009 17:54:50
I wonder if his bowler hat fell off when he danced the jig?
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British flag,

07/02/2009 17:56:14
88.I asked the question first! so please if you can ANSWER IT!
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Daveunderwater,

Bowlered Bigots Bully Community 07/02/2009 17:57:29
Trimble's road to nowhere
Sunday, May 08, 2005 - By Tom McGurk
When the historical archive of David Trimble's political life is assembled, the infamous Drumcree sequence will reemerge in all its irony. It was just a decade ago and there he was sharing the moment of Orange triumphalism with Ian Paisley. Hand in hand, they jigged along before the cheering crowds, having once again forced the march down Garvaghy Road.

Behind them was a Catholic community outraged and bullied into submission by a massive security force presence. Both Trimble and Paisley had instinctively recognised that day how significant for the Orange supremacy ethos Drumcree was, and both were determined to be visibly part of it all.
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 07/02/2009 17:58:51
What is Trimble's relevance to Scotland ?
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Stan Butler,

07/02/2009 18:11:10

#94 The community he used to represent was for the most part made up of people whose ancestors were Scottish.

That's his relevance to Scotland.
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Daveunderwater,

07/02/2009 18:17:34
Although there had always been some movement of peoples back and forth across the twelve mile North Channel between Scotland and the northeastern Irish coast, the principal movement of people from the Lowlands of Scotland to the Northern Ireland Province of Ulster did not occur until the seventeenth century. This migration, estimated to include well over 100,000 Scottish Protestants, mainly took place during the 90-year period from 1607-1697.

The migration had been planned and encouraged by the first man to rule over both Scotland and England; he was James I of England and James VI of Scotland. King James, a wily and pragmatic monarch, brought the Protestants to "His Majesty’s Plantation of Ulster" to form a buffer zone and strengthen royal control of the North of Ireland from the generally hostile (to English rule!), native Irish Roman Catholic population.

The pretext or opportunity for the planting of a Protestant colony in Ireland came in September 1607, when the Roman Catholic Earls of Tyrone and Tyrconnell, in fear of King James, fled the country and took refuge in Catholic France. This event, known in Irish history as the "Flight of the Earls," resulted in the lands of these noblemen being forfeited (escheated) to the English Crown. These "escheated" lands amounted to approximately six of the nine counties of Ulster, i. e., the counties of Antrim, Down, Fermanagh, Tyrone, Coleraine (later renamed Londonderry) and Donegal.

At first, King James attempted to bring over large numbers of English Protestants as well as Scots; however, few English could be persuaded to migrate. Conversely, due to the poor economic conditions in Scotland at the time, many Lowland Scots were eager to make the relatively short distance move.

I wish to emphasize that it was the Lowland Scots who migrated, not the Highlanders! Migration of the Highlanders was deemed unwise by both King James and his principal minister of the time, Sir Francis Bacon. This was because the Highla
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British flag,

07/02/2009 18:22:49
96.We don't need to be told what we already know!
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Daveunderwater,

07/02/2009 18:31:23
#97

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHH

Whos we?

I answered #94 one of the people who maybe don't know..


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British flag,

07/02/2009 18:49:03
98. Indeed! was there a need to be so long winded about it!
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British flag,

07/02/2009 18:49:25
99.Well said.
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Desmo,

Lumphinnans 07/02/2009 19:06:19
Dearie,dearie-me.This ones got the already fevered foaming at the mouth,hasn`t it. May I be permitted to ask a simple question of them without attracting the buckets of bile and bull everyone else has had to put up with? Could you tell us please what you think Scotland gets back from the UK in return for handing over all of its taxes to the Exchequer in London.Please try to answer as calmly and rationally as you can because you are coming across as examples of those who would `take up arms to protect their Britishness`Btw,first ever post so hiya a`body
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Beachcomber,

Edinburgh 07/02/2009 19:07:41
Figgy - Your like Zebedee on Acid. Gee uz aw a break and return to whenceforth you came..
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Daveunderwater,

Just William 07/02/2009 20:21:02
Some History from Auntie Beeb

http://www.bbc.co.uk/northernireland/learning/william/index.shtml

As it states, you decide
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Daveunderwater,

07/02/2009 20:30:37
A useful site for those interested in doing some research, this will probably not interest people who
"already know!"

http://www.orangeorderscotland.com/home.html

The Order's belief system is Christian, Protestant, patriotic and fraternal. These principles are set out formally in The Qualifications of an Orangeman, an impressive list of good intentions and high ideals. The purpose of the Orange Order can be summarised as:

To Maintain intact the Protestant Constitution and Christian heritage of the United Kingdom.

To cultivate Christian character, promote brotherly love and fellowship.

To expose and resist by all lawful means every system opposed to the mental, political and spiritual freedom of the individual.

The Protestant ethic is one of tolerance of other faiths and ideals. It is this tolerance and liberty that the Orange Order promotes and defends.
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Queen D,

Glasgow 07/02/2009 21:24:38
Surely Mr Trimble did NOT expect a miracle?
Surely Mr Trimble did not believe that the Scots would vote for the conservatives?

This is a really insulting piece of garbage.
And whovever thought of the headline should be dismissed.
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gerry duffy,

The Sun 07/02/2009 22:32:30
71 Salem said:It puzzles me how this bigotry is kept alive, you’d have thought it was a generational issue that would eventually pass, but no it’s still there, alive and well just below the surface.

It puzzles me how this bigotry is kept alive,Salem you don't need to be puzzled sectarianism/bigotry is kept alive by so called charities like NIL BY MOUTH.
(Why ?) they do so because i think without sectarianism these people would not have employment,they part of the problem not the solution and they even don't hide there bias by there actions and sound bites,a dream of a young lady Cara Henderson that is now not fit for purpose since Cara left 3 years sgo.
NIL BY MOUTH have been hijacked and has become sectarian tool with the intolarence it shows to certain faiths a dream that Cara had has now became a nightmare sadly.
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Westfield Bairns,

Falkirk 07/02/2009 23:43:33
Trimble, erm let me think. The only thing that can ranks next to a Scottish Unionist is the hard line Ulster Unionist scum, ye and i am a protestant
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Brian Hill,

08/02/2009 00:28:56
The Scottish Tories have one of their most popular leaders in Scotland for decades. They have smart, respected individuals like Brownlie, they are playing a clever game in Holyrood...

.....and then they associate themselves with a right wing unionist like Trimble!!??

Not the wisest move I would have thought.

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Ewan Randall,

08/02/2009 07:58:22
(#1) – (Wardog) – As to dispel these things Trimble has said can you clarify for us the SNP’s position on Scotland’s socio-economic problems and how they will set out to resolve the issue in the long term?
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Rufus-T-Firefly,

08/02/2009 08:34:49
#116, Ewan

Scotlands socio-economic problems are not on the SNP's Radar.

They have more important things to deal with like spending our money on 'AC/DC WE SALUTE YOU'.

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The Tin Man,

08/02/2009 09:05:14
Scotland has the largest State sector this side of Romania, and the SNP wants to tackle Scotlands economic problems through even more government borrowing than Brown has done.

Last year Salmond said that banking regulations should be loosened.

This year he wants borrowing powers.

Perhaps we should be doing exactly the opposite of whatever he says?
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james 1st,

hamilton 08/02/2009 09:12:54
THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY HAS ALREADY MADE A DIFFERENCE TO SCOTLAND MAGGIE THATCHER TRIED TO KILL IT FOREVER AND IT STILL HAS NOT RECOVERED, WHILST THE SCOTS HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO HATE LABOUR, BECAUSE IN THIS TRIMBLE IS CORRECT, LABOUR FAILED SCOTLAND MISERABLY AND TOOK ADVANTAGE OF SCOTS VOTERS WHO RATHER STUPIDLY REMAINED LOYAL. THE CONSERVATIVES STINK AND SHOULD NEVER BE TRUSTED BY THE SCOTS
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Rufus-T-Firefly,

08/02/2009 09:30:52
#118 Good point Tin Man. Maybe we should forget about the 'underplay' and start concentrating on the 'overplay'.
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radge dug,

08/02/2009 10:18:17
Trimble is an evil bigot. Emblematic of the xenophobic and supremicist 'Rule Britannia' attitudes. 'We' don't have an empire any more. Move on.
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stan102,

08/02/2009 13:43:18
Trimble should return home to be with all the other Northern Irish untermenschen
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Allan(handofgod137),

08/02/2009 16:20:06
Rather sad to see all the gnats still barking their pavlovian responses in accordance with the texts and e-mails sent out by the snp telling them how to respond, why don't tou start thinking for yourselves?
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Calum Crubag,

08/02/2009 19:04:25
We should remember Trimble's role in promoting sectarian bigotry in NI.
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True Nationalist,

Scotland 08/02/2009 20:30:44
With every passing day we see the truth,the SNP do not have the answer, do not keep promises and are not even nationalists, Salmond would flood Scotland with immigrants and sell the country to the EU, he is a chancer who due to the people wanting to give the corrupt labour party a kicking got in to office and is now clearly lost, a empty grinning loon!
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The Busman,

Edinburgh 08/02/2009 22:26:49
Independence - a great idea as long as you leave Edinburgh, East Lothian and perhaps the Borders out of it. The rest of Scotland regards us being the same as England anyway, so why don't we oblige them?!
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Dark Lochnagar,

Symington 09/02/2009 06:48:30
#111 Rab the Ranter

No -one likes us we don't care
we hate Killy- Stanky B@stards!
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57vintage,

Keith 09/02/2009 09:08:54
#37 "Now we have attacks on Rangers, the Union flag, Orangemen"

You make this sound like a bad thing.

22%.
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For Scotlands Future,

09/02/2009 13:09:38
"Scottish society had a huge emotional and political investment in the big Scottish banks and the collapse was a traumatic event – and, for that, Alex Salmond was a bystander".

Of course he was - because Scotland does not have Fiscal Autonomy. Give Scotland Fiscal Autonomy and the Scottish Government won't be a bystander any more.

It's an idiotic statement. "We won't give you any more power, and then we will criticise you because you don't have any more power".

Is there an election coming up??
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09/02/2009 22:07:43
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bluehead,

edinburgh 10/02/2009 13:06:31
trimble should stick to the Irish problems,there are plenty of them to be going on with
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Jofrad,

Cornwall 10/02/2009 14:48:01
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Such vitriolic spite. If the Union is such a diabolical tyranny for all but the English, why is there so little appetite for independence in Wales and for 60% of Scots??
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Alasdair mac Alasdair Mór Mac an Righ,,

10/02/2009 14:59:34
At one time I liked Trimble slightly being a reasonable man in a very difficult political position. He went against the accepted views of most of his friends and supporters for what he thought would improve NI.

That said he is still a devoted unionist and therefore for the Scotsman to have selected him for an article which seems no more than an attack on Alex Salmond seems very fair and balanced. Once again the Scotsman shows its integrity.
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Alasdair mac Alasdair Mór Mac an Righ,,

10/02/2009 15:12:14
134Jofrad, Cornwall 10/02/2009 14:48:01
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Such vitriolic spite. If the Union is such a diabolical tyranny for all but the English, why is there so little appetite for independence in Wales and for 60% of Scots??

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I cannot talk about Wales but in Scotland north of Perth there has never been an appetite for the Union. At the time of the union the people of Scotland were in uproar at the betrayal of trust by the self interest. The people who voted for the union were paid to vote for the union.

Westminster keeps us divided with clever wee ploys like running stories that will bring sectarianism to the front and stop the wounds from healing.

Keep the Scots fighting about which Church they do not attend and about which flavour of Jesus they prefer and away from the subject of Scotland's Duty to be responsible for itself and to solve its own problems.

Tell me how about how pro unionism the English are when they are being manipulated into the Euro Zone by political deceit.

It is not unusual to manage your own financial affairs. In fact most modern countries do it themselves. What is it you think is different about Scotland, Wales and Ireland that they cannot manage themselves.

The Union was born out of conquest for Ireland and Wales and out of deceit for Scotland. Not exactly a good start to an arrangement that you defend so much.


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Jofrad,

Cornwall 11/02/2009 10:11:36
136, Where have I stated that Scotland, Wales, Ireland or even Cornwall cannot manage their own affairs ?
You would think the Scots would be wise to "clever wee ploys" from Westminster. The fact is that Scots are divided enough on independence without such ploys.
Yes, I believe the Union is worth preserving and that the whole is greater than the sum of the parts, but if any of the constituent countries wish to go their own way then they are fully entitled to do so. Scotland joined the Union by act of the Scottish Parliament and can leave by the same method.
One thing though you're not alone at seeing imaginary filthy unionist ploys and plots.

 

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