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Published Date: 21 January 2008
RESIDENTS who have not had streetlights outside their homes for 20 years have been told they will have to pay £6000 to install them themselves.
People living in Long Craigs, Port Seton, are fighting to have lighting in the car park, which is also a through-route, behind their houses.

They claim they have suffered years of vandalism and disorder, with youths banging on doors and setting fi
re to wheelie bins.

Several residents say they are frightened to walk home at night.

Local police recommended installing two lampposts to help solve the problem. But East Lothian Council says that since it is private land, it is not its responsibility, and the residents will have to pay for the lighting themselves.

Lynne Nicol, 50, who works for the Scottish National Blood Transfusion Service, was unaware of the problem when she moved to the street six years ago.

She said: "We have to use this route to get home, but you can't see anything at night.

"We've just been told 'buy it yourselves' but I don't have that kind of money to buy lampposts. Unless we can dig the holes ourselves and install the lamps, there's nothing we can do.

"The sad thing is we've had a huge problem with vandals. If we can at least get lighting that would help. We don't want people to think it is a no-go area.

"We've been promised lots of things over the years. We even had plans drawn up as we were told there would be funding, but it fell through."

She said they often had youths hanging around drinking after dark, and in one incident they set seven wheelie bins on fire.

Isobel Black, a community councillor who also lives in Long Craigs, said: "It's been a nightmare at times. There's been vandalism, fire raising and people banging on windows.

"The police report said lighting was needed. It's quite unbelievable that no-one has done anything."

Her neighbour Linda Johnstone, 40, has written to her local councillors and MSP asking for street lighting. She said: "It's just so intimidating at night walking through the car park when you can't see anyone.

"As a tax payer I thought that street lighting was something we wouldn't have to pay for, but the council told us that we would.

"We just don't want to drive into a black hole every night."

Long Craigs was built by George Wimpey in the 1980s and is part of the Dene Estate. But the developer no longer owns the land and says additional lighting is the residents' responsibility.

East Lothian council confirmed that it had "adopted" a small piece of greenery in the car park, which was normal when private estates were built.

Councillor Stuart Currie, who represents Prestonpans and Port Seton, said he had met residents to try and find a solution.

He said: "The council is under no obligation to provide lighting on private land. This is something the developers should have put in at the outset.

"We're trying to find a way through it. I'm looking at this from a public safety point of view. But ultimately the council can't spend money on putting up lighting in a private car park."

A police spokesman said: "Our community beat officers are aware of the problems, and they are working closely with local residents to address them."



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  • Last Updated: 21 January 2008 10:10 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

alex paterson,

embra 21/01/2008 12:21:33
Catch the offenders when its dark and make them or their parents or guardians pay for the lights
2

Bob 2,

21/01/2008 12:24:33
Time to get back to there solicitorss, surely their solicitors would have highlighted there liabilities when they were checking the "title deeds".

Presumably its a Private Car park?

No different to someones Private Drive at there house.

You wouldn't expect the Council to Maintain Private Ground, thats property ownership for you

3

Bob 2,

21/01/2008 12:25:12
Alex, they probably live in the area that they are causing trouble in.
4

Grumpy,

21/01/2008 12:27:41
The area in question is a private car park and NOT a through road. Resident is only now complaining that due diligence was not done by insiting that the builders erected a lamp-post 20 years ago. Her lookout. Why should the council pay? Since it's private land, what difference is it to wanting a garden shed put up - That's nothing to do with the council so why is a lamp-post?
5

Unimpressed one,

21/01/2008 12:37:51
#1 Catch them when it's dark and then give them a good thumping. Community service!
6

Amenemhat,

21/01/2008 12:38:31
They would be the first to shout private land if the council wanted to put parking restrictions or mobile phone mast, so they can get their own security lights.
7

Sarcasm,

21/01/2008 13:09:48
Get Lesley Hinds on the case.
8

Darren :-),

21/01/2008 16:22:20
a 500w hallogen light, costs under £20. with a PIR sensor - are they thick people who complain or what? £6k?
9

Bull Detector,

21/01/2008 16:37:44
Another day, another article that misses the core point and attracts the predictable, ill-informed bile from the usual suspects.

Peoples' quality of life is the issue here. You can, as this article states, live in peace for years and then Sid Yobbo & Co come along to cause damage, emotional distress and fear for your physical safety. Particularly if you are old or otherwise vulnerable.

The justice system is failing. The Police feel let down by it (try sitting in the Sheriff Court for a morning without feeling the odds are stacked in favour of the offender) and the outcome is a society where we just go on in silence hoping that the scum will just go away.

Nobody should have to pay an additional premium for the security of their homes and personal safety. Council tax and Income tax payers already pay a heavy price to pay for government and law & order.

So, there's a challenge, Helen Mollison. How about some constructive reporting to support the vast majority - the scrotes aren't going to fund your profits but the rest of us might if we detected the merest whiff of concern to improve Edinburgh and the Lothians.
10

Why can't I use my usual name?,

Glasgow 21/01/2008 17:04:52
#8, "Nobody should have to pay an additional premium for the security of their homes and personal safety."

C'mon, in an ideal world maybe. But are you saying that home insurance, locks and alarms shoudldn't be paid for by the householder?

PS she's called Hazel.

One of the bulbs in my bathroom had blown - I'm going to get the Cooncil oot.
11

Why can't I use my usual name?,

Glasgow 21/01/2008 17:05:21
Sorry #8, I meant #9
12

morris,

edinburgh 21/01/2008 17:16:25
Its quite simple .If its a public highway then the local councils highways lighting department will maintain the lighting which will already be installed.The fact that it is not, means the road is a private road,and the public purse SHOULD NOT PAY FOR THIS,The people who live there AND MAKE USE OF IT should.

As someone has already pointed out a lighting system which would of course use elctricity could be installed cheaply enough, but again the residents pay the electricity.If you are unhappy about this see your councillor on East Lothian District Council,or you could try your MSP of course (but he will no doubt refer you to the council).

Its simply the case that if its private land the council CANNOT install anything when its not part of the Highways they service !Maybe it should be taken under council control of course.Thats between you the residents , and East Lothian COUNCIL .
13

morris,

edinburgh 21/01/2008 17:33:39
7

I am curious as to why Lesley HInds was mentioned?

She was a former LOrd Provost of Edinburgh City District and is currently a councillor only having been replaced by Liberal George Grubb.

She has nothing to do with East Lothian as far as I am aware ?

I realise this may be a dig at Lesley Hinds but I am not clear exactly why. Can you throw some light on this please?
14

Sarcasm,

21/01/2008 17:57:57
13
Can you throw some light on this please? - I'll forgive you that one :)

http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/edinburghcouncil/Fuses-blown-as-ceremonial-lamp.3330718.jp
15

Plantagenet,

21/01/2008 19:59:39
'Aye, ok, I'm up for it, how big will my opponent be?'

'Oh damn, I've got ma specs on now, silly me, I thought it said if you want streetfights'.
16

Rita,

Warren 21/01/2008 22:04:07
each home owner could have a -- motion detector-- installed at the front or/and back of their property, they only use electricity when triped, and a definite safety feature
17

alex patersons English teacher,

21/01/2008 22:18:36
16
I dont think i can stomach anymore of you're comments,dont talk nonsense
18

COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 21/01/2008 23:55:00
buy.a.huge.big..torch.and.some.blood.hounds
19

Julian,

EDINBURGH 22/01/2008 03:16:34
A small piece of advice for the residents:-

When you don't have much of a case for what you're wanting, it is usually a bad move to go to the local paper and invite lots of unsympathetic comments which will be seen by many more people.
20

Darren :-),

22/01/2008 05:25:11
#19 - i wouldnt call them unsypathetic comments - id call it reality really :)
21

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 22/01/2008 09:07:09
17 alex patersons

I think the comment from Rita in Warren is intelligent and feasible and works in my neighbourhood - which is a diplomatic one - and there is a very low crime rate.

BUt then that may be attributed to the constant procession of RCMP, Ottawa police, Ontario Provincial Police, private security firm, and other firms that make daily and nightly processions almost hourly to protect the embassies and embassy residences.
22

badger464,

leith 22/01/2008 10:02:37
#17 you're???
23

Issy,

Long Craigs 22/01/2008 11:59:55
People are missing the point - each resident concerned has a private parking area in a courtyard type setting (therefore making it especially dark). Some residents have security lights but these go nowhere near addressing the problem - when you get out of your car you are in a black hole. There are also public areas and landscaping maintained by the council in this courtyard. The area gives access to bus stops. The other three car parks in Long Craigs where residents have their private parking area are well lit with street lighting. Initially the fault lies with Wimpey but why was this not picked up somewhere along the line. Since it is now maintained by ELC (except for the actual private parking areas, why are they not responsible?
24

tattie bogle,

home 23/01/2008 17:07:38
just been erected ootside ma windae, cement no dry yet any offers

 

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