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Published Date: 29 January 2009
IT looked unexciting at first, then developed into a drama – and at 5pm yesterday it became a crisis. The rejection of the Scottish Government's budget, on the casting vote of the Presiding Officer, took everyone by surprise.
Finance Secretary John Swinney has already submitted the £33 billion spending programme for parliament to reconsider, and the Government has proposed cancelling MSPs' half-term break next month to get a revised package passed.

Yesterday's events m
ean the threat of the Government resigning and the spectre of an unwelcome snap election now hover over Holyrood.

First Minister Alex Salmond says no government can continue in office if its budget is not accepted, and although Scottish Parliament rules would give Labour a chance to try to form an administration rather than spark an immediate election, Mr Salmond says in such a scenario it should be the people of Scotland who choose the Government.

After the shock of yesterday's vote, the chances must be that ministers will make sure they have a majority before a second attempt at getting approval for their spending proposals, which include accelerated investment in housing, schools and hospitals.

The budget defeat is the most serious setback yet for Mr Salmond since the SNP came to power in May 2007.

In the early stages of this year's process, it was widely assumed Mr Swinney would have little trouble in persuading people to back the government or abstain. The consensus was that no-one would want to be seen rocking the boat for party political advantage at a time of economic crisis.

Earlier this month, the budget passed its first hurdle by 107 votes to 16. Opposition parties warned there was no guarantee they would vote for the package, and while their comments were dismissed as posturing, positions hardened as the day of the crucial vote drew nearer.

The Lib Dems effectively wrote themselves out of the drama weeks ago by going all-out to argue for the Scottish Parliament to use its "tartan tax" powers to reduce income tax by 2p. That would mean £800 million of cuts – something the SNP was never going to agree to.

The Tories were seen from the beginning as the SNP's most reliable allies, and other opposition parties say after their apparent success last year in winning pledges on police, drugs and business rates, the Conservatives sold themselves too cheap this time round.

After the ridicule heaped on Labour last year, the party was determined to play its hand differently this time. There were several meetings with ministers where Labour pressed for more resources to help beat the economic crisis, and the logic was if that if these were not forthcoming, Labour would vote against the package.

The Greens, meanwhile, with just two MSPs, knew the budget was their best chance to press for radical pro-environment measures to be included in the Government programme.

They resisted the temptation of a green "shopping list" and concentrated on one simple, if expensive, proposal – a £100m programme of free home insulation, which they said would be good for the environment and create jobs.

Although the Greens had set out their proposals as long ago as October and talks had taken place, negotiations reached a climax in the run-up to yesterday's vote.

Patrick Harvie met Mr Salmond on Tuesday night, was on the phone to him yesterday morning, and had another 20-minute phone conversation ending just ten minutes before the debate started.

Mr Harvie was angry at the last-minute nature of the attempted deal-making, and when he was confronted by a television crew on his way into the debating chamber, he did nothing to hide his feelings.

He would not reveal if there was a deal, but he did say it was "disgraceful" the Government had left everything so late and was handling the budget in such a "haphazard" way, and said: "This is Scotland's budget and it should be done better than this."

Minutes later, Mr Swinney was announcing £60m for a town centre regeneration fund – a move to please both Labour and the Tories – and £22m for home insulation, intended to satisfy Mr Harvie.

The Green leader was called out of the chamber for a further word with Mr Salmond, but when Mr Harvie got his turn to speak, he branded the £22m "inadequate" and said he would vote against the budget unless that figure rose at least 50 per cent.

In his speech closing the debate, Mr Swinney spoke of "levering in" cash from partners like local authorities or regeneration firms to make the total £33m.

Opposition MSPs jeered at what looked like a last-minute capitulation. Still unconvinced, Mr Harvie wanted an assurance that if partners could not come up with the cash the Government would guarantee it.

Mr Swinney's reply – "The Government has said what it has said and it will ensure that it happens" – looked as if it might be enough to win the two Greens over, but when Presiding Officer Alex Fergusson read out the result of the vote it was 64-64 and he used his casting vote, as required by convention, for the status quo. Mr Harvie said there were "too many caveats" in the pledge and insisted the £33m had to be all new money.

The Greens' decision not to be bought off in the final few minutes was a bold move. While it should not take too much for the Government to reassure them, after yesterday's surprise no-one will predict what happens next.





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  • Last Updated: 29 January 2009 9:23 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Ian Swanson
 
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29/01/2009 10:15:50
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alanh,

ek 29/01/2009 10:23:18
"In the early stages of this year's process, it was widely assumed Mr Swinney would have little trouble in persuading people to back the government or abstain. The consensus was that no-one would want to be seen rocking the boat for party political advantage at a time of economic crisis."

so where are the headlines today getting stuck into the lib dums and the nu liebores for playing silly beggers with a lot of people's livelyhoods?
Everyone knew that teh 2p tax cut was never going to happen but when are nu liebore, north brittian dept, going to be questioned on what their "objection" to the budget was, what their wish list would cost and what CUTS would they make to fund them???????????
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The Tin Man,

29/01/2009 10:37:53
#3 alanh

I seem to remember that you are a supporter of a 3% LIT rate, which would lower revenue by almost exactly the same amount as reducing income tax by 2%. Why is one tax-cut better than another?
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alanh,

ek 29/01/2009 11:08:30
yep tin man I am in favour of fairer funding for local govt.

One wee tiny difference between the two tax cuts you compare is that someone on £500,000 a year would save a lot more under the 2p tax cut that a worker on £10,000, whereas under LIT they would pay more.
Is that simple enough an example of the difference between the two for you?

But in the context of the budget where should the CUTS come, for the lib dums ridiculous 2p tax cut?
Personally, I dont think income tax reductiions are the best way to help fund the infrastructure projects that will help us to ride out the recession and i have not seen any argument from the lib dums, or any of their supporters, that has alterred my opinion on it.
Altho i am happy to read any of your comments that may enlighten me to why it would be such a great idea? Only remember to say how you would fund it please or its just pie in the sky, imo
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The ghost of Harry Lauder,

Edinburgh 29/01/2009 12:26:55
1 - Greens have played it well here; unlike the Tories who sold out too cheap and the Liberals who cut themselves out at the outset. I think it still probable that the most likely deal is with the Greens - after all most SNP activists would support the home insulation programme - but the Green MSPs have shown that thir votes are not to be assumed to be in the bag.
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alanh,

ek 29/01/2009 12:46:13
nope the Green have blown it, imo.

Now the lib dums look to be softning on their 2p tax cut, or thats the way wee tavish sounded in FMQs, the Greens may now lose the money they managed to get
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bonniecharlie,

kirkcaldy 29/01/2009 13:00:50
Labour and LibDems should be ashamed of themselves for playing political games when the economy is in such dire straits. All the parties should be standing behind the budget and pressurising Labour at Westminster for every penny we can get to help the people of Scotland and save jobs. The Scottish MP's at Westminster should be doing the same. English MP'S have been standing up for the car industry and the steel industry for help. I think most Scottish MP's at Westminster are afraid to stand up in case they look to be taking sides. I have not heard one MP at westminster standing up for Scotland in fact I dont think the Scottish budget defeat even got a mention in the media down south. Scotland just seems to be a thorn in thier side.
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MandyMac,

Glasgow 29/01/2009 14:03:24
Bring on an election and this time make it democratic!
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29/01/2009 14:12:37
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

29/01/2009 14:57:09
If Salmond does resign I would suggest that Labour would not want to try to lead an administration, but they might want to put forward a uniting figure as FM to enable a coalition to be formed.

What about a Lab/Con minority coalition, led by Annabel Goldie, with a working majority provided by the Lib Dems on a confidence and supply basis?
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malcolmcean,

29/01/2009 15:09:12
Duncan in Nepholokukugia:

I am sure that David Cameron would be delighted by the prospect of Auntie Bella at the head of the 'party of the recession'.

Only hardened NuLabourites like your good self want Labour back anywhere near power in Scotland.

The budget will pass and the counry will breathe a huge sigh of relief that the twitching monkies of the Labour party in Scotland have their inarticulate musings and sticky hands nowhere near the levels of power.

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malcolmcean,

29/01/2009 15:11:51
Should have been an 'e' instead of the 'o', an 'o' instead of a 'u' and a double 'k'. You get the idea, though.
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

29/01/2009 15:18:37
#12 According to the last election, almost exactly the same number of people wanted Labour in charge as wanted the SNP. There was less than 1% of the vote between them, which is why there is only one seat between them in the Parliament. You and others have behaved ever since as if it was a landslide victory, which in fact it was the most divided electorate ever in Scotland.

The SNP have screwed up here, and they are desperately trying to cast the blame onto someone else. Pats Harvie was right to stick to his guns, Labour and the Lib Dems were right to oppose the budget since it is so far from what they want, and it is the responsibility of the SNP that the budget fell.

Swinney needs to fix it, but *if he won't* then the SNP deserve to lose power.
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subrosa,

29/01/2009 15:41:46
What a rubbish headline " Swinney Reeling". Yes he was disappointed, that was obvious to all, but he's behaved impeccably since and shown himself far about the quality of the labour party members.

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alanh,

ek 29/01/2009 15:48:57
#14 duncan

"Labour and the Lib Dems were right to oppose the budget since it is so far from what they want, and it is the responsibility of the SNP that the budget fell."

nope it is the irresponsible attitude of the nu liebore , north brittian dept, msps. They put party interests before the needs of the country and put in jeopardy all local and nhs funding and the accelerated funding plans for this financial year by playing petty party games
You claim that the budget were RIGHT to oppose the budget cos it was so far from what they wanted. However have you actually seen what they want? How much it would cost? and what they would drop from the budget to accomidate their claims?
What ammendments did nu liebore, north brittian dept, submit?

Nu liebore have a big problem here. They seem incapable of realising that they are now in opposition and that their DEMANDS wont always be fully met. THEY must be prepared to compromise which they simply would NOT do in this budget because they were out to oppose WHATEVER was put before them. They couldn't abstain, AGAIN, cos they were a laughing stock last year cos of it.
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

29/01/2009 15:59:07
#16 Not a single clue.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 29/01/2009 16:04:25
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The SNP are a minority administration and it is their responsibility to ensure that their budget is acceptable to the democratically elected representatives of the Scottish people. Mr Swinney singularly failed to do this.
Typically the nationalist response has to been to blame everybody but themselves. True to form the nationalists on here resort to childish name-calling.
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 29/01/2009 16:11:09
18 How many amendments did labour put into play during the budget at stage 1 and 2?

What are Labour proposing and how much is it going to cost?
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Alastair the First,

29/01/2009 16:21:01
Patrick Harvie a pal of yours, Duncan? I think he rather got carried away with himself, enjoying the limelight. He could have got a part of what he wanted but instead he is now in the position where if the libDems decide to talk sensibly, he is again an irrelevance.

Labour have really shot themselves in both feet. By the way, Elaine Murray, Dumfries MSP, was moaning on last week about alleged lack of funding for town centre regeneration, despite the fact that when in power Labour did sweet FA about that, and yet she voted against a budget that included £60 million for town centre regeneration. Hypocritical or what?

Labour just want to hamstring the SNP government by forcing them to fritter away money on dross, and then they will try to blame them when important things get cut. Labour - the new 5th Columnists.
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Eve,

Scotland 29/01/2009 16:26:22
#15 subrosa: Aye, I thought it was a daft headline. Considering that the SNP head a minority goverment.

Most sensable thinking people would realise that there was a good chance that things like this might happen. The opistion parties are obvouely going to hold out a bit to se if they can alter it.

Wither they evetulaly cave in to the buget is something noone but the unionist polutions themself.
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Eve,

Scotland 29/01/2009 16:32:20
#18 Grahamski; Sorry didn't relaise that calling thoes who belive in the union, unionist was ofencive. What would you rather be refered to as?
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Shredder,

29/01/2009 17:15:23
The Tories are all too comfortable in bed with their tartan cousins nowadays, but Harvie obviously felt it would suit his own ends within his party to be seen to be playing hard ball while at the same time grabbing himself a positive headline, much needed if his party are to avoid going the way of the SSP.
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Thomas79,

Ayrshire 29/01/2009 17:43:45
#18 Grahamski

You are wrong, again. The whole parliament is responsible for the budget, and every party has a reponsibility to be mature and constructive when brokering deals with the government, the Tories should be commended for just such an approach.

The government did give in to most of Labours demands, but still Labour voted against, I think they never had any intention of voting for it, simply because its an SNP budget. Remember last year, Labour had a last minute deal breaker offer, the SNP accepted, then they abstained anyway. And you think the SNP are childish.
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malcolmcean,

29/01/2009 17:53:10
Duncan @14:

'Almost the same' is not the same as 'the same' - no matter how much you click your heels and close your eyes.

Labour lost the popular vote and the ballot to the SNP.

But what all this as to do with your rather bizarre suggestion that the Tories would prop up a Labour-dominated regime in Holyrood is beyond me.

You are simply thrashing about looking for something or someone to project your feelings of frustration and guilt onto and then bash.

If I supported a party which started an illegal war (and justified it with recourse to the most mendacious means), supports nuclear weapons, suppors nuclear power stations, gave us the FSA (and the resultant bankruptcy), brought in a ten pence tax rate to hammer the poor, and has a British nationalist eurosceptic pseudo-Imperialist superiority (really inferiority) complex, then I would feel some of that guilt and frustration too.

I would confront my problems, though.

You could start by admtting you have a problem.
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alanh,

ek 29/01/2009 17:56:50
#17 duncan
and
#18 grahamski

Our govt was willing to compromise, as they did with the town centre renovations( more than nu liebore , north brittian dept , wanted)as well as other parts of the budget.

All we get from you nu liebore drones is that it was up to the govt to bend over backwards to accomidate the opposition parties, even tho you seem clueless( same as most "journalists" on the issue) as to what nu liebore, north brittian dept,actually wanted.

As expected, nu liebore, north britian dept, would not back anything that our govt proposed, even with major concessions to them.
It is the opposition that has acted badly on this by DEMANDING that all their proposals were met without botherring to cost them or say what CUTS would have to be made to pay for them.They still seem to think that they are in power for some obscure reason
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puskas,

East kilbride 29/01/2009 20:15:37
Ian Swanson........... "Bombshell vote has left Swinney reeling".

Don't be silly.
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alanh,

ek 29/01/2009 21:00:01
our govt WILL resign if the budget does not get passed.

As for all your other FALSE outrage........all of it has been started and was better than what the last lot "acheived". I wonder how much we would all be paying for council tax if they had squirmed in?
As a minority govt they cant help if the unionist allience gang up to vote for the white elephant of trams in edinburgh, but you already knew that
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Gtj,

29/01/2009 21:59:24
"The budget defeat is the most serious setback yet for Mr Salmond since the SNP came to power in May 2007." -

I don't know if we are on the same planet. This outcome has only strengthened the SNP position. This is a lose lose situation for Labour, and yet again they have been left with egg on their face.
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senza nome,

30/01/2009 02:05:05
#27.Ian Swanson isn't responsible for the headline.That will have been added later by a sub-editor.
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

30/01/2009 09:43:36
#30 Actually it's laughable that the SNP and their vocal support have chosen to blame Labour (or "Liebore" or one of the other terribly clever and deeply persuasive epithets they get) for this. Labour's opposition to the budget was known well in advance of the vote, as was the Lib Dem's. The issue was that the SNP didn't expect the Greens to follow through on their threat, and so bluffed and expected Pats Harvie to roll over. It is the SNP's responsibility entirely, and it's clear from what has happened since that they realise this and have changed their tune.

The arrogant, smug smile was wiped from Salmond's face on Wednesday.

 

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