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Published Date: 24 August 2006
SYRIA today threatened to close its border if UN peacekeepers try to prevent arms shipments to Hezbollah as Israel described the situation in Lebanon as "explosive".
A ceasefire was further shaken by artillery shells and explosions that killed three Lebanese soldiers and an Israeli.

Lebanese Prime Minister Fuad Saniora yesterday asked the US to help lift an Israeli blockade on his country's coast and airport - something Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said would not happen until UN troops are deployed along the Lebanon-Syria border.

Hezbollah's vast arsenal of rockets and other weapons, much of which is believed to originate in Iran, reaches the guerrillas across the frontier with Syria.

EU ambassadors and deputies met in Brussels to drum up volunteers for the force, but tentative pledges had reached just 4200 troops by yesterday - far short of the 15,000 called for by the UN.



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Rima,

24/08/2006 15:12:43

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Hugh Jars,

24/08/2006 16:22:53

Aww, come now Rima, surely you have more to say than that? We all look forward to your insights into the Lebanon situation.

Not being Lebanese, I don't know the ramifications, but surely if Syria close its borders, and arms stop getting supplied to Hizbollah then it is a good thing, no?

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jjulie,

24/08/2006 17:42:29

No it is not a Good thing ...

It is Israel and America ending up with what they want...

It is the American embacy and boarders that should be closed to stop arms getting supplied into Israel.

I tell you something, Israel would probably be selling its supplies to Hezbollah if it wasn't their neighbour...

I don't see what's so unfair with supplies reaching Hezbollah when supplies that are much more devastating are reaching Israel...

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Proud Infidel,

Canada 24/08/2006 18:21:04

By closing her Lebanese borders, Syria exempts herself from UN efforts to monitor & regulate her exports. Such a restriction would likely hamper the UN force there due to the sheer size of their major border. Syria doesn't seem to realize how close she is to being severely damaged. Iran is pledged to defend Syria & US is pledged to defend Israel, so if the Israeli conflict spreads, which it very nearly did & certainly still could, Syria would be a battleground and would almost certainly be decimated. They just don't seem to get it. They have such a fine opportunity to act as peacemaker in the region but instead they boil over with radical Islamic hatred, spurred on by Iran. If only instead they'd implement a little Christian philosophy, things could improve very much. Imagine, forgiveness over reprisals? Friendship over hatred? This goes for Palestine & Lebanon as well. The whole world will bend over backwards to facilitate peace in the Middle East yet the Muslims in the region seem to vigorously prefer jihad! What a mess.

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jjulie,

25/08/2006 10:03:23

It was not Hezbollah children that were writing on their katyosha bombs a gift to Israeli children - But it was the Israeli children that were writing on their bombs (a gift to LEBANESE children)...the war was not against Hezbollah but the whole of lebanon. And it is Israel that is bread on hate.

Cyrus Ravage: Don't count on what you hear...go and read about the shiite Islamic ways of living and sayings...and i'm sure you'll be surprised to find that we have most of the christian concepts in our religioun...and we follow them.

It was not Hezbollah that started the war...it was two Israeli men that tresspassed the boarders came in and got captured as they have been doing ever since they existed and ever since the cease-fire happened. If Israel wanted peace it wouldn't hold onto 3 lebanese men or the Shabaa lands. But for somereason, it always wants to keep hold of something relating to all its neighbours. If it was you dad, brother or son that was still captures. WOULD YOU BE SO FORGIVING...WOULD YOU FEEL AT PEACE...WOULD THE WAR BE OVER TO YOU????
OR WOULD YOU WANT SOMEONE TO DO THEIR BEST TO BRING THEM BACK????

As for the 8 Israelis that were killed, they were killed on Lebanese ground when they came in with their tanks. I repeat - Hezbollah said they didn't want to wage war against Israel, but if Israel wants to wage war so be it. Then Israel started bombarding the lebanese air port, south and moved onto civilian areas...building, roads, bridges that are needed to help all the innocent. WHO WAS SO FORGIVING THEN.

Didn't you ask why Israel didn't ask for an exchange of men. BECAUSE, each time their captured men went back to them with dignity. They were never tortured or treated badly. Whereas, we all went to see the place where the captured were kept in the south. With its small rooms, electric fences, and a place where they were left naked to the winter cold and summer burning sun. WHO IS THE TORTURER THEN?? Sorry, they did well

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james,

England 25/08/2006 10:09:43

When it comes 'to PROMISES' let's not forget that 'TIME' is the father of all truth. it reveals itself.

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Proud Infidel,

Canada 25/08/2006 16:47:45

LOL, Julie claims that Israel started the war, not Hezbollah. Um, Julie, you do realize that simultaneous to the border skirmish where Hezbollah captured the two Israeli soldiers they launched multiple rockets into Israel? Would you not consider this an act of war? The Hezbollah party leader openly advocates the annihilation of the State of Israel as his supreme goal. Does this sound like a Christian concept to you? As you have suggested: I've read about Islam & I couldn't help but note that verse 8:7 of the Koran reads: "God wished to confirm the truth by His words, wipe the unbelievers out to the last"?' I believe this mentality is the cause of all the problems in the Middle East. When's the last time a terrorist attack was committed by a non-Muslim? Did the innocent Lebanese civilians not foresee the consequences of Hezbollah turning their country into an arms bunker against Israel? Wake up!

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jjulie,

25/08/2006 20:19:20

-LAUGH ALL YOU LIKE AND LIVE IN DENIAL-

Irsael was the one that 1st occupied Lebanon...if it wasn't for that...Hezbollah would never have been founded or existed as a defense (DEFENSE NOT TERRORIST) for Lebanon.

As for the boarder...wasn't it Israel that 1st tresspassed the boarder.

Hezbollah launched it's rockets over the boarder only after Israel had come in and bombarded the airport and inner structures with it's plains from that boarder...let alone the sky and sea....

Has a man of Hezbollah ever tresspassed your boarders..NOOO...but Israeli soldiers have always tresspassed our boarders, ever since they existed.

The Hezbollah leader said: Our capture of the soldiers is not declairing war against Israel. It is asking for an exchange of prisoners. But if Israel wishes to declare war against us...it is up to them. We will only lauch our rockets in retaliation to what they do in Lebanon...and so, this is what happened. He also threatedned...that if Israel was to bombard Beirut, it would launch rockets on Haifa in retaliation...and he did so days later, untill a great part of beirut was bombarded and heavily. He then said that if Israel goes on bombing Beirut, they will launch rocket that reach talabib...but allthough Israel did go on bombarding beirut harder than ever...Hezbollah did not bomb talabib...I WONDER WHY? Don't tell me it's because they don't have rockets that reach it...nor because they're cowards...we all know that if they wanted to they would have...SOOOOO

As for the verse...Muslim men are told to marry only believers who have the book. Meaning muslim men can marry ... muslim women - christian women and Jewish women. Do you think Islam would allow its men to marry Jewish women if it thought that they were non believers, it's as if your admitting that Israelies are non-believers. I wonder what the Jews have in their book...i'v heard many of such stories against not only muslims but others too. I only wish i had them

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jjulie,

25/08/2006 21:21:51

Cyrus Ravage

You also raise a good point. As not all christians and Jews follow their religiouns...and so it is the same with muslims. I REPEAT...Hezbollah, Iran & Syria condemn such acts...and the hadith you have read has nothing to do with the Quran, it is made up by many terrorist muslims just as Israel lookes for excuses to act out its TERROR ON LEBANON. Read the true hadith of Hezbollah and learn how it is against their beliefs to torture a captured prisoner...whereas, it is ok for Israel to torture muslim prisoners....

AL-QUAIDA & BENLADIN are the terrorists, and it is unfair to side them with other muslims. Islam does so believe in forgiveness and it is mentioned everywhere in the Quran. Tomorrow, with hope i will come up with some verses for you...so that i can be exact and get the exact translation.

As for those who claim that Al-quaida, September 11th and extremism has something to do with Hezbollah. I REPEAT, AL-Quaida is a sunni terrorist group killing thousands of shiites in Iraq (which is what the Americans are very happy about), whereas, Hezbollah is a shiite group. So how on earth can Hezbollah have anything to do with al-quaida or any of the other actions it condemned. Sayyid Hassan condemned the actions of September 11th if it was Al- quaida (NO TRUE EVIDENCE) and it condemned the killings of the Americans. This is not Islam even to most sunnis that are not under the force of Benladen, and even to many that were under Ben Laden's teachings. It is the leader Ben Laden that is the problem as it is OLMERT, BUSH & BLAIR that are the problems. Sayyid Hassan has done nothing wrong - he hasn't commited any terrorist attack, non of his defence soldiers have ever tresspassed into Israel, he has never praised any terrorist actions acted out by other muslims, ALL HE HAS DONE IS CREATE A GOOD DEFENCE FOR HIS COUNTRY AND PEOPLE - ISRAEL & AMERICA ARE FEELING SO GOOD ABOUT THAT. WHICH IS WHY THEY ARE DOING THEIR BEST TO MAKE

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jjulie,

25/08/2006 21:59:11

Cyrus Ravage

Just wanted to add - while i don't have any true evidence of Quranic verses for the time being, nor Sayyis Hassan's entire speech...i will tell you his words on forgiveness.

Sayyid Hassan: If a person comes and asks forgiveness from a muslim for something he said about him or something bad that he had done to him. A true muslim would say he is forgiven without even asking what it was that was said about him or done to him.

In many shiite preachings - it is explained and most shiite muslims here believe that, we must all forgive those who do wrong to us just as we'd like god to forgive us for our wrongs, just as we'd like to be forgiven by other people for our wrongs. If we don't forgive others then how are we expected to be forgiven.

IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BELIEVE ME - COME LIVE AMONG US AND SEE FOR YOURSELF....

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jjulie,

25/08/2006 22:03:02

ps: I THANK YOU FOR BEING SO EVIL AND THOUGHTLESS FOR SAYING WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT OUR MUSLIM PROPHET.

Whatever you read about him to make you think that - I tell you that it is FAKE - probably made up by some American who wants to make all muslims look like terrorists or by some idiot muslim terrorist who reads things his own way and doesn't know his true prophet.


I will not say what i heard about the new Jewish beliefs- because to me such people are not Jews. The true Jews are those that stand by us and know what their true religioun is as many of us muslims...

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Firozali A.Mulla MBA PhD,

Dar-Es-Salaam Tanzania 26/08/2006 09:52:46

I do not understand the phase close the borders. They are no boundaries between the Muslim States.
There never was any war with Gaza and Jordan. Why the fuss. UN is trying to to close the war that was. Never will any go for the Hizbulla. the 34 days showed this.
Jews or no jews or extrimists.
Syria is another country all together not Interested in the affairs of the outsiders. The prosperity is already there. So why bother.

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jjulie,

26/08/2006 10:11:18

Firozali A. Mulla MBA PhD

You may have a point there...yea, why the fuss...

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Anurag,

India (Dar al Harb) 27/08/2006 07:09:34

Cyrus Ravage.


"On the afternoon of 911 every Muslim nation erupted into unfettered jubilation; does anyone care to dispute this?"

I dispute this. Not just in muslim nations but the muslims in non muslim nations like mine were jubiliant. They organised rallies in India and some even got excited and burnt buses. While in the middle east they distributed sweets.

They blame the reaction in middle east on "US policies" or western imperialism. What do they blame the reaction in India on?

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Hugh Jars,

Galashiels 28/08/2006 12:54:45

Cyrus @10

"sole ‘prophet’ Muhammad was a terrorist, rapist, pedophile mass-murderer"

Funnily enough, I saw that to. And it seems to be a sentiment that is shared regardless of which "history book" you read.

But you better be careful Cyrus, the Muslims will declare a fatwa on you. Freedom of speech is not allowed when Muslims/Islam/Muhammad is concerned.

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Hugh Jars,

Galashiels 28/08/2006 12:58:58

Julie @12

"Sayyid Hassan: If a person comes and asks forgiveness from a muslim for something he said about him or something bad that he had done to him. A true muslim would say he is forgiven without even asking what it was that was said about him or done to him."

That's a bit condescending, is it not? Showing a bit of the old "Muslim superiority complex"? And anyway, how does this fit in with freedom of speech?

Question for you: Taking it further, you never told us what would happen if the "person" did not ask forgiveness? Would the 'true Muslim' turn the other cheek regardless? Or would you rely on someone telling you how to react?

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jjulie,

28/08/2006 22:29:34

John,

I said if a person didn't know he was wrongly done and someone came asking for his forgiveness. As for if he knew...As with christians and Jews, it is usually up to the person...but the people i live with whom also support Hezbollah all forgive those who do them wrong most of the time. As for the couple of idiot who don't...side them with the couple of christiand and Jewish idiots who don't.

As for freedom of speech...sorry where did you get that from.

And what you said about prophet muhammad...It kills me that you should say sooo "Whatever basterds who wrote that book and claimed that may go to hell"

How about I tell you what i heard about the new Jewish laws preached in Israel...by Jews who are not truly Jews just like some people who claim to be muslims but are truly not muslims.

1st - they are allowed to rape any woman who isn't Jewish.

2nd - they are allowed to do all they like and torture anyone who isn't jewish...

i could go on & on....

But I'll tell you something... I know those laws are not truly Jewish but only made up.
Just as you should know that what you said about prophet muhammad is wrong and only made up by those who are not truly muslims and wish to follow their extremist - non-islamic ways. THEY EXIST ONLY TO MAKE A MOCK OF THE ISLAMIC RELIGION.

And may the truth reveil itself...If you wish to believe what you believe...at least feel for my sake the same as i feel for the tur jewish people's sake...Stop calling my prophit names...

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jjulie,

28/08/2006 22:37:51

As for the fatwa situation...i would like to clear something up...muslims get to choose the person they want to follow according to whether they trust their fateawi or not. The fatwa has to do with whether you are convinced in it and whether the person putting them is a true muslim or not.

Those who follow the wrong fatwas or fatwas for the wrong reasons...and those who manipulate them will surly be punished for them as it is believed...whether it is those putting them or those following them...Even in Islam there is an extent of freedom of choice. And all muslims get to choose whether they want to follow their religioun or not here in Lebanon. I wouldn't be surprised if their was a number of homosexual muslims supporting Hezbollah....believe it or not...As for the fatwas - they are not forced upon those who are not muslims...In Lebanon anyways...

So if you are against those non-democratic, dictatorship countries that force their laws upon everyone (muslims or nonmuslims), who are also contradicted by many other muslims. How is it that America is allowing such countries to interfere with all that's going on, eg: Saudi Arabia and Jordan...Maybe because they have something to OFFER.

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Hugh Jars,

Galashiels 30/08/2006 12:09:52

Julie

Bashir Maan, the Scottish Spokesman for the Muslim Council of Britain, said in Feb this year:
"Islam forbids images of anybody. Images are forbidden in the Koran. There are many verses in the Koran which condemn worshipping idols. From that we draw that idols are paintings and pictures, and particularly pictures of the Prophet."

So, Islam forbids photographs, especially the "Prophet". How this is interpreted is up to the individual (?). But seeing as how the footage on tv showed the same reactions it seems you all felt the same, (Or were told to react?)

He then goes on to say:
"It (Islam) will never change because it covers everything. Islam is a way of life. It covers every aspect of human life. There is no room for innovation or changes there. Everything is proscribed."

No room for innovation or changes. An emminent Muslim trying to explain why his religion os trying to keep people in the dark ages. An emminent Muslim trying to explain why his religion breeds intolerance.

We then get:
"Most of the people in Islamic countries are emotional because there is more illiteracy than literacy, and that is the reason why some people go to extremes.
That is why some people take it too far.
That is not good for Islam and not good for them."

He now claims that most Muslims are illiterate, that it's THEIR own fault if they interpret the teachings, or believe what they are told.

He then ends with:
"I think there must be some sort of understanding between the West and Islam."

He admits that the people in the West are finally waking up to the harsh reality that is Islam.

So tell me Julie, please, is he wrong? Is he not "truly Muslim"? Does he exist to make a "mock of the Islam Religion"?

I hope you are correct and he is wrong, or maybe it is you who doesn't fully perceive the goings-on in your name, and t

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Hugh Jars,

Galashiels 30/08/2006 12:13:26

Julie @ 19

"As for freedom of speech...sorry where did you get that from."

Maybe you do have difficulty understanding nuances, or translating your thoughts into this language, but :

"Freedom of speech is the concept of being able to speak freely without censorship. It is often regarded as an integral concept in modern liberal democracies. The right to freedom of speech is guaranteed under international law through numerous human rights instruments, notably under Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and Article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights, although implementation remains lacking in many countries. The synonymous term freedom of expression is sometimes preferred, since the right is not confined to verbal speech but is understood to protect any act of seeking, receiving and imparting information or ideas, regardless of the medium used."

I apologise if "freedom of speech" is a concept alien to followers of Islam, I appreciate how your religion takes a dim view on various forms of freedom of expression.

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Proud Infidel,

Canada 30/08/2006 19:11:12

Julie, I'm not being mean when describing your 'prophet', just historically accurate. Yes, Muhammad consummated his marriage with a 9-year-old girl which qualifies as pedophilia - pretty much the opposite kind of behavior one would expect from the 'Messenger of God', don't you think? Or how about the scores of terrorist raids he conducted? Or the wholesale murders? You actually think some American made this stuff up? Your own Koran instructs a Muslim man to slay the unbelievers & to beat his wives! Your comments make Islam sound forgiving yet were that the case, Muslims would not be killing us Westerners (or each other). I'm pretty sure I know more about your religion than even you do based on your comments. For one thing, I am free to study any religion I wish without worry of being stoned or beheaded, which is nice. I wonder how things would be for you if you publicly denounced Islam in your neighborhood... I believe you have not been raised to think for yourself, rather you’ve been conditioned to submit (the very meaning of Islam!) Do you enjoy being brutalized with female circumcision or confined to those ridiculous outfits Muslim women must wear or sharing your husband with three other wives? Life does not have to be this way for you – sure it’s risky but there are ways of leaving Islam. I wish you the best & can tell you this much for sure: the eyes in the Western World are now open. We are aware of the scourge of Islam and it is not welcome here.


 

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