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Published Date: 17 July 2009
CITY leaders today said that giving in to union demands over the bin dispute would cost £60 million and mean up to 2,000 redundancies across the council.
Depute council leader Steve Cardownie accused the Unite union of being unwilling to work with the administration to resolve the dispute over controversial pay changes.

He said Unite's alternative proposals for bringing pay structures into line with gender equality laws were simply unaffordable without massive job losses.

The union hit back, however, saying the council was only willing to put in half as much money as other Scottish authorities to sorting out equal pay problems.

Refuse collectors have been operating a work to rule for the past three weeks, which has seen bins going uncollected and rubbish piling up in the streets, and Unite is now set to ballot hundreds of city staff on strike action.

Cllr Cardownie said the council was looking at "contingency plans" which would be announced depending on the outcome of the strike ballot. He said: "We have a solution to this dispute, and our door is open, but we are very disappointed that Unite don't want to work with us."

The dispute centres on plans to abolish the long-established bonus system which sees binmen paid a standard £7,000 on top of their official basic salary of £12,000, which is also supplemented by overtime. Instead, the council says it wants to bring in a basic salary of about £15,000 with a further £4,500 on offer in return for "flexible working", which would end the need for significant overtime payments.

The council says the union's alternative – consolidating the current bonus into basic pay and bringing other workers up to the same level – is not practical.

Cllr Cardownie said: "The unions agree we can't go on with our current pay system. It needs to be fair for the sake of staff and to protect taxpayers' money from millions of pounds worth of equal pay claims.

"The unions' solution would add £60m to our annual wage bill and could see up to 2,000 staff made redundant, and that's on top of the £90m savings we need to find in the next three years as a result of the savings required by the UK government."

But Sandy Smart, regional organiser of the Transport and General Workers' section of Unite, said: "I'm amazed Steve Cardownie has the cheek to and say this. We are not asking for a pay rise – we're just wanting to have the same wages we're getting.

"In every other authority in Scotland there has been six to 12 per cent of the total pay bill put in to resolve this – adjusting bonuses, shift payments and overtime allowances. Edinburgh is only willing to put in three per cent.

"They have been more interested in new seats for the City Chambers and robes for Jenny Dawe.

"We're happy to meet, but there is no point in going into a meeting if they are not prepared to deal with us properly and seriously."

• Householders are being advised to leave their bin out if it is not collected on the normal day and it should be collected it as soon as possible. Trade waste customers are advised that if waste is not collected, to remove it from the kerbside and re-present it on the next scheduled collection day.


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  • Last Updated: 17 July 2009 11:12 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

alfonsa pedrosa,

embra 17/07/2009 12:04:26
Leave your rubbish out,whats happening to the once clean city we had,get back to work.
2

druidh,

edinburgh 17/07/2009 12:12:31
Trade waste customers are advised that if waste is not collected, to remove it from the kerbside and re-present it on the next scheduled collection day.

Prey tell, where are they supposed to put this waste when it's not on the street?
3

Council Insider,

Council HQ 17/07/2009 12:21:27
Sandy Smart (or not)gets it wrong again. The robes are for the Lord Provost not the Council Leader.
4

Davie Lad,

Are you that much of an idiot? 17/07/2009 12:23:36
#1
Don't be such a moron. What part of the situation are you missing? THE COUNCIL ADMINISTRATION are the problem here! When they stop playing god with peoples wages then they will get back to work. Try and grasp the facts man.
5

JFW,

New Town 17/07/2009 12:25:31
The refuse collectors do a pi ss poor job for a lot of money. We have nurses and other trained professionals getting no more money than some of these guys but who do a lot more more work. It's well known how most of them take the pi ss with overtime and have an average shift of only 6 hours. They also, if they play their cards right, have a job for life and good pension. I don't think anyone can claim they're particularly bothered by how well they do their job either. I've seen my street a lot cleaner before the bags get collected than after. Anyway, I've had to take a pay-cut recently to keep my job, as have many people, and this is on top of not having had an increase in my salary of any description since 2001. These 'workers' need to get a grip or the council needs to privatise refuse collection once and for all. I'm sick of being held to ransom by every couple of years and having a cr ap service in general.
6

Anna Thema,

17/07/2009 12:25:51
Cancel the trams and spend the money on services that taxpayers actually want, starting with rubbish collections.
7

Jaco Pastorius,

17/07/2009 12:28:03
The thing is, you can say this or that would cost "£60 million and 2,000 jobs" and unless you have someone who's prepared to challenge those assumptions - perhaps, oh I don't know, a journalist maybe? - then it will be read as fact. And it ends up appearing in the headlines.

Erm, like it does here.

The figures mean nothing. They're based on the crudest of assumptions. You might as well add that the "bin claims" will end up killing all the koala bears in Australia and cause children to burst into flames each time they say the number seven.
8

Anna Thema,

17/07/2009 12:29:50
6
If you're that short of money, why don't you apply to be a bin man? You could start with your own area - the New Town is a pigsty mostly because a minority of short-sighted residents won't let the council put wheelie bins there.
9

Speedy Gonzales,

Edinburgh 17/07/2009 12:32:07
On the flip-side, with a proposed higher basic rate, would their final salary pensions(which I believe are only calculated on salary-not earnings) not be better?
Swings & roundabouts and all that jazz!
10

Tee Shirts Rule,

Council cant run $hit 17/07/2009 12:33:54
#6 Your a goat man. Stop whining on about your situation and stick to the facts. If you have had no pay rise since 2001 and taken a cut this simply means your either stupid or need to get out and get a better job. Take your pick. These guys are fighting against council management mis administration and have the guts to do something about it. Unlike you!
11

Jenny from the block,

17/07/2009 12:40:17
#6 well said and very true!
12

Jams,

Edinburgh 17/07/2009 12:42:52
Are we really supposed to take this council's word on anything related to money?

Does Mr Cardownie actually mean they might fail to make the saving they anticipated from cutting the salaries of the refuse workers ?

If changing the system woudl cost £60million and 2,000 jobs then surely the answer is don't change the system. Then nothing will be lost - except more of the council's ever diminishing reputation.
13

Grass Roots Rugby,

17/07/2009 12:44:33
#11 - and when will you be re-joining the real world?
14

Disgrunted Ebardonian,

Edinburgh 17/07/2009 12:45:47
Do the job losses start at the top Im sure sacking the top brass would save 2000 jobs. Put the Binmen in charge of the council Im sure they would do a better job!!!
15

Jaco Pastorius,

17/07/2009 12:45:55
"your either stupid or need to get out..."
16

Jenny from the block,

17/07/2009 12:47:02
# 12- #6 is talking sense they are taking the mick with their overtime claims and we are footing the bill. The council has decided enough is enough.
17

Lang Spoon,

Leith 17/07/2009 12:51:43
The problem as I see it after many years experience in industry and elsewhere, is the overtime culture that exists everywhere, and that skews a logical approach.
From the employees side, they are happy to work overtime as available, to make up their wage to what they regard as a reasonable level; from the employers side, they have a malleable workforce only too happy to work extra hours to cover busy periods.
Proper management and decent payscales could mean that overtime wouldn't be necessary, but would that suit everybody? No, I think not!
18

rob hadnum,

17/07/2009 12:56:23
Who says binmen get paid as much as nurses and other trained professionals? Would like to see the proof of that. Even if they did, why are they not entitled to a decent level of pay? Is this snobbish people who work in offices who think they're somehow better talking?

Go on the binmen, stand up for your rights (wouldny mind if you started emptying my re-cycle buckets properly tho, there wasn't THAT many wine bottles)
19

regentlad,

Lothian 17/07/2009 12:57:00
5, 13: Agreed. I wouldn't take for read anything that came out of this Council's mouth. This the same Council that is wasting 60 million pounds (and more) on a tram line to nowhere. They need to get the priorities right, whats it to be - writing out blank cheques to German and Spanish tram contractors or paying decent wages to the staff. Messrs Cardownie, Grubb, MacKenzie, Aldridge (gone sailing) and Ms 'Robes' Dawes have got themselves into a hole and can't stop digging deeper !
20

O Shea Jackson,

Chad Valley 17/07/2009 12:57:25
Why don't they get them doing the overtime working for a search engine?
21

Tee Shirts Rule,

Christ your stupid... 17/07/2009 13:02:01
#14 Probably when you decide to laddie
22

TheDisplacedGlaswegian,

Edinburgh 17/07/2009 13:03:52
The trams will be great eh? I wonder who'll be next to suffer? I hope it isn't toddlers groups...
23

BROONISDOOMED,

ITS RAINING AGAIN 17/07/2009 13:04:14
#9 not easy trying to get a binmans job,never see it advertised anywhere,jobs for sons and friends,closed shop more like,unions are always on about more pay,yet shout strike,the workers are left with no pay during strike,union officials get their salary,and they dont starve
just look at what the unions did in the miners strike of 84,they got as many as they could out on picket duty,and half these guys ended up with no job,also some got criminal records due to union stance against thatcher
labour were mumping their gums,kinnock the welsh windbag ,aye maggie was scared of him,and they said we are the only force against the tory,about as fierce as a toothless dug
i remember the binmen hiding their motor in the back streets in tollcross,whilst nipping into the pub at lunchtime
even the driver

24

Speedy Gonzales,

Edinburgh 17/07/2009 13:04:28
With regards to overtime, no employee should have to work OT to earn a 'living' wage, if they do they are either in the wrong job or living outwith their means.
As for the employer, relying on staff doing OT may mean less overheads(£'s) as they employ less staff to complete the same amount of work, better to 20 people doing the job of 30 but only costing the equivalent of 25 persons, BUT, most companies prefer to have a fixed wage bill so fiscal/accountancy projections are accurate.
25

Jim Taylor,

17/07/2009 13:06:40
"The dispute centres on plans to abolish the long-established bonus system which sees binmen paid a standard £7,000 on top of their official basic salary of £12,000, which is also supplemented by overtime. Instead, the council says it wants to bring in a basic salary of about £15,000 with a further £4,500 on offer in return for "flexible working", which would end the need for significant overtime payments."

Dearie me. Shouldn't the council be extremely embarrassed trying this on?

A starting salary of 12 grand?

What the council are trying to do is rewrite the rules against the workers' interests.

Go on guys. I'm on your side here.

BTW The need for expensive overtime is because not enough men and machines are currently available. In essence the council is selling the service short.

What we have here is just another example that this council is incapable of running a proper service. Isn't it time that the dog started wagging the tail again? Isn't it time for our elected "representatives" to begin holding unelected officials to account.

It occurs to me that what we have now is a situation where councillors are just an inconvenience which needs to be "managed" by unelected council empire builders.

I can recall a few independent candidates at the last local elections who, had they been elected, would now be doing so.

That's what we get for just voting for the old parties.
26

O Shea Jackson,

17/07/2009 13:07:14

If councillors are now focussed on money and how it should best be spent, I now hopefully await the scrapping of the trams.
27

O Shea Jackson,

17/07/2009 13:07:39
*spawn trashmaster*
28

portboy,

Edinburgh 17/07/2009 13:08:14
Who do these bin men think they are! There basic pay is good for someone who requires no qualifications and only needs to empty bins. People out there do a much harder job for much less. Get back to work and stop wasting everyone's time. There are thousands that would love your job recently just made redundant you selfish and greedy people. That is after lunch when you get your noses out the Council trough!
29

Big bob 79,

17/07/2009 13:08:51
CEC must be well aware of the growing number of unemployed in Edinburgh who are desperatly seeking work. If the binmen strike, fire the lot of them! Then re-hire. With demand for job in the capital so high I am sure a basic of £15,000 for an unskilled job will attract many applicants and do not allow dismissed staff to re-apply.
30

Smackhead,

Edinburgh 17/07/2009 13:11:44
#27 Keep dreaming son as all you anti tram preachers do. The trams are coming. Your moans don't stop them :)
#29 Comments as dumb as yours makes me wonder what you do for a living? Except when your shovelling $hit here I mean.
31

O Shea Jackson,

17/07/2009 13:14:15
#32

I wasn't moaning.
32

Edinburgh North born and bred,

Pilton 17/07/2009 13:20:48
This is the same Cllr Cardownie that has been part of two administartions costing us taxpayers year on year for trips all over the globe, for new designer clothing when ripped on his desk and had the cheek to change his party to cling on to power that fed his bald headed brain with self importance. This is a man that created a job to suit himself - Cultural Tsar - what has he brought to the City in terms of that? Zilch. Simply more free junkets and tickets to satisfy himself.

Biggest crime of all, he's a Cllr for Forth Ward and hasn't been seen in the streets of Pilton, Muirhouse, Royston or Granton since being elected. A dereliction of duty, and an affront to democracy, if that's what you call our current joke of a system!

Now he expects us to beleive that it's all the evil binmens fault that our Council is a complete and utter shambles!

Get a grip Stevie you crook. Tell the truth you sell out to your own kind - family's will lose homes due to massive cuts in their income at a time when no staff from senior managers to the top are even beinng regraded! At a time when private care companies are racking in millions from privatisation of social care! At a time when millions are wasted via a procurement system fit for a third world City! At a time when BT rakes in millions in profit for running a privatised IT system that is shambolic, not fit for purpose and an affront to the needs of the City! At a time when it's clear no lessons have been learned and you Cllr's are in little control due to laziness, multiple jobs and lack of itelligence to fight the officals hellbent on privatising what liitle's left of the Council infrastructure costing jobs, handing millions in profit to the same private system that's brought the Nation to it's knees!

Maggie will be brought of you Stevie, to think you marched against her all those times as a man of the working class, ho ho ho!
33

Mr H 2u,

Embra 17/07/2009 13:21:57
Is it no about time that council tax payers got together and sued the council? We pay for a service, and we're not getting one. After all, it's about all that ordinary folk get off them, with the rest of our money peed up against a wall.
34

Smackhead,

Edinburgh 17/07/2009 13:22:22
#33 Looked that way to me. Otherwise why mention trams in an article that has absolutely no bearing on them?
35

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17/07/2009 13:25:33
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rob hadnum,

17/07/2009 13:27:58
So the reality is binmen need to to do OT (if it's available) to make their wage up to £19K, as described by #26.

And there was some clown making it up in their head that they earn as much as nurses.

Go on the binmen.
37

r chee bold,

17/07/2009 13:36:15
#31, So what Tony the bin men buy their peeces instead of making them, big deal,I used to wait and see what the seagulls and pigeons left for what I got, as far as the parking goes drive round Edinburgh any time day or night and you will see the polis, parked on the kerb, parked in bus lanes during peak periods,driving in bus lanes when not on an emergency, smoking when driving, the list is endless at least the bin men are doing a good days work for a pittance, not like most of our new choir singers,good luck the honest grafters,the bin men.
38

ACK,

17/07/2009 13:38:39
According to the trade waste department over 150 customers have cancelled their contracts in the last month.If this action continues there will be less jobs for them to go back to as more and more people opt for private collections.
39

tomias,

Edinburgh 17/07/2009 13:40:10
market forces
40

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17/07/2009 13:47:19
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41

Smackhead,

Edinburgh 17/07/2009 13:48:19
#42 Toady your talking a pile of poop. Which is pretty much what you do most days mind you. "Dining out" in your mixed up little world constitutes a Gregg's pastie does it? Its about time you floated back down from cloud 9 you old fool.
42

NorT,

Edinburgh 17/07/2009 13:49:05
The union have know about the single status for years and have been involved in the talks during that time with COSLA and the councils. How come they are only know realising any preceived problems. sack the lot of the bin men and put it out to tender.
43

GorgieRepublic,

Edinburgh 17/07/2009 13:51:59
Since we're getting a reduced service does that mean we council tax payers can get a reduction on the amount they gouge from us every month? As I'm on a pay cut that would be pretty handy, not to mention fair, less service to public, less council tax.

Still on the positive side its a golden time for the city's ratcatchers.
44

r chee bold,

17/07/2009 13:59:21
#42 yes you are correct as far as the parking goes, but sometimes a takeaway is cheaper than making it yourself. Good luck to the binmen start the cuts in the city chambers a right lot of wasters.
45

Smackhead,

Edinburgh 17/07/2009 13:59:38
#46 Fat chance. Still, just stop paying it. It works for me :)
46

Angus R,

17/07/2009 14:04:35
#44 - i think you'll find that the preferred choice of the binman is actually a Steak Bake
47

Mr Hankey,

Edinburgh 17/07/2009 14:10:37
Veolia Environmental Services
Shanks
Biffa

These are all large and efficient companies who would do a much better job and provide the taxpayer with better value for money. Here is a suggestion, pfi refuse collection and end this rubbish!!!
48

Y. Lee Kyoté,

Transport Consultant 17/07/2009 14:14:12
A simple solution would be to mount huge vacuum cleaners on the trams and get everyone to put their bin bags by the side of the line.

Performing this additional service may even make the trams profitable, although it will mean that no one can ride on the top deck.
49

blackley,

Edinburgh 17/07/2009 14:18:05
Go back to work, guys. You get a decent wage and you are lucky to have a job in this day and age.
50

pvc paul care assistant aged 17,

g-tones 17/07/2009 14:18:32
Now Now tone calm down remember your blood pressure and wee dont want you soiling your sheets again tonight you naughty boy ! or there will be no bath time treats for you !
51

Disappointed of Edinburgh,

Edinburgh 17/07/2009 14:21:15
#31 Gorgie Tony and his wondrous knowledge of road traffic regulations!

The red lines on Gorgie Road are so faded and worn that any tickets issued by the parking attendants can be appealed and won by the motorist.
Maybe if the council spent some money on painting the red lines and getting the plates correct so that the parking attendants could enforce the red lines etc, then perhaps with the revenue from the fines they could afford to pay the bin men a proper wage
52

rob hadnum,

17/07/2009 14:30:32
#51
Biffa is also a character from Viz.
53

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17/07/2009 14:47:56
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Mince Pie Supper,

17/07/2009 14:54:31
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Mince Pie Supper,

17/07/2009 14:55:11
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56

Brian Ferrari,

17/07/2009 14:55:48
Good luck to those unemployed people who'd like to work as binmen.

It would be nice if we could have some attractive young women on the bins - they should easily be able to wheel the bins to the lorry and slot them on to the lift mechanism, ooh err mrs.

And another thing, when all this mechanised lifting was introduced the job became easier and no doubt quicker to complete. Same money for less work. They don't complain about that do they? Whingers. Off with their heads.
57

Mince Pie Supper,

17/07/2009 15:01:02
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Geore Tony does not compute
58

Jingsitsme,

EDINBURGH 17/07/2009 15:06:52
Time UNITE union realised this is not about what other councils do and do not it is Edinburgh and what we can/cannot do.

Time workers got back to work or else sack em and replace from dole queue. They should be thankful in these times they have a job. They moan about pensions etc - many don't have one now! The biot is they get a decent wage at the moment.

Work practices etc have to change to go forward.

I hope and trust the council do not give in to them. Probably all they wanting is to be out for some time and then be paid indefinate overtime to clear up their mess.

I'll happily do what I can till council get new men on job or women for that fact.
59

Mince Pie Supper,

17/07/2009 15:07:12
How can a Binman getting the sack do him out of a job?
60

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17/07/2009 15:12:22
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61

Mince Pie Supper,

17/07/2009 15:13:19
Roll on the undertaker, under the ground is best!
62

Jingsitsme,

EDINBURGH 17/07/2009 15:18:12
#66 - you really must be an uneducated fool the rubbish you right. I assume you must be one of the unemployed people who don't like work and milk the system . I.e. lazy!
63

rob hadnum,

17/07/2009 15:18:24
#63
Too much of this about people should be happy just to have jobs in 'these times'. People are still entitled to be treated fairly by their employers. What next, we should all be happy to get some hard labour for 12 hours a day as long as there's some bread, water and hard mattress at the end of it? The sort of attitude that's allowing employers to exploit people. Recession isn't as bad as the media makes out.
64

Davie Lad,

Council cant run $hit 17/07/2009 15:20:04
#63 Your a clown. Better to sack you for the cra p your talking here. You can start by happily doing what you can by saving us all having to read your $hit here. That's less rubbish put out for a start.
65

rob hadnum,

17/07/2009 15:27:09
Pity you were unable to articulate your views beyond playground name-calling. Come in #69, your time's up.
66

Davie Lad,

Are you that much of an idiot? 17/07/2009 15:32:19
#70 Whereas you of course have some much wit and humor to offer us all eh a$$hole?
67

BROONISDOOMED,

HITLER YOUTH HATED GORGIE TONY 17/07/2009 15:36:40
Gorgie Tony a legend in his own lunchtime,the man is more troublesome than an angry wasp,down and outs wont come into gorgie as tony is feared worse than the grim reaper,or job centre clerk
he has a fixation for the snp ,hmmm psychiatric help needed for the auld dodger,royal ed refuses to see him as he was making the psychiatrists suicidle with his rantings
no straight jacket can hold him,no padded cell big enough
maybe if we ignore him he will shrivel up and blow away,after all he cant outrun the reaper
68

Mince Pie Supper,

17/07/2009 15:47:47
67

Jingsitsme.

Never assume, it just makes an a$$ out of u and me.

Pr!ck.
69

rob hadnum,

17/07/2009 15:48:09
#71 sorry didn't mean to offend. Calling me a$$hole a wee bit harsh no.

Anyway back to the story. Mon the binmen
70

Jingsitsme,

EDINBURGH 17/07/2009 15:58:23
Time UNITE union realised this is not about what other councils do and do not it is Edinburgh and what we can/cannot do.

Time workers got back to work or else sack em and replace from dole queue. They should be thankful in these times they have a job. They moan about pensions etc - many don't have one now! The bit is they get a decent wage at the moment.

Work practices etc have to change to go forward.

I hope and trust the council do not give in to them. Probably all they wanting is to be out for some time and then be paid indefinate overtime to clear up their mess.

I'll happily do what I can till council get new men on job or women for that fact.
71

Incandescent,

17/07/2009 16:01:30
I thought binmen were now known as "cleansing operatives". No?
72

animmo,

17/07/2009 16:02:40
Keep their wages as they are and then make half of them redundant. Then get in the robotic bin collectors from Italy and make the rest of them redundant.
73

Josef Göbbels,

17/07/2009 16:04:54
Mein lieber Herr Tony.

Ignore these weak snivelling fools, they are no match for real men like us. We know how to keep order by beating the young and poor into submission. Together we will sack these upstart union members and replace them with our loyal GordonBrownShirts. You will lead them. I have been authorised to promote you to the rank of Sturmbinführer.

Yours with kisses, Josef

P.S. Do you still have your old war pistol?
74

Angus R,

17/07/2009 16:16:00
# 67 - it's 'write' not 'right' so i would be careful who you call uneducated.


Is the leader of the strike Bin Laden?
75

Englishman living in Edinburgh,

17/07/2009 16:21:20
#76

Synthetic-biological hazmat logistical engineer

or

Scaffie
76

TDB333,

saughton mains 17/07/2009 16:22:01
how dare that tory idiot say the binmen are holding the council to ransom! the greedy council are the ones who are forcing a pay cut on the workforce,and not just the "binmen" as everyone keeps harping on about, its also affecting...gardeners,gravediggers,toilet attendants,street cleaners,social care workers,library assistants, ect,ect,ect the list is a long one. And the amounts these people are losing is in the thousands,NONE of them are asking for MORE, just to stay as they are!!! not too much to ask i think..
since the "elected council" we have got here, have spent all the city coffers on a tram line that hardly a citizen of edinburgh wanted, or will probibly use.
SO DONT RUN DOWN THE WORKFORCE, CONDEM THE GREEDY,INEPT,CLOWNS THAT CALL THEMSELVES OUR COUNCIL LEADERS.!
77

What a debacle,

17/07/2009 16:25:21
How hard can it be. You sit in a truck, get driven around, empty the bins and then go home. Town is a disgrace.

I spose the beauty of it is we are providing a great habitat for the rats, mice and birds, and the diseases they can carry. So by increasing the rubbish, we can increase the rat population and diseases and thus potentially increase the strain on hospitals caring for people getting sick.

Maybe they should try and empty them in a timely manner, and then they could qualify for a bonus. But a bonus is just that, recognition of hard work over the year.

But lets not forget the trusty old pest exterminators, they must be rubbing their hands at the thought of the fees they can get for disposing of the rats. So by not collecting rubbish and whinging about their salaries, the bin men increase the pest population and then the council have to spend more tax payers money employing exterminators. We should invoice the bin men for the exterminators fees and see if that shuts them up.

Makes me happy to know we are wasting money.
78

Ferry Resident,

17/07/2009 16:34:50
I remember years ago being involved in a "work to rule". Productivity went up because the workers were actually doing what they were being paid to do. It is time the council managers got out of their plush offices and adopted a zero tolerance and ensure that the bin men were actually following the rules. No way are they working to rule when bins have only been emptied once in the last 4 weeks.
79

rob hadnum,

17/07/2009 16:45:57
#81 too right. Mon the binmen, gardeners, gravediggers, toliet attedants, social care workers and library assistants.
80

sabos,

Edinburgh 17/07/2009 16:53:03
Just give them there money and get the streets of Edinburgh back to normal.What was the point in taking it of them in the first place these bosses need a good kick up the a**e.Everyone in Edinburgh is getting sick to the back teth with this bins going unemptied for weeks the streets are a mess the place is a damb disgrace.SHAME ON THE CITY OF EDINBURGH COUNCIL.
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sabos,

17/07/2009 16:57:02
#7 Good comment well said.
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Lee John,

17/07/2009 16:57:49
#84

Dear oh dear oh dear. What a paranoid post. You're making it all up aren't you? Solicitor? Pfwaa.
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17/07/2009 17:04:35
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Lee John,

17/07/2009 17:04:39
#90 - Demented.
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David55,

17/07/2009 17:08:41
84 Gorgie Tony - You must be a pretty sad individual, when you are so angered/concerned about comments on the EEN comments sections that you consult a solicitor.

Maybe you should contemplate why people dislike you enough to make nasty comments.

Ya Walloper.
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Hissy Fit,

17/07/2009 17:09:04
WARNING! WARNING! Sense of humour failure: Gorgie Tony.

Prepare the padded cell and straitjacket!
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Calum McLeod 1,

17/07/2009 17:09:23
#90 - Reported? What for?
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portboy,

Edinburgh 17/07/2009 17:11:09
Lets all jump on the binman Cooncil gravy train - slurp slurp....lovely!!!! Its a job any monkey could do with minimal brain cells and overpaid. Sack the lot and lets get some real workers in. Typical local authority laziness. YOU HAVE NO SYMPATHY YOU WASTERS.
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Icebreaker,

newbridge 17/07/2009 17:11:09
Would you empty the bins for a measily 12 grand?
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rob hadnum,

17/07/2009 17:11:37
I think GT is just a master of the wind up. Comedy genius all this.
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Lee John,

17/07/2009 17:13:00
Some guy's post with my observations.

"The bin men can afford to buy prepared meals for lunch. In my day you would bring in a sandwich you had made up yourself."

*******Who cares? You eat what you like.*****

"So the bin men are not short of cash, and all this eating out, suggests they are overpaid."

*****No it doesn't. Maybe they lead very busy lives and just don't have the time.*****

"11:20am this morning, as regular as clockwork, the bin wagon illegally parks on the red lines on Gorgie Road and all the bin men get out and go to a bakers shop."

*****Welcome to the crazy world of Angry Pensioner*****

"Today it was vehicle number VA07 *LP"

*****FFS get a life. Report them if it bugs you so much.*****
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Fido Dogstoevsky,

Cooncil kennels 17/07/2009 17:13:05
#84
Crikey! And I thought I was barking!
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Lee John,

17/07/2009 17:16:18
In my day I was lucky to get fed EVER. When I came 2nd in my class my dad battered me with a pole with a nail in it. I told him it is very hard to read Braille with a hook. Did he listen?
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Lee John,

17/07/2009 17:18:25
101

You may be barking. #84 is Dagenham - beyond barking.
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Twitchfinder General,

17/07/2009 17:27:34
Oddly, I have just had an idea for a new TV show:

Strictly Come Ranting will feature frothy-mouthed old window-lickers who are invited to harangue a captive audience (protected by a saliva-proof screen) on any topic currently obsessing them, before being judged by a panel of unsympathetic Evening News contributors.

Points will be awarded for foot-stamping tantrums, general hystrionics and any assertion that turns out to be true, but deducted for repeating onself, threatening legal action or self-inducing a coronary.

Any suggestions for likely competitors?
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archie12,

17/07/2009 17:29:14
Does anyone know if there's a full moon tonight or just in EH11?
Must go, got to lock up virgin daughters and look out the garlic to go with my stake.
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Lee John,

17/07/2009 17:31:00
For more meanderings, musings and poster abuse try:-

http://sport.scotsman.com/recession/Only-two-of-city39s-biggest.5350861.jp?CommentPage=1&CommentPageLength=1000#4115140

and the one two below #16.

Failing that just try typing into google:-

site: scotsman.com "Gorgie_Tony"
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B L Zeebub,

17/07/2009 17:44:11
Gorgie Toley....you crack me up.....go on admit it...you're just a wind up merchant aintcha....Angustura is not as bitter as you
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Von Trippenhoff,

17/07/2009 17:46:48
I'm surprise old Tony hasn't had a rant about the amount of stops for pasties in restricted parking areas a bin lorry registered in the Severn Valley must have had to make to get all the way up here.
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Ronald Gemstone,

17/07/2009 17:51:42
You all moan about the binmen not being worth their wages. Do you realise through this process that most managers will be gaining about £4,000 per year. Are they worth it?
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B L Zeebub,

17/07/2009 17:57:18
#97 Portboy....a job any monkey with minimal braincells could do?....beyond your capabilities then....if you had another brain cell it would be lonely
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Tony from Gorgie,

Edinburgh 17/07/2009 18:06:04
The council leaders really have to have a good look at themseleves. The refuse workers do a hard, horrible job and should under no circumstances have to take a pay cut. I support their 'work to rule' and possible stike action fully. These guys and women have families to look after and cannot be possibly expected to do this on £12,000 when are used to living on £17,000.
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Euan,

Edinburgh 17/07/2009 18:06:37
#84 Silly Old Man

Tony, this is your most ridiculous rant yet - by FAR.

You really do have very serious problems old man, very serious indeed.

Never mind eh?, tick, tock..
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English Boy in Edinburgh,

Edinburgh 17/07/2009 18:09:23
Hi peeps. Not long in Edinburgh so thought wud com on here and see whats its all bout. Binnies do a worthwhile job and shud get that pay rise. Slicker 21 mate dont agree with the way u speak to others. Goon the trashmen. Luv u all
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PaulB,

Edinburgh 17/07/2009 18:13:16
Perhaps if the council had done something about this years ago isntead or burying their heads in the sand we would not be in this mess now. And why should anyone have to sufgfer a wage cut at a time like this. Edinburgh Council are useless idiots the councillors should all be forced to resign.
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Incandescent,

17/07/2009 18:14:35
#84 Ah, G-Tone, you really have plumbed new depths of utter nonsense. It is possible to make online statements which breach some of the newer legislation. However, as I clearly pointed out to you yesterday, you are not personally identifiable on this site, therefore your real-life reputation cannot be harmed in any way whatsoever by any perceived insult to your online alter ego, therefore slander CANNOT EXIST.

But all this is by-the-by, as you have not in fact consulted a solicitor, have you? If you did, you would have to make wildly false allegations for them to take you remotely seriously. The truth hurts, doesn't it Gorgie_Tony?

Dolt!

But don't stop now. You amuse me.
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Mince Pie Supper,

17/07/2009 18:14:37
George Tony,

For someone who condones hitting kids, we too can take screenshots of your violent notated outbursts.

Perhaps it is us who should find you and take legal action.

Go to bed George.
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archie12,

17/07/2009 18:17:19
All,
Gorgie_Tony IS the Site Moderator working from the EN newsroom, and now I can prove it. Cheers, GT!
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BROONISDOOMED,

17/07/2009 18:18:34
#83 unless they actualy threaten your life or body,the police can do nothing,i had same guff from sister in law,took legal advice on it so away and have a sleep
this is done to scare the ones he cant attack ,because they are far superiour in intelligence than him
so why dont we all complain to EEN/Scotsman/SOS about him abusing people on here
or lets all file complaints to press complaints commission as this paper lets him abuse us all
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bumf,

17/07/2009 18:18:56
Mad old Gorgie Tony wears a petticoat
And amuses all the people here with bile
He loves to have a red-faced rant
Sat there in his underpants
Where's his lawyer?
No, we don't care!
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pvc paul care assistant aged 17,

17/07/2009 18:19:09
listen guys please do not wind tone up, he very upset has complained,mind you not as upset as he will be when he finds out binmen are to get 20% pay rise plus extra bonuses for clearing the back log
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hoblar,

17/07/2009 18:19:54
Unite are a political organisation that put labour party policies before the interest of their workers.

A great example of this is the guff they spoke with regard to the Diego closure at the Johnny Walker plant in Kilmarnock where the Scottish Government was slagged off (!) and yet Des Browne and the deplorable political posturing of rent a gob Murphy were apparently fine.

Any trade union that contributes to the labour party will have rent a mouths who try to speak for labour first, then for their members interests.

That is the wrong approach, and was the reason I left a union that contributed to the labour party, even though you could opt out, the principle of supporting labour is one that hardly anybody in Scotland aspires to, except for the mouth pieces in some of the unions.
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Slick 21,

17/07/2009 18:20:36
#116. Show us the proof.
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Mince Pie Supper,

17/07/2009 18:25:48
Agh, arr, oh no, Geo..rge To..ny, please, (cough) please, fu (cough), fully (cough) fu@k off and go to bed.
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archie12,

17/07/2009 18:28:01
#121 - Connections with JP at Holyrood Road will ensure that he is denied access to the site through his log-on details and his IP address.
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Stoogefinder General,

17/07/2009 18:28:57
#116 - You're right! The posts have been renumbered as well as some of them deleted. GT's rant was at 84, but it's now 83. Someone really has had a sense of humour failure!
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Mince Pie Supper,

but only eat half my chips tonight. 17/07/2009 18:31:07
(Burp)
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English Boy in Edinburgh,

17/07/2009 18:32:10
hey dudes new on here so y all the bad noises?
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Mince Pie Supper,

17/07/2009 18:32:36
Roxy summer you need to go to the Bin claims 'would cost £60m and 2,000 jobs' thread.

This is the George Tony Bash Thread.
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sabos,

Edinburgh 17/07/2009 18:33:43
BINMEN RULE just ask gorgie tony
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BROONISDOOMED,

17/07/2009 18:38:29
#127 ive had that done for posting the truth about labour,seems this paper prefers lies
worse than nazis ,they stuff the paper with labour lies,use gorgie tony and rufus ,to stir up trouble
the newspaper is supposed to print the truth not truth as this papers london political donkeys say so
democracy in scotland seems to be for the chosen few,the rest of us are mere scruffs
but remember what happend to the nazis,in time they were destroyed
take note tony,all your child beating answers could be construde as you being a danger to kids
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sabos,

17/07/2009 18:43:34
Tonys in bed way his coco hahaha dreaming about the binmen.
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piccaso,

edinburgh 17/07/2009 18:46:28
So please tell me why the bucket men have to get a bonus, there job is to empty our rubbish away from our doors, stuff the bonus and the overtime, just get the lazy gits to do there 8 hours, instead of the measly 5 they do, and thats on a good day,

JUST REMEMBER ONE THING, YOU LAZY LOT ARE PAID TO EMPTY BINS, SO GET IT DONE.......NOW...RICHARD HEADS..
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English Boy in Edinburgh,

17/07/2009 18:47:18
hey jake whats the score some bad guy cort?
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English Boy in Edinburgh,

17/07/2009 18:55:38
alrihty mate sonds a bad un rock on jake
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bumf,

17/07/2009 19:32:58
Here is the Venom-spitting Forecast for the next 24 hours.

Edinburgh north, south and east: Reasoned debate trending to showers of ridicule under provocation, fair enough.

Gorgie: Abusive namecalling, hysterical rants, becoming psychotic later. Possible coronary, good.
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Foo,

17/07/2009 19:34:15
#144

I couldn't agree more.

Quite frankly, if these people are representative of bin men, they deserve to be fired, never mind get off with a pay cut.

People assume the characteristics of their environment, and boy these idiots prove it; total and utter trash with filthy dirty minds.

Come on EEN, get them banned, the lot of them. You need unique hits to a site for ads, not repeat trolling such as this.
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lauradoll,

Edinburgh 17/07/2009 19:38:00
Well said JFW from the New Town! I agree with your comment.
Yes there are lot of people out there with more skills
who are paid a lot less.Yes the streets are often in a worse mess after the the binmen have left.
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rob hadnum,

17/07/2009 19:40:01
#146 who's representative of a binman? (and I think you'll find it's 'refuse operatives')

And I thought supermarkets were supposed to be encouraging people to use LESS plastic bags!

Mon the binmen, you deserve more not less.
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valleyjim,

Up Tae Ma een in sh!te 17/07/2009 20:01:03
Sack them. Simple as that. Especially the lazy assoles who do South Queensferry. I have actualy witnessed the full squad having a two and a half hour lunch break in the queens. Employ some decent hard working Polish men.
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Alice in Embraland,

17/07/2009 20:01:21
Foo, is it really you?

I agree with you, the EEN should try and ensure comments are relevant to the topic, but they will have to ban people who are deliberately confrontational.

People have been very nasty to Gorgie Tony today, but he brings it on himself. You should know, you've had spats with him yourself.
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Captain Jacks Back,

High Street 17/07/2009 20:14:58
Try not to forget that low paid council workers are losing a good percentage of their wage while senior managers are gaining about £4,000 each.

All you guys moan about is the binmen. Why not moan about what the managers are making out of it.
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huggie,

17/07/2009 20:32:52
as i said yesterday those who reply to GTs posts re thicker than him he is taking you all for a ride and you teapots are indulging him IGNORE THE OLD PERV and the fact he condones beating kids proves is is one so report that
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the niz09,

edinburgh 17/07/2009 20:47:56
If the unwashed wage stealing binmen actually work for there wages during the credit crunch going from 19k to 16.5 k that is a decent wage for the work they are actually ment to do .
As person who has notice the state of Edinburgh during this work to rule im discused and ask for people of Edinburgh to stop paying council tax until every council bin person is removed and replace by people who actually care how our lovely city should look and be happy with earning a good wage of 16.5k.
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Foo,

17/07/2009 20:51:53
#152

Alice, Hi. Yes it is me! :o)

Bin-dudes. GT is clearly a madman; be the bigger man and just ignore him. Everyone knows and is appalled by him, you don't need to get so vicious yourself, you're just lowering yourself to his level.

As for this story; I have a lot of sympathy for the bin men. I remember being on a wage of £14000 not so long ago and it wasn't much fun - and this was in a 'skilled' job. We're all cattle getting pushed through the grinder.

However, I think the unions need to play this smart; strikes and 'go slows' lose public support. Clever smart, and calculated negotiation, in my opinion, would go a lot further. One only has to look at the BA staff working for free in some cases, and more other examples, to realise that no is not the time to negotiate.

To me, the proposals don't look too bad. Sure there are a few extra job details, and in SOME cases a reduction in wage, however it looks as if the pay will balance out for many, particularly for - you would imagine - the harder, more dedicated workers. Anyway, the proposed conditions aren't so bad, in my opinion at a time of recession, that they couldn't be put up with until a more opportune time presents itself whereupon the union can flex its collective muscle and demand better pay, with the support of the public.

On a side note; a friend of mine recently got laid off because of the recession we're in. There was no option of strike, negotiation or go slows, he was shown the door. Bin men need to realise just how desperate times are just now.
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Foo,

17/07/2009 20:56:14
#157

One only has to look at the BA staff working for free in some cases, and more other examples, to realise that no is not the time to negotiate.

=

One only has to look at the BA staff working for free in some cases, and MANY other examples, to realise that NOW is not the time to negotiate.
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3waysplit,

Auld of the Reek 17/07/2009 20:57:06
#156 the piz09
I love this.
Run along piz,you will pay your Council Tax.
Hope it hurts,mind you,its only money.

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Stoogefinder General,

17/07/2009 20:58:28
Now GT's rant at 83 has been removed. Either the EN are fed up with him or someone is covering their tracks.
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valleyjim,

The Capital 17/07/2009 21:05:33
#161 P!ss off back where ye came fae.
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Alice in Embraland,

17/07/2009 21:13:18
Hi Foo, good to have you back!

You're right, a recession is not the time to strike, but the management have done themselves no favours, either. For many years the folk at the top have paid themselves more for doing less and paid workers less for doing more. Faced with that, you can't blame those at the bottom for trying to hang on to what they have, even if some have been "working the system".

Until there is pay transparency at all levels, both sides lack credibility when trying to negotiate a fair settlement and the whole effort disappears under the usual confrontational rhetoric.
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valleyjim,

The Capital 17/07/2009 21:15:05
#163 Ah wiz only kiddin. Ye kin start oan Monday. Bring a big piece.
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Alice in Embraland,

17/07/2009 21:15:26
Oh, forgot to say I'm off out now - see you next week!
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Foo,

17/07/2009 21:21:35
laterzzz
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bumf,

17/07/2009 21:33:36
For those of you who missed it earlier and want to ponder G-Tone's most thoughtful and considered address to his many loyal fans, here it is again in all its eye-bulging, utterly demented apoplexy:

"By the way posters - and I am talking to the ones who use personal abuse against me, and suggest that I am something that I am not. After the advice of a fellow poster, anyone who directs spiteful comments, with suggestions I am something that I am not, I will be taking screenshots, which will be stored for evidential purposes. I spoke to a solicitor this morning and he gave me some very good advice. This has been brought to the attention of the EEN - and they have also been told that any abusive comments, which suggest something I am not, must be removed, otherwise legal action will be taken against all parties concerned. Lets not forget, the EEN, holds information on all posters, so don't think you cannot be traced. I am not against those that dispute my views, but it is targeted at those that make personal comments about my private life - something they nothing about, so they make up things, which are simply not true."

Could it have been something we said?
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groaning tony ,

Right Behind YOU 17/07/2009 22:32:04
They're coming to take me away, HA HA
They're coming to take me away, HO HO HEE HEE HA HA
To the funny farm
Where life is beautiful all the time
And I'll be happy to see
Those nice, young men
In their clean, white coats
And they're coming to take me away, Ha-haaa!

You thought it was a joke
And so you laughed
You laughed when I had said
That suing you would make me flip my lid
Right. . .

You know you laughed, I heard you laugh
You laughed, you laughed and laughed
And then you replied
But now you know I'm utterly mad!
And. . .
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j55,

Edinburgh 17/07/2009 23:07:53
Once again our council has turned up trumps.
Not happy with turning our once lovely city into one giant road works for a useless one line tram system that is of no use to the majority of city residents but who will in the end have to pay through the nose with higher council tax to bail the white elephant out when it goes over budget which it will almost certainly do.
They have now turned it into a land fill with rubbish all over the streets, and at the start of the tourist season.
They must be so proud of themselves.
Come on councillors do the city a favour and resign, before you do any more damage to this once beautiful city.
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groaning tony ,

Right Behind YOU 18/07/2009 00:48:18
News Update

The Eiffel Tower and Notre dame came under fire today from G_Tone, these Paris sites just sicken me he was heard to say.
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Tony from Gorgie,

18/07/2009 00:57:15
The cleansing workers need the public's full support. Would you take a £5,000 reduction in your wage when you only earn £17,000 at the moment? These guys and girls do a great job given the circumstances they have to work under. i.e. would you like a dirty nappy thrown at you from the 7th floor of a block of flats? Would you like to pick up a bag of rubbish with sharp dirty needles poking out of it? Would you like to deal with rubbish (in more than 1 meaning of the word) that the public throws at these guys? PLEASE SUPPORT THESE WORKERS.
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groaning tony ,

Right Behind YOU 18/07/2009 01:18:30
172Sandy Balustrades

'but I am keen to MEAT those that make personal suggestions for spicing up my private life'

fixed that for you
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Julian.,

edinburgh 18/07/2009 01:19:47
With news that unemployment has doubled in the last year and bins lying unemptied with the workers doing no overtime wouldn't it be more sensible to take on more employees to fill in the extra hours?
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Dave23841,

18/07/2009 02:17:21
Everyone is talking about how much they get paid, but has anyone asked how many hours they do to get the 12k a year basic? cause if they worked 9 hours a day then they are getting paid less than minimum wage for their basic salary
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B L Zeebub,

18/07/2009 02:27:49
Julian...that's waaaaay too sensible mate. You can't post sense on here, Gorgie_Toley will have it removed.
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Julian.,

edinburgh 18/07/2009 02:50:12
#179,

Thanks for that.

But I'm beginning to see something here.

Workers refusing to do overtime and causing chaos because there's too much work to do.

Workers being thrown on the dole left, right and centre because there's not enough work to do.

The words rocket and scientist come to mind.
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donald,

glasgow 18/07/2009 07:13:41
Bin Laden.
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Mince Pie Supper,

18/07/2009 07:25:47
Time to get up and take your pills now George Tony.
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Mince Pie Supper,

18/07/2009 07:27:44
Georges Nurse said, "Sorry George, we gave you the wrong dose yesterday."

Georges Nurse went to the window.

"My you do look pretty said George".

The six foot male Nurse turned around and said, "Why thank you George".
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Anonym,

G_Tones for First Minister 18/07/2009 08:17:16
Well said Foo, though I seem to recal you making some nasty comments yourself, you disgusting little hypocrite.

Anyway... 'mon the refuse engineers... ahem.
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Chirpy Council Worker,

18/07/2009 09:26:00
#175

Other works have to clean up messes like that aswell.

Workers have tools for doing such tasks, brushes, shovels, litter pickers etc; as for removing needles its no hassle atall, the council has regular courses for dealign with such things.

ITS NOT LIKE THEY USE THEIR HANDS!!!
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pvc paul care assistant aged 17,

@gorgie-tonys 18/07/2009 10:05:43
Oh what a terrible night i have had with tone, ranting and raving about abusers,crying like a baby because some of his comments were removed yesterday. No amount of sedation can control him hes reaching phycotic level, and he soiled the sheets again.
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GMc,

edinburgh 18/07/2009 11:32:07
I have some sympathy for the bin men because I wouldn't like to be told that my take home pay was going to go down, and saying that they should just be happy to be in a job doesn't really help if they have morgages and other debts based on their normal wage (and yes companies do take regular bonuses in to acoount).
Anyway people should, while this is on going, be able to take responsibillity for their own rubbish. I'm going to the dump with 8 bags today, I know not everyone can do this but those who can, should!
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GMc,

edinburgh 18/07/2009 11:37:09
#177 & #179 ... If they employ more staff, they would have to then pay more holiday pay and sick pay etc. far better to rely on overtime where you can.
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GrahamH,

Edinburgh 18/07/2009 15:52:49
"We're happy to meet, but there is no point in going into a meeting if they are not prepared to deal with us properly and seriously." says Smart.

The council have stated their case, they seem to be adopting a straightforward stance here. What is the point of Smart being in his position if he can't negotiate without the council buckling first?

Scrap final pension council pensions, like all private businesses would free the council up to spend more on salaries.

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Goody2Shoes,

EDINBURGH 20/07/2009 18:50:05
He said Unite's alternative proposals for bringing pay structures into line with gender equality laws were simply unaffordable without massive job losses.

The union hit back, however, saying the council was only willing to put in half as much money as other Scottish authorities to sorting out equal pay problems.

If the female employees take their greivances for equal pay to an employment tribunal, they would win. How does any employer think that women shouldnt have equal pay.
Also if Bin men are paid £17000 for emptying bins thats a great salary compared to admin/clerical and auxilliary nurses in the NHS - and they dont get a bonus or such an easy life.
As has been said before sack them all and give the jobs to the currently unemployed or bring in the army to clear the rubbish.



 

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