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Published Date: 27 November 2008
FEARS have been raised for the safety of Edinburgh's prostitutes after the main support group for sex workers had its funding slashed.
NHS Lothian has cut two-thirds of the annual £150,000 grant it gives to Newhaven-based Scot-Pep which will result in the loss of six jobs.

The move means the group, which has been supporting prostitutes for more than 20 years, will have to withdr
aw its outreach and support services.

NHS Lothian had offered the group £50,000 to continue some of its work. However, Scot-Pep turned this down, arguing that it was not enough to provide an effective quality of service to the women.

Scot-Pep conducts outreach work on the Capital's streets three times a week and has contact with hundreds of prostitutes each year.

The funding cut will also spell the end of the Ugly Mugs Scheme, an initiative run in conjunction with the police which allows sex workers to share information on potentially violent clients.

Health chiefs today said that sex workers in Lothian were no longer at high risk of being infected with HIV and priorities had changed to preventing the disease through other means.

However, Ruth Morgan Thomas, project manager of Scot-Pep, today said the move will leave women more vulnerable to attack.

She said: "We are all obviously gutted about this decision and I think now more than ever support services are needed for sex workers, so this is a real setback.

"Levels of HIV and hepatitis among sex workers are low but we would argue that is partly down to our involvement and there is a danger that, without any support, the levels will increase.

"The absence of this scheme will, in Scot-Pep's opinion, lead to increased levels of violence towards a very vulnerable section of the population.

"This decision was extremely hard in the light of the current climate of driving prostitution further underground by criminalising those involved."

Scot-Pep will continue as a voluntary campaign group despite the funding cut, with the aim of lobbying for changes to sex worker legislation.

Last year, the group warned that law changes which made kerb-crawling illegal – men risk a criminal record and £1000 fine – had seen the trade becoming more dangerous as prostitutes are forced "underground".

Lothians MSP Margo MacDonald said: "I very much regret that Scot-Pep will no longer provide the support for and link with women selling sex.

"The last government and the present have been very muddled in their approach to the management of prostitution."

Jim Sherval, public health specialist with NHS Lothian, said: "It is important to note that female sex workers in Lothian are not high-risk for being infected with HIV. At one time, historically, they were but that is no longer the case.

"We have met with both Scot-Pep and Margo MacDonald, who have both accepted that female sex workers are not at high risk of HIV infection.

"We have offered them £50,000 to support the HIV-related part of their service but they have rejected this offer."





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  • Last Updated: 27 November 2008 10:13 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Prostitution
 
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27/11/2008 11:56:31
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alex patersons English teacher,

27/11/2008 12:17:10
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prostitutes offering money for sex, ill have a bit of that, the change would do me good.
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alex paterson,

edinburgh 27/11/2008 12:20:09
If the girls are waiting to long for clients let them clean up dog poo,that should give them a wage paid by the Council.
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

27/11/2008 12:26:25
#1 How much do they pay?

I have to say in all seriousness that the NHS Lothian money was to fund HIV prevention work, and if they were spending it on the Ugly Mugs scheme, good scheme though it is, that was inappropriate since it wasn't an HIV prevention scheme.

I would hope that in the time available - the funding cut doesn't come into effect until late next year I believe - they will be able to find an alternative source of cash.
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GmL,

Edinburgh 27/11/2008 12:33:49
#1. The HIV issue isn't just about the women, is it? Its about its spread into the wider community, through clients..... who, I accept, you may think are equally as "guilty"..... but also through the partners of both sex workers and clients, and I can't see that you could put up the same argument against them.
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elayne,

27/11/2008 12:57:09
whatever ones views on prostitution,no one wants these women to become even more vunerable,scot pep is a lifeline to many who work in the sex industry and provides valuable outreach to those who work the streets,at risk of attack,rape,weird punters etc
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James (1),

27/11/2008 13:05:48
Finally someone has seen this group for what they are!

Public funded self interest group who have the front to advertise that they will not try to talk these women out of their life style. Why not? Well partly because they would lose funding if the need drops might be the reason?

The were as much use as a chocolate fire guard.

20 years and they have done what exactly? Handed out condoms and told the girls to keep themselves safe. Does that seem like well spent money?
Oh I forgot the also gave out figures for "increased" assaults on the girls which apparently were not reported to the police. Oh really!

By all means help these women but that help MUST include trying to get them off the streets and doing a real job.
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James (1),

27/11/2008 13:07:55
#6 If they were talked out of selling their body and into getting a real job they would not be subjecting themselves to the dangers you mention.
Life choice. It is not compulsory they do what they do.
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27/11/2008 13:14:16
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elayne,

27/11/2008 13:15:42
#8 i know that,but for reasons we may all not fully understand,some women do go into sex industry (which obviously would be better if it were legalised,indoors,with medical checks,women paying tax etc)
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A Friend of Fernando Poo,

27/11/2008 13:18:17
Why don't they just charge a monthly fee from prostitutes? That's how my trade union funds itself.
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James (1),

27/11/2008 13:31:44
#9 that is a different reason for doing away with prostitution.

#10 We cannot possible understand why all women decide to become prostitutes. We cannot know why all drug users decided to become junkies.

We know that what they do by today's standards is wrong and should not be allowed.
So we try to stop them (with the exception of Scotpep)and make it as difficult to carry on.

I cannot accept that prostitution is the only way these women can make a living.
It is a way they have decided and need to be helped to get off it and Scotpep is not the way to do this.
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Bill MacD,

27/11/2008 13:50:47
Scotland is still such a moralistic backwater, where policy can be based on dogma from man-hating feminists and medieval religionist nutters, rather than being evidence-led as it should be, and is in more enlightened nations.

People should keep their Calvinistic sanctimony out of it, and look at issues like harm reduction. But I guess that's too much to expect from a nation that tolerates the god botherers to poke their malign noses into everyone else's business in so many other ways.
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James (1),

27/11/2008 14:09:34
#13 you have morals, it is just that they are lower than normal.
That is not an insult, just a fact.
You have your own view and the majority have theirs. The majority dont want prostitutes so they win.
Why would anyone want to lower their moral standards just to make you feel comfortable?
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Edin,

27/11/2008 14:22:22
At the end of the day, the girls ahould be encourage to come of the streets and get a real job like the rest of us! Its not fair that we have to worry about an organisation for them when its tax payers money that help fund these things. The NHS is in a right state and cant afford to look after decent hard working people who choose to lead a good respectable lifstyle. Thats were the money should be going !!
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John Knox furr First Meenister,

High St, Embra 27/11/2008 14:33:27
#13 People should keep their Calvinistic sanctimony out of it, and look at issues like harm reduction.
I disagree. People should keep their harm reduction nonsense out of it and start getting some serious Calvinistic backbone in this nation! Too many spongers in the sex, poverty, disability and ethicity industries coining it from us and producing nothing but leaflets and hot air before commuting back to their nice middle class enclaves.
Clear them out.
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common sense voice,

27/11/2008 14:35:33
It's a chicken/egg senario... hookers don't have HIV etc when they start... they catch it off the punters...
James what's your beef with life man? some men can't get any, others need more than the Mrs can provide, others are just #orny.... it's the oldest profession as we all know. I know some hookers.... some do it as an easy option, ok a bit naive in some cases but they are happy go lucky girls who like the attention, the money and in some case the action too...... fact!
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elayne,

27/11/2008 14:37:28
it is sad so many women (and men)work the streets,of course other alternatives should be sought,it can be degrading and must be awful to have to do that kind of work,a lot of these women have low self esteem due to past problems and drug abuse etc not to mention the men who pay for their services,prostitution is always going to go on,but i feel it should do so in more appropriate legal way,without all the sleazy backstreet stuff,legal brothels, all above board,with inspections etc
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Rv2!,

27/11/2008 14:40:55
Good news. I say we invest that £50k into paying two police staffers to go on prostitute control. Any seen selling their services are removed from the street (or country where appropriate.) Jail is too good for them.

If I sold drugs on the street, would they Police ignore me and fine the buyer? No. because it is illegal to sell illegal goods. So why do prostitutes get away with it?

Fine them, lock them away until their drug issues are solved. Chuck the foreign ones and their immediate families out of the country regardless of immigration status. Once there's fewer on the street, go get the saunas.
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common sense voice,

27/11/2008 14:49:24
19..... what about the "town bike" who gives it away free... she's just a hooker without the business mind... jail her too?
get off their case...
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common sense voice,

27/11/2008 14:59:27
this story has interesting implication's.... read about the English guy who banged up his 2 daughters regularly... we are not allowed to post on that one funnily enough, why? better still is the bit where it is claimed that police etc were told by the family.. and did nothing.. social services? where are they in real cases..

when I was at school our wee town had the funny family too.. Jimmy B.... who banged up his 2 daughters (who if you saw them, you'd think that his wife was his sister.. ) in later life I find that everywhere has one of these "families" and in 99% of cases nothing is done....

ok, back to your indemic hated of prossies..
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Decent,

27/11/2008 15:06:46
I cannot accept that prostitution is the only way these women can make a living.
Where else can you make £300 a night? Aah didn't think you could stay away James The Ripper.
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Logie Almond,

27/11/2008 15:17:37
Scotpep oppose every single proposal to reduce or eliminate prostitution, for the simple reason that their jobs depend on the continued existence of that social evil. Good riddance to them.
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James (1),

27/11/2008 15:26:43
#17 you better change your name or you will end up getting done under the trade descriptions act. Just call yourself Voice because there is no common sense.

Your live and let live attitude is very naive.
Drug dealers are only trying to make a living as well so do we apply your logic and let them carry on?

Some portray these women as only just making a wee bit money on the side. Where's the harm.
The harm comes in various forms. One is they sell themselves in residential areas and while doing so do not care one bit for the hassle they cause residents.
But that is ok I suppose?

Any prostitute caught, what is the word they use? Oh yes "working", should have their benefit money automatically stopped.
Let's see them actually work for a living instead of leeching off decent working people.
Their choice of life style should not be funded in any way by public money.

Scotpep will continue to run on a voluntary basis I am sure. So what we save not having to fund them can be used for useful purposes instead.
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common sense voice,

27/11/2008 15:41:52
no jamesie..... plently common sense here...

please remember that if someone doesn't agree with you, then that doesn't necessarily mean that they are wrong!

ok, if they're selling it then they shouldn't sign on but do we go after everyone who does this...

some people appear to have a defective prossy-hating gene... there are more deserving targets in the world..

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me150,

27/11/2008 16:09:14
Common sense tells me tha Common Sense is a user, if you know what I mean.
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James (1),

27/11/2008 16:16:33
#25 so what your saying is that because I disagree with you does not make me wrong it make me right?
Thanks!
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GmL,

Edinburgh 27/11/2008 18:10:02
Now that the party seems to have quietened down a bit, maybe it's my turn to do my piece.
In the last 20 years, ScotPep has been absolutely crucial in the minimisation of the spread of HIV and Hepatitis.... as I said in my previous post, this is not just about sex workers and their clients, but the wider community as well. Leaving aside the moral argument... and it is clear that the issue polarises people.... the costs which would have been incurred by society had ScotPep not existed would have dwarfed those which actually were.
Add to that police costs and time involved in dealing with actual violence... again, without Scotpep and their many safety initiatives, this would have been so much higher... and, in pure cash terms, the value for money argument is irrefutable.
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elayne,

27/11/2008 19:59:22
#19 there are a few of them in this toon lol!couple of vodkas and coke and your sorted
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Fluffy,

edinburgh 27/11/2008 20:26:53
i wouldnt even dignify this with a serious comment.
When i saw the headline, i guessed????? oh how many comments on this header and how many positive???

i wasn't disappointed, whilst i appreciate this is not headline news, u muppets descent to your usual levels!!!
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James (1),

27/11/2008 20:37:40
#28 They are called prostitutes ok! Stop trying to give the impression they are doing a job. I am fed up with people changing descriptions to make it more PC.

The problem with prostitutes was allowed to grow because the then Deputy Chief Constable Tom Wood turned a blind eye to them and that of gays touting for custom up Royal Terrace.
Bad policing and thankfully he has gone. Now the police are being allowed to do their job, part of which is targetting prostitutes.
Scotpep can fabricate figures all they want. They are a self interest group so it is not beyond the realms of possibility that they need to show increases to ensure their funding. Oh look assaults have gone up. Are they reported to the police? No!
The reason to close Scotpep down is they do not want to get the women off the street. That is their choice and mine is to not support them in what they are doing.
I for one am glad funding has been removed.
Still its all about the women for them so they will keep on going I'm sure.

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GmL,

Edinburgh 27/11/2008 21:31:57
I shall call them what I want, thank you; you, of course, are entitled to label them with any pejorative you wish.

Your comment on fabrication of figures borders on defamation. I would suggest that you have a look at the Remote Reporting scheme that the police and Scot-Pep devised.

Lastly, referring to the article and the change in emphasis of HIV funding, I take it you are quite happy that you are now paying for "men who have sex with other men".?
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GmL,

Edinburgh 27/11/2008 21:38:15
Oops :0)... sorry, that was in another article I read. However, that is where the money is going.
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Rv2!,

28/11/2008 00:21:30
20 "what about the "town bike" who gives it away free..."
That's her decision. If she's not selling it "IT IS NOT AGAINST THE LAW." Once it is being SOLD it IS AGAINST THE LAW therefore should be punished; End of story.
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GmL,

Edinburgh 28/11/2008 10:53:14
Actually, RV2, the selling of sex is NOT against the law.
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James (1),

28/11/2008 11:30:00
#32 Of course you will call them what you like. I have my own name for them too! Yours is more PC than mine, but you would expect that I am sure.
You can call a wolf a sheep but guess what? It's not a sheep.
Calling a prostitute a "sex worker" does not make her a worker.
Play with words all you want it changes nothing outside of your head. People know what they are.

If a prostitute does not report the matter to the police how do we know it is true.
My grandfather could tell me stories about the war when he fought the germans single handed. Daring do stories.
Made up lies? Possibly true?
How can it be verified with out investigating it?

If the person is not speaking to the police direct where is the objectivity?
I am sure given the high moral standards of these women that lying would never be considered. All that would get them is pity and attention. They don't want that. They just want to claim benefits, "work in the sex industry"(see I am learning) perhaps do drugs and make a decent life for themself.
Scotpep at the public expense wants them to be able to do just that.
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Rv2!,

28/11/2008 13:53:50
35 "Actually, RV2, the selling of sex is NOT against the law."

Hmm not sure, but I'll accept the statement for the moment.

So, if it isn't illegal to sell it, why should it be illegal to buy it? Are the "slags" declaring their income to the DSS and paying TAX?

The easiest way to reduce and stop prostitution is to catch the girls and stop them. Catching the guys using them is the hard part that makes more profit for the Police and the country. It's like flies and dog cr.ap. Remove the dog cr.ap and the flies won't come. The difference here is that the government profit from this dog cr.ap.

And, Evening News, why is cr.ap an unsuitable word?
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GmL,

Edinburgh 28/11/2008 16:27:30
RV2... it isn't illegal to buy it either.

"catch the girls and stop them".... since we have a licensed indoor industry in Edinburgh (which is where over 80% of sexworkers work), with the full complicity of the police and Council, that will be nice n easy, then. Only trouble is... what do you charge them with, since they aren't breaking any law?
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GmL,

Edinburgh 28/11/2008 16:31:55
James...

Amongst its partners, the police and funders, Scotpep has a remarkably good name, in terms of its honesty and integrity. Its professionalism and approach would put many a commercial organisation to shame. I have already put the value-for-money argument.

Not one of those agencies has ever, to my knowledge, doubted its truthfulness. However.... don't take my word for it. You are a private citizen, Freedom of Information and all that.... go and check it out yourself.
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GmL,

Edinburgh 28/11/2008 16:33:16
Rv2... you would probably be surprised to learn that a large number do declare their income to HMRC. Not an opinion, but a fact with which I deal in my working life.
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James (1),

28/11/2008 16:49:06
#39 Scotpep could be compared to the relationship between a child and their granny.
Granny knows what is going on and what is good for you but lets you go your own way pointing out where you are going wrong but not actually doing anything about it.
Only granny does not get huge sums of money from the public to monitor the child.
Scotpep are useless. There needs to be an organisation which gets these women away from prostitution.

What if they do not want to stop? That is when you come down hard on them, stopping their benefit because they are "working" and making life as a prostitute as hard as possible so they cannot make a living.
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GmL,

Edinburgh 29/11/2008 19:59:27
Here's your chance, Jamesie me boy. The manager of ScotPep is on Talk Radio tomorrow (Sunday) at 1145 am.

Go give her hell ;0)
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James (1),

29/11/2008 20:13:22
Why? I got what I wanted, which was to stop this self interest group squandering public money!

 

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