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Published Date: 15 June 2009
A £25 MILLION vacuum-powered rubbish chute would be built beneath Princes Street under plans being considered by city leaders.
The ambitious scheme would see pipes laid under the historic street, which would suck away rubbish from shops and offices through underground pipes, at speeds approaching 50mph, to a central collection point.

The move is designed to try and reduce the scores of rubbish lorries that service the area via Rose Street Lane, which city leaders want to open up for new development as part of their regeneration efforts for Princes Street.

It is thought the scheme could cost up to £25m and will take up to two years to be installed if it wins the backing of city leaders.

The vacuum waste system is already in place in a number of European cities, including historic parts of Barcelona. It made its UK debut in London last year, where a system to deposit recyclable, organic and normal rubbish into separate colour-coded containers was installed in a 700-home development in Wembley.

Last year, the Evening News revealed council chiefs are also considering installing a city centre "heat recovery" system. This would capture hot air from buildings on Princes Street and use it to heat water for heating systems.

Traders today gave the vacuum waste system their backing, while city leaders said it would provide a 21st-century solution for effectively managing city-centre waste.

Rob Winter, of the Princes Street Traders' Association, said:

"At the moment we have some shops using the council and some using private suppliers to deal with waste, and when you add that up it is a lot of arrangements and lorry journeys.

"A lot of the larger shops are already looking at how they deal with waste from an environmental perspective, but also the fees for collection are increasing all the time.

"If a system can be developed that is simple, easy to install and offers genuine cost benefits, then I think people will go for it."

The system installed at Wembley vacuums about 700 homes worth of waste into one of its central containers.

These are then collected by council waste lorries in less than three minutes.

As well as reducing the number of collections, the vacuum system compacts waste at its central collecting point, saving space.

Earlier this year it was revealed the council is also considering proposals that would see all deliveries destined for Princes Street dropped off at a central depot on the edge of the city centre, where staff would put the shops' supplies on to one lorry to cut out duplicated journeys.

A council spokeswoman said: "We are investigating this innovative system for managing city-centre waste."


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1

TankEngine,

Uphall 15/06/2009 12:21:17
Is this for real? Is the council just looking at ways to "blow" tax payers money?
2

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15/06/2009 12:22:32
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Foo,

15/06/2009 12:31:30
{insert generic rant against change here}
4

Hmm ...,

15/06/2009 12:34:49
... and this is the city that has a huge budget deficit AND has to find at least £45 million as its share of the tram project and probably much more - the City Council (us) has to meet any cost overruns.

Yet it aspires to charge us for a waste paper hoover for Princes Street shope - the ones that the City Council told would have to pay for rubbish removal, making the shops make their own commercial arrangements - hence all the trucks!

Cloud cuckoo land? You couldn't make it up!
5

Duncan in Edinburgh,

15/06/2009 12:36:43
#4 "the ones that the City Council told would have to pay for rubbish removal"

You are suggesting that commercial waste should be processed for free by the council? (In other words paid for by increasing council tax?) Unbelievable.
6

Hmm ...,

15/06/2009 12:37:45
... oh yes, and is closing schools and reducing services with more to come as Central Government is going bankrupt, printing money as though there was no tomorrow - which for Labour, there isn't.

Rant? So much incompetence, so many daft ideas and such a lack of pragmatism. Where would we start?
7

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 15/06/2009 12:37:59
Excellent news! What a brilliant idea!

What's the betting that they will decide to install this just after completion of the toy train set?
8

Hmm ...,

15/06/2009 12:40:39
... Duncan in Edinburgh City Council said "You are suggesting that commercial waste should be processed for free by the council? (In other words paid for by increasing council tax?)"

No - business pay business rates to central government, from when come so much of local authorities' funds. "Processed for free"? Don't make me laugh!

Only a town hall wallah could see it that way. The Germans have a good word for "town hall" - "rathaus", seems so appropriate!
9

Skip McClendon,

15/06/2009 12:44:10
This seems like unnecessary duplication - they are already installing a tramline that sucks on Princes Street.
10

Unimpressed one,

15/06/2009 12:47:14
£25 million would keep a small army employed on a good wage just to sweep the place clean every day.

But this loony idea should confirm Edinburgh's status as a permanent building site. What, with the museums and Usher hall being shut, the St James Centre due for demolition, a massive hole in the ground at New Street, Fountainbridge a complete mess and of course, not forgetting the bombsite that is Princes Street and Haymarket. When the hell are the developers just going to let the place be?

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tomias,

Edinburgh 15/06/2009 12:50:03
what else to be dug up? Over head chutes? Oh goody !
Cant wait for all the hullaballoooo !
But what about a trial project starting at the City chambers? ( connected to sewage system?)
12

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15/06/2009 12:50:14
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Hector the Red,

15/06/2009 12:52:01
And how will this system cope at Hogmany/New Years Day I ask you?
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Big bob 79,

15/06/2009 12:53:20
Wow another mad idea,
why not get an open top rubbish carriage attached to the back of each tram, problem solved
15

Ecto,

15/06/2009 12:55:31
Underground car parks, waste vacuums, has the glue from the new carpets in the cooncil offices rotted their brains? I have never heard such mentalness it is beyond belief.
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15/06/2009 12:57:36
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15/06/2009 12:57:51
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Hector the Red,

15/06/2009 12:58:30
#12
Nice choice of words there Duncan:-

" don't work for the council, nor the public sector in any form"

Of course you don't, however you are employed by the Council..or possobly TIE as it's a well known fact no-one WORKS for the Council.

clever man.

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15/06/2009 13:00:12
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15/06/2009 13:01:45
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Foo,

15/06/2009 13:04:10
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http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001RJ1U6G
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A Friend of Fernando Poo,

15/06/2009 13:06:14
I predict they'll build it and run it until someone's precious little Fluffy is sucked into the device. At that point they'll go back to street cleaners and we'll be 25 million the poorer.
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A Friend of Fernando Poo,

15/06/2009 13:08:03
What we really need is a vacuum tube system to every house. Then not only can we send all our recycling down it, but the shops can send the goods we order without us ever having to leave the house.
24

Wee Keef,

Down the tubes 15/06/2009 13:10:40
Edinburgh Sucks - it's official.
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15/06/2009 13:10:59
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Mallory,

Edinburgh 15/06/2009 13:12:03
Depends how strong it is - ok to rid the streets of discarded bottles, cans and fast food wrappers but suppose it sucked jakeys, big issue sellers and drunks away as well. And it might slow the trams down as bit.

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Big bob 79,

15/06/2009 13:21:36
If it doesn't work we can use the system like the guy in the Barclaycard advert.
The Barclaycard used the song 'Let Your Love Flow' in the advert, I can think of a few versions which may fit the Edinburgh project ;O)
28

elayne,

15/06/2009 13:33:41
stupid idea,,is this someones idea of a joke,or a very late april fool?
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brianmca3,

auld reekie 15/06/2009 13:33:43
OH no not more bloody roadworks,if this is put in place,at a cost of £25 million,how much was it to get those wee scaffies,kept the city streets clean
i saw one of their carts being unloaded outside flora stevensons school,so did the council get one for the stockbridge residents ?
for £25 million you could employ a load of people from the dole,pay a good wage,and get the streets back to being clean
how many of you when going out after a heavy downpour,find street corners more like a boating pond,why dont they clean out the drains anymore with the big hoovering machine
or would it be too PC to say scaffy as its defined in scots to mean scavanger
a lot like our MPS but costing a lot less
to see old pics of edinburgh/leith try the link
http://www.edinphoto.org.uk/5/8__whats_new_-_206_mid-aug_1-20_2007.htm
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15/06/2009 13:52:16
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Herman The German,

15/06/2009 14:09:34
10,13, 22,26.
Excrement for brains or what?.



Read the article FFS, it is not system to clean the streets.
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tomias,

Edinburgh 15/06/2009 14:19:40
Did the old Co Op not operate such a system?
Plus little tickets for the benchers sitting in the queue- like the one to be implimented whan waiting for a tram?
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Thomas the Tank,

Edinburgh 15/06/2009 14:31:31
Oh well, if such a system is "already in place in a number of European cities, including historic parts of Barcelona", Embra's vain and idiotic cooncillors will just HUVTY have one as well. This will, apparently, make them seem 'Cool and European coz it'll look good'. Much like the TramCar set.
34

Mince Pie Supper,

15/06/2009 14:36:51
What a rubbish idea.
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Leila,

Edinburgh 15/06/2009 14:40:54
Well that would be par for the course, it happens all the time: someone spends a fortune on road surfacing - in this case laying tramlines - and then a week later another company digs it all up again.
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keit011,

15/06/2009 14:50:54
is this big hoover supposed to be environmentally friendly or is it just us who are supposed to make sure we don't waste energy .what's the biggest sucker us or the councils new hoover.it must be great fun at a council brain storm meeting .what about building a giant umbrella so we don't get wet when it rains
37

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15/06/2009 15:26:57
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Niadh,

Edinburgh 15/06/2009 15:40:28
This will be the cooncils bright idea on how to fill in those underground chambers that were unearthed by the tramworks.
Where is all the rubbish going to go? The air raid shelters??
39

dba,

HAYMARKET 15/06/2009 15:44:00
WHAT, OH WHAT ARE 'CERTAIN' COUNCILLORS, INBIBING, INHALING OR INJECTING?

The city is facing some 92 MILLION POUNDS OF CUTS over the next few years: already senior citizens and charity groups have had TEN MILLION POUNDS cut from their budgets at virtually ZERO notice.
Our 'Festival Champion' seems to have bottomnless pockets!

NOW we have this fantasmagocial scheme to spend TWENTY-FIVE MILLION pounds on a gigantic 'hoover' system for Princes Street (Presumably they'll start digging just AFTER the 'tram moles' have finished their tracks and resurfaced the street!)

Ladies and gentlemen of the Council AND the Director of Cleansing....

1: Householders pay for their rubbish collections THROUGH THE RATES!
2: Businesses pay for their rubbish collection THROUGH THE BUSINESS RATES AND A SURCHARGE FOR COMMERCIAL RUBBISH REMOVAL!
3 YOU ALL are paid from the general income derived from the RATES -ENOUGH OF THIS NONSENSE and start EARNING YOUR MONEY!
4: The NEXT ELECTIONS are NOT THAT FAR AWAY...and the ordinary, decent citizens ( Who pay the rates) have LOOOOOOONG memories - take note!
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Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 15/06/2009 16:01:28
"The ambitious scheme would see pipes laid under the historic street"

Would someone please tell me just what is historical about Princes Street?

What are the dangers that this suction device could suck away the trams (roll on!!)

41

Maurice,

15/06/2009 16:05:08
In theory??? The problem is the Scottish people. I have lived here for the last 5 years and cannot get over the filth of the place. Scotland, largely regarded as the most beautiful part of britain is filled with trash. If you dont believe it, look. I had reason on 5 occasions in the recent past to go down South to do some work. London was spotless with a population greater than Scotland. Edinburgh station was full of litter with no cleaners to be seen and I saw a total of 3 dead pigeons. 1 on the tracks and 2 on the platform with 1 of them full of squirming maggots. Kings cross which has over a million people passing through daily was immaculate and I counted 18 cleaners in a single view accross the station. Only yesterday I crossed over the border north of Berwick on the A1 and as I passed the big saltire into Scotland the road and laybye was covered literally in litter. Maybe its those dammed English who come over just to dump their trash to make the Scots look bad. Sadly hugely patriotic people with not an ounce of self-pride the Scots.
The council is willing to try, cos your'e not people of Scotland
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Douglas,

Bathgate 15/06/2009 16:19:21
See Venice and die. See Edinburgh and Dyson.
43

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15/06/2009 16:26:31
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15/06/2009 16:26:44
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the plum,

15/06/2009 16:32:04
this is a wonderful idea. c'mon folks, get on board.
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Big Geordie,

EDINBURGH 15/06/2009 16:32:58
"Last year, the Evening News revealed council chiefs are also considering installing a city centre "heat recovery" system. This would capture hot air from buildings on Princes Street and use it to heat water for heating systems."

Why the buildings on Princes STreet?

How about installing one right next to the First Ministers chair, cos that windbag blows out more waste hot air than Princes Street.
47

Statsman,

Edinburgh 15/06/2009 16:35:12
Good grief. Could they stop finding ways to waste money?
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the plum,

15/06/2009 16:40:16
48

I find your comment very curious. Do you enjoy walking through filth? Perhaps you are a litter bug? People like you just will not be happy until our streets are as filthy as the cesspit you call a home. Kindly show some pride in the fine city of Edinburgh, or keep you dirty expectations and thoughts to yourself. GET ON BOARD!
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reincarnated,

Edinburgh 15/06/2009 16:47:14
Read the article - this suystem is about taking way commercial waste fron shops and busiesses. Nothing to do with street waste and deid doo's.

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Statsman,

Edinburgh 15/06/2009 17:30:16
49 the plum

I put my rubbish in a bin. What has that to do with it though?

This is about some daft scheme to take business waste along chutes. This waste is already collected by contractors anyway. It will not empty the the public bins on Princes Street.

I am more concerned with the council finances - that seem to be on a very shaky footing - than pie in the sky ideas dreamt up by council officials.
51

Fruit n Nut,

15/06/2009 17:43:14
WHAT A LOAD OF RUBBISH!
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Klaus Dubois,

Ed. 15/06/2009 18:20:26
Nothing inherently wrong with the idea but ............ I really would like to 'enjoy' the city that I pay a lot to live in. If more of these schemes keep rearing their heads then the castle will have turned to dust by the time of completion (as well as being massively over-budget & subject to multiple enquiries).

PS was any account taken of the damage that would be done to Edinburgh's economy by the tram project ? So difficult to get a good reputation, so easy to get a bad one.
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nemien,

Dublin 15/06/2009 18:29:22
The idea could easily be catered for in the trams. All that is needed is a skip towed behind the trams it could be used to take rubbish to a depot near the airport and bring luggage back to Edinburgh City centre.


Conversely the vacuum method could be used to take passengers to the airport might work better, it certainly would be quicker and if they start now it should be read before the trams and it will be underground and out of sight.

For those of you who remember the cash system in Jenners where the assistants put cash into a capsule and it was sucked to the cash department.

I think CEC should explore this further. At £25m it could save the council tax payers a lot of money!!

They could also build the missing link from Haymarket to Granton harbour and have it one way for the exclusive use of councillors and TIE staff. It should end about a mile out to sea that way the effluent will not contaminate our beaches.



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jdships,

Edinburgh 15/06/2009 20:29:53
Had a quick look at the calender to check the date - it isn't 1st of April

34 Thomas the Tank,
Good post !!
55

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 15/06/2009 21:27:09
A most excellent notion by our frugal and wise council.

May I suggest a more practical alternative;

We should train goats (of both sexes and all ethnic backgrounds on equal pay and pensions) to drive hovercraft above Princes Street and pick it all up with magnets and gigantic 'people friendly' hooks! They can have a competition in the schools throughout Edinburgh to do the colour scheme and the signage for it too !

----

Honestly ... this council has lost the plot even the good citizens of cloud cookcoo land must think they are daft!

3:- Foo ... {insert rant about how wasting taxpayers money on ridiculous and criminally unproductive schemes is good for us here!}
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Voldemort,

Edinburgh 15/06/2009 21:29:36
38 :- I beg to differ - Edinburgh City Council 'leaders' are living and irrefutable proof that you can have excrement for brains !
57

Cooncil Hooses,

Edinburgh 15/06/2009 22:48:56
"City ponders £25m vacuum under Princes Street to suck rubbish"

It already getting built! Its call the TRAMS, silly!
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brianmca3,

auld reekie 15/06/2009 23:04:03
The2007 election manifesto of the Lib Dems stated the following if they ran Edinburgh
A lib dem run edinburgh would be
be a clean city
be agreen city
be a safe city
be a free moving city (LOL)
be an open and democratic city
get the basics right
provide flexible quality services for all
have a listening and empowering council
ensure schools meet everyones needs
look after the vunerable
look after our heritage
be great place to live,work and play (So is a mars bar)
be buisness friendly
now thats just the opening title
how well have these mugs kept their promises
judging by thetram fiasco i think theres more porkies there than a bag of pork scratchings
59

JC1,

Glasgow 15/06/2009 23:22:05
Stick it under Holyrood..Gardy loo!
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Sarah B,

Edinburgh 15/06/2009 23:27:22
brianmca3 (60) - you are a star. I shall be referring to some of those when beating our councillors over the head in future correspondence!

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Iainbroch,

15/06/2009 23:35:20
I am still rubbing my eyes! Cant believe what I read! I suggest they implement this at Westmidden, one flick of the switch and sooook - all the trash gone!
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brianmca3,

auld reekie 15/06/2009 23:38:51
if anyone else wants to read what the lib dems stated for the 2007 elections then you can download the manifesto here
http://www.edinburghlibdems.org.uk/news/000001/edinburgh_council_manifesto.html
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Voldemort,

Edinburgh 15/06/2009 23:46:01
It is quite simple folks - politicians tell lies!

We need to get away from 'promises' and into people we can trust.

If one politician had the guts to say that 60 million people was sufficient, that 'targets' were a sham, that every penny of taxpayers money was precious, that they would give law teeth, that they would ensure that teaching was not political, that police were not glorified tax collectors, that lazy people and incomers could not abuse benefits paid for by us, and lastly and most importantly that public servants were kept to a minimum and served the common good as opposed to their egos -

I would vote for that - but is there ONE party that even advocates half of these things ? Democracy is dead until YOU wake up and smell the coffee!
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brianmca3,

auld reekie 15/06/2009 23:48:17
i found this unison report from the outcome of the 2007 elections
and also about its cash raising to get political points over,it says it has no political affiliation to any party(aye and pigs fly,yes they do ie lard foulkes)
have a read and see what you think
interesting it states that if labour hadnt listened too much to london (LOL) the 07 results might have been different
http://www.unison-edinburgh.org.uk/ar2007/apf.html
also has the link about funding
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brianmca3,

auld reekie 15/06/2009 23:59:34
it is interesting to note that UNISON told labour in 1998 that they thought that PFI was a con and it cost a lot more than public funding
read their page below
Secretaries' Report

Services fighting for existence

The lead up to the Scottish Parliament has seen the branch making a significant contribution to a number of consultation exercises, not least the Commission on Local Government and the Scottish Parliament.

The implications of the Parliament and it's relationship with local government, will have a major impact on our services and their delivery.

Consultation is ongoing and the branch will continue to try to ensure that we get the Parliament that our members want, one that will work, and will ensure public services are publicly owned, democratically run and properly resourced

The Scotland Act embraced the principles of access for all, engaging the community, and delivering services at the level closest to the people. What we have seen, though, as members of the various political parties jostle for seats, is a transparent willingness to sell out public services in favour of what can be shallow and limited national party lines.

Since the referendum, UNISON has constantly had to defend local services. Attempts to hive off services to the private sector, create arms length trusts, and discredit local service delivery, together with massive budget cuts, have meant we have had to fight for our very existence.

PFI: And one of the biggest cons is the Private Finance Initiative. The idea of new schools or hospitals is tempting until you realise the cost is far higher than public investment, the private companies end up owning the assets, other services are cut to pay for the private profits and our children end up paying through the nose for tens of years.

The branch has tried to expose the PFI illusion through newspaper articles, talks to Labour Party branches and seminars.


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brianmca3,

auld reekie 16/06/2009 00:06:01
now it wasnt that long ago ,in this paper and scotsman,that labour supporters were wanting the new Fort Bridge built with cash from PFI
as we see before even UNISON tried to warn against it as they seen what a con it was
so that makes me think that the brown envelopes were flying in such flurries that it looked like a brown blizzard
if one of labours backers says its crooked,why was it used to fund schools?
was it not lardy foulkes who insisted that PFI was the way ahead?
i leave you to ponder on this
also if UNISON was against council house sales,why did Tony Blair not heed one of its main funders and reverse thatchers folly
as we now see the huge shortage of houses in the council sector

 

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