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Published Date: 22 January 2008
A RECORD £15 billion was wiped off the value of the UK's biggest pension schemes in yesterday's global stock market plunge.
Figures published today showed it was the biggest loss recorded in a single day since June 2001.

And investors experienced a roller-coaster ride today after London's FTSE 100 Index swung wildly in volatile trading.

After a dramatic early four
per cent fall for London's leading shares following yesterday's slump, share prices recovered slightly.

Heavy overnight losses in Asian markets triggered the early sell-off as fears over a US recession shook global exchanges.

And the markets could be set for further jolts when US markets open later this afternoon.

But the UK Government insisted the fundamentals of the British economy were still "strong and sound". Cabinet minister Ed Balls, a former Treasury minister and a close ally of Prime Minister Gordon Brown, said the British economy was well-placed to withstand the worst of the global financial turmoil.

He said: "With inflation low, with the Bank of England able to cut interest rates, as we saw just a couple of months ago, I think we are in a strong position.

"But that doesn't mean we aren't going to be affected. Of course we are. It is a global economy and our companies and many of our jobs these days are affected by events around the world."

He said the behaviour of the stock markets showed the global economy was under real pressure. He added: "I think it shows that it is a global issue which we are dealing with.

"The good thing from Britain's point of view, is that inflation is low, our interest rates are low and have come down. The countries which get into difficulty when you have these kind of global problems – and we have had quite a few in the last ten years – are those countries where inflation is going up. They can't cut interest rates.

"Those days are behind us in Britain, we aren't the sick man of the global economy any more. The Bank of England has got flexibility, inflation is low and we will see what happens in the next few months.

"I think the fundamentals of the British economy are still strong and sound and therefore people can have confidence that the economy is going to stay on an even keel, even if it is going to be a tough year."

Japan's Nikkei 225 index nose-dived 5.7 per cent today, which amounted to its biggest percentage drop in nearly ten years – to 12,573.05. Australia's benchmark index sank 7.1 per cent, its steepest slide in nearly 20 years.

Hong Kong's Hang Seng market was down 8.2 per cent in afternoon trading.

In China, the Shanghai Composite index lost 7.2 per cent to plummet to its lowest level since August. And in India, the Bombay Stock Exchange was suspended for an hour because the market fell so steeply.

Markets across Europe also spiralled downward with the Footsie, with early falls seen on French and German exchanges.

CMC Markets trader Matt Buckland said: "Today's picture is skewed by the fact Wall Street was shut yesterday so the first thing traders across the Atlantic will need to do is catch up."



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  • Last Updated: 22 January 2008 2:14 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Cauchy Riemann,

Wales 22/01/2008 11:57:55
"But the UK Government insisted the fundamentals of the British economy were still "strong and sound"."

That is simply not true, and several independent economic reports say the exact opposite.

When things start to hit, Brown will want to blame external factors only, rather than admit we are in very poor shape due to poor economic management. The only positive I see we have is high employment, which has recently hit a new high.
2

Mr Crisps,

Musselburgh 22/01/2008 12:45:02
The government can no more say the economy is 'strong and sound' than you can say 'simply not true' - these things are largely subjective.

For what it's worth, I think we're doing not too bad, with high employment always a good sign despite the issues caused by external factors like oil prices etc.
3

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22/01/2008 13:02:30
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Lock,

22/01/2008 13:42:46
'The good thing from Britain's point of view, is that inflation is low'

Erm...

Should read: 'The good thing from the Government's point of view, is that inflation is low'
5

Cauchy Riemann,

Wales 22/01/2008 14:08:35
#2 wrote:
"these things are largely subjective."

Absolute twaddle. There are objective economic indicators. For instance government debt this year has hit a high and breaks Brown's limits.

Michael Saunders, economist at Citigroup, said he now predicts a £50bn shortfall in the 2009 tax year, rising even higher for 2010.

"It is stunning that the fiscal deficit should be so high after years of strong economic growth," he said, noting that the full effects of the economic slowdown were still to feed through into the figures.

These are objective, not subjective figures. They are objectively very poor. There are lots of other indicators telling the same (objective) story.

If you read my post I stated:
"That is simply not true, and several independent economic reports say the exact opposite."

The government (not independent is it?) makes a remark that is unsupported by evidence. I stated that the evidence to the contrary was supported by various independent reports.

For instance Ernst & Youngs report in 2007. Pretty damning. Or a report in late 2007 by two German economists: Holger Schmieding, chief Europe economist for Bank of America, and Policy Exchange's chief economists Oliver Hartwich which described the UK as "now in worse fiscal shape than almost any other major Western country".

Objective (not subjective) figures show record proportional levels of personal debt. The latest Heritage index of economic freedoms saw further large slides in the UK's position based on objectively poor figures.

It is OBJECTIVELY true to state that the UK economy is actually in poor shape.

The one positive I noticed was high employment which will probably stave off recession in 2008.

IMO however it is 2010 when we can expect the real problems - at the moment we haven't hit the storm. We have too many very poor economic indicators at the moment to give much confidence. My prediction (and this isn't objective, only opinion) is that 2008 will be
6

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

Newington 22/01/2008 14:26:30
Welcome to The Brown Bust.

"No Return to boom and bust"

--- Gordon Brown 1997
7

MatTheCat,

Edinburgh 22/01/2008 14:27:01
The British econmy which for the past 10-15 years is based highly on increased lending, "yet the fundamentals of which are still strong and sound"

yeah sure...
8

Lock,

22/01/2008 14:42:42
'For instance government debt this year has hit a high and breaks Brown's limits.'

And doesn't even include Northern Rock yet. Gordon's Golden Rule is getting browner and browner...
9

BIG EYE,

Paisley 22/01/2008 14:44:54
Anyone who believes the British economy is strong and robust is likley to be in a straight jacket before the month is out.

Labour, like they always do have increased public spending to ridiculous levels and as a result we are now facing a housing price slump, crippling personal debt levels in many families,growing unemployment alongside a major credit squeeze which will stop companies re-investing or borrowing for expansion.

This government has survived by keeping the debt mountain growing, we are very near the summit and will shortly be falling down from a very great height.

Labour are a complete disaster and within twelve months all talk of the prudent PM will invoke laughter and anger in equal measures.
10

Arrow,

edinburgh 22/01/2008 16:27:13
i'll bet a pound to a pinch of dogsh*t that the public sector funded pensions will not suffer. they are underwritten by money from the funds that the rest of us mere mortals have to pay into and yet they can retire at 60. those who were encouraged by the various govenrments to provide for themselves have been conned.
11

ddmc,

22/01/2008 17:00:15
it's not like we have a large manufacturing base we can turn to help us through these times. This is where the short sightedness of replacing manufacturing with the service sector (call centres anyone) lets us down.
12

Toots - Sheila,

Canada 22/01/2008 18:02:53
Never fear pension plan holders Solvency II approaches. No doubt I and other endowment policyholders will be "bailing out" your funds AGAIN!
Thanks for the mortgage repayments for 43 years so that you can have a "decent standard of living" in retirement but I am entitled to theft, more theft and on-going debt for life.
13

Jingling Geordie,

Sunshine on Leith 22/01/2008 18:06:38
#10 Arrow.

Spot on here, the biggest burden on the public purse is public sector pensions.
£15 billion was wiped off the UKs pension schemes yesterday, it wouldn't have mattered if it had been £115 billion wiped off, Brown and his public sector pensions would not be effected.
They are paid for from the tax pot and are as secure as the Rock of Gibralter.
If you want to know who funds these pensions then look in the mirror.
Under this Labour government my self funded personal pension will pay out about half of what it would have paid had I retired 10 years ago with the same pot.
It's about time this "millstone" of the public sector pensios was reviewed.
14

henrymanchester,

UK 22/01/2008 19:17:10
Hang on a moment...15 billion wiped off OUR pensions?

Shouldn't some shady little tyke who gambled with our future like that be winging his way to the clink by now?
15

Jingsitsme,

EDINBURGH 22/01/2008 20:03:43
#14 - yes indeed. I wonder if MP's will be happy to take a lower pension like us to compensate!!

it all boils down to we need a change of government...

Then just have to hope the do better but I hope whoever comes in brings a spade as they got a lot of digging to do to get us out of a big black hole we falling into.
16

COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 23/01/2008 03:17:45
I.TOLD.YOU/CUT.UP.CREDIT.CARDS.CELL.PHONE.CASH.IS.KING

 

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