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Published Date: 22 August 2008
ALEX SALMOND was today embroiled in a new planning controversy after he sent a letter supporting Forth Ports' plans for a massive development at Leith Docks.
In a letter circulated to councillors, the First Minister said he looked forward to seeing the company's project completed.

Today he was accused of having "trumped" the council's planning committee, which will next week consider an application – t
he biggest ever to come before the authority – for more than 15,000 homes, four schools, new sports facilities, shops and offices in and around the docks area.

The proposals, which constitute the largest part of Edinburgh's overall waterfront development, are being recommended by officials for approval despite some concerns, but they will have to go to ministers for the final decision.

Mr Salmond's letter, addressed to Forth Ports chief executive Charles Hammond after a visit to the site, said: "As you know, I was very impressed by your plans for the area and the work which has already been undertaken. Our boat trip provided an excellent vantage point, and I look forward to seeing the project completed."

Leith Labour councillor Gordon Munro said: "It sounds like the First Minister has trumped the planning committee.

"As head of the body which is the final arbiter on the application, this is an unusual declaration of support for proposals yet to be decided by the planning committee never mind the Scottish Government."

The row follows concerns over Mr Salmond's personal intervention in Donald Trump's £1 billion golf resort application in Aberdeenshire, which led to claims he had compromised Scotland's planning system.

A committee of MSPs said the First Minister had shown "exceptionally poor judgement" over the plans, but Mr Salmond has always insisted his involvement was in his role as MSP for the area.

Edinburgh Pentlands Tory MSP David McLetchie said Mr Salmond might have been better advised not to comment on Forth Ports' plans at this stage.

He said: "It is another example of the First Minister treading on dangerous waters.

"Generally speaking, it is not prudent for any government minister to comment on planning applications until the process is completed. Alex Salmond might have been better advised to hold his tongue until then."

The Leith Docks plans would create thousands of jobs, generate billions of pounds of investment and make Edinburgh's waterfront a "world-class" destination over the next 20-30 years, but concerns have been voiced over the impact on the environment.

Lothians Green MSP Robin Harper said it was "odd" and "out of place" for Mr Salmond to comment at this stage.

He said: "Obviously when a scheme is approved, it is appropriate for a First Minister to say he is delighted it has got to that point, but for him to intervene at this stage is a little bit previous."

A spokeswoman for Mr Salmond insisted his comments were "perfectly normal and entirely appropriate".

She said: "Restrictions on public comment apply only to the planning minister or ministers engaged in the planning process while the application is before ministers."

Planning convener Jim Lowrie admitted Mr Salmond's letter was "unusual". But he said: "I don't think he was endorsing the actual plan."





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  • Last Updated: 22 August 2008 1:30 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Forth Ports
 
1

Alastair the First,

22/08/2008 12:00:07
"The Leith Docks plans would create thousands of jobs, generate billions of pounds of investment and make Edinburgh's waterfront a "world class" destination over the next 20-30 years."

So Alex Salmond is being condemned for encouraging the creation of thousands of jobs and other inward investment? Certain people who are not supporters of the SNP government wouldn't have their own personal agendas in this non-story, would they?
2

Arfur,

22/08/2008 12:12:02
FFS - every man and their dog knows this is going through. It is the largest development since the new town and has had next to no objections.
3

Russell339,

Edinburgh 22/08/2008 12:19:08
#1 I think you miss the point. Alex Salmond should remain neutral on local planning issues until a planning committe hearing is completed, and a decision granted. His input could influence any discussions and ultimately the decision could be taken with political motive, rather than on the merits of the actual proposal.

Albeit this is a non-story, but it suffices to further indicate that Alex Salmond is a poor First Minister, and has no idea how to behave himself in the public eye. Any chance to link himself with the creation of jobs and investment, he's first in line, despite this project predating his tennure.
4

Mikey,

22/08/2008 12:23:49
So the country's leader should have no opinion on development within the country? What a weird idea you have of putting Scotland first. Too long listening to onionists, I think.....
5

Buttress,

22/08/2008 12:29:06
This the Planning Convenor Coun Jim Lowrie who commented on Caltongate in this paper long before it came before the planning committee?

But of course he was cleared of any wrongdoing... and not actually endorsing the plan by saying something along the lines of the sooner it was built the better...

www.eh8.org.uk

6

Linda,

Edinburgh 22/08/2008 12:31:42
Restrictions on public comment apply only to the planning minister or ministers engaged in the planning process while the application is before ministers.

Do those who criticise the First Minister oppose the development or are they just trying to score political debating points?
7

Alan B,

22/08/2008 12:32:37
#Russell339

I think you are also missing the wider point.

One of the big recommendations by the economics panel Salmond set up said that one of the biggest problems and obstacle scotland had in relation to economic growth was the bueacratic and very slow planning process in Scotland.

We all know that scotlands economic growth has been poor and needs addressed. As such we have to ask what we can do to address this planning issue.

Even if we look at the Trump issue. One way or the other a decision really should have been made. It is faintly ridiculous it takes so long.

The 3 questions we have to address are:
-what is a reasonable period that planning issues should be decided. I would have thought no more than 2 months.
-how can we have a consistent process
-where should the balance lie in approving or regulating these issues.

I have no idea whether the trump plan is good or not and do not live in that part of scotland. But it seemed ridiculous that the plan had overwhelming local support, support of the overall council, support of all the major parties but was rejected by a casting vote by a guy playing god.

8

Buttress,

22/08/2008 12:37:00
Isn't this one of the developments UNESCO has been invited to come and see (by Historic Scotland) as it's worried that it the towers proposed will spoil the skyline?

9

Buttress,

22/08/2008 12:38:25
"I have no idea whether the trump plan is good or not and do not live in that part of scotland. But it seemed ridiculous that the plan had overwhelming local support, support of the overall council, support of all the major parties but was rejected by a casting vote by a guy playing god."


You have no idea at all have you?

It wasn't the planning committee and it wasn't 'one guy playing god'. Do some research.
10

Alan B,

22/08/2008 12:54:41
#9 Buttress

What are you talking about? Insult but do not come up with any intelligent response.

As I said I do not a strong opion either way on that developement as I do not live in that area.

But the facts seemed to be:
1)the public in the area are pro the trump project (do you reject that)
2)the council are reported for this project (do you reject that)
3)all the major parties labour, lib dems, tories and snp are for the project. (do you reject that)

The project was rejected by the planning committe for that council with the chair rejecting on a casting vote.

So what exactly I have I got it wrong.
11

Mallory,

Edinburgh 22/08/2008 12:54:52
Scotland's poor economic growth will not be reversed by cramming loads of folk into boxes of cheaply built flats by Leith docks. Saving the skins of gambling developers and the retention of some building jobs perhaps.

Scotland should place less reliance on building buy-to-let properties for an ever growing public sector workforce along with five star luxury hotels for international property companies. Doing so might free up some investment to rekindle real skills to create industries using wave power and clean coal technology.

Or are Scots to rely on low-skilled call-centre and bar work?

12

Alan B,

22/08/2008 12:55:38
sorry for the typos
13

Alan B,

22/08/2008 13:03:25
#Mallory

So do you reject the advice by that panel of economic experts that Scotlands slow planning system hinders Scotlands growth.

Even in UK wide the number of years it took for heathrow terminals and runways is ridiculous.

"cramming loads of folk into boxes of cheaply built flats by Leith docks"
There are 2 points to that.
1)Does Edinburgh need more properties for people to live in. Given the high prices in Edinburgh i would have thought there is a need for more supply without ruining beauty of the city. Leith seems a good place to build more appartments to satisfy this demand.

2)Is the quality poor. I would agree that the quality of some expensive flats could be alot better. Building quality seems poor.

"Or are Scots to rely on low-skilled call-centre and bar work?"
Exactly why we need more economic growth. It is by having a slow growing economy that we end up with a lack of quality jobs.
14

Buttress,

22/08/2008 13:06:03
Alan B - research research research... and as far as casting votes go, they actually are cast when there isn't a clear majority (so hey not all were in favour...) and the casting vote, as is the norm, maintains the status quo.

But do read up. It's far, far more complex than that.
15

Alan B,

22/08/2008 13:10:51
#Mallory

"Scotland should place less reliance on building buy-to-let properties"
You have 3 options
1)owner occupied
2)private rental
3)government owned/council/housing association housing

I really do not know how you expect to do without the private rental section. Not everyone can buy or wants to buy, particularly for a good few yrs after leaving education. As someone who rented for years after graduating before buying more recently, it would have been dreadful not to be able to rent (and move regualarly). We need a flexible labour market and mobility of where you live plays a big role.

"for an ever growing public sector workforce"
Agree

"along with five star luxury hotels for international property companies"
While i am not into something ruining the beauty of endinburgh. In general what is the problem with having good hotels. Without them you saying forget the tourist industry, forget business conferences, forget headquarters being located in Edinburgh. You have to get real.
16

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 22/08/2008 13:13:33
Well done Mr Salmond, it is really good to see badly dilapidated Leith getting (hopefully) such a boost into this century.

It will be nice to see Caltongate eventually get the go-ahead, in spite of being presently 'hindered' by 'conservationists' et al.

#11 Mallory, apart from "wave power and clean coal technology" what about wind, tidal, solar and nuclear power options also receiving much needed research and investment?

17

Alan B,

22/08/2008 13:15:05
#Buttress

Can you read. I never said every person was in favour. I said all the major groups (political parties and council and local population) were in favour. ie the majority of the council was in favour.

It was a casting vote of a committee. ie the committee were split on it with the chairman using his casting vote to reject. However the council at large was in favour. That does not mean (for benefit as you do not seem to understand basic english) that every councillor was in favour.

The chairman using his casting vote to go against the local population view, the overall council view, all the major political parties view. I do not know why you find that so difficult to understand.
18

Buttress,

22/08/2008 13:17:52
I understand basic English, and that it begins with a capital E.

Oh I see Peter has awoken.


Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
19

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 22/08/2008 13:25:15
#18 Buttress,

I see you've gone into your 'conservationist' power-dive again.

You'll love this new development (and all the rest which will bring Edinburgh up to date) I'm sure.

20

Buttress,

22/08/2008 13:28:10
It won't happen Peewee.

Go back to sleep. Embra is fine without all this third rate cr*p from Allan Murray.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
21

Bill MacD,

22/08/2008 13:32:59
Frankly, Mr Salmond should keep his nose out of things like this. Hasn't he learned from the outrage at his public support for Donald Trump's vast housing scheme -- oops, I mean "golf course" (yeah, right) -- destroying one of Europe's most important bird reserves? It does him no credit when he cosies up to the rich and powerful like some desperate second-rate loser, when he should be standing up for the people's interests and for democratic principles and processes.
22

Buttress,

22/08/2008 13:34:00
Yup.
23

noswod,

Honesty 22/08/2008 14:13:30
Looks as though the "King of Scotland" has approved this plan as an economist he may reflect that you can't build houses or carboard flats without folk having jobs. As the proposed development is a monoculture of villiages of high rise cheaply built tenements without any thought of how to integate the planning/economic impact of 17,000 houses or 30/40,000 persons into the existing town of Leith how can it work long term. The economic concept that houses must be good regardless does not make a functioning society you only need to look at the post war efforts of Edinburgh councils planning and housing departments and how they are now knocking down developments only 40 years after they have built them. Still the man from the bank that bought ANB Amro must be right
24

Howard Moon,

22/08/2008 14:18:20
More rubbish Buttress, but not the usual rubbish. Either you've got some sort of split personality disorder, or there's more than one of you, using the same username. Salmond has done nothing wrong, the Leith Docks development has nothing at all to do with UNESCO and your beloved WHS.

Give it a rest.
25

Arrow,

edinburgh 22/08/2008 14:22:12
#21
i recall that Jack McCandle was in the forefront in encouraging Trump to invest and he was first minister at the time. perhaps he was the correct political persuaion (you know, the natural party of government of Scotland). as i recall there was not outrage from the general public except from those on a political point scoring position rather than really caring for the area. one of Europes most important bird reserves? you sound like the plonkers that had the crofters on one of the Inner Hebrides decried because they wanted to have a living but the Grey lagged goose or red legged lesser spotted wagtail was deemed more important by the hand knitted bobble hats. i have noticed that birds do have wings and they do fly about looking for the best places. perhaps he is standing up for all of the peoples' intererest and not the narrow minded nay-sayers that seem to infest this land. well named as BANANAs "build absolutley nothing anywhere near anything". democracy means that all the people who are elected have a say not just some hair wearing wee prat that is peddling his own narrow agenda like the councillor in Aberdeen. try checking on the democratic process before you bump you gums. the first minister is doing what should have been done for yeatrs- promoting Scotland and not as a new Disney world for twitchers and "oh aren't the Highlands so empty and remote" once the people were cleared out of course.

SNH, Histerical Scotland and the RSBP are a worse menace in this country than the hoodie crow. thjey should perhaps promote thier own parties for elections and see where they get especially in the rural areas.
a plague on all their houses (and yours)
26

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 22/08/2008 14:22:14
#20 Buttress,

Edinburgh (like most 'living' towns) has to move with the times regardless of what you and your cohort 'think'.

Hope to see your and your fellow 'conservationist'/heritage buffs mounted in the Jurassic section of the Royal Scottish Museum. I am sure you won't feel out of place beside other extinct species.



27

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

22/08/2008 14:28:10
Harper seems to have greater ambitions:

http://tinyurl.com/6bj7dm
28

Buttress,

22/08/2008 14:33:59
Really Howard Moon? Well now... rubbish being your speciality...

"The UNESCO World Heritage Committee at its 32nd session in Quebec, Canada, from 2 - 10 July 2008 agreed that joint UNESCO World Heritage Centre / ICOMOS Missions should be sent to... Edinburgh Old and New Towns World Heritage Site to consider the overall state of conservation of the properties and also the potential impact of proposed new developments on their Outstanding Universal Value.

In particular, the Caltongate scheme, the possible St James’ Centre projects and developments in Leith were mentioned for Edinburgh... "

29

Buttress,

22/08/2008 14:38:42
25 - I lost interest part way through, as it's really not exactly English As We Know It, (but hey it's Friday afternoon and a dram or two is no crime...) but actually it's all about a legally protected SSSI.

Also - the Trump plans for the 'development' (the golf course isn't really what it's about...) are something like a Disney idea of Bonnie Scotland. Appalling.

30

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 22/08/2008 14:41:26
28 Buttress,

As you well know the UNESCO squad won't do anything other than moan and groan and make vague threats about putting Edinburgh on the 'at risk' list (somebody better let these ineffectual clowns know that this is a TOWN, not some species of rare whale or dolphin).

Regarding WHS status most of us in Edinburgh can get along fine without it and many just don't give a damn one way or the other.

If you and your kind want to get yourselves into a lather over it, that's up to you, but personally I would be more than happy to see the WHS status (also known as snobbery) removed.

31

Buttress,

22/08/2008 14:45:21
What UNESCO will do is visit, talk, and make quiet waves behind the scenes.

I know how they work, dear.

And many actually do give a damn. you know. Not all are Philistines like you.

Still, no doubt the news that the CEC is going to charge people for planning permission in order to 'improve' Calton Hill will have thrilled you, and your telescope.

I know how much time you like to spend there.

Now go back to sleep.



32

Buttress,

22/08/2008 14:47:23
Summaries from the World Heritage Committee:

Old and New Towns of Edinburgh

Expresses its concern at the potential impact of the Caltongate development
Requests the State Party to invite a World Heritage Centre/ICOMOS joint reactive monitoring mission to the property to consider the overall state of conservation of the Old and New Towns and particularly the possible impact of the Caltongate development on the integrity and Outstanding Universal Value of the World Heritage property, as well as the outline proposals for Leith Docks, the St James Centre, and other current proposals...



33

archie12,

22/08/2008 14:51:45
It is wholly innappropriate for the First Minister to have made comments on such a major development prior to its being considered by the Planning Authority. Its either political naivity or bullying. You decide.
34

notanactivist,

The Borders 22/08/2008 15:00:07
Another day, another bandwagon jumped on by Alex. He's the sort of politician who'll go to the opening of an envelope if he thought there would be a photo op.
35

Linda,

Edinburgh 22/08/2008 15:06:36
Do you sad people not want a First Minister who encourages major developments in oyur country .. that doesn't mean he endorses every aspect of the plan.

It was the same with the Trump application.

Scotland is either open for progress or not.

Which is it?
36

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 22/08/2008 15:08:10
#32 Buttress,

That extract expresses exactly what I mean about UNESCO's moaning and groaning (not to forget the odd burstt of flatulence).

This 'visit' from UNESCO? "Much ado about nothing".

I am sure Edinburgh's Town Council must be shaking in their shoes (not).

Re Calton Hill and my 'telescope' (I assume you really allude to the City Observatory and the ASE of which I am a member), I am unaware of any definite plans at this time, but have heard that things (other than the restoration of the Gothic House) are about to happen (mind you we've been hearing that for years).

Any funds are always welcome, and spending some of same on security of the Observatory and around the Hill itself would be a good idea.

By the way, how do you know "how much time I spend there"?
37

eric,

Lothian 22/08/2008 15:09:55
Its all been done before.Glasgow has been doing all this for decades,At Glasgow harbour etc.
38

notanactivist,

The Borders 22/08/2008 15:14:21
#35

Scotland is open for progress but this smacks more of Alex wanting to score political points and improve his image than encourage a new development. He must have known that he was giving his support before the final decision had been made and that this would become public knowledge.
39

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 22/08/2008 15:15:51
#35 Linda,

Well said, some posters here would welcome a return to leeches to treat the sick, children climbing chimneys to clean them, paraffin lamps, etc.

Most towns and cities are dynamic places where people live and work, most of us living in them do not want to be stuck in some kind of museum or time-capsule (except Buttress who has her plinth reserved in the Jurassic section of the Museum).

Many of us would also like the freedom to develop, decorate and modify our homes (which we have bought and paid for) as we would wish and without unwelcome interference from planners/building control and heritage/conservation groups who are nothing but jumped-up tyrants.



40

Buttress,

22/08/2008 15:16:09
I think that you'd be surprised at how quaking CEC is, actually.

And as for the plans - you should read the papers more often. Like yesterday. Lots of refemces to ASE's like you.

And dogs too.

41

Buttress,

22/08/2008 15:21:36
There you go Peewee...

http://news.scotsman.com/edinburgh/Hotels-cash-to-pay-for.4413254.jp
42

Buttress,

22/08/2008 15:24:20
"Councillors do the same-members of planning committees can express a view as long as they then do not vote on it."

Yes - but Coun Jim Lowrie did re Caltongate.

Interesting though - Board of Directors of EWH - against it.

Coun Jim Lowrie Planning Convenor - voted for it.

Board of Directors EWH - Coun Jim Lowrie.


Hmmmm.

43

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 22/08/2008 15:26:33
#41 Buttress

"And dogs too"

Buttress, you haven't been encouraging dogs I trust, UNSECO's one thing, but dogs are definitely something else. Well, whatever turns you on I suppose.

PS Thanks for the web site re funding (I presume).
44

Buttress,

22/08/2008 15:44:17
I didn't really understand the refs to doggin', but no doubt you do Peewee, spending so much time there with your telescope.
45

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 22/08/2008 16:05:45
45 Buttress,


"I didn't really understand the refs to doggin'," Buttress, see your own posting at #41 re 'dogs', or did you mean 'dogs loo' not 'dogs too'?

Re 'telescope' did you realise that telescope sizes are measured in terms of aperture? (something Freudian there methinks).

Why not bring your pals from UNESCO to good old CH one night and let them see the night skies from good 'Auld Reekie'? Besides, I would appreciate seeing some real paper-tigers.

46

Hamish Scott,

22/08/2008 16:14:12
"In a letter circulated to councillors"

Hmm the letter was to the chief executive of Forth Ports following an official visit by Mr. Salmond in his capacity as First Minister. A follow up letter is courtesy. This is just another unionist media smear.
47

Hamish Scott,

22/08/2008 16:17:10
The development is to meet Edinburgh's expanding population. Re-developing 'brownfield' land within the city is better than building all these homes on greenfield sites which would also generate a lot of extra commuting in and out of the city.
48

jdships,

22/08/2008 16:19:05
11 Mallory,Edinburgh
Agree with you totally on this !!

13 Alan B,
Suggest you go and have a look at the area - it has all the feel of one of to-morrow's "Ghetto's"
FPA promised to "regenerate Leith" while all they have done is draw a white line down the middle of Commercial Street/Lindsay Road with the "Uppies" to the North and the "doonies" to the south .
FPA has a proven track record of broken promises - especially those made by Terry Smith .
The local people will bear witness to that

49

Buttress,

22/08/2008 16:19:27
Apertures Peewee?

Well, I am sure that yours is huge, knowing how much you mouth off through it.

Doggin' - well this webiste refuses the g on the end, so there must be something smells about it. However, just take care when the tigers get up there to protect your FiFi.

I'm sure that the Observatory gives an excellent view, however, of all that is going on nearby.

50

Buttress,

22/08/2008 16:24:40
This is a once and for all chance to build something good, which would take the pressure for developement away from the historic core of the city, allowing that to be better protected and conserved than developments such as Caltongate will allow.

But I suspect that it will be a squandered opportunity, with the build it quick sell it cheap pocket the dosh brigade having the most influence.
51

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 22/08/2008 16:26:21
#48 Hamish Scott

Yes, Hamish, this 'reclaimed' land is of course 'brownfield', most of it is buried rubbish, etc. In this respect this site is ideal for building (provided that there are no toxins buried there of course).

Also, Caltongate is now a brownfield site (hopefully only for a short time) as is the Haymarket site for the new 17 storey hotel. As you have pointed out, it is better to build on all of these resulting in the preservation of greenfield land for agriculture and recreation.
52

Buttress,

22/08/2008 16:29:23
But some of Caltongate isn't a brownfield site - it's listed buildings... which will be demolished...

Pics:

www.eh8.org.uk

No PeeWee don't bother, I know waht you will, say. I'm bored. Please go back to sleep. Under that bridge.

53

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 22/08/2008 16:32:22
#50 Buttress,

"Apertures Peewee?"

OK, 'holes' in your parlance Buttress.

Re "mouthing off". Buttress, you could have got us another gold for that 'event' at the Olympics, however, you would probably have decided that the podium wasn't architecturally good enough for you.

.



54

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 22/08/2008 16:34:31
Buttress, save your 'boredom' for next week, I'm off for the weekend. Take care and have a good one yourself.

55

Buttress,

22/08/2008 16:37:35
There's a comment about apertures and digital I could make but I will crack open a bottle instead.

56

gorgeousgorgieboy,

Edinburgh 22/08/2008 17:01:58
I wouldnt fancy being in the vicinity if Alex Salmond trumped.
57

The Tin Man,

22/08/2008 17:37:08
A piddling story, but Alex 'Tony' Salmond, and his PR machine does jump at any opertunity to make fatso look good. Anything faintly difficult or aqward is avoided at all costs.

Is it approprete for a FM to write letters to a developer extolling their development at the planning-approval stage? Of course not - he should be trying to attract developments in the first place, not after they have already been planned.

He just wants to look like he is 'attracting business to Scotland' after someone else has already done so. Piddling PR stuff, of little note.
58

bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 22/08/2008 19:30:18
Go on onionists, give it your best shot!

“Alex Salmond is a poor First Minister, and has no idea how to behave himself in the public eye.”

You have opinion poll evidence of this?

“Hasn't he learned from the “outrage” at his public support for Donald Trump's vast housing scheme -- oops, I mean "golf course".

“Outrage” indeed. What planet are you on?

“It is wholly inappropriate for the First Minister to have made comments on such a major development prior to its being considered.”

Why?

“Another day, another bandwagon jumped on by Alex. He's the sort of politician who'll go to the opening of an envelope if he thought there would be a photo op”

I think brown envelopes are the provenance of one of the other political parties in Scotland.
Would that be your one?

“Scotland is open for progress but this smacks more of Alex wanting to score political points and improve his image”

See my comment above re opinion polls.
Do you really think Alex has to “improve” his image?

“A piddling story, but Alex 'Tony' Salmond, and his PR machine does jump at any opertunity to make fatso look good. Anything faintly difficult or aqward is avoided at all costs.”

Well done! You managed to spell “difficult “ correctly.
Do you have any other talents?
59

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22/08/2008 20:01:35
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60

jdships,

22/08/2008 20:17:15
60 a proud doonhamer

Why can't nationalists debate an argument instead of criticising everyone who doesn't agree with them ?
Ptently obvious AS is quickly becoming a very stereotyped politician who will milk the popularity vote to his own advantage.
Get the feeling it won't be long before he turns up at the opening of a parcel.
Being a "non committed" voter I was genuinely hoping for better from him .
But that's politics for you !!!!!!!!!!
61

Think Tank,

22/08/2008 20:40:04

I for one sincerely hope that not a penny of public money is spent hosting the UNESCO delegation. If a completely irrelevant, undemocratic body wish to cast their views then fine on their own little website fine.

However if it costs Edinburgh taxpayers then it simply should not be tolerated.

However, I imagine the life of a UNESCO delegate consists of a succession of little all expenses paid, 5 star "jollies" funded by ever so enthusiastic locals deluded by the significance of joining or remaining in a club of hundreds (and growing).

After all growth in World Heritage Sites is proportional to growth in jollies.
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 22/08/2008 21:12:13
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Get the feeling it won't be long before he (meaning Alex Salmond), turns up at the opening of a parcel.
Being a "non committed" voter I was genuinely hoping for better from him .

Har de har de har!

Do you mean the opening of the brown paper wrapped “parcel” containing £995.00?

When do your first team take the field?

Thankfully, Scotland is at last chasing the cringing, pathetic, serial under achievers as represented by the Londonistas.

We have seen the results of your hegemony, and are showing you the door.

Don’t you have anyone capable of rational debate, able to defend your cringing position?
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Buttress,

22/08/2008 23:00:42
I note Septic has risen from whatever dank spot Septic resides in to spout the usual unenlightened Philistine bile.


Of course, when as a nation our democratically elected government put forward Edinburgh for consideration to be inscribed on the list of World Heritage Sites, it also signed up to international agreements to look after them appropriately. I additionally suggest you do some further delving into the composition of UNESCO and its international committee - which has been invited here by, as is protocol, Historic Scotland. It's not a jolly. Actually, nowhere you live would be, would it?

As for 63... not a chance.

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Rob - Honest Toun,

23/08/2008 00:36:07
Wi risin sea levels an high tides co-incidin wi the kinna rain we've haed tae dree this week, let's howp aw the biggins is fitted wi life-boats hingin frae davits.

Daes naebody ever luik at the flood maps for Leith that's pitten oot bi SEPA?
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Brian Hill,

23/08/2008 12:34:16
Somehow or other I don't see this ishu beeing the talk of the pubs, clubs and bingo halls, countrywide or especially in Glenrothes.

What will be noted, if anything, is just more petty carping from the unionists. Keep it up chaps, we appreciate your contribution to our push for Independence.
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notanactivist,

The Borders 05/09/2008 21:32:59
#59 I'm not a member of any political party, I thought the name made that obvious.

 

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