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Taxpayers face bill for axing staff bonus scheme at RBS

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Published Date: 21 February 2009
TAXPAYERS look likely to face the bill for legal action over the axing of a Royal Bank of Scotland staff bonus scheme.
Bank staff are planning to sue after a profit share scheme they say was guaranteed was slashed by Chancellor Alistair Darling.

The plan gave around 80,000 non-managerial staff a salary bonus of ten per cent each year. This was once made "at t
he discretion of the board", but staff say then-chief Sir Tom McKillop wrote to them in 2007 guaranteeing the annual payments.

However, after the bank was bailed out by taxpayers, the Chancellor vowed to rein in bankers' bonuses and reduced the RBS bonus fund by 90 per cent, from £1 billion to £175 million.

Employment lawyer Ronnie Fox said: "The great advantage of the bonus system is that it is flexible. You can choose to reward good performance, and if performance is poor, you don't have to pay any bonus.

"But Sir Tom took away some of the discretion and has entered into a contractual agreement commitment to all eligible employees.

"If RBS takes it away, then employees can choose to treat themselves as constructively dismissed. I would say they have a legally enforceable right to ten per cent of their base salary in accordance with this commitment."

Meanwhile, it emerged that RBS is planning to offer loans to some of its staff against bonuses they are owed, which have been deferred until 2010 under a deal with the Government.

The employees will be offered up to 30 per cent of their bonuses spread over three years. An RBS spokesman said: "When we told staff we were deferring bonuses and abolishing profit share, we also wanted to make it clear to staff that we intended to find a way to manage the impact of this on their household budgets. it is chiefly intended to assist the large number of staff in Britain who were expecting bonus amounts of a few hundred or thousand pounds who will not receive anything this year."

It is thought that the scheme could not be used by the highest-paid investment bankers at RBS because their bonuses are designed for the bank to be able to claw them back if the divisions they work in subsequently lose money.

First Minister Alex Salmond, who worked for RBS as an economist before he entered politics, yesterday called for a cap on bonuses for RBS staff. He said: "When an organisation goes into the public sector, one of the obligations is to accept public sector pay norms.

"Nobody, I think, would want to deny people, many of whom are relatively lowly paid across the financial sector, a reasonable entitlement or a good return. But I would have thought a monetary cap on bonuses seems to be a perfectly workable solution."

Mr Salmond said that if he was still working at the bank he would not accept a bonus.





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Tartan Viking,

21/02/2009 11:18:51
RBS staff ought to be thankful they have jobs. Many poeople have lost theirs due to the actions of senior bank officials. They should remember this when shouting for bonuses they do not deserve. No bonus should be paid whilst the bank is stealing billions off the taxpayer and jobs are being lost in their thousands.
2

Mad Jock,

East Lothian 21/02/2009 11:21:51
Why don't these employees get real? No public money = no job. They should be grateful that they're not all looking for jobs.
When any business goes bust, people lose their jobs. It doesn't really matter whether the workers did a great job or not, if the business is dead, it's dead. It's dole time.
When a rescue package comes along to save their jobs, they should not be asking for any extras.
3

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 21/02/2009 11:45:38
Send the bill to McKillop. If he was that careless with a straightforward contract what else was he doing. Oh right we know that already.

I would just let them sue and then P45s all round. "Pour encourager les autres" - then make the remianing staff work twice as hard.

This presumption that the taxpayer picks up the bill no matter the culpability of people has to stop right here. Maybe the staff concerned weren't directly involved in dodgy dealings with CDOs but they are part of the same failed organisation. Do you think that if the bank were bought out by a private plc the staff would continue to get bonuses? I think not! Pay cuts all round, redundancies and no bonuses might be more appropriate.
4

vinnie52,

Gogarbunker 21/02/2009 12:04:08
That article is highly misleading.

The lower paid staff - of which there are plenty - have had the bonus instated as part of their salary. But as we previewed in the press the last few days there's a world of pain heading their way over the next few months in the form of job losses, as RBS satsifies the lust for revenge of the Great British Public. So don't get foaming at the mouth just yet over a relatively small pay rise.

Managers upward have not, so they have in effect taken a 10% pay cut. It's a shame RBS has chosen not to promote this as a virtue. I know of no one who is planning to sue over this, as most managers are sensible enough to realise it was an empty promise made by empty suits (albeit some of the empty suits were knights of the realm). Plus they'll also get hit by the tsunami of redundancies over the next few months. The history of these restructures teaches us that as a Manager whether you stay or go - you're going to get screwed.

I do agree with the Former Mr Angry in one respect. All those high flyers with the guaranteed performance bonuses from Sir Fred who are sitting pretty - the Banks should have torn up the agreement and then let them have their day in court....if they dare.
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Jambo Dave,

Edinburgh 21/02/2009 12:47:18
I can understand the anger over this but what you dont understand is the so called bonus was instead of a proper wage in the first place for the lower paid staff.As far people like my daughter who are on a wage under £20k.RBS paid it as a bonus so that it did not come into there pention entitlement.
The office and counter staff are as much victims of all this as anybody else.
If you want revenge wait for the next election and get Broon and co out the door.
6

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21/02/2009 14:32:28
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Scott_B,

21/02/2009 15:49:30
Some people commenting still don't get it. The country cannot afford to bail everyone out. It's a shame for people who thought they would get a bonus. It's a shame for people who overpaid for houses thinking they'd make a quick 20% flip. It's a shame for all of us that the pound has lost a huge amount of it's former purchasing power.

However, thanks solely to a misguided government and being considered to be in such bad shape that they were too big to fail, the people in the bank STILL HAVE A JOB. That *is* the bonus. 850 people at Mini don't have this luxury, 20% of the people at my company don't have that luxury (and the others taking salary cuts as well), hundreds of thousands across the country don't have that luxury. Seriously, wake up and smell the coffee - you still have a job. Keep your head below the parapet and try to maintain it as long as possible. Or leave and get another, if the terms of being kept on are too onerous. The previous contract died when the company needed life support. If the people working there are too blinkered and self-centered to see that, let the company go bankrupt, the government can set up a new bank, and the former staff can apply for jobs (and sue Goodwin and McKillop for whatever they feel they are due).
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im brian and so is my wife,

edinburgh 21/02/2009 16:18:21
oh listen to the squeeling of the bankers
greedy little piggies at the trough
if what yahoo news reported ,bankers have thousands to waste on champers(fizzy rat wee),these porkers spent more than a years salary for some,on one nights guzzling

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20090220/tuk-banker-runs-up-43-000-bar-bill-in-on-a7ad41d.html
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The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 21/02/2009 17:31:08
7 Scott_B

Precisely. There seems to be a stunned disbelief at the reality of this situation. If my small business went down the pan how many government ministers are running up to me and saying - wait a minute we'll bail you out. And now tell us, do your staff still want bonuses as they have had for the last few years?

OK it's tough at the bottom but tell me which other company in difficulty at the moment is any different except those at the bottom are redundant or are taking pay CUTS never mind wee bonuses!

Also Darling and Brown have weaseled out of getting tough on bonuses by promising future-dated bonuses dependent on profitability otherwise it's claw-back time but as with all their promises they'll duck out when the heat's off and it's no longer a headline. And yes I will be voting these failed lumps out as it's not just bankers who have been at the trough for too long.
10

druidh,

edinburgh 21/02/2009 19:06:49
"public sector norms" - like the bonus-enriched staff of the FSA? Anyone think they've done a good job these last 18 months?
11

COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 21/02/2009 21:45:38
THIS.BANK.BAIL.OUT.WILL.NOT.WORK
12

WSS,

21/02/2009 22:24:51
Another Brown blunder, if the RBS employees have a signed letter from the Chairman then instead of paying lawyers it would be better to pay the employees. Brown and Darling should have checked out the employee contract details before they put our money into the bank. Are we paying bonuses to FSA officials who have made such a pig's breakfast out of regulating the banking system and if so shouldn't they be withdrawn? Brown won't do that to his friends.
13

Americanbob,

22/02/2009 11:52:26
"Bank staff are planning to sue after a profit share scheme they say was guaranteed was slashed by Chancellor Alistair Darling."
Maybe I'm missing something here, if the bank was making a profit why did it have to be bailed out by the people? (not the Government, it was our money)
If it therefore was making a loss why is there any question of "profit sharing".
Surely a basic profit and loss balance sheet will tell us whether or not there was any profit to be shared!
14

Ian down under,

Musselburgh 22/02/2009 20:42:30
The bonus was part of a PROFIT sharing scheme. RBS has just made a very big LOSS [that is the OPPOSITE of profit]. Surely this either means they pay a bonus back to the employer or get nothing.
15

Yonthing!,

23/02/2009 12:52:58
Bank Staff are not Islamic Terrorists.

Please stop labeling everyone with the same bad brush. The vast majority of bank staff know they are lucky to have a job today, and many are under threat that they won't have one tomorrow. They are normal hard working people who have accepted the fact that the company made a loss and therefore there is no right to a bonus.

The media loves to hype up a few loudmouthed idiots - scandal sells newspapers, and since journalists get paid by the article, do you really believe everything they say ?

16

Jarl,

Edinburgh 23/02/2009 13:25:48
My son has lost a well paid job he worked very hard to get. He will receive statutory minimum redundancy pay. It is as a direct result of the greedy operations of RBS and HBOS. As well as Sir Fred and Andy Hornby leving the stage with their wallets stuffed there are many other RBS employees earning fat wagepackets at the taxpayers expense. No one in RBS should get a bonus of any kind whatsover. Let them feel some pain.

 

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