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Published Date:
19 September 2007
LABOUR'S popularity with voters has increased despite the Northern Rock crisis, a new opinion poll showed today.
The ICM survey found Labour support up one point to the symbolic 40 per cent level which usually gives parties confidence ahead of an election.

The same poll showed Tory leader David Cameron had become Britain's least popular party leader, with a
n approval rating below that of both Gordon Brown and the Liberal Democrats' Sir Ming Campbell.

And another poll found public trust in the Government hardly shaken by the Northern Rock panic.

In that Populus survey, 56 per cent of people said they trusted Gordon Brown and Chancellor Alistair Darling, down just five points since earlier this month, while only 18 per cent trusted David Cameron and Shadow Chancellor George Osborne, down nine points.

And most voters blamed the Northern Rock crisis either on financial problems in the American mortgage market, or the bank's own management, rather than the Government.

The findings of both polls are a boost for Mr Brown. The ICM poll for The Guardian gave Labour an eight point lead over the Tories - 40 per cent to 32 - with the Lib Dems on 20 per cent.

That would be enough to give Labour around 380 seats and an increased Commons majority.

It is the largest lead ICM has given Labour since Mr Cameron became Tory leader in 2005, after a series of other surveys which put the two parties neck and neck.

Until now, Mr Cameron has been seen as an asset for his party, but the Tories are two points down in the latest poll compared with last month.

ICM found just 37 per cent of all voters now say they are satisfied with the way Mr Cameron is doing his job, against 45 per cent who are dissatisfied - a net approval rating of minus-eight.

By contrast, the Prime Minister had an approval rating of plus-32, with 55 per cent of voters saying they are happy with the way he has performed since his arrival in 10 Downing Street in June, against 23 per cent who say they are not.

And Sir Ming, whose leadership has been under attack, came in at minus-five - 36 per cent saying they were satisfied and 41 per cent dissatisfied.

Mr Cameron also scored the lowest approval rating of any of three leaders with their own voters. He had an overall satisfaction score of plus-25 among Tory voters, compared with Mr Brown's plus-73 among Labour voters and Sir Ming's plus-48 among Lib Dems.

The panic surrounding the troubled Newcastle-based bank appears to have subsided following the Chancellor's decision to guarantee the deposits of savers.

A Populus poll found 86 per cent of those questioned had a great deal, or a moderate amount, of trust in their bank or building society to protect their savings.

And 48 per cent said they expected house prices to rise over the next year while just 15 per cent said they would fall.

ICM questioned 1005 adults by telephone between September 13 and 16. Populus conducted 504 interviews on September 17.

Pension group furious at move to bail out bank

THE Government has been accused of double standards by investors who lost up to half their pensions and savings when Equitable Life nearly collapsed six years ago.

The Government refused to bail them out, despite acting within days to underwrite the savings of Northern Rock customers this week.

More than a million Equitable Life policyholders lost out when a House of Lords ruling on pension guarantees blew a £1.5 billion hole in the insurer's finances, forcing it to close to new business.

The Treasury refused to accept responsibility for the situation.

A parliamentary ombudsman's report on the debacle is due next year.

Paul Braithwaite, general manager of the Equitable Members Action Group, said members were furious at the Government's guarantees for Northern Rock savers.

He said: "We've been stonewalled for six years and Northern Rock, with its highly dubious business model, gets dealt with in a few days.

"What's the difference? An election's looming this time, that's what."



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  • Last Updated: 19 September 2007 12:28 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Labour Party
 
1

AlbaHibs,

19/09/2007 11:22:27

Its good to see the EEN & Scotsman are still playing along to their paymasters tune.

grow some baws.....

2

jobbyweeker,

bottom of the heap 19/09/2007 11:26:03

Which Scotsman would you prefer to run the UK and the unrepresented England?

3

Duncan in Edinburgh,

19/09/2007 12:05:10

#1 Would you have preferred that they ignore the opinion poll results, or misrepresent them?

4

Agent 99,

19/09/2007 12:20:49

Sigh.

Surely 56% don't trust these two jokers; one of them is a lawyer after all. What they [the respondents] probably mean is that they trust the nl pair more than the tory; thus the statistics are of a comparative rather than absolute nature; a significant shift of interpretation.

Jeez, you can do anything with statistics, willing-and-able market researchers and gullible reporters can't you?

5

I'm no really here,

19/09/2007 12:24:16

#3 No just tell the truth that they are irrelevant to the Scottish scene.

6

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

Newington Centre for Political Analysis 19/09/2007 12:34:13

#2: I'd like to see The Naked Rambler give it a go.

7

Duncan in Edinburgh,

19/09/2007 12:42:02

#5 Eh? This is a story in the "UK" section of an Edinburgh local newspaper. Do you really object to it appearing there? What a small-minded person you must be if you do.

8

wattie>x 1,

19/09/2007 12:49:03

Are these voting figures a true reflection in the mood of the voting UK?
Or, are they only another last ditch effort to save the ignominious impostor Brown by his wealthy elite business friends and supporters in conning the mass
of the public, as usual?

9

Duncan in Edinburgh,

19/09/2007 13:18:28

#8 This is an ICM poll. They have a pretty solid reputation as a top-tier polling organisation and adhere to the industry's standards for impartiality. If you have some evidence that this poll is faked, present it, otherwise... shut up.

10

jobbyweeker,

John o Groats 19/09/2007 13:36:28

6. A Friend of Fernando Poo

"#2: I'd like to see The Naked Rambler give it a go."

At least he
a. told us what was going to do
b. set out to do it
c. did it

Would that we had politicians of the same calibre. Good lad!


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/3420685.stm

11

Darryl Matheson,

Elgin, Morayshire 19/09/2007 15:36:57

Even Michael Howard had a large lead on Crime during the 2005 election and now Dave has lost even that. He leads Labour on no issue, not even the environment.

12

veitchy,

tv room 19/09/2007 15:47:37

#9

The Populus poll does not relate to Scotland.
Taken directly from their web site is the following:

Populus interviewed a random sample of 504 adults aged 18+ by telephone on 17th September 2007. Interviews were conducted across England and the results have been weighted to be representative of all English adults.

Still checking the ICM poll.

13

Joe M.,

19/09/2007 15:48:33

The larger question is do these results have any relevance to Scotland? None of these parties have any interest in us so who cares which one is winning?

This headline: 'Poll shows Labour still Rock with voters after bank panic' is awful, fair gies me the dry boak so it does.

14

Joe M.,

19/09/2007 15:50:17

'Labour still Rock with voters' - and it only involved risking £22 billion quid of taxpayers cash, what a bargain!

15

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19/09/2007 15:52:27
Comment Removed By Administrator
Reason: Scotsman Import, Original comment id: 979155, Article id was mapped to record!
16

Duncan in Edinburgh,

19/09/2007 15:59:11

#15 Again, as I said in #7 - this story is in the "UK" section of the newspaper. It is explicitly described as a UK poll. Are you one of those people who wants to pretend that we aren't part of the UK? What a strange world you must live in.

Do you seriously believe that people in Scotland shouldn't be given news about UK-wide polls? Do you think the same about people in England?

Sheesh.

17

Edward,

19/09/2007 16:09:23

#16 Duncan in Edinburgh
Dont get on your Horse!
I came into the forum via POlitics, not via UK
so cut me some slack

18

Duncan in Edinburgh,

19/09/2007 17:32:12

#17 Well now I can't remember what you said, but I don't remember it being particularly offensive. Oh well.

19

veitchy,

tv room 19/09/2007 17:54:51

#18 Duncan in Edinburgh

The story is'nt just about about the ICM Poll it also includes info by polster Populus and it maybe in the UK section of the newspaper but it only applies to PART of the UK and should be read in context.
The ICM poll will not be on their web site for another 2 days. It will be interesting to see how many Scots were polled.

20

Duncan in Edinburgh,

19/09/2007 18:07:26

#19 Everything should be read in context, as there is bias everywhere. But do you think this story should not have been included in the paper? That is the only thing I defended - it's a perfectly valid UK story. Some people would apparently prefer if we were not given UK news. Or perhaps, UK news that they don't like...

21

veitchy,

tv room 19/09/2007 18:19:50

#20 Duncan

I have no objections to being given UK news, but I do have a problem when it is patently NOT UK news but purely English news construed as UK news. As I said previously, await the results of the ICM poll to see just how UK wide the poll was.

22

Duncan in Edinburgh,

19/09/2007 19:39:04

Surely a prediction of a possible outcome of a UK general election is of interest to everyone in the UK, no matter where the people were who were polled? The story here isn't what 500 people in England said - it is what that would mean for the (whole) country should a snap election be called. Do you genuinely object to that being the subject of a small story in the Evening News? I'm sorry, I find that attitude rather pathetic.

23

veitchy,

tv room 19/09/2007 20:04:54

#22 duncan

Sorry Duncan, but I think that the people of Scotland could take a different view from the people in England given that they have more options ie 4 parties instead of 3. The point I was making is that newspapers should not take what people in a different country say, to mean that we would be saying that same thing. By all means have a UK wide poll, but it has to be EXACTLY that before is has a UK wide meaning. Just because folk in England say one thing does'nt mean folk in Scotland will follow suit. 1005 adults is hardly representative of any opinion except maybe a particular constituency.
If newspapers are going to report pollsters findings thay should be honest about where the poll was conducted and not make out that it applied to the whole of the UK.
Anway a poll is as you say only a prediction and in this case based on the findings of voters in as yet we don't know where as ICM have yet to publish this info.

24

Julian,

19/09/2007 21:53:59

#21 and #23 veitchy,

Do you have some extra information on this poll or am I missing something in the article. Where exactly do you get the information from that this story is:-

"NOT UK news but purely English news" and that

"By all means have a UK wide poll, but it has to be EXACTLY that before is has a UK wide meaning"

You have then contradicted yourself because after all you have said about this being an English poll you then go on to say

"It will be interesting to see how many Scots were polled."

Surely you already know that answer...zero by your reckoning.

25

veitchy,

tv room 20/09/2007 07:18:54

#24 Julian

If you look at my post no 12 you will see that the poll done by polsters Populus was conducted in England. I have taken a direct quote from their web site.
As for the ICM poll, as I previously stated, their findings have still to be published on the web so until they are we won't know where the poll was conducted. All we know at present from the article is that ICM polled 1005 people (their whereabouts still to be determined) and Populus polled 504 people in England.

The Scotsman's article contains info from both polsters.

26

Queen D,

Glasgow 20/09/2007 08:02:54

i'm beginning to feel left out!
I have never been 'polled' in my fairly long life!
Anyone out there ever been 'polled'?

27

Duncan in Edinburgh,

20/09/2007 08:18:39

#26 Only about what telly programmes I watch.

28

donald,

weegieland 20/09/2007 10:02:03

I' have never met anyone who was asked to take part in an opinion poll. Must move South to Engurland.

29

Neil Thomas,

South Lanarkshire 20/09/2007 10:58:39

16. Duncan in Edinburgh / 4:59pm 19 Sep 2007

"#15 Again, as I said in #7 - this story is in the "UK" section of the newspaper."

Erm...well actually I clicked "politics" first, so ya boo sucks.

30

Neil Thomas,

South Lanarkshire 20/09/2007 11:00:01

...I also posted #29 before I read past yours & saw another poster said the same. Sorry for repeating.

31

Neil Thomas,

South Lanarkshire 20/09/2007 11:01:11

Duncan in Edinburgh where the rubbish piles high.

...it's also under "Top Stories."
Sheesh

32

James England,

20/09/2007 16:06:40

I have never believe in POLLS and never will.

33

Il Penseroso,

Inverurie 20/09/2007 19:14:06

Duncan Edinburgh You quote, "do you think this story should not be included in the paper ...... a perfectly valid UK story". Some stories are included and valid. However I don't remember the stories of the Westminster Government letting the UK know about the true value of the Scottish Oil revenues or how the Westminster Government sacrificed the Scottish fishing resources as a deal-maker to get us into Europe. Some stories suit the Westminster agenda but then some do not. If I lived in England who would I vote for? That would be a real dilemma, as I would put on my voting paper "None of the Above". But in Scotland I do have a choice! No marks for guessing who would get it!


 

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