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Published Date: 26 January 2008
POLICE bosses today hailed a massive drop in the number of crimes committed across the Lothians over the last six months.
Offences fell dramatically over the period, with 5000 fewer crimes being recorded.

A huge drop in crimes such as housebreakings and car theft represent the bulk of the nine per cent decrease. Crimes involving violence, theft, sexual attacks, drugs and vandalism also fell against the same period in 2006.

Today's figures were released by Chief Constable David Strang and cover the period between April and December last year. Police chiefs said the drop was evidence that the force's strategy of early intervention to prevent crime and the targeting of prolific offenders was working.

They believe a policy of intelligence-led policing is responsible for the decrease, rather than a "statistical anomaly", and they expect the downward trend to continue.

However, today's figures also show a slight decrease in the proportion of crimes being solved, with 42 per cent of crimes cleared up by the force.

Superintendent Martin Gordon said: "The force is focused on a strategy of early intervention across a range of issues. That might come through visiting schools or raising the message about drugs or alcohol.

"We're also concentrating on an intelligence-led approach to deploy our resources rather than simply relying on putting more cops on the beat. The public are our eyes and ears, and we use that information in policing. It determines everything down to whether an officer turns left or right down Leith Walk when they start a shift. Analysis tells us where and when a problem may arise and we can be in place to deter it.

"Edinburgh is a relatively safe city, but high-profile incidents can increase the fear of crime. I don't believe the figures are a statistical anomaly. They are a reflection of the strategy the force is pursuing."

Supt Gordon highlighted last month's crackdown on crime in the city centre to coincide with the festive period as an example of successfully deploying officers to known trouble "hotspots".

A total of 496 offences were recorded in the city centre, compared with an average of 787 for the same month over the past three years.

The police have increasingly focused on tackling repeat offenders, including "career criminals" who specialise in shoplifting or housebreakings, and can be responsible for hundreds of offences.



Councillor Iain Whyte, convener of the police board, said: "I very much welcome the drop in recorded crime. It shows that the city is getting safer. The work the police are doing is beginning to have an effect and that is coming from a mixture of things, from early intervention to using intelligence.

"I would still like to see more police on the streets, but that's no good unless officers are targeted by intelligence in this way."

Mr Strang's report also revealed that officers had seized £1.4 million of drugs between April and December, of which Class A substances totalled £960,000.

The overall drop in crime comes despite a report showing Edinburgh has a higher murder rate than cities including Paris, Rome and Madrid, placing it 19th worst on a list of 33 European capitals.

Lothian and Borders Police predict the number of crimes between April last year and the coming March will be 71,000, a 9.5 per cent decrease on the previous year.

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  • Last Updated: 26 January 2008 2:00 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Law and Order
 
1

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 26/01/2008 12:48:23
They've been fiddling with the statistics again.

ANy Lothians care to disagree with these statistics?

Statistics can be "tweaked" to give the results any reseacher wants and in this case I think the police want to calm the good burghers of the Lothians and pat themselves on the back.

I DO NOT trust these "statistics" are they may be bogus.
2

Lothian voice,

West Lothian 26/01/2008 13:46:52
More likely people just dont bother reporting alot of the smaller crimes any more when thay know in some parts of the county you could wait 4 or more hours before a officer calls.Thats if thay bother more often thay will ask if thay can take a statement over the phone.There policy seems to be ignore it & it will go away.The Public has a hard time telling The police and criminals apart.
3

alex paterson,

embra 26/01/2008 14:12:19
Dont know where David Strang gets his figures because there is still plenty of crimes being committed,the criminals are just quick of their mark,or not reported.
4

William of Liberton,

EDINBURGH 26/01/2008 14:22:38
The number of crimes "recorded" has fallen because Lothian and Borders Police, like most UK police forces, refuse to accept crime reports of anything other than matters which can be easily "cleared up". Also their call centre helps this policy by being unable to answer calls promptly.

Nothing here too about Road Traffic crime, speeding,careless, reckless, drunken, driving etc which subjects the population to more violence, death and injury, than any other modus operandi.
5

Cabbage Patch Troll,

26/01/2008 15:28:55
Lothian and Borders management are blatantly dishonest.

Many, many crimes go unreported by victims because they know it's a waste of time.

Other crimes are not recorded because L&B Police won't attempt to solve them.

I've devised a 2 slogans for L&B Police - "It's Not A Crime If We Can't Solve It" or "If We Can't Solve It, It's Not A Crime" .

There you are - free, gratis. No Charge (pun intended).
6

The Judge,

26/01/2008 15:35:38
I saw some kids messing about on stolen motorbikes up at Craigmillar Castle a few hours ago. I didn't even bother phoning the police because I know what the response would be, they wouldn't send anybody. A few months ago they killed a dog in a few more months they might kill a child.

During the week 3 cars in our street were broken into, none of the victims called the police because they know there is no point. Thats at least 4 crimes that have gone unreported this week alone.

Compare that when the Chief Constables wife lost her purse they sent every on duty officer in the area to search the area.
7

Chris.J,

Edinburgh 26/01/2008 16:16:41
#4 You're on the right track. Last week I had to submit a written letter of complaint just to get past that Bilston Glen call centre. We'd had a break-in & vandalism in the lobby of the flats, yet the numpty on the phone didn't think it was a police matter.
The cops were great, as they've always been - and as frustrated as we are that they've got this call centre lot getting in the way of community relations. Not so long ago we could ring the local station and get through to a real person.
So much for "intelligence led policing" - what bull - how can the officers get intelligence with Bilston Glen getting in the way?
8

Pocket Dictionary,

26/01/2008 16:47:35
#4 that must be why the staff at the Talk 107 radio station didn't call the police on Friday night. Seems some old bird was getting grief outside the station from a group of yobs. It was getting talked about on the late night show.
Mind you why didn't they get off their backsides and go out and help her. Media luvvies no doubt, can't get their nails damamged.
9

Dood,

26/01/2008 17:08:22
#7 - Spot on.

This is the problem with the polis. The whole PR thing is totally wrong and as a result the public have a terrible impression of the polis. The police are being run by businesmen as opposed to policemen. As a result, rank and file officers have to bear the brunt of this and have to read negative press directed at them. The vast majority of the front line are as pis*ed off as everyone else.

10

Duncan in Edinburgh,

26/01/2008 17:32:46
What a bunch of sour, greetin pusses.

If a report says crime is going up, you latch onto it a shriek about hanging and birching. But if a report says crime is going down you decry it as a lie.

#1 the ONLY people in a position to know the true situation on the ground are the police; and they have set it out here. Of course our usual suspects here will tell you that we are surrounded by lawlessness all the time. But the truth is that crime is dropping, and it our current justice system which is enabling this to happen.

The media whips up fear of crime in order to sell newspapers. How stupid do people have to be not to realise this? How blinded must people be to disbelieve a dispassionate set of statistics in favour of a hysterical news media?
11

kiwi007,

EDINBURGH 26/01/2008 17:33:57
I dont think there down I just think people are not reporting them as they feel its a waste of time because the police cant be bothered gettin off there behinds
12

The Judge,

26/01/2008 18:50:13
#10 the ONLY people in a position to know the true situation on the ground are the police.

You are almost correct, the police can only deal and record with the crimes that are reported to them. If people don't report minor crimes then the figures can never be correct.

I'm old enough to remember a time when all crimes no matter how small were reported to the local station or the local beat police officer, I don't know why people no longer report minor crimes, perhaps they don't see the point when criminals aren't punished.

All in all I think the police do a pretty good job but even they must know the figures are wrong.
13

ccblooms,

26/01/2008 19:12:13
A remark attributed to Disraeli sums up this Police Statement: 'There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.
Every decent serving officer (below the rank of Inspector)will tell you that the statisticians now employed by Lothian & Borders Police can arrange the figures to suit every circumstance.
14

I'mallymax,

Orwellian nightmare; police statistics. 26/01/2008 20:00:09
If there is a drop of 5000 crimes in Lothian and the Borders, why has the prison population surged past last years figures by 12%? Why is there more people charged with crimes in Scotland than last year if the figures are lower?

Lies, damned lies, and lying coppers and their statistics.

The press release by the cops have made them look stupid and 'sleekit'; this was obviously a stupid thing to do. The Scottish people are not stupid, so stop trying to pull the wool over our eyes with you lies.
15

Dood,

26/01/2008 20:21:00
#15 - Actually, the Scottish people are stupid.

You just have to read over these feedback pages to see how stupid.
16

James (1),

26/01/2008 21:14:26
#16 Have you not learnt that it is a prerequisite of these posts to be negative about ANY article. Cure for cancer = Now people are living longer and sponging off us. It was better the way it was.
I am as guilty as the next man for this, its good fun.
However the above posts are not really reading what is being said. RECORDED CRIME IS DOWN not there is NO CRIME. To repeat for the thick -REPORTED crime is down NOT all crime is down. See the difference now?
The above is just a sample of the blinkered views of the public.
L&B record all crimes reported to them no matter how spurious. The taking of these reports takes up officers time. Discretion and common sense are not allowed into the reporting equation. Junkie reports their benefit money has been stolen has to be investigated as does Gorgie Tony's (I see you are still bleeting on about something in June, get real man, they are not coming, phone AGAIN)hassle from youths.
Now if you wanted to speed up the process I would suggest that officer discretion is reintroduced so that a Junkie can be told to get to F*** and stop wasting police time (which in effect is depriving the public of police).
Just a thought!
17

boudica,

26/01/2008 22:04:21
James thge Reason recorded time is down is because the Police aint recording half the crime that is happening ...all we have heard in the last 4 years is that the Police are undermanned and those that are serving Police that are on the streets trying to qwell crime ..so dont have time to record crimes accurately or are you ignorant to the fact that is why it was important when the SNP promised 1.000 police and one of the Factors that may have got them into Government Has the People of Scotland upset with the Labour Party who did Vote for them ..thought they were the lesser of 2 evils the other being the Tory Party ..But the SNP and the Tories are now a Couple and we can all see the SNP for what they are died in the Wool Tartan Tories and beleive me if their is 1 thing the Majority in Scotland will never vote in to Government is a Tory ...That fact alone is the Death Knell for the SNP ..RIP............
18

Dekester,

Canada's westcoast 26/01/2008 22:12:52
#7 and #9 are spot on.

Folks do not report much crime these days. Why bother?

All folks want is a file# for the insurance.

Most major forces are taking calls over the phone these days unless there is a " an identifiable suspect" or the crime involves significant violence.

The polis have to be careful though, they will statistically do themselves out of a job soon.

Cheers.
19

Carneades,

27/01/2008 00:36:48
Scum always rises to the surface eventually.

26/01/2008 22:53:29
20

Franck,

27/01/2008 00:37:09
#7 and #9

you both hit it on the head, the Police Service is now a business with corporate logos and other pish.

They have to scrap for funds from the PMs table and have their pay rise that was backed by an independant tribunal revoked by the UK Gov.

It is time that we realise that even though we are in the 21st century, most of the crimes are the same as the 20th and 19th centuries.

I cannot blame the rank and file, i can blame the rank management.
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Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 27/01/2008 11:39:27
Crime going down? Does anyone actually believe this stuff?
26

Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 27/01/2008 11:42:55
#14, > The abuse continues, because the youths know the police are a bunch of idle time wasters who won't come and attend to my problems. That's why crime is so low. <

Says it all.
27

The Jannie,

Out there 27/01/2008 12:12:11
This would be funny if it wasn't so serious. The crime figures are a politically-massaged sham. The average copper is out there trying to do the job he joined to do. Instead of this he's floundering through a mire of paperwork, fighting off data-driven targets and wondering whether he's going to be sued for infringing some scum's "rights".
28

Moder8,

EDINBURGH 27/01/2008 12:16:00
"Offences fell dramatically over the period, with 5000 fewer crimes being recorded."
Wonderful news. I shall sleep easier tonight in the knowledge that the Police and Justiciary have effected such an improvement. Looking forward to a similar improvement next year. Soon there will be no crime at all except from those prisoners who abscond fom secure units.
29

2Right,

On Location 27/01/2008 16:41:44
Liars
30

Julian,

EDINBURGH 27/01/2008 18:05:45
Duncan in Edinburgh # 10,

I agree with you. If the cynicism on these forums is a reflection of society in general then we've all got a problem.

But there is one legitimate question. Shouldn't the recording of crimes be monitored by someone in dependent of the police. This would give people more confidence in the figures.

 

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