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Published Date: 16 September 2008
THEY have come under fire amid claims they are invading privacy by photographing everything in sight.
But it seems those behind the Google Streetmap project are less than keen on being pictured themselves, apparently fearing reprisals from angry locals.

Several cars were spotted by the Evening News preparing to hit the streets of the Capital at a disused garage site in Drum Brae South yesterday.

When our photographer began to capture the teams setting up the roof-mounted cameras, he was threatened with legal action.

Photographer Ian Georgeson said: "I was standing on public ground taking photos of the cars when one of the drivers came over and said that they didn't want us to print their faces.

"He said if I used any shots of him they would sue us, because they were concerned about reprisals.

"He admitted they were a bit concerned about the way people would react to the cameras, but said they would be in Edinburgh for a couple of months at least trying to map the city."

The Google cameras take 360-degree views of streets to be used in Street View – an innovative online mapping system offering virtual city tours.

The cars have been spotted travelling around the city's streets, taking pictures of everything from shopfronts and monuments to shoppers out on the street and residents in their gardens.

The mapping has continued despite the concerns of human rights groups about the possible invasion of privacy, with Google saying only that it would blur the faces of any individuals captured on camera.

The five cars, and an associated technical support van, were spotted yesterday morning having the specialist cameras fitted to the roof. It is understood a team of technicians had been flown in from America to fit and maintain the specialist equipment.

Edinburgh is expected to be one of the first cities in the UK to be featured on Street View, with Google planning to launch the service in the UK later this year.

Privacy International complained to the UK Information Commissioner regarding the new service's alleged potential to breach UK data protection laws after American citizens complained.

UK civil liberties group No2ID spokesman Guy Herbert said: "That is an extraordinary situation, but it does seem to be the case that while large organisations, traditionally the police or councils, are happy to photograph the public, they are less keen on being photographed themselves.

"It would be interesting to see just what legal grounds they think they have to stop their picture being used that wouldn't also apply to the pictures they are taking, and I think they would be on pretty treacherous ground."

A spokeswoman for Google said it had no problem with the cars being photographed, but admitted it did not want staff to be hindered in any way.

She said: "We are happy for people to take pictures of the cars – they are clearly identified as working for Google. We would not want our staff to be in any way stopped from doing their job, however."

The spokeswoman added that she was unaware of any complaints from Edinburgh residents about the cars.


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  • Last Updated: 16 September 2008 11:18 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Google
 
1

Jenny MacArthur,

16/09/2008 11:41:19
What's their slogan? "Don't be evil"! Yet they are setting up the biggest privacy intrusion exercise in history. Oh, I forgot... it's just about making money. That's okay then.
2

Anth,

Edinburgh 16/09/2008 11:49:32
And while we're about stopping invasion of privacy, I want planes to stop flying over my house and tourists to stop taking photos and posting them on Flickr.

Good grief, what a fuss about nothing. I suggest the 'Human Rights Groups' think about targeting some more genuine and worrying breaches of human rights.
3

Jenny McArthur,

edinburgh 16/09/2008 12:05:37
ahh do talk a lot of tripe dont i.
4

john3,

16/09/2008 12:23:48
If what they give us afterwards is as good as Google Earth keep going and wear masks.
5

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 16/09/2008 12:24:04
Have people really not got anything better to concern themselves with?

For christs sake. If you want to protest about intrusions of privacy and wish to stand up for your right, start directing your attentions at government money-making devices like speed cameras or un-neccesary intrusive, degrading measures like over-the-top airport security.

Jezus Christ! Get a grip!
6

john3,

16/09/2008 12:24:19
Better than masks would be to borrow Ant & Dec's makeup artist.
7

David Harrington,

Edinburgh 16/09/2008 12:27:19
Trust the EN to stir up trouble again with this non-issue. EN photographers know the exact situation when it comes to taking pictures in public, so if what they say is true they could just have ignored their statements like any other sensible person would have. I trust nobody complaining about this "invasion of privacy" (in a public area) will use Google's service when it becomes available, e.g. to research an area before buying a house, to see what it is like before they go on holiday (or one of the other numerous uses for this information one can think of). Modern day luddites - that's all you are.
8

David Harrington,

Edinburgh 16/09/2008 12:29:10
#6 The difference is breaking the speed limit is against the law - Google are not doing anything illegal whereas you are encouraging people to break the law.
9

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16/09/2008 12:34:31
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16/09/2008 12:35:34
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subrosa,

16/09/2008 12:38:24
Surely this is against the Human Rights Act? It does worry me. I live in a rural area and to have my home put on the internet in such detail would make it a superb target for thieves. Although I have done everything to protect it ie alarms and lights, neighbours are sparse and that would be perfectly obvious.

No I don't like this in the least and can fully understand the protest groups.
12

Zugspitze,

16/09/2008 12:39:23
GMA, are you being a cheeky laddie yet again?
13

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16/09/2008 12:41:34
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mystic,

Edinburgh 16/09/2008 12:46:49
Totally inappropriate time to undertake this project from google because of all the road works and diversions. They would have to map it again in a couple of years time. Waste of money.
15

Edinburgh 100,

Musselburgh 16/09/2008 12:51:40
#13,

Your house will be on an ordanance survey map. Your house will also be on satelite photos, no doubt if you bought your house recently photos were taken and it was advertised in local press and estate agents. People driving past your house will be able to see it people walking past it will also be able to see it. Landscape artists probably have painted it, countryside photographers have probably photographed it. Do you get what i am say the information is already available. If someone wants to break into your house they will do it whether it is on Google or not.
16

Cynicaltalk,

16/09/2008 12:58:57
#6

'Over the top airport security'

Quite. How DARE they try to prevent people blowing up airliners and causung death on an unimaginable scale! I demand my right to take whatever i want on board an aircraft! I don't care if it allows an extremist the opportunity to blow people to smithereens, i demand my Volvic!

Or maybe not.......
17

Cynicaltalk,

16/09/2008 13:00:09
#13

All people have to do is drive past your house and they can gain the same information.
18

Hmm ...,

16/09/2008 13:08:26
... Genuine (17) said "It was on the Dutch news about an hour ago. It mentioned something about a tiger for sure. Is there anything on Radio Froth ?"

They have probably suppressed it on local news to prevent people flocking to the area to see the Tiger! LOL.
19

Iknockon doors,

edinburgh 16/09/2008 13:13:11
I bet the guys are on the rock n roll, how about the dhss doing a check ?
20

Khartoum Colin,

Port au Prince 16/09/2008 13:15:04
I'm sure I saw one of the cars running around Penicuik 4-5 weeks ago. A black Vauxhall Astra with a periscope on the roof.
21

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16/09/2008 13:15:11
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Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 16/09/2008 13:28:54
#9:

Being in favour of scrapping the money-making (and death causing) speed cameras is not encouraging people to break the law. I don't know where you get that idea from...

#22:

"Airport security" is all for show. You don't catch terrorists or deter them by imposing restrictions like they have. If they are worth even a little bit of salt, they will find a way to circumvent measures like that, probably with considerable ease.

Profiling and intelligence are amongst the only things that work against terrorists or potential terrorists. Demeaning and insulting the general public does not.

Your point about the volvic water is actually quite valid. Volvic water is not an explosive so why the hell should you not be allowed to take it aboard an aircraft? If you wished to take some nitro-glycerine with you into the cabin, I would fully support any attempt to stop you doing so, however, mineral water is not capable of damaging anything and therefore I am totally against restrictions in that area.

It's the same old principle that we have known since stupid labour have been in power. Use the sledgehammer, catch-all approach to supposedly "deal" with a problem and to hell with the inconvenience and humiliation it causes to innocent people.

Only their sledghammer, catch-all approach doesn't work because you still get "climate-change-anti-everything" morons breaking into the air side and putting stupid banners on planes. If they can't stop a bunch of uneducated fools like that, how on earth do they expect to be able to counter intelligent, highly trained terrorists?
23

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 16/09/2008 14:01:52

No Canonmills tiger, but the second hand book shop at Canonmills is owned by a family of alsations. I've seen them at the Tesco 'reduced goods' shelf buying bashed tins of Chappie and Pedigree Chum.
24

Agent 99,

16/09/2008 14:51:55
[30] Gas heid:
"If you wished to take some nitro-glycerine with you into the cabin..."

You can. Simple as that.

Nitro Glycerine 2% is a pharmaceutical salve used for, amongst other things, treatment of rectal fissures. It's a perfectly legitimate prescription medicine.

Causes a wee bit of discussion with the security crew at Edin airport tho...
25

Map Guy,

Canada 16/09/2008 14:52:09
Well, at least Google is using their good cameras over there. Take a look at this French Bride caught using the new Google Street View camera:

http://streetviewgallery.corank.com
26

Cynicaltalk,

16/09/2008 15:28:35
#30

I disagree. How do you know that restrictions at airports have not deterred any terror threats? Do you work for the SIS?

If they can bypass such restrictions with ease, why have there been no terror attacks on airside targets and passengers?

Profiling and intelligence are vital, but not the be all and end all of anti terror operations. You still need a final 'net' to deter groups who slip under the radar. How can you profile a terrorist, when Richard Reid (shoe bomber) did not fit the typical 'terrorist' profile. Women in Burka's with children, as well as people with special needs, have all been used as mules for terror attempts. How can you profile them?

The point on Volvic is that, fair enough - it contains water, but anyone can empty a bottle and replace the contents. And who knows what with?

But i agree about environmental campaigners being numpties.
27

aurorablue,

16/09/2008 15:58:43
#13 I get what you are saying. It could prove to be a useful tool for theives. I just don't understand what the need for mapping everything is!
28

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 16/09/2008 16:06:42

Ian Georgeson - I've no been allowed to take my photies, sniff, sob CALL A WAAAAMBULANCE
29

Agent Orange,

Edinburgh 16/09/2008 16:11:53
Don't know about a Tiger, but spotted a Kossack dancer and a unicorn.

http://www.go360edinburgh.co.uk/qtvr/launchqtvrpano.htm?Stockbridge%20Market?http://www.indiatango.co.uk/qtvr/assets/Stockbridge%20Market.mov?med?none?fitwindow


Don't know why I ever moved away !
30

Council Insider,

Council HQ 16/09/2008 16:20:27
# 21 Is Volvic water not from volcanoes which can erupt. Surely then you shouldn't be allowed to take it on a plane.
31

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16/09/2008 16:36:42
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Alberto.,

16/09/2008 16:44:55
# 37.

Beware - Sign of the times preparing for the EU take-over, in everything and everyone!

Remeber 1930 and all that - but a definite little Hitlerland is about to descend upon us again if we don't wztch it!

This time it could be worse as it obviously come with the blessing and deliberate intention of a shameful elected British home grown Government!

Be aware! - and BEWARE!

The apathy of the electorate, and the power the politicians have bestowed upon themselves is their winning hand!

Lest we Forget!!!!!- again!
33

Kevin Edinburgh,

Edinburgh 16/09/2008 17:29:06
http://www.go360edinburgh.co.uk

Are happy to be photographed!
34

The Geniune Mario Antionette,

16/09/2008 18:18:17
#27 - it was a submarine you saw. I saw it as well, submerged in John Street - its the heavy rain you know.
35

The Geniune Mario Antionette,

16/09/2008 18:22:22
#44 - it wasn't a tiger, it was a jogger dressed as a tiger in a pre charity run. I saw it as well. No point trying to hide the truth.
36

Woody47,

16/09/2008 18:40:08
What a fuss over nothing.
37

BamberGaspipe,

Edinburgh 16/09/2008 18:52:19
Google " a lot of P4sh" and see if it leads to this article !!!!!!
38

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16/09/2008 19:55:13
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googler,

16/09/2008 21:28:53
13 - go to maps.live.com , type in your postcode, select 'aerial' and zoom in as far as it will let you.

Now tell us if phrase 'shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted' has any resonance for you......?
40

Richard Lewis,

Little Rock, Arkansas, USA 17/09/2008 02:00:03
You folks seem so sweet and happy. But to raise a stink about Google Earth doing their thing is just STUPID. G.Earth has been around a while - and although few really ever use it - I love it. It is Impossible to pick out a face, license plate, etc. And who on Google Earth would Care if they saw a face. It's just silly and hogwash. And for the Google Earth people to worry about their faces - Like = Who Cares? It's like plumbers or electricians work. No body cares who they are any more that I care who You are - when I'm searching a listing on Google Earth.
Silly Yanks you have over there.
41

.hwinfo,

40.7286N, 73.9895W 17/09/2008 04:36:32
It's perfectly fine to photograph public things from public places, which is what Street View does. Even so, you can't point a zoom lens at someone's window, photograph them inside their house, etc, even if you're on a public street - that's invasion of privacy, because in your house you have an expectation of privacy. In this private lot, the drivers clearly had an expectation of privacy, which this photographer violated. I feel Google would be on some fairly solid ground claiming they're OK while this photographer is not - the legal line is clear. Google is on one side, and this photographer is on the other.

Also, all the driver asked was that the photographer not publish their faces - the pictures he was even OK with (see about a month ago, a UK Google driver allowed a photographer detailed access to the car, given he wasn't in any of the pictures. Not sure what happened there). So, it's not unreasonable to ask that the people not be personally identifiable in the pictures. Google blurs out faces and license plates for privacy reasons. All they asked was that this photographer do the same.
42

jockdoonunder,

Sydney, Oz 17/09/2008 05:06:15
How about a lovely scene of the Sydney Opera House and the Harbour Bridge?

http://maps.google.com.au/maps?hl=en&tab=wl
43

Nectar,

Leaf 17/09/2008 13:30:01
If you think that Google Street View isn't a problem, try reading this:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/08/01/nlpc_outs_larry_page

Here's a taster:
"In an effort to prove that Google is a serious threat to the personal privacy of people everywhere, the National Legal and Policy Center has exposed countless Google Street View pics that detail what are likely the home, cars, and daily commute of top Google executive Larry Page.

Responding to Google's addled defense of Street View in an ongoing Pennsylvania court case, the privacy watchdog just unleashed a seven-page PDF that hoists Larry Page by his own petard - without actually mentioning the name Larry Page.

Compiled in "less than 30 minutes," the report reproduces Google Street View photos that appear to reveal Larry Page's cars, Larry Page's license plates, the name of the landscaping company Larry Page uses, the name of the home security company used by Larry Page's next door neighbor, the distance from the street to Larry Page's front door, and Larry Page's likely driving route to Google's Mountain View headquarters."

 

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