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Published Date: 11 September 2008
A TOWN plagued by antisocial behaviour is backing controversial moves to crack down on alcohol misuse.
Nearly 2000 people in Penicuik took part in a survey by SNP MSP Christine Grahame on the Scottish Government's latest plans, which include a ban on under-21s buying drink from off-licences. The proposal has prompted widespread opposition, including
claims the Government is "demonising" young people, and sparked a 10,000-signature petition against the ban.

But in an analysis of the first 1000 replies to her survey, Ms Grahame found 68 per cent support in Penicuik for raising the minimum age for buying alcohol in off-licences from 18 to 21.

She said the backing for the ban added weight to her argument for such measures to be available for local communities to adopt rather than being imposed everywhere.

She said: "I was not surprised at the findings because there has been a local problem with youths drinking in the street and behaving aggressively.

"This reinforces my view that it should be up to local people, councillors, tradespeople and youth groups to buy into this kind of measure if they wish."

Ms Grahame said people often raised the problem of alcohol-related antisocial behaviour when they came to her surgeries.

An overwhelming majority of those answering the questionnaire agreed alcohol abuse was a major problem.

The survey also found 72 per cent backed restrictions on "irresponsible promotions" and 62 per cent supported pricing by strength.

The consultation period on the Scottish Government's proposals closed on Tuesday and ministers are expected to come forward with revised plans soon.

The Coalition Against Raising the Drinking Age in Scotland (Cardas) – whose members include NUS Scotland – is to submit a 10,000-signature petition against the under-21 ban to the Scottish Parliament this month.

The coalition claims raising the minimum purchase age is a "deeply flawed and discriminatory" proposal, which has not worked anywhere else and has proven counter-productive in the US. Cardas co-ordinator Tom French said:

"It demonises young people and infringes on the rights of the responsible majority of young adults who would be trusted to go to war, get married, and run a pub at 18, but could not have a glass of wine over dinner."





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  • Last Updated: 11 September 2008 10:23 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Danny Mather,

Edinburgh 11/09/2008 12:27:52
and a further 135% of people asked not be be bothered by Christine Grahame again.
2

JFW,

New Town 11/09/2008 12:32:32
A good starting point would be to enforce the current rules relating to under-age drinking. That would take care of most of it. Close down all shops selling booze to teens (1 strike and you're out approach).
You can't prevent under 21's from buying in off-licences; it would be better to try and encourage them to just drink more responsibly. I'm against the ban but who do those people think they're kidding when they imply that 18 year old Scots don't have a serious drink problem.
3

elayne,

11/09/2008 12:33:33
what about all the older drunks who fight and act aggressivly?happens a lot in these wee towns
4

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 11/09/2008 12:47:49
So just because 680 people in Penicuik are oppressively minded, stupid fascists, that is justification for further extremist measures targetted at the innocent is it?

How many times do I have to say it.. ENFORCE THE EXISTING LAWS. WE DO NOT NEED NEW ONES.
5

alex paterson,

edinburgh 11/09/2008 12:52:54
It is not just the younger generation that cause problems,country bumkins are at it all the time.
6

Penicuik Laddie,

Still in Penicuik 11/09/2008 12:57:00
Glad to see a politician asking us for our opinions, rather than lecturing us on what our opinion should be. There is a serious problem in the town and most people who actually live here know that. Hopefully something will now be done to sort this out.
7

earnabob,

11/09/2008 13:06:56
If I'd gone about drinking when I was under 18 the police in my little town would have given me a clout, confiscated the booze and reported to my father - who would also have given me a clout and lots of wholesome outdoor work to keep me occupied.

Comes back to lack of respect and discipline, like #4 says the current laws are fine - raising the age will do nothing at all as groups always find a way to get hold of the booze.
8

scotsol,

Edinburgh 11/09/2008 13:14:36
Wow, for once I agree with Fuel Head. Why on earth should the law-abiding majority suffer because of the behaviour of a few idiots? And it won't even stop under-21s from drinking - they'll just go into a pub or get an older pal to go into the offie for them. If young people are drinking too much, perhaps the government should address the causes of that rather than just going down the easy, useless path of slinging them into jail.
9

Raoul Duke,

11/09/2008 13:24:26
What is banning 18-20 year olds from buying alcohol from shops going to do? They'll just keep going to the pub...

Its the under 18s who drink in the streets, and there are already laws in place to stop this.
10

Merouane,

Edinburgh 11/09/2008 13:30:13
#9. I think the point is that a crowd of <18s just need one member that has turned 18 to get access to alcohol. If the 18-20 year olds aren't able to do that, they themselves may continue to drink in a pub, but the under 18s won't have that option.
11

Scorpion54,

Penicuik 11/09/2008 13:31:23
I seem to recall that the questionnaire that came round seemed to be somewhat ambiguous. I would therefore be very concerned about the answers people gave.
12

James Donald,

Newbridge 11/09/2008 13:35:09
#6 Penicuik Laddie - The first time I saw a CCTV camera was about 20 years ago outside the Carnethy Inn so the problem is not new - hope it is not any worse now than it was then.
I did not particularly enjoy the "drinking experience" in Penicuik and preferred to take a taxi to the Ninemileburn Inn. Having said that, I had some pleasant evenings in the Rose and Crown, the Railway and the British Legion up Kirkhill without a hint of bother. Then, as I suspect is the case now, it was a small but irritating minority that caused the trouble.
13

Pacob75,

11/09/2008 13:40:14
9 - You're right! The problem in Penicuik is 18-20 year olds who keep on getting served (when they've clearly has enough) in the pubs until they become aggressive when its chucking out time and they cannae get any more drink.

Mind you, when I was there recently it wasn't just the drink that was causing young men and women to behave this way.
14

Langenburger,

11/09/2008 14:12:05
Its a classic "tick box" policy by policians who rather than make the current legislation work seek to find a "miracle cure".
It won't work either no matter how they try to "spin" it.
It would be better if we followed a joiunt policy of enforcing what is already on the staute and also identified and dealt with the various individuals concerned.
15

Scorpion54,

Penicuik 11/09/2008 14:25:55
Just because this policy of banning under 21s from buying alcohol has worked for a few weekends in some places does not mean that it will work everywhere seven days a week. As others have said, if the current laws are not able to be enforced why should this new one be any different.
16

tam562,

penicuik 11/09/2008 15:45:06
And what do the parents of all the under 18s think when the kids go home ratted obviously not very much because they seem to be the same groups of youths that hang about getting ratted. as for the over 18's they will be able to continue drinking in the pub then go out ratted so it wont really affect them or will it????????
17

SPG,

edinburgh 11/09/2008 16:21:02
Blame your greedy Penicuik shopkeepers. Buy your booze elsewhere and teach them a lesson.
18

alex paterson,

edinburgh 11/09/2008 17:02:46
I had a great night out in Penicuik,plenty drink and nobody was out of order.
19

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 11/09/2008 17:14:32

So how do the young yins get langers yished then?

This will just encourage other types of behaviour - and I aintee talkin about singing hymns and playing chess.
20

Dougie - Edinburgh,

11/09/2008 19:11:39
18 years old is an adult. Old enough to be an army officer. Old enough to stand for parliament. Old enough to join the police. Old enough to go to take responsibility for themselves. Instead of these blanket restrictions that politicians are so fond of, why not just pick on the individual trouble makers?
21

Applecrumble,

Balerno 11/09/2008 22:11:07
its really easy to stereotype here but not every 18-20 year old even drinks anyway. there are those who dont even like the stuff.
unfortunately though as with all stereotypes it is based on a small truth. most of the age group do drink but its only some and not a majority who cant handle their drink.
so it is unfair to pick on all of them. for example what if a teetotal geek wants to buy their university lecturer a bottle of wine as a thank-you-for-letting-me-sook-up-to-you?
22

Thomas Laprade,

Thunder Bay 12/09/2008 04:07:36
Time to raise the drinking age to 25 years old

 

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