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Published Date: 23 February 2008
OIL barons from the Middle East are in talks over an ambitious bid to buy the whole of Princes Street.
The city's main shopping street may become part of a wealthy foreign state's investment portfolio.
The city's main shopping street may become part of a wealthy foreign state's investment portfolio.
City leaders say they have been approached by some of the world's wealthiest "sovereign funds", over moves to buy every building on the street.

They say there is interest from state-owned funds headed by individuals of the stature of the Sultan of Brunei, one of the world's richest men with a net worth estimated to be in excess of £10 billion. Talks are continuing with the funds, which the council sees as an ideal means of carrying through its vision for the rejuvenation of the street.

And investment experts admit it is "plausible" for one of the funds to buy the whole of the street.

Nations with the biggest investment funds include United Arab Emirates, with more than £445bn, and Singapore, with more than £218bn. It's thought Edinburgh boasts around 60 buildings which are of interest to sovereign funds, with a combined value of hundreds of millions of pounds.

Councillor Tom Buchanan, the city's economic development leader, said the rise in oil prices has boosted fund incomes.

He said: "There are people talking to us with access to sovereign funds. They have large amounts of wealth and they could invest these kinds of funds in Edinburgh.

"They want to secure projects in developed economies and passages to invest in governments and local authorities and they target major infrastructure projects like this."

He insisted that it was "entirely possible" that the range of pension trusts and firms who own buildings would be willing to sell.

"Everyone wants to see Princes Street work," he said. "We don't want parts of Princes Street filled with slot machine operators and mobile phone shops."

The council is promoting its "string of pearls" vision to developers from around the world. The concept would see more use made of the top floors of buildings, which are currently mainly used for storage, as well dividing the street into distinctive "blocks".

Councillor Tim Mackay, the deputy leader of the economic development committee, said: "They are looking to the day that oil runs out and they want projects that provide a solid income stream."

Graham Birse, deputy chief executive of the Edinburgh Chamber of Commerce, said: "

If we get Middle East money, as long as they share the ambition, patience and vision of Edinburgh then they would be more than welcome."

Two shops on the street – the Orange shop at 133 Princes Street and the T-Mobile store at number 21 – are to go up for sale for £4 million each next week.

Alasdair Humphery, director of capital markets at Jones Lang LaSalle Edinburgh, said compulsory purchases may be needed as many of the building owners will have no desire to sell. He said: "

I find it hard to believe we will ever have a day that Princes Street or Buchanan Street will ever be owned by one sovereign fund."

Joanna Mowat, the planning spokeswoman for the Conservative group on the city council, said: "If you've got enough money, you can buy what you like."

THE FACTS

Sovereign funds have been around since 1953, when the Kuwait Investment Authority (KIA) was established to benefit future generations of Kuwaitis when the oil stopped flowing.

But it is only since the turn of the millennium that the power of sovereign funds has mushroomed, in line with the rising price of oil and gas.

Traditional oil and gas countries want new ways to invest their money. Russia has money to spare as energy prices have soared. Funds in Singapore and China have also been risen on trade surpluses.


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Tris,

23/02/2008 12:38:04


It's a pity that Scotland, another oil rich nation, didn't set up a sovereign fund like Norway and the middle east nations.

It's been such a waste of that money, running wars and buying nuclear weapons that we'll never use.

What bad management we've had.
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23/02/2008 12:47:09
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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 23/02/2008 12:52:22
Although some may balk at having Muslims owning the very Scots and Presbyterian Princes Street, if it resuscitates that doddering dowager then more power to them.

I am sure THEY won't allow drunks and drug addicts and binge-drinking on their property.
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23/02/2008 12:54:46
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23/02/2008 12:55:57
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Brian Hill,

Edinburgh 23/02/2008 13:01:31
Can we just bear in mind that a group of countries which had tribal, desert economies 70 or 80 years ago are now buying up property all over the world, especially in the USA.

Are we aware that other tribal desert economies which don't have Oil, like the Yemen, have hardly moved on at all in the same period.

Can we just use a tiny bit of imagine as to what Scotland might have looked like if we had even 20% of our Oil and Gas revenues over the last 30 years, never mind the full amount?

Can we think of how poor our infrastructure is compared to normal countries never mind Oil rich countries? Kuwait for example has the most amazing road network from one end of the 'desert' it's built on to the other.

In Scotland petrol is about to go up to the equivalent of £6.50 a gallon, In Kuwait it's barely a £1 a gallon. What's £6.50 a gallon doing to the economy, especially in rural Scotland?

We about to build a basic design, low tech bridge across the Forth despite all forecasts saying more high winds and therefore bridge closures will be the order of the day because of global warming.

Apparently Oil rich Scotland can't afford the extra £2.5 billion required for a weather proof tunnel.

Let's remind ourselves that former tribal, desert economies are falling over themselves to buy not one building but the whole of Princess Street.

At least we might get the Scott Monument cleaned and lit up at last. Now if they could be persuaded to buy that fabulous building in Palmerston Place, St Mary's Cathedral, we might be able to have that lit up every evening as well.

You don't have to travel too far to see airports and building projects which make Scotland's equivalents look very ordinary indeed. Copenhagen for example is the Scandinavian hub and makes Edinburgh or Glasgow look like Fife airport by comparison.

I hope you are getting the picture. Oil rich countries are rich countries. Isn't it time Scotland joined them?
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brown owl,

23/02/2008 13:02:42
HI THERE
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23/02/2008 13:05:07
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Farmernot,

23/02/2008 13:12:11
Brown Owl........not even remotely funny......more deranged
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Think Tank,

23/02/2008 13:23:06
Can I just say congratulations to the Evening news for those QUALITY pictures. I wonder which tea boy was made to wear the headscarf.

Sounds like a fantastic opportunity to get investment in the heart of Edinburgh. Sadly as soon as the fund owners hear about groups such as the Cockburn Association and the petty action groups against Caltongate, I imagine they'll take their money elsewhere. Who would seriously want to invest in a city that allows small numbers of professional objectors to delay improvements for YEARS, as seems to happen with every new development in Edinburgh?


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Hector Goodrich (Dr),

23/02/2008 13:27:20
#10 Brown Owl........not even remotely funny......more deranged

You are,of course, correct and it is allied to an educational defecit which the person seems to exhibit with some pride.
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Hector Goodrich (Dr),

Colorectal Endoscopy 23/02/2008 13:29:26
12 Sadly as soon as the fund owners hear about groups such as the Cockburn Association ......

You need not fear as Alex P could be engaged with a view to conducting the negotiaitings. Alex seems to know much about brown envelopes. ;-)
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Old Town Resident,

edinburgh 23/02/2008 13:53:34
Is it April the 1st I had to ask myself when reading this article?
Then I knew it wasn`t after I read "Joanna Mowat, the planning spokeswoman for the Conservative group on the city council, said: "If you've got enough money, you can buy what you like."
Aye, thats right, The Old Town was cheap...how much are you asking for the New Town? That could be the entire Georgian Themed Holiday Village
for all the barons, the new owners of Edinburgh...now move along swiftly New Towners, money talks and you walk
14

Buttress,

23/02/2008 14:02:33
Well, Mountgrange seems to have bought what it liked, and cheaply too.

www.eh8.org.uk

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Paddi,

23/02/2008 14:07:20
Could we not ask them to buy Craimillar, Pilton & Sighthill and when they're at it perhaps they could introduce sharia law. couple of pairs of hands chopped off and a stoning would have the neds in order in no time
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Loki - The Scourge of the Schemies,

EH1 23/02/2008 14:15:41
I would support any purchaser who can improve the tone of this street by ridding it of shops specifically designed to attract the ned / schemie element.
When I look down on Princes Street from my morning room or library window I invariably see a heaving mass of humanity whose attire would be more suited to a refugee camp.
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Dr Itchifani Atischu,

Sunset Microsystems inc. 23/02/2008 14:32:27
Is no report saying that Prince wanting to sell Princes Street. Prince very rich might not need money. He might want to keep street for himself.
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23/02/2008 14:43:43
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Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 23/02/2008 14:45:39
Its not for sale.
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Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 23/02/2008 14:46:27
COMMAND control over our own oil.

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Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 23/02/2008 14:48:15
What kind of peasantry touts the heart of a town for sale?
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Unimpressed one,

23/02/2008 14:51:05
Funny how nobody's protesting about the abysmal human rights record of the gulf states and the fact that Osama bin Laden would see the street as a legitimate terrorist target if it was owned by Arab interests.
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Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 23/02/2008 14:57:41
Give them an inch and they'll take "The mile"


Keep them out.

Just look at the tacky Gold Bros Scum.
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Paul Voltaire,

23/02/2008 14:58:31
They are welcome to Princes Street.
The shops are all rubbish there anyway.
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Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 23/02/2008 14:59:15
"council sees as an ideal means of carrying through its vision for the rejuvenation of the street."

There is a contradiction in terms if there ever was one. Vision.!
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randomer,

edinburgh 23/02/2008 15:00:38
I feel so upset to be Scottish just now. I dont know why this has caused such an emotion.
As someone put it we shouldnt just bend forward, yes it may in the short hand work but soon they will be using every loophole they can to build hidious buildings, knock down the gourgeious old buildings and do what they please rather than what would benefit us. To top it all of they'll then get their entire extended family to live in a small cramped 3bedroom flat.
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Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 23/02/2008 15:01:57
"
Councillor Tim Mackay, the deputy leader of the economic development committee, said: "They are looking to the day that oil runs out and they want projects that provide a solid income stream."

Well, they can go else where.
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Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 23/02/2008 15:04:04
Compulsory purchase orders are for military tactical purchase and civic infrastructure purchase NOT for foreign purchase.

Its one rule for one and none if you have money!
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Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 23/02/2008 15:08:38
"Joanna Mowat, the planning spokeswoman for the Conservative group on the city council, said: "If you've got enough money, you can buy what you like."

NO YOU CANNOT. For Example, the castle will never be for sale.

Even if such a maxim was a reality the ultimate question is why would you sell swathes of land to foreigners ?

With strict rules and a 15 year buffer policy(the buyer must live here for 15 years and show that he integrates with community and has the contextual interests of the area he wishes to buy), perhaps.

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Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 23/02/2008 15:09:27
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randomer

all 18 of them !
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Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 23/02/2008 15:11:04
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Paul Voltaire,
23/02/2008 14:58:31

Oh your a great help, bloody defeatist.
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Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 23/02/2008 15:16:36
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"they will be using every loophole they can to build hideous buildings, knock down the gorgeous old buildings and do what they please rather than what would benefit us"

In the unlikely event of such an aberration of common sense, the crazy thing is the vision-less council planning gimps would allow them to do so.
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Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 23/02/2008 15:18:17
UTTER AND TOTAL INSANITY BY COUNCILORS.
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23/02/2008 15:32:23
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Mr Fuzzy,

Edinburgh 23/02/2008 15:39:22
Would the trams be upgraded to have different carriages for men and women?
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Gothic Rose,

23/02/2008 15:43:19
When, I can get enough filthy lucre together,I intend to move to Monaco. I will bring nothing but style and elegance.This can only promote Scottish nationhood positively.All donations welcome.:)
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23/02/2008 15:46:43
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Old Town Resident,

edinburgh 23/02/2008 15:48:01
#38 thanks for that, look at this, obviously Conservative Cllr Mowatt has got her price tag on her lapel!!
"When the former head gamekeeper said that Britain wasn’t like that, the sheikh is said to have replied: “You’re so patriotic. Hasn’t anyone told you that the law of this great land works on money, not justice, and I’ve got enough money to buy any of them? The police, the justiciary — all have their price in this country.” from the following -
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article3225801.ece
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john z,

edinburgh 23/02/2008 15:54:26
Just because someone has the means to buy a large part of Scotland, it doesn't mean it's good, and it certainly doesn't mean Scotland should let it happen.

As for Dubai and the Emirates, just ask amnesty international what they think of the complete lack of human rights in those countries. And if you are a woman, kiss your career goodbye. Please note this is not racism, but is actually factual (like it or not).

The emirates may have six star hotels, but sadly they still persecute minorities, and chop off heads, legs and hands on a regular basis. If you are gay, expect a good public thrashing at the very least - if they let you live, that is.
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23/02/2008 16:11:27
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Paddi,

23/02/2008 16:30:20
Aye, thered be no bacon butties for a start
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Nikostratos,

23/02/2008 17:07:43
The snp have won a seat on the darts committee with a 2% swing from the other Committee members.

The snp have won the chairmanship of the bowls club with a swing of 2.5% from Tom mcbride………

The snp have won a seat on the tiddlywinks for Scotland group with a swing of 10%From the domino players……….

The snp have won a majority on the allotment council with a 7% swing from
Leith market gardeners…The win was attributed to their policy of collecting all Rainwater falling within the allotment boundary’s and then sharing the water equally between All allotment holders.
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Tarheel Scot,

Murray Hill 23/02/2008 17:23:44
Will your tram line, or a future extension, operate along Princess Street? I know that this project has had its controversy, and I do not want to open up that debate, but with twenty plus years experience with new systems here in the states (called light rail transit) the evidence is fairly conclusive in that rail creates new investments/regeneration in much of the areas that it operates, especially in the central business district.

One of the many problems it helps solve is that of parking, something that is essential if it is important to attract new residents (a scheme that was noted in an earlier article) and higher levels of investment into the downtown area. Downtown residents are usually an important addition to the mix necessary to rejuvenate an area such as Princess Street.

Here in the states the introduction of rail based transit invariably drives up property values which then causes/forces owners to put their properties to higher uses (for example, it will be difficult to continue to use upper floors for storage and they would likely have to be converted to income production such as professional offices and/or apartments and condominiums). As property increases in use and value, it will also produce higher tax revenues, thus providing an offset to the cost of providing transit.

A recent example of the impact that rail based transit can have on adjacent property is Charlotte, North Carolina. Over one billion dollars (US) in investments had been committed to prior to the first train going into service along its first stage light rail line ($400 M) and more continues to roll in. The improvements along the rail corridor have been so impressive that when rail opponents forced a referendum this past November in hopes of ending the half cent sales tax for transit a larger than usual number of voters turned out to defeat their efforts by a 70 to 30 margin. Charlotte has now begun the design and engineering phase of a second light rail line entering
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Mop,

*********** 23/02/2008 18:03:38
Andrew #38 could you comment on this a little please?

I must admit although Princes Street is in vast need of something-Im a wee bit apprehensive about it being owned by the Arabs.How much say will the people of Edinburgh have in its future development?

It may be an improvement as Mr Al-Fayed has done alot of work in the Highlands and seems to care for his estates,I guess if the sale goes ahead we will have to wait and see.

Im just sorry that we seem to own hardly anything of our own country anymore.
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Road Raga,

EDINBURGH 23/02/2008 18:36:59
What is sad about this story is the fact that the UAE (and Norway for that matter) is putting oil money away for the future. Not here of course, our oil money goes to London to prop up the South East English.

And another thing, if or when Scotland does get independance, we will find out that most of Scotland's land and assets doesnt even belong to the Scots.

What a mess !
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Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 23/02/2008 18:47:32
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The Genuine Mario Antoinette,
23/02/2008 15:59:17

Clearly you have no compunction for the championing of Scotlands talent, resources, wealth of creativity and keeping that as a core from which to reference a truly international perspective, exactly how in your world do you project a non-culture to the world as opposed to a deeply rooted one?

Believe me, the deeply rooted, respected and maintained culture will always have a far greater respect internationally than some pseudo Anglo-capilalist NON culture that you very obviously wish to promote.


Scandinavian countries have strict rules and a 10/15 year buffer policy(the buyer must live here for 10/15 years and show that he integrates with community and has the contextual interests of the area he wishes to buy).


The entire point I make is respect for your own ground and only letting those who champion Scotlands interests here, or - for acquisition of territory- in the same context.

As you cannot read between the lines, it is you whose ignorance displays a parochial outlook.

Do you wish to be under the thumb of a bunch of greedy anglo/ muslim /arabian parasites? I don't, and I seriously doubt many Scots would, even then those that do, are probably the dafties.

This is an Island NOT a continent, perhaps you have over looked this truly ENORMOUS fact and all its permutations.



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Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 23/02/2008 18:52:01
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Road Raga,
EDINBURGH 23/02/2008 18:36:59

Hundreds of thousand of Scots are waking up to the compelling need for serious change in order to have full control of our resources as an independent country.
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Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 23/02/2008 18:53:40
53
Mr Al-Fayed is the exception to the rule.
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gus1940,

Edinburgh 23/02/2008 19:03:23
Brunei & Singapore - not exactly The Middle East and definitely not Arabs.
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23/02/2008 19:35:19
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Guthrie,

Edinburgh 23/02/2008 19:45:12
If you look more closely, what you see is the council is trying to hype up some moronic plan it has for Princes street. I excerpt the key points below:

"Talks are continuing with the funds, which the council sees as an ideal means of carrying through its vision for the rejuvenation of the street."

"The council is promoting its "string of pearls" vision to developers from around the world. The concept would see more use made of the top floors of buildings, which are currently mainly used for storage, as well dividing the street into distinctive "blocks"."

Can anyone who is older than myself say how many council run and planned improvement projects in Edinburgh have worked over the last 50 years?
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Guthrie,

Edinburgh 23/02/2008 19:48:06
#44- mario antoinette- clearly you have not realised that globalisation reached Edinburgh in the 19th century, but the latest onslaught began about 10 years ago. Have you been in Edinburgh in that time period?
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23/02/2008 19:50:31
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is it me?,

Edinburgh 23/02/2008 20:13:39
The Princes St. Soukh. Has a certain ring to it.

It could come about though ! Inschallah.

The writing's on the wall.
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subrosa,

23/02/2008 20:21:17
# 57 'Mr Al-Fayed is the exception to the rule.'

No he's not he's exactly the same as all the other foreigners who own most of this land. Scotland won't exist in another 3 or 4 generations time.

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is it me?,

Edinburgh 23/02/2008 20:39:49
I know that this article is mainly hyperbole, (tripe), but it's quite clear that your "first minister" will sell off the family silver,(i.e your heritage) to finance his short term popularity for unsustainable promises.

Once it's gone it's gone.

And I mean Scots ownership of Scotland.

Logging off now, before the ScotNats trolls surround me.




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Fred Blogs,

Edinburgh 23/02/2008 21:00:53
I read the article “Oil barons in talks to buy up the whole of Princes Street” (Evening News-23rd Feb 2008) in total and absolute disbelief. To even consider this would be utter madness or is it the case anyone can come to Edinburgh or Scotland wave enough money, we kowtow, and we sell Scotland along with our culture and traditions. Then we get “Alasdair Humphery, director of capital markets at Jones Lang LaSalle Edinburgh, said compulsory purchases may be needed as many of the building owners will have no desire to sell" What a nerve or is this simple and total greed.. Why should people be forced to sell if they don’t want to? That is utterly outrageous. People like this would sell Scotland for enough money or is patriotism a foreign concept to the likes of him.

Remember it was people of this faith that tried to bomb Glasgow and London, Further I could bet that any transactions would be done under Sharia law. Sharia financing means complete and total submission to Islamic bankers, Investors give over all rights to choose what their money supports. They are virtually forced to divest from any company or concept that is not in agreement with Muslim ideology or belief, including any company that is even inconsequentially involved with Israel. Additionally, Saudi Arabian and gulf bankers have the right to list and delist companies as they please, without legitimate cause or legal course of action.
They seem also to have forgotten the tensions building up in England with the Muslims and about the building of a Mega-Mosque in London which has attracted almost 282.000 signatures on the Downing Street Petition website . Quite apart from the many Human Rights abuses happening in the Middle East. Are we that blind and stupid that we can’t see what is happening? Remember you can’t sup with the devil with a long spoon. If this truly does happen then this in my opinion will led to unfortunate and as yet unseen consequences for this nation. It is a poison best left well alo
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Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 23/02/2008 21:30:02
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Ciderman 542000,
23/02/2008 19:35:19

Well, the union allowed the wholesale abuse of Scotland by foreign influences (The English, etc). Since the abandonment of "The corporation", which was highly respected,yet corrupt (better than regarded as lunatics running the assylum AND corrupt) since the 30's we have lost more of our living traditional buildings in this time span than any other, bar the reformation, not the advent of the SNP being elected.
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is it me?,

Edinburgh 23/02/2008 21:45:23
#67 Aye Right
Is there any danger of you focussing on the present, and adopting a positive approach to solving future problems ?

Your incessant rantings about perceived grievances, especially those involving, "The English", don't advance your argument but say a lot about you.
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Caora Dubh,

Croit sheasgair 23/02/2008 21:48:23
According to the following website, two-thirds of Scotland is owned by approximately 1250 people:
http://www.corporatewatch.org/?lid=1308. Among these are the Duke of Buccleuch (230 000 acres) and the Dutch billionaire Paul van Vlissingen (80 000 acres), owner of Makro and Calor Gas. The website makes the point that over half of Scottish land has not come up for sale in 100 years, and much of the land is owned by the wealthy and/or aristocrats and/or foreigners, who manage the land in a way that is not in the best interests of Scots from both environmental and economic perspectives. Money alone should not be the only factor that determines who can own what: ownership must be tied to definite obligations, and the failure of owners to fulfil these duties should result in the compulsory sale of the land and/or buildings.
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Concerned Colleague,

Edinburgh 23/02/2008 21:54:51
Burka's for everyone...

Salmond will be on the phone to Osama, offering the castle as a european barracks soon, nazi that he is. Provided he has stopped sucking off Donald Trump and his construction firm.
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Caora Dubh,

Croit sheasgair 23/02/2008 22:02:58
Scots must decide: either Alba is a country once again, or it isn't. Independence will be meaningless if the stewardship of the major part of Scotland rests in the hands of people who view it only as a holiday resort: a land of country estates where they, like the Windsors, can come and relax for a few weeks without real connection with, or obligations to the much poorer Scots who live there permanently. If Scotland becomes independent, then there ought to be a limit to the amount of land that individual foreigners and absentee landowners can own. Would we not prefer citizen-owners who spend more than half the year on their Scottish estates?
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Road Raga,

EDINBURGH 23/02/2008 22:17:05
I am not a nationalist, nor anti English, yet when my brother (Scots born and bred !)told me once that when he was out walking in the Highlands, he was chased off a hill by some posh English woman and told in no uncertain terms that ' this is privaaate land, get off !' ;- well there is something wrong there !!!!
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Caora Dubh,

Croit sheasgair 23/02/2008 22:21:21
Methinks the 'Evening News' concocted this story because the owners of the newspaper are cashing in on Islamaphobia; in doing so they are stoking the flames. The hamfisted propaganda shot of Arab headdress against the backdrop of Princes St is laughable - the chief editor is a twerp to have let that through, but was obviously acting on orders of the Johnson Group.
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scottishcoffindodgerno1,

Edinburgh 23/02/2008 22:29:35
44#,you should not talk like that about the jamcowpats,it will hurt their feelings
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Caora Dubh,

Croit sheasgair 23/02/2008 22:33:49
#73: A nasty aspect of the ascent of the SNP is that within Scotland the word "nationalist" is taking on the meaning of "being an SNP supporter". I want all Scots to realise that being a Scottish nationalist is NOT the same as being an SNP supporter. Anyone who believes that the way that they wish to see Scotland governed is in the best interests of Scotland (as opposed to other countries), is a Scottish nationalist. We must refuse to allow the SNP to appropriate this term, because if we do not, people who do NOT support the SNP will come to be looked upon as being anti-Scots, which is nonsense and tending towards being anti-democratic.
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Kipling,

23/02/2008 22:55:51
#73. The reason I suspect was not because he was Scottish, but because the law of trespass are different in England from that in Scotland. I know of someone with an English accent who had exactly the same thing happen to them (only it was a male who chased them off the track in his 4-wheeler).
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Kipling,

23/02/2008 22:57:01
I should point out that the male who chased them off the land also had an English accent.
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Mr Fuzzy,

Edinburgh 23/02/2008 23:15:56
#52
Princes Street is not exactly the equivalent of skid row in Los Angeles. Nearly every bus route go through Princes Street. The reason that the upper floors are used mainly for storage is that the buildings are not designed for the needs of modern businesses (conduits for air conditioning, computer cabling and telephony), while at the same time the council felt justified in charging high business rates because "you do get a nice view of the castle". The only companies that can balance the high property rates against the existing architecture are mobile phone shops, nightclubs and tourist places.

The only options are either to demolish the lot and build new office blocks (like Toronto) or to keep the facades and rebuild the buildings from the inside out, or just to keep everything as it is. Being to the South of New Town, the residents would not be too happy about losing their right to light if office blocks were built.
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Guthrie,

Edinburgh 23/02/2008 23:53:27
Tarheel Scot #52- there is no room in Edinburgh for an urban light railway, unless you restore some of the old circular lines. There is also no need for regeneration the way you describe it, and the trams will not bring any boost for business, seeing as you can already get in and out of the town centre perfectly well by bus right now.

The city centre problems are due entirely to the growth of car use and out of town shopping centres, and as such will not easily be changed.
Basically, your example is irrelevant to Edinburgh.
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Guthrie,

Edinburgh 23/02/2008 23:55:26
Well, ok, the city centre problems are also exacerbated by what I understand to be high business rates as well.
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Think Tank,

24/02/2008 01:18:52
Tarheel Scot #52

Excellent points. A pretty standard story of success that is replicated across the globe with light railway systems. For the ill informed Guthrie #80, the tram network is a form of light rail, similar I believe to that described by Tarheel. And for Tarheel, the tram line will indeed run along the length of Princes' Street.

It's amazing how many of the anti-tram lobby choose to ignore the multiple stories of success for trams from across the globe with their rather stupid and arrogant attitude of "it won't work here, we're different..."

It's happening and it will be brilliant for Edinburgh. As I've said on many occasions I look forward to the day when those names that write their hate on this site have to eat those words and admit their error.

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COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 24/02/2008 03:34:56
how come kuwait is not helping out iraq did we not help to free there country i have always wonderd where the hell are those arabs now iknow out shopping on princes street tell them to get lost
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COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 24/02/2008 03:39:09
five times a day they will be chanting from the top off the scot monument
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ThaiScot,

Thailand 24/02/2008 07:49:42
I own a flat on Princes Street. The present council loathes me for and makes living there as difficult as possible. I would welcome new management in the hope that some dignity can be restored to what used to be a wonderful street to walk in, shop in and take coffee in.

In'sh Allah, the deal will come to pass, the present management excluded from all future decisions and prestige restored. Then I might consider returning to my city.
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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 24/02/2008 09:44:02
Gothic Rose #40

My contribution to you is my impeccable, world-renowned, and free advice.

No thanks are necessary, dearest one.
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roberto,

24/02/2008 10:33:37
brillant photo evening news

i'd hate to have seen it if it had been chinese buisnessmen
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24/02/2008 10:47:52
Timw
Cheapskate.!!!
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A.A.,

Dalkeith 24/02/2008 11:37:22
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I agree wholeheartedly.
I was so alarmed when I read this story.
(Hopefully it will remain just that - a story).
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cassandra of ithica,

24/02/2008 13:06:47
compulsory purchase cannot be used in the way described;

Scotland's oil is currently being given away to the EU by Gordon Brown in the lisbon treaty (eu constitution) along with any possibility of meaningful independence.

Joanna should engage her brain before opening her mouth. That quote will haunt her until she is kicked out at the next election - it is up the with sunny jim's "what crisis?"

What a fabulous piece of journalism! when did we last find a peg like this to hang all the usual rants on?
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Think Tank,

24/02/2008 13:50:14
The racist undertone of the comments on this article is deeply disappointing, but sadly not surprising in modern Scottish society.

I hang my head in shame at fellow scots.

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Ghost Of Scotland Past,

24/02/2008 16:55:18
How long will it be before we, the enforced faithful, are being called to prayer from the new minerette on the Castle ramparts.
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Ghost Of Scotland Past,

24/02/2008 17:02:45
35) Don't be too upset by postings from the village idiot, they are always cheap, usually irrelevant, very trite, and merely posted for self publicity, for him and his tacky wee webshite. Best ignored.
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Moscow Central 42,

24/02/2008 19:46:38
So Councillor Buchanan, Edinburgh's economic development leader, thinks that it is " entirely possible " that the range of[pension funds and firms which own buildings would be willing to sell. What Councillor Buchanan knows about economic development, and commercial real estate development in particular, would not fill the back of a Lothian Bus ticket.He is talking absolute rubbish.
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COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 25/02/2008 02:38:27
tell them to go eat there money keep SCOTLAND for our people its ours our ancestors would never ever forgive us say no thanks go to england
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COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 25/02/2008 02:42:29
tell them to go eat there money keep SCOTLAND for our people its ours our ancestors would never ever forgive us say no thanks go to england
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Jingsitsme,

EDINBURGH 25/02/2008 08:47:47
Heaven forbid they are allowed to!!

This is Scotland and its not for sale!
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edinburgh 25/02/2008 08:55:37
So Princes street becomes fancy flats for rich arabs, to break their own laws by drinking and other decadent western pastimes.
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Sedov,

Scotland 25/02/2008 13:43:35
This is another example of how global capital is increasingly dominating the economies of countries like Scotland. Money rules and no amount of nationalistic posturing from the SNP will stop the anarchy of the super rich who hover like vultures over anything and everone who can increase their profits. We need international solidarity from the people who make the wealth for the super rich to combat this. Nationalism only divides such solidarity and suits the Arabs and their like - and more importantly - the SNP and their policies (as the rest of the parties) do not challenge the might of big business, indeed it is actually embracing it.
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Houston, Texas 25/02/2008 14:59:38
No 7 - No oil in Yemen? The country has pumping the black stuff for years - production is currently around 350,000 barrels per day, although it is in decline.
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