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Published Date:
11 May 2007
THE SNP and the Greens were today expected to reach a deal at Holyrood ahead of Alex Salmond becoming First Minister in a minority government.
The agreement will stop short of a formal coalition, but the Greens will promise to back the Scottish Nationalists in votes of confidence and help get their budgets passed by parliament.

The arrangement will still leave the SNP well short of an overall majority. The Nationalists have 47 MSPs in the 129-seat parliament - just one more than Labour - and the Greens have two.

But the Lib Dems - whose 16 seats could make the difference - have refused to enter any discussions while the SNP remains committed to an independence referendum.

But an SNP insider said: "With tight parliamentary arithmetic, even a couple of extra votes can be crucial at times."

The deal is not expected to include an agreed programme for government, as previous Labour-Lib Dem coalitions did.

But the SNP is understood to have strengthened its commitments on carbon reduction targets and resisting any new nuclear power stations in Scotland.

The formal talks between the two parties began at St Andrew's House on Monday after a weekend of informal discussions on the phone.

The first session included Mr Salmond as SNP leader and Green co-leaders Robin Harper and Shiona Baird. But subsequent discussions have been led by SNP finance spokesman John Swinney and Greens MSP Patrick Harvie.

The SNP initially proposed a formal coalition, offering the Greens a ministerial post in charge of energy and the environment. And Nationalist spokesmen said the Greens appeared "increasingly interested" in the idea of full coalition.

But at the end of the first day of talks, when Mr Harper appeared with Mr Salmond on the steps of St Andrew's House, it was clear they were focussing on the Greens' preferred option of "confidence and supply" - the promise to vote with the government on issues of confidence and back the budget.

Differences over transport policies are one of the key reasons why the Greens felt unable to give fuller support to the SNP. The Nationalists are committed to scrapping Edinburgh's trams and building more roads, both of which fly in the face of Green policies.

After a full day of talks on Tuesday, the negotiators took a break for the MSPs' swearing-in ceremony on Wednesday, which allowed them to take soundings from their wider parties.

The talks resumed yesterday and an SNP spokesman described them as "constructive and positive".

The two sides were due back at St Andrew's House today. A Green spokesman said: "We're expecting and hoping to draw things to a conclusion at some point today."

Mr Salmond is expected to be elected as Scotland's new First Minister on Wednesday.

He said his party was now focusing its efforts on running a minority government.

He said: "I'm very excited by the prospect.

"There will be huge challenges if that comes to pass in terms of how to administer government, but there's also huge opportunities, particularly in building a consensus parliament - in looking for support across a range of policies.

"It will make life interesting for the government and make life very exciting for the Parliament."

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  • Last Updated: 11 May 2007 10:30 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Holyrood Elections
 
1

HOLY GRAIL,

11/05/2007 11:54:22

Ban the trams.

2

Ferry Resident,

11/05/2007 11:55:49

Now that Lib Dem councillors have struck deals with the SNP in Edinburgh and in East Lothian it is time for their MSPs to get down off their high horse and negotiate a deal in Holyrood. They claim to be Democrats. Time for them to prove it.

3

chasb72,

Edinburgh 11/05/2007 12:11:54

The EN has got its facts wrong again: the Greens haven't agreed to back the SNP in votes of confidence, or to support the budget. All they've offered is to vote for Alex for 1st minister.
For the real story see http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/6646227.stm

4

lachlan,

11/05/2007 12:12:49

get the trams running

5

Liam,

11/05/2007 12:16:15

The Greens will never again be taken seriously if they agree to prop up an SNP transport 'strategy' which scraps crucial rail and tram projects and endorses more money on the M74 and A9. Harper has been seduced by the ministerial limo - who'd have thought it from a Green, eh?!

6

SunShine,

11/05/2007 12:36:11

The SNP are going to abolish the tolls on the Forth Road Bridge. I wonder what the greens think of that!

7

Party Goer,

Edinburgh 11/05/2007 12:39:30

#2, bang on.

How can any political party turn down the chance to be a part of leading government.

The Lib Dems promised their voters that they'd impliment their manifesto, one which is not too different from the SNP's.

They are doing their voters a huge diservice by not going into coalition with the Nationalist where the'y have more opportunity to make their promises a reality.

They should also back a referendum if they are so sure that the Scots people dont want independence, which would end a nationalist movement for the forseable future.

Short sighted and a diservice to Scotland.

8

Goat Boy,

11/05/2007 13:03:21

"But the SNP is understood to have strengthened its commitments on carbon reduction targets and resisting any new nuclear power stations in Scotland."

Well, that should damage Scotlands ecomony. Another good example of politicians speaking from the heart and not using their brains. The green lap dogs will love this.

Still, Ikea is set to benefit - it does a good line in candles.

9

IC,

Edinburgh 11/05/2007 13:20:42

#2 and #8: The Lib Dems manifesto clearly stated their opposition to a referendum on independence. And to avoid any doubt they were absolutely clear about it when repeatedly asked by the media during the campaign. What part of no do you not understand?

I would reverse the question: if the SNP REALLY want to govern Scotland in its best interests, why can't they drop the referendum (and the majority of Scotland voted against holding a referendum in the election anyway) so they can form a majority government?

10

Doh,

11/05/2007 13:35:01

No word from the ardent greens Ted and Stuart Douglas
- I guess they will be eating their words soon.

Supporting a government that is NOT going to stop the road building, will build the Forth Road Bridge but might scrap the
Trams. Hmm that adds up.

11

williamx,

Delta, Canada 11/05/2007 14:11:00

Give the Greens the Energy Portfolio with responsibility for actually running joint programs with private industry to install wind power and tidal power systems. The Scottish Exchequer to share 50% of profits on the sale of electricity and provide 50% of the start up costs. This should make the Greens happy. Joint ownership of each project should ensure the profits do not get hijacked to another country.

12

watcher,

Edinburgh 11/05/2007 14:11:24

My oh my a very worried look fron Robin Harper. I would be too if I had just sold out to Salmond. I think thats Alex love child coming up the back with the knife.

13

HOLY GRAIL,

11/05/2007 14:44:09

IC your figures bemuse again, ' and the majority of Scotland voted against holding a referendum in the election anyway'


mmmm, dont remember that on the ballot paper

14

Royster,

11/05/2007 14:46:29

Don't they both look healthy?

15

Phyl,

Edinburgh 11/05/2007 14:49:20

#6, #7 and #10

Oh do try to keep up. The agreement the Greens are making explicitly does NOT back all SNP policies, and the Greens will most certainly be free to vote against climate busting projects. Our action in this agreement is just about doing what is best for Scotland and helping to try to create the most stable and progressive government possible, and following the will of the Scottish people who clearly expressed an electoral wish to have a new government.

It never ceases to amaze me how utterly ignorant the die-hard trolls on this board are of the Green Party, its membership and principles. Anyone who has actually taken an unblinkered look would know that it is beyond possibility we would ever roll over on fighting climate change for a bit of power, pomp and circumstance. And the idea of a Green being bought by the chance at a ministerial limo is laughably ironic (or is that moronic?).

Grow up. The people making such comments are most likely party-drone numpties that are just sore at us for showing them up by acting like adults, being progressive, and conducting ourselves in the way the Scottish Parliament was designed for.

16

Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 11/05/2007 15:01:54

We've had no government or council for nearly a fortnight now. My bin bags have still disappeared twice a week. I haven't noticed bands of armed anarchists roaming the streets. Everything seems to be tickity-boo without any of the self-serving, hypocritical barstewards..........

17

Farky,

Edinburgh 11/05/2007 15:03:23

#15 You are incorrect. The election last week was not a referendum whatsoever.

Why should the Lib D's give ground on this issue? The SNP have softened their own stance on this and put forward other suggestions so some common ground can be found. Third question, commission etc...

I think the Lib Dems should at least drop their own pre-condition and enter talks to see if a way forward can be found.

Perhaps if talks were to get started, the SNP might drop their referendum plans? Who knows... I certainly would not expect the SNP to drop them before talks even got underway. After all, it's good to talk....

18

Goat Boy,

11/05/2007 15:18:31

#18 Phyl:

I assume that you are implying that only the Green Party has a sound appreciation of environmental issues and that we (the ‘dim’ public) haven't actually read the Green Party Manifesto (like the one at the side of me at the moment).

May be we simply don't agree with your policies on nuclear power. James Lovelock supports nuclear power (and he's been in the business for quite some time) – he gets my vote every time.

What a dude.

19

Ted,

11/05/2007 16:30:12

Hi Doh, you rang?

The agreement the Greens have made is to back Alex Salmond as First Minister next week, which is if nothing else a basic recognition of the election result, something the Liberals seem unable to do. They may even propose their own laughable Nicol Stephen as First Minister.

The SNP have made some good commitments on climate change, and the two parties have set out some of their (extensive) common ground. I hope they work well together on these in Parliament, make some real progress, and shame those who just took their ball away.

Then, did you read the bit about transport? Where the Greens won't support the SNP's frankly irresponsible transport policies? That's clearly not part of the deal, if you read the article again.

20

Doh,

11/05/2007 17:06:45

#22 Ted

Fine, I hope the greens hold the line, it is a tricky situation no doubt about that.

BTW you dont need to vote for Alex Salmond - just not vote against him.
I think that will be the LibDem position.

I am genuinely sorry that the greens on Edinburgh City Council could not even give qualified support to the new
LibDem/SNP administration.

It is better than the alternative.

21

walter,

11/05/2007 18:53:49

#16
IC your figures bemuse again, ' and the majority of Scotland voted against holding a referendum in the election anyway'


mmmm, dont remember that on the ballot paper

You are right not holding a referendum was not on any ballot paper but then neither was holding a referendum so why are the SNP insisting on doing it.

22

fimo,

11/05/2007 18:58:36

What a dilemma.

The trams should be scrapped. They will cause more congestion in the city, and this will lead to more pollution. The existing road users are already competing for space. The Council’s policy of allowing high density developments all over the place is making matters worse.

The buses MUST be replaced with newer technology. They don't need expensive infrastructure and they can go anywhere in the city. The trams will be limited to the where the track will allow them to go.

As for power generation - we had better start thinking ahead (and real soon). Sadly, sustainable generation is not the answer; it is only part of the answer. I see someone has mentioned James Lovelock's support of nuclear power. I have to admit, I agree with James 100%. We need nuclear energy if we are to support a growing economy.

23

623,

11/05/2007 20:26:17

all it take is Two 4 Other msp form OTHER party to vote for Mr Jack McConnel and he is First minster again!

you never know what the Tories or the Lib dems might do to stop Alex!

24

IainGlasgow,

11/05/2007 21:18:01

#26

If Jack McConnell is re-elected would the last person to leave Scotland please remember to switch off the lights.

25

frodo,

from a Scottish person in Scotland 11/05/2007 21:32:11

All of the rhetoric, criticism, slagging, supposed political insight, character assasination, reader comments etc. will have no effect on what the politicians are doing, or will do; the only way to affect any government is to vote for what you believe in. I voted SNP.

I have voted for other parties in the past, this is the first time for the Scottish National Party; Others have got me nowhere but worse off.......

26

frodo,

frodo. a Scottish person in Scotland 11/05/2007 21:50:28

#24 Walter
"You are right not holding a referendum was not on any ballot paper but then neither was holding a referendum so why are the SNP insisting on doing it."

For your information, the SNP are NOT insisting on doing it. It is the core of the SNP's manifesto (and everyone knows it), and it's not surprising that quite a lot of Scottish people gave them their vote because of it.

Of course, everyone is free to interpret the SNP's direction as they wish, then vote on it.....

27

Rubbersbutnotrulers,

11/05/2007 22:53:21

Salmond pledged to govern Scotland for the benefit of ALL of the people of Scotland.

I recorded his speech as he helicoptered on to the the lawn of the Prestonfield

( nurse, I feel a bit dizzy . . . . helicopter . . . . . . benefit all of the people . . .. . . . . Prestonfield . . . . . . . . . President Blair . . . . . . . . .)

The picture appears to show Robin Harper with A. Salmond holding a gun at his back, whilst wee Nicola carries out a none-too-discreet piles inspection on her love-father.

Yo ho ho.

Loosen up, Johnston Press! The country is changing.

28

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11/05/2007 23:35:36
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29

walter,

11/05/2007 23:52:37

#29 frodo
For your information, the SNP are NOT insisting on doing it. It is the core of the SNP's manifesto (and everyone knows it), and it's not surprising that quite a lot of Scottish people gave them their vote because of it.

So it is in the SNPs manifesto to hold a referendum and it is in the Lib/Dems Labour and Conservatives manifesto not to hold one.
Why should any of the MSPs who represent these parties support the SNP on holding a referendum when the people who voted for them knew they did not intend to either hold one or support one.
Are you suggesting that the 79 MSPs who promised not to hold a referendum should now ignore the 2/3 of the Scottish people who voted for them and agree to hold one because 47 MSPs support it.

30

"Suck"-=-McCrunchie,

Searching for a land of competence!!! 12/05/2007 03:44:14

Salmond appears to have invested his new salary heavily in pies.

31

Jockyw,

12/05/2007 08:38:23

Great news, after 23 years Labour are out. Very exciting times. Lets see if this new venture can do any better.
Still annoyed at the Labour golden handshakes with some getting as much as £330,000? All for losing their seats. What ever happened to work performance. Not many private workers get such a great deal when they fail in their job.

32

Worried Scot,

12/05/2007 10:38:45

While I am not a fan of nuclear power (if we could find a way to live without it I would happily support that) however I would like to know how Messrs Salmond and Harper intend to power the country in the future?

While money should be invested in developing renewable energies (such as wind, water, solar etc) these are not yet at a stage where they can be used widely.

A scientist friend recently travelled to Orkney to visit the research facilities for renewable energies to be told that, although these have potential, they are a long way from being all that useful yet.

Therefore, without nuclear power, where is our energy going to come from?


 

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