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Published Date: 19 November 2008
FIRST they came under fire for splashing out on glitzy staff parties while awaiting Government handouts.
Now the Royal Bank of Scotland and HBoS are being accused of wasting thousands of pounds by cancelling events at the last minute.

Hotel sources say that the banks are liable for 100 per cent of the costs of many of the events they have cancelled in recent days.

They say that the two Edinburgh-based companies are calling off pre-arranged parties only because they fear a public backlash about spending – but they're not actually saving any money.

It is understood that RBS has cancelled another Christmas party for more than 100 people, which was due to take place at the Roxburghe Hotel.

Yet as the bank only called off the November 27 party at the end of last week, it will still face a bill of around £7000 for the event, which was also to include accommodation for around 20 staff based outside Edinburgh.

One hotel source said today: "They are cancelling these parties because it looks like they are being the ultimate Scrooge to save money, which looks good in the current climate.

"In most cases they are cancelling them because they fear the public backlash, yet they are still going to have to pay.

"Anybody who cancels faces a cancellation charge and, this late in the day, it will be 100 per cent for most hotels."

Details of a number of glitzy bank parties have emerged in the last fortnight, with the spending causing outrage at a time when both RBS and HBoS are being rescued by an injection of Government funds.

It was revealed last week that a £1 million budget has been set aside for RBS Christmas parties, with each employee allowed £10-per-head. HBoS said it allowed a "modest" amount on a departmental basis.

A spokesman for the Edinburgh Principal Hotels Association said: "Christmas bookings are inevitably going to be prepaid and will have cancellation terms.

"It is the same as when people cancel bedrooms. The hotels need to be able to forecast what stock they need and arrange staffing.

"The big companies like RBS and HBoS are spending less and that is affecting all industries."

A spokeswoman for RBS said: "We are, as you would expect, re-assessing some planned events, which includes cancelling those that are not appropriate in the current environment."

SNP MSP Alex Neil, a member of the Scottish Parliament's finance committee, said: "The directors should be treating their staff out of their own bonuses."

Nobody at the Roxburghe Hotel was willing to comment on the November 27 event.


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1

Grumpy,

19/11/2008 12:06:44
Damned if they do, and damned if they don't. Just what are RBS and HBOS expected to do? Not turn up and not bother to pay for the inconvenience?

Yet another attempt by EEN to stir things up - please note that RBS and HBOS need your help and support not your condemnation just to create a few headlines.
2

JulesF,

Kirkliston 19/11/2008 12:10:51
I have to agree, unless this is a double-bluff then the Parties should go ahead.
3

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19/11/2008 12:22:42
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4

Amenemhat,

19/11/2008 12:30:13
Still no news about scotsman parties being scrapped despite dropping sales figures
5

Skip McClendon,

19/11/2008 12:32:49
Keep the parties going, but run a ballot with winning members of the public getting to go (since they are paying for it all anyway)...
6

Concerned Colleague,

Edinburgh 19/11/2008 12:41:24
Perhaps it is only Scotsman journalists and the unemployed (sorry, jobseekers) who believe a Christmas party is a lavish and unnecessary expenditure. Fair dos, spending £50 is unnecessary but this argument is over £10 a head!

The biggest loss of all this will be a large decline staff morale resulting in poorer staff performance, a dip in attitudes towards customer service which then results in lost custom. And what does that mean? Even less money in an ailing bank!

Lets not forget the lost revenue from the venues, adding to the current 'deflation' the country is experiencing.

Let this one go EEN, it is for the best.
7

Nettie,

Edinburgh 19/11/2008 12:44:30
Yes, the Staff Xmas Parties should go ahead.
I can't understadn why the Government is bailing these people out anyway - they are not in the red - their profits are only down over the same period last year - they are not likely to go bankrupt. I think everyone needs to step back and get some perspective here. These big institutions think it dire when their profits drop below a certain margin.
8

FC Barcelona,

19/11/2008 12:44:55
what a nerve the een has now reporting this story, the een has hounded the banks NOT to go ahead with their partys, now that theyve cancelled and lost their money the een wants to have another go at them !! p8ss poor journalism
9

Evil McKeevil,

19/11/2008 12:45:36
Jeezo, why dont they cut free water to staff aswell ! Why do the EEN feel the incessant need to keep this bandwagon going?!? You're on a par with the Daily Star for non-essential stories these days !!
10

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

19/11/2008 12:48:35
They should donate the parties to taxpayers, to thank them for their help.
11

Finbarr Saunders,

19/11/2008 12:49:02
On the plus side, companies who haven't yet organised their Christmas parties are now spoilt for choice!
12

KGD,

EDINBURGH 19/11/2008 13:03:45
#6, I agree entirely. The vast majority of the people who were due to attend these parties have no influence in decisions made by the executive boards at both RBS and HBOS. The "staff" at many of these organisations have a very limited part to play in the decline of these institutions over the last 6 months or so and to penalise these individuals by cancelling the christmas party is just nonsense. Ridiculous headline grabbing stories like this just confuse the general public and create unecessary bad feeling. Our local paper should be trying to support them through these tough times. What's next - scandal as it is revealed that Bank staff get free heat and lighting in their office ?
13

Misc 1,

19/11/2008 13:03:49
As with all other comments they are in a no win situation. This type of news is going to have a direct impact on hotels/restaurants where large companies will not be making large or small bookings with the fear of being exposed in the press, regardless if the company or the individuals are footing the bill.
14

BuddieWiser,

Penicuik 19/11/2008 13:06:48
Compared to councils & governments the banks are rank amateurs at wasting money. Typical misinformed, out of context, cant-see-the-wood-for-the-trees EEN story. It really shows how terrified the big banks are about their public perception; corporate paranoia has reached new heights at RBS (i know coz I work there..)
15

macdowall,

19/11/2008 13:29:03
You guys at the EEN are the worst. You'd damn them if that had a party and you'd damn them if they don't. Don' expect me to sign any petition to save you if Johnson Press pull the plug on the EEN. In my opinion I don't think that you are worth while saving!

16

Andy G Edi,

19/11/2008 13:31:44
First of all lets get one thing straight;
"while awaiting Government handouts"
All money that RBS will receive from the share option sale to the government will have to be paid back, so its hardly a handout - way to over sensationalise this EEN - your coverage of these stories is something I would expect from the gutter press!

#16 I take it you have never worked in a large organisation before? Its hardly fair to blame a bank teller for decisions made way up the management tree and for the states of the Worlds economy, because unless Im mistaken thats what your saying.
17

Voice of reason,

EDINBURGH 19/11/2008 13:40:26
Wonder if they will be charged an admin fee and how they will react to it ??
18

Niko Bellic,

19/11/2008 13:42:49
I'm going to buy as many shares in RBS as I can afford.
19

John Knox furr First Meenister,

High St, Embra 19/11/2008 13:45:29
Mario... errr... "and the branch staff have actively sold debt to people for the last ten years."
The reddest of herrings old chap. Debt (i.e. overdrafts, loans and mortgages) sold by Branch staff at RBS/Natwest have caused no problems at all! However, RBS also sponsors and administers a number of multi-seller asset-backed commercial paper conduits and following the bankruptcy filing by Lehman Brothers in September 2008, there has been a significant deterioration in the term-liquidity for this paper, typically with only overnight issuance being
possible, and with RBS needing to fund some of the assets. RBS’s total liquidity exposure to conduits is £40.7 billion. No party for Branch staff then!
20

Look on the Bright side,

19/11/2008 13:47:08
#5 If it's been paid for then surely we can all go in their places, good PR for the companies. As the Government now part own them will it be DJ Broon or Darling doing the disco?
21

Niko Bellic,

19/11/2008 13:47:30
"Ah luv yoo Morag ahm goanny marry oo"

"Donald, stop it."
22

John Knox furr First Meenister,

High St, Embra 19/11/2008 13:48:20
However, as I've said before, Christmas is a religious festival and shouldn't be treated as an excuse to sell crud and get pissed. Well said, Alex Neil!
23

Salvatori,

19/11/2008 13:54:45
What no Christmas party? That's it, I quit.

If the lack of a christmas party will lead to decline in staff morale as stated above by some, then the answer for staff is simple: grow a pair.
24

roadstohell,

19/11/2008 13:59:41
The couple in the picture , will soon be appearing as a cleaner in the cali hotel, (better brush up yer Polish hen), and bloke, he'll be sitting outside wrapped in an auld blanket cadging dosh,(better brush up your Romanian matey) :0)
25

roadstohell,

19/11/2008 14:02:57
stop press

Jonhnston press christmas party cutback

The usual lavish party has been cut back, due to lack of corporate donations.
However, all staff are invited to share a packet of S&V crisps and a half of shandy this year

Ho ho ho
26

Skip McClendon,

19/11/2008 14:07:29
#27

The Johnston press Xmas bash will be a lavish affair.

Tons of free booze for all...mostly the crates unclaimed beer from caption comp winners.
27

Niko Bellic,

19/11/2008 14:15:39
One wonders what kind of memo the staff are receiving by email on a daily basis.

28

I love to eat Sellotape,

19/11/2008 14:36:57
All they know how to do is put together PowerPoint presentations and play Beatles songs on their guitar.
29

Proximo,

19/11/2008 14:46:18
This is outrageous; it's nearly 3pm and neither ccc or any of his sychophants have written the boring housing market comment yet. Or if they have I have been unable to find it so far today, can anyone help?

It's not on; I mean, how long does it take to cut and paste the last comment he wrote anyway, pure laziness...
30

World class concrete,

19/11/2008 14:49:27
Why couldn't the staff have just paid for themselves, or at least contributed? (I've always had to pay for mine!)

31

I love to eat Sellotape,

19/11/2008 14:49:51
They probably only know how to play nippy Beatles songs on their guitar.
32

Gavin L,

edinburgh 19/11/2008 14:59:10

Well done, very well done indeed...What do you expect Edinburgh Evening News and the Scotsman??

If you report negatively about the Bank having Xmas parties for the staff, who didn't make the disasterous financial decisions I must add, and are being slated in every local publication daily, what do you expect?

Then you continue to report negatively on the Banks cancelling these parties you publically slated or (allegedly) reported on recently ...Where do your 'hacks' want this to finish??

Perhaps you could then report negatively on the loss for the Hotels, shops, pubs, caterers, the beggars lack of handouts this Xmas caused by the Bank and their 'spawn-of-the-devil' employees and continue reporting connected trash tabloid headlines for the rest 0f 2008 and well into 2009.

Do you not think the actual staff deserve a break from this and should at least have something positive to read or look forward to this Xmas?

Is there any chance you can report accurately without prejudice and for once do a good job without resorting to sensationalism to sell your papers.
Unless of course the Credit Crunch is affecting your papers sales and your own Christmas party is in jeopardy..!

This is utter tabloid journalism and I know if I was Santa Claus would certainly not be dropping just presents off at your 'hacks' houses this Christmas Eve.

Peace and goodwill to you all especially Michael Blackley...

Merry Xmas to you all!

33

Niko Bellic,

19/11/2008 15:03:10
#36

Gavin, are you charging us £10 for this letter?

34

Gavin L,

edinburgh 19/11/2008 15:16:40
Nico,

You are joking I would charge at least £50 you can't have a decent Xmas party on £10..

..or so I read here previously ;-)
35

Niko Bellic,

19/11/2008 16:01:24
#38

£50 it is then!

-

£4 for starters ot primo piatto

£19 for mains

£4 for desserts/ coffee

Leaves £23 for booze and a taxi home. At edinburgh taxi prices though, that means you'll have only £2 for the booze.

Best make it £70 a head.
36

SPG,

edinburgh 19/11/2008 16:03:50
As we all own the banks everybody should be invited.
37

Steven P,

edinburgh 19/11/2008 16:19:16
Q: What will an RBS/HBOS bank manager say to you at Christmas?
A: Would you like fries with that sir?


38

Cod,

19/11/2008 16:28:03
I once went to Livingston. I regretted it. Although some may say every nation needs a Milton Keynes. Those people are of course inevitably sectioned.
39

Niko Bellic,

19/11/2008 16:32:41
Has anyone noticed how you cab always spot which people work for which financial institution

Worried but trying to remain smug, dressed in grey suit- RBS

Daft, cheap suit, hair cut into a multi-directional mowhawk, talking loudly into a cheap mobile phone - HBoS

Black cape and not much to say - Scotish Widdaz

Sandy/ ginger hair, wears a lot of beige, votes LibDem - Standard Life

40

JulesF,

Kirkliston 19/11/2008 16:34:16
Seriously though, having thought about it, I fail to see why they don't donate these parties to charities or OAPs or other deserving or needy people.

That would actually give them some positive publicity for a change !
41

Steven P,

edinburgh 19/11/2008 16:35:49
A driver on his way home is stuck in traffic.
He winds down his window and asks: 'What's the hold-up?'
A policeman replies: 'The HBOS Board are distraught that they havent got enough cash to save the bank. They have stopped the traffic and are threatening to douse themselves with fuel and set themselves on fire.'
So we're starting a collection for them.'
The driver asks: 'How much have you got so far?'
The policeman replies: 'Plenty of petrol, but we can't find a match.'
42

Brian Ferrari,

19/11/2008 16:59:43
Johnston Press now 6.64p - they've been racing share prices with HBOS and RBS
43

Brian Ferrari,

19/11/2008 17:00:13
And the winner for the biggest share price fall goes to....
44

Brian Ferrari,

19/11/2008 17:00:31
wait for it.....
45

Brian Ferrari,

19/11/2008 17:00:56
let's hear it for JOHNSTON PRESS !!!
46

Brian Ferrari,

19/11/2008 17:06:08
I wonder if the heads of PR at HBOS and RBS know the Aesop Fable about the man travelling with a donkey through various villages and trying to please everyone.

Probably not.
47

Niko Bellic,

19/11/2008 17:14:18
#52

Are you sure that was Aesop and not Borat?
48

andyroo,

South 19/11/2008 17:15:58
Will people be careful challenging the scotsman on what their christmas parties are costing as they remove the articles as unsuitable. I wonder why!!!!!
49

Niko Bellic,

19/11/2008 17:20:57
#54

Essentially because it's off topic. It's not like Johnston Press is a bank.
50

andyroo,

19/11/2008 17:26:14
#55
so what money have you put into the bank then.
51

andyroo,

19/11/2008 17:29:36
#57
No its not a bank but its a private comapny the same
52

Niko Bellic,

19/11/2008 17:30:08
#59

How low can the price go - people will be buying bucketloads of RBS shares over the next 18 months, but JP, and all other newspaper sellers are facing inexorable circulation drop.

The only thing that will save them is to charge £125.20 yearly for access to the website.
53

calum,

19/11/2008 17:34:34
#55 - The medication must be working.
Normally you would want the police to go round to the banks, smash their windows, drag the Banks' staff screaming out through the broken glass, a taste of the gas, a sound beating with police batons, a good ragging by the police dogs and then locked up for 10 years.
My, moderation from GT ....... what is the world coming to?
54

Niko Bellic,

19/11/2008 17:35:50
#61

JP is a private sector company, yes. But it's not getting bailed out by the government.

Party on, Wayne. Party on, Garth. Party on, Sandra from accounts and baldy Gregor from Unit Trusts, who if he gets made redundant will set up a Rugby training academy in Samoa.
55

Finbarr Saunders,

19/11/2008 18:04:02
#55 - Gorgie_Tony - "Since it's my money that has backed these banks - it will be me who decides whether the staff get a party or not."

I was enjoying reading the digs at the banks until I read this from our very own Gorgie "Feral Youth" Tony.

You guys in the RBS or HBOS know what needs to be done!

How many RBS or HBoS bank accounts are held by someone called Tony or Anthony in the Gorgie area?
56

JT,

19/11/2008 18:47:58
#66 Go and play with the traffic on the bypass. The people left in the bankng industry do pay taxes so we are ALL bailing the banks out not just you!!! We have had to pay for our christmas do as every year. If we want to have a christmas lunch we will have to pay for it this year despite the company doing a xmas party for kids and afternoon tea for oap's. Talk about kicking your staff further down when we are working stupid hours and no extra staff. The management do not have a scooby doo on keeping up staff morale. I know of several people who would leave except its soo close to christmas.
57

Niko Bellic,

19/11/2008 19:01:14
#67

"The management do not have a scooby doo on keeping up staff morale."

Has the management style of these companies got worse in the last 12 months?

I don't know why, but I can well imagine they've started indulging in Gestapo tactics so that staff don't speak out about 'morale'.



58

calum,

19/11/2008 19:14:27
#68 - Suffer no more. I'm sure that CC Blooms or Planet Out on which you have commented in the past will know of a "do" on Xmas Day so you won't have to be alone.
Alternatively, there will be arrrangement for older people for Xmas Day including the Gorgie area for you so you don't have to be alone.
59

Mr Fuzzy,

Edinburgh 19/11/2008 19:42:38
Just deduct the 10 pounds from each employees pay packet - problem solved.
60

calum,

19/11/2008 19:47:39
#73 - Why don't you call in at your local Medical Centre, Community Centre etc.. make enquiries. Try Help the Aged, Community Support Charities, Churches etc., I'm confident there will be something within a reasonable distance you could attend.
61

calum,

19/11/2008 22:19:30
#76 - That's as maybe and I am sure there are options for you but one thing's for sure, you aren't going to get out of your chair to find out..... just as you didn't get out of your chair to lodge a formal complaint about the police and your assault by chips ....just as you didn't step forward as a witness to the awful bad driving you described in Dalry Road ......just as..... just as .....
You get the society that your own apathy deserves, GT, and you are more apathetic about others than anyone on these pages. TTFN.
62

Edinburghs only big team,

19/11/2008 22:23:02
My cat could of made a better job of running these 2 banks.

The buffoons should hang their heads in shame...
63

dazza23,

19/11/2008 22:25:17
#16

thats like saying that chip shops are responsable for the price of tatties!!! think of the normal family guy, working as a member of branch staff, getting the hardest time of their life from customers and on top of that not knowing if they will have a job to support their family next week!! it must be their fault the banks in trouble musnt it!! get a life!!! or more methadone!!!!
64

Julian.,

edinburgh 19/11/2008 23:30:11
"A spokesman for the Edinburgh Principal Hotels Association said: "Christmas bookings are inevitably going to be prepaid and will have cancellation terms.

"It is the same as when people cancel bedrooms. The hotels need to be able to forecast what stock they need and arrange staffing"

Err, wait a minute. Since when was it that you had to pay 100% of your room rate when cancelling a month in advance. Any hotel I've ever been to has allowed no penalty cancellations up to 48 hours in advance...or are the hotels just different from the rest. Can anyone shed any light on this?
65

Top_Dawg,

19/11/2008 23:37:45
The parties should not be canceled but the banks should see common sense and not be so lavish with our money. EEN cr*p story.
66

Julian.,

edinburgh 19/11/2008 23:38:19
Here's a quote from the booking website.

"Most of the rates featured on the Macdonald Website may be cancelled without charge up to 2pm on the day of arrival"

So anonymous source, whoever you are, when people cancel bedrooms, as a general rule they pay nothing. So how can that be the same as receiving no refund?
67

COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 20/11/2008 00:07:38
banks.are.nothing.but.waste.off.time.and.money
68

COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 20/11/2008 00:11:30
you.can.bet.the.top.brass..are.all.smiling/thiefs
69

disgruntled employee,

lovel park 20/11/2008 11:47:01
It is a disgrace that parties are being cancelled. It is not enough that staff are already feeling low what with the prospect of possible job losses ...no, staff morale has had to take yet another kick in the teeth by the latest news that "no Christmas parties" will be going ahead!!

So much for BAU (business as usual)!!!!
70

Robert Kilroy-Silk,

Leeds 20/11/2008 13:01:01
Hi,

Following on from what #86 said, I think it's a shame that colleagues aren't even allowed to organise their own parties, which would be ticketed, and thus funded by the staff members themselves. I'm all for completely cutting down on Corporate based extravagances, but I think the press are now using this all as some tool of 'revenge' on behalf of customers, and the victims are just regular people with a day job (for now).

If staff members at banks are being stopped from enjoying christmas with their peers, then hey... let's cancel it for everyone.
71

Biffa Bacon,

Edinburgh 23/11/2008 14:27:55
I totally agree with HBOS and RBS canceling Christmas parties. The backlash is simply not worth it and "bank" seems to be a dirty word at the moment. For all the people who are jumping on the "my taxes pay your salary" bandwagon you really need to wake up and smell what you are shoveling. The government has provided the banks with LOANS....read it again LOANS. This means the money has to be paid back. How are the banks going to pay the money back? Well, the free banking everyone has grown used to will have to change, that much is certain. Everyone has now witnessed the end of free banking as we know it. Providing the banks with loans is far better than staff being forced onto the dole and claiming JSA which would not be paid back. It is about time people started paying to use a bank, banks are not charitable organisations not are they there to provide services to the community. They exist for one sole purpose and that is to make money. If you want someone who works in a bank to be grateful to you because part of your tax payments will be used to help keep them afloat think again. If the Royalmail or council workers had their Christmas parties canceled they would be out on strike in a heartbeat. So when you visit your local branch to get your money out this Christmas be thankful to the branch staff who are serving you because unlike others they will be there to serve you despite the threat of losing their jobs hanging over them.
72

Hombre,

Tertiary Office, Espana 29/11/2008 10:07:47
I reckon everyone gets a Christmas party in both banks if they can answer one simple question: "Who's birthday are they celebrating?" ;))

 

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Should banks put a stop to junkets for staff given the current economic climate?
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