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Published Date:
10 April 2007
TIGHTER controls on speeding cyclists along the Union Canal towpath are being proposed amid fears that a pedestrian will end up in the water.
Regular users of the path are calling for action following a series of "near misses" which they say have resulted in cyclists and pedestrians almost coming to blows.

After complaints from local residents, Merchiston Community Council is calling f
or British Waterways, which is responsible for the towpath, to introduce signs instructing cyclists to stick to just one side of the path in an effort to prevent accidents.

Merchiston resident Ian Doig, who regularly walks along the path with his wife, says he has experienced several near misses, and tension between cyclists and pedestrians.

He believes a simple measure like having one side for walkers and the other for people on bikes would solve the problem.

He said: "The problem is that no-one seems to know where they are supposed to be. If there was a line down the middle it would make things a whole lot easier.

"My wife and I were out walking last week and came across a cyclist coming towards us.

"It was difficult getting past and he became aggressive, shouting and swearing at us."

Bridget Stevens, who chairs Merchiston Community Council and regularly runs along the path, said the proposals were not designed to alienate cyclists but to ensure everyone could use the towpath without any danger.

She said the community council hoped to apply for a grant to pay for signs along the path. "The towpath has been resurfaced recently which is fantastic, but it's getting a bit congested with a lot of cyclists using it.

"There have been concerns raised about this and reports of near misses, so it seems to make sense to designate the right side, for example, for cyclists.

"The problem is, no-one seems to want to give way and one day someone is going to fall into the canal or be pushed in.

"The towpath is used by a variety of people, including runners and families with pushchairs, so given the fact that there are more and more cyclists using it too, it would make sense to put a sign up asking them to be aware of the other users."

Ian Maxwell, a member of Lothians cycle lobby group Spokes, admitted there was a problem, but said the best way to deal with it was to educate cyclists. He said: "We know that a few cyclists might be causing problems there, and in all our publicity we say cyclists should give way to pedestrians on this route.

"The path surface has been greatly improved and this has led to a tendency for people to go fast, but cyclists have to be aware that a canal is not a motorway."

Derek Ainsley, of the Canal Society, said complaints about cyclists on the path cropped up quite frequently.

He added: "It's one of these recurring problems and it's something that we could take up with British Waterways."

A spokesman for British Waterways said: "It's important that cyclists use the towpath responsibly. There are guidelines and cyclists should keep their speed down, give way to pedestrians and sound their bells when coming along the towpath."



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  • Last Updated: 10 April 2007 11:07 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Graham,

10/04/2007 11:11:19

Ah yes, I remember cycling along the union canal towpath. The sheer amusement of calling out "bike passing on your right" so people would know you were approaching, then watching the numpties step in front of you at the last moment. The clown who accused me of going too fast after he jumped in front of me at the last moment, and I still stopped before hitting him. The most amusing was the eejit who told me off for not "ringing a bell or something" after I had rung a loud chinese bell for 10 or 20 seconds as I approached.

The suggestion that pedestrians stick to one side is of course unworkable unless the path was made one way for both cyclists and pedestrians. A better idea would be for everyone to walk/cycle on the left, but of course pedestrians will never do that when there is a path to be blocked.

2

Bonny Lady,

Edinburgh 10/04/2007 11:28:19

Ah yes, I remember WALKING along the Union Canal towpath. The sheer terror of a loud voice calling 'Get out of the way' as this numpty came cyling at speed from behind and not knowing wher to get out of the way to - apart from jumping into the water.

Seriously, pedetsrians and cyclists don't mix so just ban the cyclists.

3

David Harrington,

Edinburgh 10/04/2007 11:30:09

Better education amongst cyclists and pedestrians is what is needed here not more controls. There are already speed bumps (for cyclists - seriously) and a "speed limit" - which is completely impractical, as most cyclists don't have any way of measuring whether they are going over the 8mph limit, as well as stupid instructions to dismount over aquaducts which makes it harder to pass pedestrians. Yes, cyclists should ride on the left as they do on the road, but pedestrians should walk on the right so that they can see oncoming traffic, rather than it approaching unseen behind them. There will always be ignorant users, both on foot and bike, and introducing further controls will only cause more frustration as well as being impractical to enforce. Example - I've had a cycling permit for 6 years, yet have never been asked to show it.

4

Road Raga,

10/04/2007 11:44:57

#2 why not ban the pedestrians instead ?

5

Paulo Vol-au-vent,

10/04/2007 11:46:37

3#
What's this cycling permit? I've never heard of them.

6

druidh,

10/04/2007 11:48:44

I usually find that a friendly "excuse me" will let me pass any walkers with no repercussions. However, this obviously fails to work on the walkers/runners/joggers etc who can't manage to disconnect themselves from their earphones.

As for the aqueducts, I seem to be the only cyclist who actually dismounts as instructed. However, that can make it difficult to pass aotehr cyclits / walkers.

7

druidh,

10/04/2007 11:49:58

It's not a cycling permit - it's a cycling OR walking permit and you can download it from the British Waterways website.

8

It's heading straight for us!,

Leith 10/04/2007 11:57:08

You get the same numpties on the water of leith - you ring the bell a dozen times then they turn round like startled rabbits as you stop right behind them then either try to let you pass on the narrowest but of path or jump right into your way.

God knows how they survive among cars!

9

Graham,

10/04/2007 12:12:06

You have the right to cycle or walk along a canal towpath with or without a permit; see http://www.outdooraccess-scotland.com/default.asp?PageRef....

The only difference the permit makes is that by downloading it you are agreeing to obey various rules laid down by British Waterways.

10

Ellen,

Edinburgh 10/04/2007 12:16:45

You can step out of the way of the cyclists and into the piles of dog sh!t. The canal path is a dog toilet.

11

alex paterson,

embra 10/04/2007 12:47:39

Both walkers and Cyclists have used this walk for many years,So it has more traffic today,So lets both the walker and biker get on,Please.

12

Shaun McDonald,

10/04/2007 12:59:04

Which idiot cyclists are spoiling it for the rest of us?

6. druidh:
Your not the only cyclist who dismounts for the aqueducts and weirs, as I do too.
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I agree with #1 that the solution of the having a split way is completely unworkable. I've been on split way paths before and the pedestrians just don't even bother keeping to their side of the path. Also the cycle side is often so thin that two cyclists cannot pass each other within the lane.

As long as each group of people on any path keeps to one side there isn't a problem.

I have cycled between Edinburgh and Glasgow in both directions along the canal towpath and never run into anyone. I always cycle at a speed appropriate for the current conditions on the section of the towpath. If you cannot see far ahead or there are obstructions ahead, then I slow down. Once I get further out and there is a clear straight stretch then I will happily increase my speed. It is very rare that I find someone who isn't happy with the way that I pass them.

13

Jack the lad,

10/04/2007 13:15:40

Well done Shaun McDonald - cycle at a speed appropriate for the current conditions [and number of walkers about]. Sadly this doesn’t happen too many cyclists seem desperate to shave 3 seconds off their record run from one bridge to another, the speed they go they’d need a klaxon to give folk, particularly older folk time to react.

No reaction after ringing the bell? Perhaps the person walking is hard of hearing or totally deaf.

14

Mrs Walker,

Edinburgh 10/04/2007 13:22:20

I live in the Hailesland flats and used to walk to my work along the towpath to Heriot-Watt, not any more, far too many near misses from the manic cyclists who time themselves getting along as fast as possible and god forbid anyone who dares to be in their way. I also have a grandstand view of pedestrians leaping for their life away from them, perhaps when they have forced a small child feeding the swans into the canal then something will be done. No very few of you bother with bells or to say excuse me or even attempt to slow down, but then red traffic lights dont apply to you either????

15

Erse,

Middle East 10/04/2007 14:04:39

Well said Mrs. Walker!

16

AlWild,

Edinburgh 10/04/2007 14:05:05

Dividing the pathway won't work as it doesn't work in places like the Meadows where pedestrians ignore the lines and walk on the bike path anyway. What might help is a few signposts, perhaps every mile or so reminding both cyclists and pedestrians that it is a shared pathway and to be considerate to one another. Personally I cycle on the towpath quite frequently and find most pedestrians to be very good and catching their dog and/or stepping to the side when they hear my bell, I always make sure to say thanks.. You get idiot pedestrians as you get idiot cyclists, there is no need to demonise entire sections of society just because of a few.

17

Cant use my name anymore-Alex,

Prisoner of the Machine 10/04/2007 14:24:04

Bike Nazis, thats what they are. Pompous, holier than though cyclists, who think that the planet is safe because they ride bikes. Every one of them no doubt dressed like a total prat with unattractive lycra things and silly pointy hats and stuff. There are very few proper cyclists in Edinburgh, like you see in Holland, or India, or maybe China, just more and more of these strangely attired numpties who are so far up themselves that they think everyone should clear the roads, pavements and paths for them.

18

Steve345,

Linlithgow 10/04/2007 14:24:30

Agree with last poster, let's just get on. I live in a house backing onto the Canal and regularly walk and cycle on the towpath. I can't, to be honest think of single instance where I've seen any agro on either side of the debate. In fact even the occasional motorcyclist I've met on the towpath has been quite courtious (despite breaking every rule in the rulebook). It's all fairly straighforward common sense really:

If you're cycling, ring your bell, slow down and say thanks to any pedestrian who moves out of your way or reigns in their dog for you. Use your common sense - is there any real need to be on the cycle path between town and ashley terrace or some parts of the water of leith at the weekend (more hassle than it's worth to be honest - a weekend ban might actually make sense). Slow way down at bridges and aquaducts. Try not to bring your agressive cycling style onto the towpath - it serves us well on the roads of Edinburgh, but does us no favours on the towpaths.

If you're walking, try to use your ears. If you must listen to your MP3 player, don't walk down the middle of the path (or expect some very close shaves if you do). Say hi or thanks to any cyclist sensible enough to warn you well of their presence. Expect cyclists to actually be cycling along a national cycle path.

19

neil f,

fife 10/04/2007 14:53:47

I'd ban the dogs, or at least force them to swim in the canal.

20

Taxpayer100,

Lothian 10/04/2007 14:53:52

The typical cyclist is an arrogant cr*tin - no more needs to be said!

21

A Leither,

10/04/2007 15:03:36

Well said, #18. As a daily cycle commuter on the Leith path out to the Gyle, I usually find that cyclists, pedestrians and dog walkers all coexist quite peacefully and I usually get a cheery smile as I thank folks who pull their dogs in or who move to the side rather than stroll in the middle of the path. Only once have a met an unpleasant idiot who screamed abuse at me (though I reckon she'd have screamed at a plastic bag blowing past..). Shared paths need ALL users to share responsibility for their safe and sensible use.

I agree though - lines on a path are useless. Pedestrians seem drawn to the 'wrong' side as if by some invisible force.

#17 - I wear cycle clothing that contains lycra. I'm not a nazi or a numptie. I found out that over a 20 mile commute each day, if you sweat a little then you end up getting horribly chafed in places I daren't mention here ;-) Plus the wicking quality of specialist cycle clothing means that you don't end up draped in sodden, heavy clothing. The truth is its warm, comfortable and designed for its intended purpose. After all, you wouldn't wear a woolen swimsuit, would you ? There's a reason they're made the way they are too.

Neither am I 'holier-than-thou'. After 10 years of being squashed in a hot, overcrowded no.22 bus which was costing me over £400 annually, I got a bike. I now get some exercise, air, save all that money and get home in half the time that the bus takes. That extra £400 in my pocket, plus the time saved so I can spend it, is a great incentive !

22

John Knox for First Meenister,

High St, Embra 10/04/2007 15:06:19

I'd like to join in this discussion. I just don't like people. They are ALL in it for themselves. Ooops - apart from me.

23

Ron D,

Edinburgh 10/04/2007 15:12:44

Oh, the evil, evil bicycle; time they were banned from the city. The canal should be tarred over and turned into a road (they can use the same tar brush used on the "bike nazis") it's just a waste of perfectly good driving space. I'm with #19: ban dogs, that would almost entirely eliminate "pedestrians".

24

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10/04/2007 15:16:42
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25

Road Raga,

10/04/2007 15:23:04

A few years back, I was cycling along the canal and came up behind an old wifie walking along in the middle of the path. Despite repeated 'excuse me please' calls, there was no response, until (eventually) she turned round and shrieked 'I heard you first time, I'm not moving !'
What an old bag, lucky she did not end up in the canal !

26

Ellen,

Edinburgh 10/04/2007 15:23:09

#20 - The "typical cyclist" - whoever that is - should certainly be contemptuous of car-driving cr*tins.

27

IWright,

10/04/2007 15:34:03

It's not rocket science - consideration and empathy on both sides. If pedestrians seem a bit "slow" it's because they are having a relaxed walk, it's not the same as driving. Some, of course, are hard of hearing or have ipods, etc. Cyclists shouldn't be trying to break personal records or bringing their "street" persona onto a path. Like I said, common sense and consideration all round.

28

NeareFare,

Edinburgh 10/04/2007 15:35:42

#13. typical attitude of a non cyclist.
As a cyclist I have often been abused for ringing my bell to warn folk of my approach. As a at least twice a day dog walker on the same stretch of canal I've seen plenty of cyclist going far too fast and many who won't even give a nod or a word of thanx, for letting them past or for me holding said dog off the path.
The issue is the fact that the towpath has been recently tarmac'd and there are a lot more users now there than before. These people didn't use the towpath as it was a bit mucky before, also tend to be the sort of people that are just not aware of anyone but themselves and dawdle along in the middle of the path and think they have a god given right. This applies equally to cyclist who now use the path at high speed, no worries about getting too mucky anymore, and pedestrians who previously would never have got their spotless shoes dirty.
I have no problem with 99% of the users and I think the problem is restricted mainly to fair weather users
Those who are regular users already know how to get on, those that don't will quickly learn or get wet.
Rules and restrictions will habe no effect and impossible to enforce anyway.
It's always the way, typical thou of the article to educate cyclists , educate those equally as ignorant walkers, with or without dogs !

29

dougie fi shandon,

almost in the canal 10/04/2007 15:40:35

Both sides have fair points.

I use the tow-path both on foot and on two wheels.

As I potter along on my rickety bike, I too have been nearly knocked off my the Lycra-morons. The tow path is suitable for cyclists, but not for people doing over 10mph. It's supposed to be a relaxing and safe thoroughfare, not a race track! Many of them apparently do not have a bell as it adds too much weight to their bikes fer chrissakes!

I have been using the tow path for 35 years, and remember when there was room for everybody. However, is it just me or did the tow path not used to be wider? I think the verges have encroached on both sides. Perhaps the council have an answer? Either that, or nick the Lycra-loonies and have them to community service on the tow-path.

VOTE ME FOR FIRST MINISTER!

30

barra,

Edinburgh 10/04/2007 16:08:38

Cyclists should remember that not everyone speaks english so it's no use shouting "excuse me" !!! GET A BELL

31

Beggar Believes,

10/04/2007 17:04:30

Why don't the council put in a greenway for pedestrians. Some speed bumps, narrowing of the path at random places, a few one way systems, speed cameras and a patrol to prevent cyclists stopping and leaving their bikes at the side of the path should do it.

Oh and if we can dig it up at regular intervals as well please and plan for a future skateboard transport system all things should go as smooth as the rest of the transport policy.

32

Concerned mum,

Edinburgh 10/04/2007 17:40:22

#13 My one year old was nearly in the water at Harrison Gardens part of the canal at the weekend whilst feeding the ducks. The sad thing was that the tw*t on the bike went zooming off into the distance therefore not giving me the chance to give him a tongue lashing. If I had my way I would have number plates on bikes, jast as cars do. These nutter cyclists get away with it because they know they can.

33

Speedy Gonzales,

Edinburgh 10/04/2007 18:12:55

#32, Concerned Mum
Not one to judge, but when I took my daughter to the canal, when she was 1 or so, I had to stay pretty close by, not because she could barely walk, but because of the wee water hazard that was there! My suggestion to you is to remain close and pay attention to all the hazards that your child may come across until they are old enough to risk assess for themselves!
I go to Harrison regularly and find there is plenty of room for all towpath users to co-exist and the wee one has never came close to being in the
water. The nearest she has come to being dooked is when an over enthuisiastic canine takes an interest in the bread!
Next time you go, jump aboard the pontoon that's there, much quieter.

34

Concerned mum,

Edinburgh 10/04/2007 19:18:12

#33 Speedy Gonzales thankyou for your concern. I was kneeling along side my son, holding his hand whilst he was throwing bread for the ducks with his other hand. An arrogant cyclist, going at an unexcusable speed (especially on a very very busy bank holiday weekend so busier than usual with people/dog/kids) sped right at my son (on the grass embankment, we're not talking concrete here) and swerved at the last minute just missing him. If I had not had a hold of his hand he would have been in that cold, dirty water. I come under the categories of pedestrian/cyclist/motorist and never would I have done such a thoughtless, dangerous and irresponsible thing either on foot, on wheels or behind the wheel. I could go on and on about some cyclist but to be honest, I just can't be ars*d, I've got a pile of ironing to get through, a sink load of dishes to be washed, floors to be cleaned, clothes to be set out for work/nursery tomorrow and some beauty sleep to catch up on.

35

Road Raga,

10/04/2007 20:59:46

At the end of the day, it is not whether you are a car driver, a cyclist or walker, if you are a ignorant person you will show this in whatever way you choose to travel, and if that ignorant person happens to cycle along the canal not giving a care to other people then it is that individuals failing.

I am sick of people saying 'arrogant cyclists', ie tarnishing every two wheeler the same brush because they come across an ignorant person, who just happens to be on a bike.

Think about it, you know it makes sense !

36

A Leither,

10/04/2007 21:48:14

I often find, though, that it's often the grunge-clothing cyclists that are far worse menaces than my fellow lycra wearers. They're (mostly - I don't want to let a few bad cyclists of that persuasion cause the rest to be tarred with the same brush) utterly reckless and seem to have zero consideration for others.

37

Arrow,

edinburgh 10/04/2007 23:01:25

i recall a year or so ago there was some cycle rally along the Roseburn Path apparently to demonstrate to keep it open or some such. there were at least 150+ bikes to the extent that people enjoying a walk with their kids had to get off the path whislt these pillocks rode past occupying the whole width of the path.
the cyclists are the ones that complain about motorists not giving them enough room or driving too fast along side bikes. having been buzzed along the Roseburn Path by lycra clad fools with thier heads down and just sub-sonic i am rapidly considering putting some wire across the path to see if it would work as well as it did in the Great Escape or perhaps some speed bumps.
and can someone please explain why some cyclists are feart to put thier feet onto the road when they are at traffic lights? they appear to try to balance. is there some award for who can balance the longest? is there any need or is it just another display of the Equine Equation i.e there are more horses a*ses than there are horses.

38

AlasdairM,

Edin 10/04/2007 23:16:03

I ride in from Balerno most days, but I wouldn't dream of using the canal path - it's just far too slow. There's no point in riding for fitness unless you can race along, and 30mph limit versus 8mph is no contest.

39

Shaunathan,

Edinburgh 11/04/2007 00:16:39

You can't even educate folk to walk on the right side of a canal path, it wont be listened to. Myself and a couple of friends cycled from Glasgow city centre up to Loch Lomond, and the simple solution was to slow down when you see a pedestrian, say excuse me, and then thank you as you pass! What is so hard in that?

40

EnEm,

left wheel, right foot 11/04/2007 09:46:10

It would have been nice if someone had mentioned which side is the right side to be on when walking or cycling on these paths.

It's the same as on ordinary roads without pavements. The wheeled traffic sticks to the left in this country. Pedestrians should use the same rule as established for stairways: Keep right (and use the handrail).

41

Road Raga,

11/04/2007 10:37:44

#37 I think if you put wire over a cycle track then you can be charged with a very serious offence. Considering the fact that some people have been very badly hurt, or even killed by such stupidity, I think you should reconsider your comments


 

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