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Published Date: 16 January 2008
OVER-60s could be forced to pay full-price for evening classes – because of age discrimination laws.
East Lothian Council has said its current discount may be illegal, since it discriminates against people under 60. They warned older participants that they may have to pay the full price in September.

But the news angered Age Concern, which says
adult education classes are a lifeline for many elderly people. Many retired people are on a low income and would not be able to afford the increase.

Olivia Begbie, 63, from Musselburgh, was shocked when she received news from the council warning of possible changes. She is studying Italian at Musselburgh East Community Learning Centre.

She said: "I think this is very worrying. If pensioners have to pay full price for classes like this, they will not be able to afford them, and so will not get out of their homes as much.

"It could also mean a lot of classes close down, because they won't have as many people going along. It just doesn't make any sense to me."

A spokeswoman for East Lothian Council said they had to comply with the Employment Equality (Age) Discrimination Regulations 2006 which have recently come into force.

She said: "As well as employment, these regulations cover access to all further, higher and other adult education provision.

"We are currently assessing the potential impact on the services that we provide.

"This might result in changes to the concessions that we can offer based on age alone for adult education classes starting in September 2008. However no decision has yet been taken."

She added: "It's a really difficult area. We're having to look at services across the board. We've had to make classes aware of this.

"There is a possibility people aged 60 plus will not get their discounted rate."

People who are aged over 60, or are retired, currently pay around half the standard price. There are also discounts for full-time students, and those receiving benefits. For a beginner's Italian course, over-60s pay £20, compared with a standard fee of £50.

Ann Ferguson, a spokeswoman for Age Concern, said many pensioners would struggle to afford classes if the prices were increased. She said adult education classes could be a "lifeline" for elderly people.

She said: "We would be very, very concerned if the local authority took this line. The majority of older people are on lower incomes, and they very much depend on concessionary prices for their quality of life.

"We should be supporting lifelong learning. Just because people have reached retirement age, they don't stop learning new things. In fact, retirement can give them more free time to do other things.

"The council might be hard pushed to fill their classes if they took away the concessions."

She said the move did not make sense, when over-60s are offered other benefits such as free bus travel throughout Scotland. An Edinburgh City Council spokeswoman said they had no plans to scrap concessions for older people.

She said: "There has been no discussion into altering the charges for our adult education programme. We have a policy of inclusion and the fees set are based on personal income."



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  • Last Updated: 16 January 2008 11:20 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: East Lothian
 
1

john 1,

16/01/2008 12:05:08
Will this also apply to people over 60 who currently receive supplemetary benefits? As usual it is only going to hit those who took care during their working lives to provide for their old age. Those who did not bother get rents paid etc etc etc. This is one weird society which rewards the profligate.
2

Leighsa,

Southside 16/01/2008 12:13:56
Not everyone on benefits is "scum", Fresian. I worked and paid my taxes for over 30 years, but have had to stop working for health reasons. I am now on benefits and am accordingly offered concessions for classes, leisure centres, etc. Just be grateful you are able to work.
3

Liz,

Edinburgh 16/01/2008 12:22:34
I do not think this is a bad thing - make them pay full price - those of us in work cannot afford to subsidise everything they do, they already get free travel, heating allowance etc.
Many pensioners (particularly those I have come across in night classes) have no shortage of cash, in fact some seem to get more in pensions than I do as salary, yet I have to pay both full price for the class and pay extra in tax to fund them to get the discounted rate I do not think that is very fair...
4

spiggot,

Edinburgh 16/01/2008 12:45:41
So, Fresian, you think people who get dole when unemployed or ill etc. are scum...... most people have paid Taxes and Insurance contributions and are getting their rightful return for this..... Like leighsa #4.... Is she scum? Or is it that you're a nasty little fascist?
5

Southsider once upon a time,

16/01/2008 13:29:12
I remember the value that these classes gave to my mother. She had little to live on but thoroughly enjoyed the knowledge, friendship and community that the classes provided. Full cost would probably mean she would not have enroled. I valued the fact that these classes kept her mind active whilst learning new skills.
I seem to remember that the classes needed a certain level of income to keep going; not just numbers. So a few pensioners paying lower levels could mean a class surviving rather than being scrapped.
6

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16/01/2008 13:45:57
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SBW,

Edinburgh 16/01/2008 13:48:12
That generation worked and paid taxes whilst paying for our upkeep when we were youngsters. Perhaps we should stop moaning about having to supposedly subsidise their discounted evening classes now we are "all grown up" and earning for ourselves.
8

JG,

Fife 16/01/2008 14:09:20
#5 Liz
Those pensioners pay tax on what they get too. Once they are over 60 they won't have any young children any more but are still contributing to the education system. How do you know they have more than you? From what you say, I take it you'd prefer if they sat in their houses on their own and just died of the cold.
9

Liz,

Edinburgh 16/01/2008 14:33:10
#10
Yes, and I pay tax too and cannot afford to go to all the evening classes I want but that is just tough for me. I have to pay full rate so I see no reason why pensioners should automatically get a reduced rate.

Maybe I move in different circles, but I am at an age where many of my friends parents are retiring (my own parents cannot afford to retire so I know my example does not apply to everyone) but many seem to have a phenomenal amount of spare cash from their gold plated final salary pensions (the kind that are no longer available to most workers) new cars, houses abroad, extensive travelling, expensive golf club memberships - I could go on. Why on earth should they automatically get discounted rates on the same evening classes I might want to go on?!
10

It's me!,

16/01/2008 16:28:55
Well, I suppose this has to be the end of reduced fares and free trips for children on buses and trains etc. After all, these are age related too. Somehow I think the cooncil is on a money saving ploy.
11

my opinion,

The old folks home 16/01/2008 16:32:02
Yes I think they should pay.
Most of the old folk have more money now than they ever had.So make them pay like the rest of us have too.
If they dont want to then maybe they should give up on the Fags .
My dads an OAP and he says he has more money now !
He cant understand why the OAPs moan they got no money for heating,food but most importantly giong to an evening class it seems.
Mmmm I might be a wee bit synical there .
12

JG,

Fife 16/01/2008 16:56:46
#11 Liz
My goodness, you're all heart! And I don't know what circles you move in, but my friends retired parents don't have "houses abroad, extensive travelling, expensive golf club memberships" - a couple of them do have cars (not new) but then that would get them off the bus and give you a seat, right? Have a look round your evening class and add up how many pay to be there (out of a class of about 18 in mine there are about 5 of us who pay) - to make it worthwhile for the teachers they would either have to raise the price (a lot!!) or stop the classes. Be careful what you wish for!
13

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16/01/2008 17:01:00
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alex paterson,

embra 16/01/2008 17:27:26
Ah yes you lot will be pensioners one day i wonder if you all will still be so chirpy.
15

Edinburgh Lass,

Edinburgh 16/01/2008 18:36:47
Quite right they should pay full price. I am a single person who has been in full time employment for 30 years. I have no children. I have never been given any payment of any type and am eligible for nothing. My mum says there is no such thing as a poor pensioner. She should know - she's a pensioner.
16

It's me!,

16/01/2008 19:19:49
Thatcher's children are out tonight showing their usual lack of compassion. Wait until you are a pensioner and you will change your tune. I don't know any of my generation with homes abroad or new cars. Thatcher's envy politics, eh, "What's yours is mine and what's mine is my own". Bring back Thatcherism and its 15% mortgage interest rates so I can hear you squeal as I did when you were just in nappies.
17

COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 16/01/2008 22:52:11
WE.ALL.GET.OLD.YOUR.TURN.IS.COMING.THEN.SEE
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17/01/2008 00:44:46
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puskas,

East Kilbride 19/01/2008 08:06:11
No18....

Fair comment.

Lack of compassion under the Thatcher reign hasn't changed much under Nu-Labour.. Yes, it shows by some of these posters on this topic.
I suggest we may have demo's shortly to cut the Pensioners and disabled bus pass and any rebate due to the fact they don't qualify..

I don't know what kind of world some of the posters live in. Many retired people are in poverty and as someone else has said no funds to pay normal living expenses.

No18.
As for the comment (that my mum is a pensioner and she should know)... ""There are no poor pensioners.""

Lucky lady but I suggest she could get out more often, maybe yourself as well. The truth is out their and poverty is rife across the land with the vast majority.. Cheers have a happy retirement when it comes like your mother seems to have .
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puskas,

East Kilbride 19/01/2008 08:07:49
Sorry No18..

2nd part should be No17

 

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