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Published Date: 17 June 2009
THEY have already sparked the ire of mums by outlawing prams, and now Lothian Buses chiefs look set to have another fight on their hands – after banning mobility scooters.
Multiple sclerosis sufferer Sonya Cullen, 42, who lives in Granton, said she often used the buses until last year when a policy change meant she was unable to take her scooter on board.

The bus company says there were safety issues with carrying scooters, and it is not obliged to take them under the Disability Discrimination Act. Ironically, the controversial ban on non- collapsible prams was brought in to comply with the same act, to leave space for wheelchairs.

Many other bus companies, including Stagecoach, allow scooters on board, and David Griffiths, chief executive of the Edinburgh-based disability rights group Ecas, today called for a more consistent approach by bus companies.

Ms Cullen said the change in policy had restricted her independence. As she is unable to drive because of her condition, she has to pay about £20 for a return journey by taxi to the city centre. She uses a small, lightweight scooter that can be transported in a car boot.

She said: "I can't walk very far, and the scooter means I don't have to rely on someone else. I've got my own independence.

"They have spent millions of pounds on introducing low-floored buses to make them accessible, but then they won't let me on. I can't understand why London buses and Stagecoach don't have a problem with letting me on, but I can't travel around my own city. It means I'm effectively trapped in Granton most of the time."

Lothian Buses said a recent study by the Department for Transport found that some types of scooter could not be carried safely. The study concluded that bus companies could decide whether or not to carry them.

A spokesman said: "A DfT study concluded that bus operators are obliged to operate safely and may choose not to carry people in scooters, even when it is physically possible to load them, due to concerns over size, manoeuvrability and stability.

"As mobility scooters come in so many different models and sizes it is impossible for drivers to assess the safety of each vehicle. The safety of our passenger is always our major concern."

THE PRAMS BAN FIGHT
22 July 2008: New mum Kirsti Mill is shocked to find she is banned from travelling on Lothian Buses with her baby son Oakley in his pram. The company has told drivers not to allow prams on board in order to keep space free for wheelchair users.

28 July: Parents begin a campaign to overturn the pram ban, enlisting the support of local MP John Barrett and MSP Margaret Smith.

30 September: The Equality and Human Rights Commission joins the city council in calling for a "commonsense" approach to the row.

5 November: MSPs condemn the "ridiculous" ban, after mothers present a petition with more than 2,000 signatures at the Scottish Parliament.

11 February 2009: Holyrood's public petitions committee calls on Lothian Buses to meet campaigners and try to find a solution. Capability Scotland, the Edinburgh Disability Forum and Ecas all call for a compromise to be found.

24 March 2009: Lothian Buses announces plans to bring in new vehicles with dedicated spaces for prams and buggies. It expects the new buses will make up half the fleet in two or three years' time.

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  • Last Updated: 17 June 2009 10:13 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Lothian Buses
 
1

ZipptJeffrey,

Castle 17/06/2009 11:55:14
Seriously Lothian buses mangement are assclowns. They said they couldnt let mums with prams on the buses to make space for disabled people. now they c\nt let on disabled people full stop.

The management and director of Lothian buses ALL NEED SACKED. Simple as that. Assclowns.
2

NorT,

Edinburgh 17/06/2009 12:01:15
The scooters should not be allowed on buses. They are much larger than a wheelchair and could be a safety hazard.
3

bertiblunt,

17/06/2009 12:02:59
For once i agree with LRT, look at the size of that scooter where the hell could you safely park it on a bus?? plus its feckin electric so why the hell does she need to get a bus anyhow??
4

Foo,

17/06/2009 12:03:28
I was under the impression that those with mobility problems, such as MS sufferers are entitled to subsidised taxis?

Has the lady in question explored this option as it may be a work around for her predicament?

If scooters cannot be carried safely then I fully understand why this would cause Lothian buses to refuse to carry.

5

Charlie White,

Edinburgh 17/06/2009 12:03:39
I agree with Lothian Buses on this one. The scooters are too big to be taken on the bus. Surely if the woman is actually disabled she could get herself a nice little wheelchair and a place on the bus.

6

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17/06/2009 12:03:47
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Skip McClendon,

17/06/2009 12:04:08
So now Lothian Buses have banned prams AND people with physical disabilities? What a caring, sharing lot they are! It seems that only people who are grown enough or healthy enough to walk and don't actually need buses are now allowed to use buses...

Who will they ban next, I wonder? Guide dogs?
8

Mince Pie Supper,

17/06/2009 12:05:51
Come on we need to mention the Trams!
9

Skip McClendon,

17/06/2009 12:06:31
#6, #7

How can you seriously question if this woman is really diabled? She has Multiple sclerosis FFS!
10

Skip McClendon,

17/06/2009 12:06:58
#11 really DISABLED...
11

alfonsa pedrosa,

embra 17/06/2009 12:07:45
Why dont Lothian Buses have a trailer,just think of the ammount prams and scooters they could haul.
12

Mince Pie Supper,

17/06/2009 12:08:33
I remember when Jimmy Saville (pictured above) used to do the Evening News Charity Walk.

Shame.
13

FreddieIII,

17/06/2009 12:08:39
#11 - OK, she has MS and but is also morbidly obese, still does not mean she can take a bloody scooter on a bus - if she is so disabled she should apply or buy a wheel chair, problem solved.
14

Foo,

17/06/2009 12:11:09
Ahem Fresian, she is an MS sufferer.

And I seem to remember that in the past you have provided your height and weight to the forum and you turned out to be morbidly obese.
15

Mince Pie Supper,

17/06/2009 12:11:31
What's better, MS Vista or Apple OS X.
16

jdships,

Edinburgh 17/06/2009 12:12:30
5 Foo,
Agree totally with your take on this .
17

Skip McClendon,

17/06/2009 12:12:44
#15

Ever think that people with MS might put some weight on as a result of having a severe condition that, you know, limits their ability to move about and therefore to exercise?
18

Foo,

17/06/2009 12:13:06
Apple OS X
19

FreddieIII,

17/06/2009 12:16:46
#17 - that is a personal attack, the issue is should scooters be allowed on buses, not an attack on her per se. The clear answer is no scooters. I have lived in the US and had the misfortune to need public transport to go from home to work. Every day a scooter owner, always morbidly obese, would jump to the front of the line, as they need to be loaded first, normally with at least 7 family members. The bus then takes five minutes to adjust the bus height, the driver gets out to put up the ramp - then the same when they get out. All consuming time and the scooter takes up at least 4-6 seats and standing areas. Not good when all you do is want to get home.
20

FreddieIII,

17/06/2009 12:18:27
#20 - there is no link between MS and getting fat. I would suggest eating less if your capacity to be mobile is reduced.
21

Brian M,

Edinburgh 17/06/2009 12:19:27
Why doesn't she use the services of Handicabs?
22

Skip McClendon,

17/06/2009 12:19:35
#23

There is no link between inability to exercise and weight gain? On what planet?
23

FreddieIII,

17/06/2009 12:22:04
Skip, there is no link between inability to exercise and weight gain. There is clear evidence, however, that consuming too many calories results in weight gain.
24

Chip Stencil II,

17/06/2009 12:23:30
yuppie flu
25

Julien Donkey Kong,

17/06/2009 12:24:25
The buses aren't designed to hold Mobility scooters. It's that simple.
26

Foo,

17/06/2009 12:24:38
26

You're so wrong, you've gone beyond being just wrong and are now occupying somewhere between fantasy and stupid.
27

Skip McClendon,

17/06/2009 12:29:01
#26

There is clear evidence that you're talking nonsense.

#27

I think you'll find that's ME, not MS.
28

Vivas,

Edinburgh 17/06/2009 12:29:15
Theres no way in this world that that scooter can easily be got onto - stored - and out of ... a Lothian bus. Where the hell would it go ? Its insane...

Regardless of the womans condition, LRT are right on this one..its totally impractical.
29

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 17/06/2009 12:32:36
There is a world of difference between mobility scooters and wheelchairs, even motorised wheelchairs.

Once again, it should come down to the old fashioned "first come, first served" principle. If wheelchair, pram, scooter users and the bus company can't behave like adults, then we should go back to Routemasters. Then none of them would be able to use a bus and perhaps the rest of us would get a bit of peace.
30

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17/06/2009 12:37:22
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31

Herman The German,

17/06/2009 12:39:26
Should be quite straight forward to fit her scooter with a pantograph,then she can zoom around the tram network.
32

totally indecent,

17/06/2009 12:39:46
Can I take my smart car on the bus?
33

Foo,

17/06/2009 12:43:53
32

Count yourself lucky you aren't part of a group in society that requires a bit of extra assistance. If we were all as selfish and uncaring as you then the world would be a terrible place.

We build you roads to drive your Vitara on, we build you hospitals to fix your fat filled arteries, we provide car parking for your Vitara, an 'education' and all the others things you take for granted. In the same way society provided for you, we can provide for others who have slighlty different needs. Stop thinking just about yourself.
34

steve 1511,

aberdeen 17/06/2009 12:47:24
a wee trailer on the back of the bus is the answer
35

malcyh,

17/06/2009 12:48:53
#36 but saying "we" you mean the tax payer, and some will pay more than others so your point is?
36

Loo Roll,

17/06/2009 12:49:13
rolls her eyes
37

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17/06/2009 12:51:04
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Big bob 79,

17/06/2009 12:51:32



We need to get rid of all low floor buses, put steps back in and door centre poles

This will stop all this rubbish,

We will have people trying to lift cookers on buses AGAIN!......

There used to be nealy 30 seats in the lower dack of buses, now there are less than 20!.... Where will it end.




39

Incandescent,

17/06/2009 12:53:52
Standing in for Duncan today, Foo?
40

Loo Roll,

17/06/2009 12:55:28
It will end when there is no seats on the bus and you can only get on when you bring your own set of wheels.
41

Foo,

17/06/2009 12:55:33
28

No, not taxpayers, you totally missed the point.

Society has provided. Sure taxpayers pay tax...but politicians chose how to spend it, and society votes them in, you don't have to be a taxpayer.

So my point is...society is tasked with providing for all, not just the majority, as you and your demented buddy would have it.
42

hibbywul,

17/06/2009 12:56:56
handicabs and a taxi card is the answer. No way should a scooter like this be allowed on buses.
43

P I Staker,

17/06/2009 12:59:40
#10 M P S - yep, I understand these scooters will be allowed - maybe not ON the tram but either on a wee trailer with a rain canopy getting pulled behind or pushed in front. The alternative being considered is providing a bogey for the scooters to drive on to and run along the tracks, though they will be restrained somewhat by having to run to the timetable, ie they won't run until about 2015 (that's the year, not quarter past eight).

Right that's got the tram aspect in to the story.

Next?
44

Big bob 79,

17/06/2009 13:00:16
If she thinks its bad now its gonna get a whole lot worse!....
Lothian buses have been chopping the 32 back for years and it will not last much longer, this problem can be easily solved, removed the last of the 32 route early
45

Foo,

17/06/2009 13:01:14
42

Nah, just hate selfish gits that think only of themselves and the narrow minded inward looking lives they lead.

If you note #5, I actually agree that if its not safe, she shouldn't be allowed on, there are other transport options available to her. As someone pointed out, Handicabs provide an excellent service.
46

Realist,

edinburgh 17/06/2009 13:01:15
In the unlikely event that the tram ever gets to Granton, she probably will not get on that either if experience if the following article is anything to go by!!!

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/north-east-news/todays-evening-chronicle/2008/08/27/scooter-ban-robs-us-of-our-freedom-to-travel-72703-21615778/
47

Julien Donkey Kong,

17/06/2009 13:04:38
The mods'll want on with their Lambretta scooters next.
48

Rambo The Jambo,

17/06/2009 13:09:24
Disabled or not, she is effectively trying to take an on the road motorised vehicle on a bus fit only for passengegers and prams etc- NOT vehicles.

She has no complaint here, to allow this vehicle on a bus would endanger other passengers.

LRT are absolutely correct on this one.



49

Rap,

17/06/2009 13:20:03
I am constantly amazed by the forums on this newspaper. The cowards who inhabit it and feel cocky enough to take potshots at just about anyone they fancy, free in their anonymity - bet you'd be too bloody scared to do that if your names were suddenly revealed, wouldn't you?

I can't work out the cause, but I'm prepared to bet you are likely to all be men. The comments are not just pathetically bitchy but down right nasty and vicious. So are all you sick gits all short and suffering from Napolean complex, or lacking in the trouser dept so feel the need to attack someone else to make you feel better?
50

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17/06/2009 13:20:21
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51

Ecto,

17/06/2009 13:23:43
Presumably old Sonia doesn't need to get on the bus to go to the chippy or her fridge as it looks like she aint missed many meals!
52

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17/06/2009 13:25:12
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53

Rap,

17/06/2009 13:25:15
I'm betting you fall into the empty trouser category Ecto, am I right?

Leave the woman alone you coward.
54

Ecto,

17/06/2009 13:28:36
My trousers are very full thanks Rap
55

Rap,

17/06/2009 13:30:19
Yes of smelly brown stuff I bet.
56

Foo,

17/06/2009 13:30:39
I'm not sure if the battery woud allow it, but the distance from Granton to the City centre is only about 3.5 miles. I expect these Scooters do a little over walking speed (4.5mph), so say 6mph.

So it would only take about 35 mins. Not bad.
57

Brian Ferrari,

17/06/2009 13:30:39
Rap - r u 2 cowardly 2 reveal your real name 2?
58

P I Staker,

17/06/2009 13:32:03
#52 no attack, just good to see you here and welcome to the forum!!
Guess YOUR real name is Rap.
59

Rap,

17/06/2009 13:34:08
If the cowards attacking this woman (who has no right/forum to respond) does I will of course. And I'd be happy to make these comments to their faces. just because yours looks like a real name it doesn't actually mean it is does it Bri? So don't get all holier than thou with me.
60

Rap,

17/06/2009 13:35:07
Mr Pistaker, I'm not attacking an innocent women for fun, am I, so no name required.
61

Foo,

17/06/2009 13:36:03
62

She could respond on this forum.
62

Rap,

17/06/2009 13:38:36
she could, if she knew idiots were slagging her for just having her photo in the paper. But until then, the chimps are just throwing their faeces around as usual.
63

totally indecent,

17/06/2009 13:39:38
Come down off your soap box Mr Rap - it's a bit of fun and if she would like to contribute she can - often they do and it gets even funnier. If you can't handle it don't get your photy in the local rag or if you canny pooh get off the pot.
64

Bill MacD,

17/06/2009 13:43:54
And where, exactly, should Lothian Buses' obligation to carry anyone and anything end? Some mobility scooters are so large they'd need a pick up truck!
65

Rap,

17/06/2009 13:43:56
So because I am defending a woman I'm on a soap box and the cretins should be allowed to make vicious comments? Perhaps if I'm on the soapbox I'm out of the gutter.

"Wheel Chairs are for the disables, mobility Scooters are for the morbidly obese and the like who are not disabled."

"#20 - there is no link between MS and getting fat. I would suggest eating less if your capacity to be mobile is reduced."

And thankfully the nasty comments about schemies and the woman's attractiveness have been removed by the moderator You are seriously defending that behaviour?

66

Chris R,

Melrose 17/06/2009 13:44:03
Look at this woman in the picture (as an example). What do you think would happen if the bus had to make a sudden swerve or something? The woman is clearly top heavy for the scooter - She would fall off, damage herself even more, sue the bus company and the poor driver would probably end up sacked because Lothian Buses would blame him/her! Keep the scooters off! What did these scooter owners do before low floors came on the scene? In fact, most of the 32 services do not have low floors, what does she do then? Stay in or get a taxi????
67

Foo,

17/06/2009 13:46:12
68, calm down, you'll give yourselg a heart attack and end up in a scooter, and we all know what kind of problems that will lead to.
68

Linmal,

Livingston 17/06/2009 13:46:15
I agree with Lothian Buses here. Mobility Scooters are far too large to go on a bus in comfort. What about the other passengers? What about their rights? There just isn't enough room for one of these contraptions. Can't the lady use a wheelchair when she needs to get a bus? A lot of the shopping centres have motorised scooters you can use when you get there and surely this would solve the problem? I sympathise, but honestly, you just have to be practical.
69

totally indecent,

17/06/2009 13:48:48
68 - Yes yes ok you are right. We are all very bad people who should not make bad comments on bad newspaper stories. May we all burn for eternity in the burny fire.
70

big man,

Lonstone 17/06/2009 13:49:33
As a PSV Driver and a parent who has a boy who uses a wheelchair, am totaly against this type of scooter, for a start its operated by the use of batteries, which isnt allowed on buses amd also the size of it, yes there are many variants of scotter all are different, but i think for once the EEN is taking this to far, after all be practical about it all, common sense does prevail, look at this way, what would happen if the ramp was lowered down the let the person on and the scotter fell over with the person still on it, now that would be a story and who would the blame lie with ?.
71

Rap,

17/06/2009 13:52:31
#72 fingers crossed, fingers crossed. Would certainly improve the fetid atmosphere of these forums.
72

Xena - Warrior Princess,

17/06/2009 13:52:49
#72 Be careful what you wish for!
73

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 17/06/2009 13:54:27
Foo:

What has led you to believe that I drive a Suzuki Vitara?

If you took the trouble to actualy read my post, you would realise that I am advocating the EVERYONE has the use of our buses. I am also advocating the use of common sense and saying at the same time that if people insist on behaving like kids, then they should be treated like kids and have the facility "taken away" from them by nanny.

I'm sorry if it's confusing.
74

Chris R,

Melrose 17/06/2009 13:56:56
Another good point 73 - Is this really headline news anyway?? I'm sorry the lady has health problems, but go to EEN to take it out on Lothian Buses, Deal with it and move on to the other options (there ARE alway other options!!)
75

Foo,

17/06/2009 13:57:07
76

"Then none of them would be able to use a bus and perhaps the rest of us would get a bit of peace."

Who is 'them'?

Who are 'us'?

76

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 17/06/2009 13:58:08
Actually it's a good idea to put these scooters on buses. That means that the people who ride them are less likely to try to do so along a busy, four-lane motorway intersection as a certain pensioner decided to do in the Portsmouth area some time ago.
77

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 17/06/2009 14:04:09
Foo:

I've already explained my post in words of one syllable in the hope that you would understand. I'm not doing it again.

"I expect these Scooters do a little over walking speed (4.5mph), so say 6mph."

They'd do a bit more than that if you fitted a Rover V8 to them!
78

AntiEdinburghWhingers,

17/06/2009 14:09:43
I'm afraid the lady is blatantly lying when she says that London buses allow mobility scooters: the Transport for London website makes it perfectly clear they do not.

Try doing some research Ms Mollison: I found out this out in two minutes using this thing called 'The Internet'. Perhaps the Evening News might permit its 'journalists' access to this novel research tool?! Alternatively, try 'telephoning'.

In any case, this is not news. Mobility Scooters have NEVER been allowed! Buses are not limitless in their ability to cater for each and every individual requirement!
79

Jack Daniels,

17/06/2009 14:11:56
Lothian Buses haven't been called LRT for quite sometime now people.......
80

Linmal,

Livingston 17/06/2009 14:14:18
#75 I haven't wished for anything except that people stop being so selfish and use a bit of common sense, a quality that is sadly lacking nowadays. I have every sympathy for this lady. I have cared for people with MS and know how hard it is. However, the practicalities are that it is simply not a good idea to put these scooters on a bus. They would be a hazard to other passengers. There are smaller, motorised wheelchairs available or an ordinary wheelchair for when it was necessary to use the bus. And why not try using the dial-a-bus service? That caters very well for wheelchair users.
81

Foo,

17/06/2009 14:18:57
Rover V8, yes, quite an iconic engine.
82

Xena - Warrior Princess,

17/06/2009 14:20:21
#82 I wasn't referring to your post as you weren't #72. Like you I just wish people would use a bit of common sense, a quality that is sadly lacking nowadays when answering posts.
83

Linmal,

Livingston 17/06/2009 14:25:46
#85 - Yes I see that I looked down one - oops! You are so right. Everyone is so selfish nowadays and it is all about me, me, me!

Just think and see what alternatives can be found, they are available and it makes life better for everyone.
84

Linmal,

Livingston 17/06/2009 14:27:41
#54 Do you know anything about MS? I thought not. This lady will be unable to get about and have no exercise. If you were in that situation you would put on weight too. It is part of the illness.

Just thank God that you haven't got it as it is a hideous disease.
85

Jingsitsme,

EDINBURGH 17/06/2009 15:18:24
Buses are not equipped to carry Mobility scooters.

The lady whilst has a special need is lucky she has use of a mobility scooter more than many in same predicament. She is not trapped! I meet a couple most days going into local supermarket and people in them stay about a couple of miles away.

London buses do not carry mobility scooters.

Be fair to the buses!
86

Jingsitsme,

EDINBURGH 17/06/2009 15:20:25
in addition to my comment in 88 the lady has the facility of taxi cabs etc so she is NOT trapped in any way except by her illness which she has to except like most of us.
87

PaulB,

Edinburgh 17/06/2009 16:06:26
I feel very sorry for anyone with disablities but surely the point of an electric scooter is to travel without the need to go on buses at all? I fully back Lothian Buses on this issue, as these scooters are far too bulky to be accommodated on a public bus service witout posing a serious risk to health and aafety of other passengers. Here is a link to the Dept of Transport's website which states the policies for different companies. Please note that Firstgroup do not allow these scooters either! so some porkies being told by sonmeone! http://www.dft.gov.uk/transportforyou/access/tipws/cmspt/carriageofmobilityscooterson6163?page=5
88

Jack Bond,

Tranent 17/06/2009 16:10:23
Just been doing some research, and she could get the dial-a-bus/ride for £3.00 single from West Harbour Rado, Granton to George St, she needs to register and that costs £5.00 pa, so she is not stuck in Granton, she has just jumped to the band wagon and having a pop at Lothian Buses, or is just the EEN stiring it it up again. I used to but the paper daily, but wont buy it now, i read it on line and its free
89

Foo,

17/06/2009 16:17:31
90 - Equality for those with disabilities does not mean they need the pity from others. A small but significant point I feel.


90

PaulB,

Edinburgh 17/06/2009 16:24:04
Good point Foo - and apologies for my dreadful typing!
91

Brian Ferrari,

17/06/2009 17:02:50
The Court of Public Opinion has found for the defendant. Case dismissed.

Next!
92

The Sheriff,

17/06/2009 18:44:50
FFs it's a bus service they are running no a fecking scooter taxi service why doesn't she get a motability car?
93

The Sheriff,

17/06/2009 18:46:38
She also needs to go on a diet.
94

zebrafied,

17/06/2009 18:55:23
As far as I was aware scooters were never allowed on Lothian Buses. I've certainly never seen one being allowed on. I'd certainly love to see how you fit something that size on most 'accessible' buses! I have a small adult wheelchair and the other week I found I was too wide to fit between the seats and 'The Pole'. Other passengers had to help me get out of my chair and take a wheel off before it could be put in the space and then the same in reverse so I could get off. The rest of the time getting round 'The Pole' is enough of a challenge!

As I've said previously, both parents and disabled people who plan to use public transport must take this into account when choosing their buggy/mobility aid. We ALL have to compromise but at the end of the day a disabled person with an appropriate wheelchair has the right to the space.

For those who have been suggesting Taxicard and Handicabs. Taxicards can be VERY difficult to get, can only be used for 1 return journey per week (or something equally pitiful) and only give a relatively small discount. Handicabs are also not ideal, especially if you need to be somewhere at a particular time.
95

darthpaul,

17/06/2009 20:16:31
lothian busses will soon ban people as there are serious safety issues included in the carrying of passengers.

i remember the good old days when you could smoke on busses and have a friendly banter with the stoners up the back.
96

elayne,

17/06/2009 21:10:00
ms cullen should use "dial a ride"or equivelant(its called dial a ride here dunno about edinburgh but im sure they have something similar)i sympathise with ms cullen but really buses are too small and narrow for some of the scooters and users may have problems with access
97

Pilrig,

Livingston 17/06/2009 22:33:49
15 - ignoramus
98

Pilrig,

Livingston 17/06/2009 22:37:16
41 - big bob wi' the wee brain
99

Pilrig,

Livingston 17/06/2009 22:40:16
60 and Ferrari's your real name ? f**k off !
100

sodajerk,

18/06/2009 00:47:20
91 - if she got on the band wagon she would not need the bus.not sure of the routes.in fact,if there is a wagon do we need the tram?
101

Disgrunted Ebardonian,

Edinburgh 18/06/2009 01:06:05
I totally agree with the bus company not to allow electronic gadgets on the buses you have to draw the line somewhere and there is the health and saftey aspect. As for being trapped in Granton, is a load of rubbish there is a bus group in Canaan Lane Morningside who have catered for the disabled for many years you have to register with them and for a small fee they will pick you up from your front door and take you to where ever you want to go and return and take you back and you are allowed to be escorted by 1 person.

 

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