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Published Date:
12 March 2007
EAST Lothian Council is facing moves to force a U-turn on its controversial deal to give its top official a £130,000 redundancy pay-off on top of a £200,000 retirement package.
Chief executive John Lindsay persuaded the council to abolish his department, resulting in the redundancy deal.

The decision has sparked outrage, particularly among council taxpayers in East Lothian, prompting independent councillor Charles Ingle
to call for the deal to be re-examined.

He is appealing to all East Lothian councillors to back his request to void the deal, which he claims councillors were "not made fully aware of" before it was raised at last month's full council meeting.

In order to succeed with the "rescinding resolution", he needs the support of five other elected members.

But with only seven councillors - including Councillor Ingle - outwith the Labour administration, he knows he will face a tough challenge.

Cllr Ingle, who represents Haddington, said: "I'm not deluding myself with this one, it is more hope than expectation.

"But I feel that with something as serious as this, that report should have been circulated well in advance to allow people the chance to get their heads around it and not on the morning of the full council meeting.

"A number of councillors are unhappy with the manner in which the report was submitted.

"This resolution is providing the authority with the opportunity to react to the genuine concerns of the residents and the genuine concerns that the councillors themselves have.

"This is a way out for the council. They can resolve this matter to the mutual benefit of the general public and themselves.

"It doesn't mean we can't look at mergers in the future, but we can find out the facts first."

Cllr Ingle said he has been questioned by "dozens and dozens" of constituents who have displayed "anger, resentment and frustration" about the retirement package.

He said they have demanded to know what can be done to reverse the decision and he is now planning to launch a petition on their behalf.

In his letter to councillors, councillor Ingle asked that the report detailing the merger "be rescinded on the grounds that the information within the report is incomplete".

He has not yet received any response, but believes he has some allies.

David Berry, the council's sole SNP member, last week said he would report the deal to the Accounts Commission, which polices council spending.

He said he hasn't yet seen the letter sent out by Cllr Ingle, but said he would "certainly consider the resolution".

He added: "This is not about John Lindsay and the retirement package he deserves.

"I'm more concerned about the manner in which this has been done.

"If this is what the resolution is doing, I would be minded to support it.

"If it's to step back and consider this another way, I would be inclined."

It was revealed last week that staff at East Lothian Council were given just £200 in store vouchers for serving the same length of time as the chief executive.

Six workers at East Lothian Council with more than 40 years' service were each given the vouchers to spend at John Lewis.



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  • Last Updated: 12 March 2007 12:10 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Executive fat cats
 
1

ianpg,

Musselburgh 12/03/2007 12:35:03

This Lindsay character is a total disgrace. On the basis of his 'questionable' conduct on this occasion, I suggest that East lothian Council investigate his previous council activities. I would also suggest that since the other 'senior' EL council executives failed in their duty to stop this appalling situation, they are most certainly 'not fit for purpose'. A new 'outsider' with no connection to ELC should be brought in. This is the only way ELC will regain some semblance of trust and credibility.

2

Paul Voltaire,

www.paulvoltaire.spaces.live.com 12/03/2007 12:44:17

I would be amazed if the Labour councillors didn't follow the party line.
When did morality and fairness ever matter?

3

Vinny,

Edinburgh 12/03/2007 12:46:10

In my line of work, this would be called insider dealing and it is illegal. He knew full well that he would get a huge settlement. The fact that his department was inefficient should mean that he was crap at his job and he gets nowt. Anybody else in any other job would be dealt with accordingly.

4

Bob 2,

12/03/2007 13:09:24

only one thing to say (well 2)

Corrupt, Corrupt

5

Ritzio,

12/03/2007 13:26:09

This is an absolute scandel. In response to apologists for Mr Lindsay, saying that it was the head of Personnel, rather than he himself who wrote the report in question, I should like to draw people's attention to this quote I found from Mr Lindsay on the company who are to provide ELC's e-procurement system's website:-“In East Lothian, the Chief Executive’s role includes a personal responsibility for policy and business management – providing corporate services to ensure the smooth running of the council, plus economic development and personnel services. "
Mr Lindsay, you can say you didn't know this policy was on its way til you are blue in the face, we won't believe you. The buck, so to speak, stops with the Chief Exec - that's you, or at least for the moment. It's quite simple, if your post isn't required anymore, wait out your one more year and then retire on whatever your pension dictates you should (by memory 55K - more than twice the average salary - shoudl scrape by on that). The redundancy payoff this close to your retirement cannot be justified, particularly given that I know East Lothian cannot meet the needs of its most vulnerable citizens (chronic shortage of social workers, Supporting People money lost because the Council didn't use it, nowhere to house the homeless).

6

Alberto.,

12/03/2007 13:31:04

From what I read about this East Lothian CEO, seemingly personally concocted / manufactured for greater financial gain arrangement, where it seems reasonably clear there should not be any, but which, presumably, has been achieved only with much collusion with 'other' Council members, and sounds very wrong!

The state of Public opinion raised about the 'sordidness' of the whole 'set up', seemingly 'passed more or less’ on a 'Nod and a wink' basis, would seem to speak volumes about some Councillors behaviour, and give a brilliant display of illuminating an apparent lack of morals and principle - not to mention much incompetence and ineptitude in the duties of all involved, about the whole caboodle!

I thought taxpayers funds were, at all times, to be protected by Councillors, and every endeavour to be made to obtain ‘best return’ on the use of them!!

In this case (are there others?), this duty to taxpayers appears to have been discarded and/or ignored by overstepping the mark (perhaps illegally!) and, considering the absolute trust and loyalty placed in them by the ‘payers of all their bills’- this behaviour can only be classed as shameful and possibly dishonest!

If any illegal activity can be proven they should all be seriously penalized accordingly!

7

jenny,

Musselburgh 12/03/2007 14:09:27

There is gorgeous scope for registering your disapproval of the way East Lothian Council feathers its own nest by voting for a change of direction at the Council Elections on 3rd May. It's everyone chance to make this change, so don't sit at home and grouse about things, get down to the Polling Station and put your marks in the right boxes.

8

jim lad,

the capital 12/03/2007 14:17:55

When this story first broke Justin Time led an email protest which i and many others sent to the audit officer. I can only hope that this is not the end of the matter, but then perhaps thats why Mr Ingle is calling for it to be made void feeling the heat already.

9

Bucket Heid,

Edinburgh 12/03/2007 14:46:08

Nice to see Charlie in play again. check out

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/4904024.stm

"A councillor in East Lothian has been suspended for 10 months for being "grossly inappropriate" and showing "disrespect" to employees. "

Pot, Kettle, Tae Hell Wi the Lot of Them all spring to mind.

Victor #6 you are right, in the original papers (now off line) the paper was delivered by John Lindsay per the Head of HR who is a direct report to his good(?) self.

10

Bucket Heid,

Edinburgh 12/03/2007 14:50:41

Nice to see Charlie in play again. check out

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/4904024.stm

"A councillor in East Lothian has been suspended for 10 months for being "grossly inappropriate" and showing "disrespect" to employees. "

Pot, Kettle, Tae Hell Wi the Lot of Them all spring to mind.

Victor #6 you are right, in the original papers (now off line) the paper was delivered by John Lindsay per the Head of HR who is a direct report to his good(?) self.

11

Alberto.,

12/03/2007 15:26:52

Just noticed the 'Award' mentioned about 'Store Vouchers' given to some staff, which seems to be arranged in this same connection of the retirement of the CEO!

Why!

Is it some kind of way the Council members, who 'arranged' this, shall we say 'sweetener', to perhaps divert the staff minds away from the CEO arrangement, endeavouring to make it look like a ‘fair to all’ arrangement?

If it's to do with staff 'redundancy' surely there are official Government rules to deal with such facilities, and I cannot help thinking any 'award' due, in an official ‘redundancy’ kind of situation, would not be in of an official monetary kind (cash payment!) to be shown ‘thro’ the books!’ - authorised and legally binding, subject to income tax etc., where applicable -according to the circumstances!

It is difficult to imagine that any Local Council has the authority to either over-rule, ignore or change these rules 'unofficially' as they feel like!

It appears that the staff involved in the Store Voucher set up are either being 'Conned' out of their legal monetary entitlement in a 'redundancy' matter (Possible Fraud action by the Council!) or by action of possible Bribery - for whatever reason, unless there is a more ‘official and legally authorised’ reason for the Voucher gifts!

The only seemingly alternative picture that springs to mind is that of an authorised gift by Council decision - for whatever reason, but for which the Council may have no official authority to pay from Taxpayer funds!

At a glance, it would seem that all the 'agreeing' Council members are acting very close to the resemblance of being ‘as crafty as a crate of monkeys' – and possibly there may be much scuttering about, hither and thither, in a possible state of bureaucratic panic - That's the worst kind, you know!

12

Gilbie's Boy,

12/03/2007 17:09:33

Yet again the Evening Spews is simply wrong. Today's poll gives one of the options as " No - the retirement package is appropriate". It is not a retirement package. It includes a redundancy element as well. I'm not expressing a view here one way or the other. Pity the ES can't get its facts right AGAIN.

Still, anything to encourage another anti public sector rant, eh?

GB

13

sceptic,

livingston 12/03/2007 17:25:47

13. Gilbie's Boy
Your absolutely correct, the poor misunderstood JOHN LINDSAY has selflessly toiled in the public service for 40 years for a measly £100,000/A pittance.

How could anyone think he is a rapacious, grasping, self seeking reprobate. Oh well then,me actually!

14

James Campbell,

Edinburgh 12/03/2007 17:41:33

Is it not the redundancy payment that is the issue here?! why does £300k+ keep appearing in these papers? Mr Lindsay has paid for his retirement fund out of his own pocket, 6% of his salary if i read correctly, for every one of his forty years service! but then again i shouldn't believe everything i read in these papers, like most of you seem to!

Another 150 thousand of this is a long service award that is 1.5 times your salary, everyone is entitled to this, but again it is totally dependant on your salary, so people shouldnt be in a grumps if they dont get the same amount!!

JC

15

abracadabra,

12/03/2007 18:04:32

Anyone who has followed the political scene in recent year will be aware that the word labour is synonymous with the words corruption, deceitful or crooked.
Whilst other parties have their moments only Labour have been consistent.
Do we care? not if you look at the polls for people continually vote labour year on year.
It is for that reason that labour politicians continue to rob us blind knowing full well that they will always get away with it.

16

James Campbell,

Edinburgh 12/03/2007 18:07:54

oh heres charlie ingle jumping on the band wagon! why should we believe a single word this man says, check out the link in 9. he appears to be the corrupt one.

Is this not the same man who questioned the council over staff discounts at east lothian facilities? he claimed this cost the council a substantial amount of money through lost income! lost income?? this is an incentive, and no doubt raises the numbers using the facilities, hence, generating income. It is by no means a guaranteed income either-the staff dont have to go to the gym

couldnt find the link to this story.

JC

17

sceptic,

livingston 12/03/2007 20:11:29

15. James Campbell
"Another 150 thousand of this is a long service award that is 1.5 times your salary, everyone is entitled to this, but again it is totally dependant on your salary, so people shouldnt be in a grumps if they dont get the same amount!!"

Interesting interpretation of the rules there #17. Obviously you attended the same course on plundering the public purse as the voraciously usurious John Lindsay.
1.5 x weekly pay for 40 years with a LIMIT of £310/week
Having the "benefit" of an East lothian council education my arithmetic isn't too good but I make that £12,400. Interesting that you make it £150,000.
Perhaps you are John Lindsay's accountant as well as his apologist!

18

11+failed,

the pans 12/03/2007 20:22:16

I suffered the same education #18, but that ought to be £18,600.
Still £12,400 is a bit closer to £18,600 than £150,000.

19

sceptic,

livingston 12/03/2007 20:29:18

Oops!

20

Spartacus,

Corruption Corruption,Corruption 12/03/2007 21:37:46

There will be several labour councillors who will lose their seats because of this corruption.
It is endemic within the party!

21

Alberto.,

12/03/2007 21:45:13

What a wonderful web we weave, when first we start to deceive - so someone once said, and it seems to be much the same with the Sin of Greed!

It seems nowadays, there is a great deal of this web weaving activity about - and seemingly, much connected with the New Labour 'dictatorship' organisation endeavouring to become fully installed!

To quote an old saying - 'Where there's muck there's Brass - and where there's Brass there will always be someone wanting a bigger share than others, and in many cases, for no other reason than that fact!

22

Conan,

Here 12/03/2007 21:54:21

I see you are all still very jealous!


 

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