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Published Date: 23 April 2008
SIGNS written in Polish warning people not to drink in public are set to be installed in a Leith park.
A recent surge in police call-outs to Pilrig Park has been put down to the fact that drinking in public is legal across much of Poland.

Police believe the majority of the Polish people are not aware that they are breaking a city council bylaw, whi
ch is punishable by a heavy fine.

Leith community beat officer PC Mark Muir said the park was also a known gathering place for underage drinkers, and had suffered from vandalism and antisocial behaviour in the past. He said erecting signs with a brief warning in Polish should result in a drop in the overall number of call-outs, keeping officers free to deal with more serious crimes.

He said: "We have had quite a problem with Polish drinkers in the park.

"We are trying to get into the park and charge people for drinking in public, not just the Polish but underage drinkers as well.

"It is a bylaw and we are trying get signs put up in Polish saying just that. It is a park that has had its problems in the past."

Leith has a significant Polish population which, since the country's admission into the EU in 2004, has integrated well with the local community.

A range of Polish shops and businesses have opened up and politicians in the area have often praised both the Poles and the Leithers for the way they have settled together.

Edinburgh-based Polish businessman Albert Fret, who runs a website for Poles in Scotland – szkocja.net – said the problem was most likely caused by a difference in cultures.

He said: "With the lighter nights coming I think some people think it is nice to relax in a park with one or two beers and think it is not a problem.

"It is something that would happen in Poland and be perfectly normal. But the law is the law and people have to know, and I think this sign would be a good thing for that."

The Balfour Street park has had an image problem for a number of years, with many local people saying they are too frightened to walk through it after dark. Police have been lobbying the council for years to improve the lighting.

Leith Central Community Council chairman Stewart Blaik said: "It can be an intimidating place and you don't get many folk going in after dark on their own.

"Even the dog walkers tend to go along the outside and let their dogs run into the middle.

"The signs will be there just to let the Polish people know that they can't drink there."





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  • Last Updated: 23 April 2008 11:57 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Poles in Scotland
 
1

TheColourOfUpsideDown,

23/04/2008 12:03:40
As far as I am aware the bylaw states that a person may not drink in public if they are asked not to by the police. Only then are they breaking the bylaw and risking a £500 fine.
2

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 23/04/2008 12:05:17
...and they have got it wrong once again.

It is doubtful whether the trouble being caused in Pilrig Park is down to Poles. It is far more likely to be down to local neds.

In which case, why are the Poles being targetted? And why is drinking in the park banned? People who cause trouble are BREAKING THE LAW. Enforce the law as it stands. Forget about the stupid, insulting nanny state bans and restrictions on freedom of choice.
3

upthehill,

23/04/2008 12:12:03
This really makes me sad, Poles having a beer in the park are not a problem, so why persecute them? Our city leaders need to get a grip.
4

Cappo Del Monte,

23/04/2008 12:17:42
#2
yet more drivel from the plank head.
If you had visited you would now there are as many Polish people there as drunks.
As for the signs, it is to tell them but breaking a bye law ( something that is in place ) there again obviously you need a brain to read this story and make sense of why the signs are put up, duh.
Hopefully the council will do the same in Leith Links, when the council inforced the ban at the foot of the walk, it only moved these people onto places new, so long as they were away from the shopping area hey presto the ban works ( as reported previously in the EN ) sadly not true EN and council.
In your weird world #2 we could all speed, drink and drive maim and kill.
Try engaging that brain cell before letting the finger type #2
5

Leithal Wit,

Edinburgh 23/04/2008 12:18:52
Leave the Poles alone. I doubt they are the trouble makers. In fact, I'm sure that more Polish people hanging out in the park would deter the neds from trashing the place, which would be a good thing, surely?
6

Cappo Del Monte,

23/04/2008 12:18:58
#3
Read the story, they are not perscuting them, they are informing them that they may be breaking the law, giving the cops more time to tackle the drunks , neds
7

ADMuir,

23/04/2008 12:20:38
What about all the drunks that hang about drinking on Hunter Square, Bristo Square, Middle Meadow Walk, etc? I've seen the police speaking to them on many an occasion and without taking any action. It's the same faces every day.
8

brettgallacher,

edinburgh 23/04/2008 12:25:51
PLUS LETS KNOCK THIS MYTH ABOUT INTEGRATION ON THE HEAD THE ASIAN COMMUNITY LOBBIED EDINBURGH CITY COUNCIL AS TO WHY THE POLISH WERE ALLOWED TO OPEN SO MANY SHOPS
9

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 23/04/2008 12:35:25
Cappo,

Why don't you go and live in North Korea? I believe that there are plenty of stupid, oppressive, needles laws there which you could insist that everyone obeys without thinking.

The Poles in this case are not causing trouble. There is only a mind-numbingly stupid ban on drinking there as a knee-jerk reaction to neds breaking OTHER laws. We do not need a ban on drinking in the park. We need the POLICE to ENFORCE THE LAWS about rowdy behaviour, public drunkenness and vandalism.

In my "wierd world" as you put it, there would be freedom of choice. the onus would be put on the individual to take responsibility for their actions and innocent people wouldn't be persecuted, dumbed down or insulted with stupid rules aimed at the kind of people who would likely as not ignore them anyway.

If you think that is wierd then North Korea is beckoning. We could do with a LOT less people like you who appear to defend the principle of hitting the innocent rather than the guilty.
10

Bertie The Bat,

23/04/2008 12:38:08
#5 Leithal Wit,

Yeah! I agree leave the poles alone.Use a snooker cue like everyone else!
Poles are too blunt to play a good game of snooker.Unless that is you sharpen them and glue a nice tip to the end of the pole.Also you would have to cut the pole as most poles are very long.
11

Rambo_the_Jambo,

Somewhere in Tollcross 23/04/2008 12:38:53
Can someone tell me since when it has been illegal to drink in a public place or park?

Are byelaws specific to a named location?

People have been drinking socially in the Meadows on hot summer days for years and have never fall foul of the law (teenagers excepted of course).
12

Bertie The Bat,

23/04/2008 12:48:29
I think drinking is disgusting and should be banned!Including water,juice, tea,coffee,horlicks and especially smoothies!
13

Cappo Del Monte,

23/04/2008 12:52:54
#11
The council chose the road of not putting a blanket ban in place like Glasgow and other places.
If the police decide you are causing bother they can inforce a bylaw to prevent you drinking.
Better that than a blanket ban
14

emax,

23/04/2008 12:54:30
i'm the pole and i think that we're not causing the problems on the streets or in the parks after dark (there're some idiots, of course, and that's a big shame...). some time ago i worked as the nightwatchman in the longstone area and the fact is the people who causing problems are underage drinkers (or neds) and police seems to be not interested at all with that. regards.
15

Bertie The Bat,

23/04/2008 12:54:34
Just thought of this anagram.

Polish migration = Hooliganism trip.

Hmm.
16

Bertie The Bat,

23/04/2008 12:56:19
14 # emax,

Powitanie do Edynburgu. prawdziwy swiat.
17

Edin,

23/04/2008 13:11:41
4# you dont't have a scooby doo.Go and learn some English
18

Edin,

23/04/2008 13:18:10

Polskie reguly. kochamy zeby pic
19

Bertie The Bat,

23/04/2008 13:21:09
#18 JayDeeTe

Youre far too kind! but I thank you anyway.
ha ha ha.
20

Filled Rolls,

Edinburgh 23/04/2008 13:23:23
If drinking in public is an offence, then everyone has to be treated the same way. I think it is a good move to warn Polish people that it's not allowed.

21

Bertie The Bat,

23/04/2008 13:23:29
#19 Edin

Why do you like the zeby pic?
22

JML,

23/04/2008 13:25:39
I'm at a loss as to why the signs are written in Polish. As far as I'm concerned, if you live and work in this country you should have a good knowledge of the English language.
23

Bertie The Bat,

23/04/2008 13:27:53
Your article
"Leith has a significant Polish population which, since the country's admission into the EU in 2004, has integrated well with the local community"

"Intergrated well with the local community"?
Dont think so somehow.
24

Angus R,

23/04/2008 13:28:43
Well you can tell the posters who dont use Pilrig Park thats for sure!!

Maybe if they tidied after themselves not leaving empty cider bottles and super strength lager cans and didnt urinate against the trees in full view regular park users wouldn't have such a problem.

Unless you actually go to the park please don't bother giving your nonsense opinion
25

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23/04/2008 13:33:06
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Audio,

Edinburgh 23/04/2008 13:39:50
#13
WHAT????
They're banning blankets as well?
;-P
27

Bertie The Bat,

23/04/2008 13:43:25
28
The Genuine Mario Antoinette

Manic depressive?
Since when were you a Doctor?
Some of the Polish are Scottish?.... Thats a totally non sensical reply.
Hurry hurry! dinner time is over, back to school. Go on, Away with you, shoo!
28

Bertie The Bat,

23/04/2008 13:48:42
32...The Genuine Mario Antoinette

No.I read what I saw in front of me,but I WILl accept your apology.Apology accepted.
29

Bertie The Bat,

23/04/2008 13:50:55
Time for work now.I hate the back shift.
Should be in the pub for 11pm.
Sorry if offended any Poles.
it wasnt meant on purpose, it came naturally.
----------------------> I'm outs here!
30

Rv2!,

23/04/2008 14:40:09
If these people are integrating well into the community then they would learn to read English. We, as a country, should start expecting people to meet our needs rather than the other way around.

It is completely out of order to expect every part of the UK to start producing signs in "tens of languages" and support with translators at out cost. If they need interpreters then THEY pay for them, just like I would have to in Poland. The only saving for us is that most of the world learn English so this helps us be lazy, and probably makes things easier for us abroad.
31

Unimpressed one,

23/04/2008 14:41:23
#8, a word of advice, depress the "Caps Lock" button.
32

Deek1875,

Leith 23/04/2008 14:43:53
I took the little un to the swings on Saturday at Pilrig Park. 2 Polish blokes, one of them with the girlfriend/wife and what must have been a baby of about 6 months. Clean cut and causing no hassle at all. Cue classic moment when a bottle of buckfast came out to be shared amongst them. Fair play they were'nt causing anyone any grief but it's not a good look! We had to leave though when the disrespectful local neds came out with the white lightening and nosiy swearing. fricking broken glass everwhere as well.
33

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23/04/2008 15:09:23
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punch ogilvie,

Pilrig 23/04/2008 15:17:51
A knock-on problem of people drinking in Pilrig Park is litter. I'm fed up picking up empty cans and bottles. The park is unsightly with all the litter lying about. It's an embarrassment that visitors to the city have to put up with it. Time the Council stepped in and slapped a few on-the-spot litter fines on the culprits. That would soon encourage the others not to leave a mess.
35

EnEm,

EDINBURGH 23/04/2008 15:19:51
Um.... Are there many signs about it in English, already?

Seems like there's a gun being jumped, here.
36

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 23/04/2008 15:21:24
This is outrageous!

The VAST majority of Poles that I have had the privilege to know are responsible drinkers and it is civilised to have wine or beer with your picnic in a public park.

Here in Ottawa we are more sane than the dimwit council in Leith. There IS a bylaw on the books that frowns on drinking in our MANY, MANY beautiful parks but the bylaw officers and the police ignore it or turn the other way because Ottawa is home to over 140 embassies and many countries, such as Poland, allow civilised imbibulation with your picnic lunch or supper.

The park nearest to me - Strathcona Park - borders on at least 15 embassies or embassy residences and those who are approached COULD claim diplomatic immunity but our civic officers and the Ottawa Police Services know that, as long as it is not rowdy and out-of-hand and with drunks lurching about, LEAVE THEM ALONE!

If only Leith councillors were not such pigheaded pragmatists and prigs.
37

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23/04/2008 15:26:09
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38

frannylee,

Penicuik 23/04/2008 16:09:36
#8 Didn't know that one but not the least surprised. I know for a fact that Asians buy nearby competing shops when they come up for sale and will happily leave them lying empty to keep out the competition.
39

Deek1875,

Leith 23/04/2008 16:16:40
#8 #45 - given we are talking about extremely small businesses that are hardly tesco/asda, that actually strikes me as clever business practice. If it's true. and if it is true they must lease them to non competitive businesses. or maybe your on the wind up. sod it, back to work.
40

frannylee,

Penicuik 23/04/2008 16:44:29
#46 No, not on the wind up. True story. Clever business practice maybe but it has ruined many areas of Edinburgh, which had a good selection of local businesses competing against each other, as they can control the types of businesses trading. And yes, you are 100% correct to say they only lease them to non competitive businesses so they have total domination of their chosen market so the customer has little or no choice but to use them.
41

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23/04/2008 17:07:38
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42

Smackhead,

Leith Edinburgh 23/04/2008 18:26:32
Poles are a pain sorry. Drink in bars like everyone else here or sit indoors. Simple really. Why should they be allowed to break the laws when real citizens here cannot?
43

Smackhead,

Leith Edinburgh 23/04/2008 18:31:32
~43
No one here cares about your seal killing lands obscure little laws. Stop wiping out an entire culture of mammals then come here again eh?
44

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 23/04/2008 20:13:50
54 Smackhead

Your reference to another contentious subject is out of place in this forum.

If possible please stick with the subject if you can get away from the "smack". Thank you.
45

Smackhead,

Leith Edinburgh 23/04/2008 21:18:58
#55
I make this a subject to discuss. You do not. Like I say, get back to the seal killing that your dire country participates in. Stay off here you sad sorry little provincial. Thank you. Always great to hear the rabid crap from the colonists.
46

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23/04/2008 21:45:08
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Boring comment detective,

Edin 23/04/2008 22:01:45
is it me?
Can we club you instead? I am on the train to do in your head. As your a air/food/posession gobbling little ba$tard, that wastes the resources human kind needs to survive. Club is ready if your head is ....
48

is it me?,

Edinburgh 23/04/2008 22:07:27
#56 & 58
Hello ducky.
49

Smackhead,

Aloha! 23/04/2008 22:54:32
#57
Dinnae think I ken you bam? Do I?
As for yer garbage about seals..tsk. Have a word. Everyone knows your the fattest cu@t on the planet...aye?
50

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23/04/2008 23:13:13
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51

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 24/04/2008 08:23:10
Smackhead is a stupid druggie and should stick to the subject at hand in various forums.

By forever bringing in the seal hunt in Canada shows that he has a VERY short attention span predicated by his excessive fondness for drink and Class A drugs and whatever else helps him to endure his dismal existence.
52

D Fiasco,

Borders 24/04/2008 09:15:24
#23 - off all the comments posted, yours is the ONLY one that makes sense.
53

JML,

24/04/2008 11:40:53
Foo - You're in Kyoto? So I take it you're one of the many British people that feel that everyone else in the world should speak YOUR language.

I speak 6 languages (3 fluently) in order to make the effort in foreign countries I visit. If I live somewhere where English isn't the first language, I don't expect everyone to conform and speak mine!!!

In Ireland (for example), most documents were written in two languages, up until recently they were written in Irish and English. Now it's Polish and English.

I welcome anyone from any nation to live in the UK as long as they integrate with OUR society.

So get off your damn high-horse and listen to yourself for a second.
54

David Harrington,

Edinburgh 24/04/2008 12:08:01
The police are going to have trouble getting people behind this as either the writer of this article or the police doesn't understand the bylaw - it is not illegal to drink in public - it is illegal if you are causing a nuisance and are asked to stop by the police, but other than that there is no problem. The majority of people in Edinburgh should not be allowed to lose out because of a minority of troublemakers, and also the police need to be aware of the limit of their powers and people need to stand up to them if they are wrong
55

Smackhead,

Edinburgh Not seal killing country 24/04/2008 16:21:46
#61 Great come back child. Odd how your crap keeps getting deleted here on these forums eh? Well maybe not so odd as your a prize peice of sh@t.
#62
The subject at hand canuck you c@ck is that your woeful screwed up country will always be at the beating end of this stick until you as an inmate of that f@ck up country address the issue. So go get a new thread to go with the scum you live with. Clear now laddie?
56

disgusted with courts,

24/04/2008 17:21:01
#66......... "your woeful screwed up country" hmmm...are you referring to Canada? the country where Scots were desperate to immigrate to? and did!!! and are still trying. I admit it's not a patch on Scotland but talk sense....

If you could speak one sentence with sense in it, and not your uneducated opinion and mouth like a sewer, you would know not have a dose of verbal diahrrea...this thread is about public drinking, not for assaulting posters and other countries. I mean smarten up sunshine who in their right mind uses a nick like "smackhead" even if it is most suitable.
57

Smackhead,

24/04/2008 18:37:28
#67
Well thks for your garbage opinion. One I have no interest in or care to hear from you. Canada may be the place your trying to get to but not me! If you try reading then you may notice this 'poster' started attaking this country first. So wise up and for gods sake get a new handle you balloon. Its pitiful. Disgusted by YOU.
58

disgusted with courts,

25/04/2008 19:03:01
I expected a nonsensical reply from a person who calls him/herself crackhead, so I have one word for you

ZIPPPPPPPPPPPITTTTTTTTTTTT!!!

59

celtic4,

USA 19/06/2008 01:17:03
Make the Poles or whoever learn the language, then put signs up everyone can read. Simple.
60

Bruce Lee,

13/10/2008 18:34:57
section 112 of the civic government(scotland)act 1982 makes it an offence to drink in public parks. Get your facts right before making silly comments

 

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