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Published Date: 29 August 2006
LAP dancing is being advertised as a viable career option in Scottish job centres, prompting accusations that the government is "legitimising" exploitation and violence against women.
The Scotsman has learned that women's rights groups are launching a campaign against the JobCentrePlus policy of promoting "inappropriate" vacancies in the sex industry.

The issue has also triggered discord between the Scottish Executive and the UK government, with a spokesman for Scottish ministers describing the move by the Westminster agency as "deeply regrettable".

Opposition to the policy is being led by Rape Crisis Scotland, which was alerted to a lap-dancing vacancy currently advertised on the national JobCentrePlus website.

The job, in Edinburgh city centre, offers "competitive rates" for working 37 hours a week, Monday to Sunday.

It says duties "will include entertaining customers, pole dancing and private dances" and assures potential candidates "full training will be provided".

The group's national co-ordinator, Sandy Brindley, said she had complained to officials at JobCentrePlus, who told her all legitimate sex-industry jobs were being advertised following a legal ruling three years ago.

The government agreed to allow the adverts after the High Court upheld a challenge from sex toy and lingerie chain Ann Summers, declaring in 2003 that an earlier ban on job adverts with the retailer was "irrational and unlawful".

However, women's groups say the JobCentrePlus policy of allowing legal sex-industry vacancies to be advertised is "ridiculous", as pole dancing is far removed from working behind a counter in a high-street shop.

Ms Brindley has written to members of the Scottish Coalition Against Sexual Exploitation (SCAWE), urging them to complain to JobCentrePlus about the adverts.

"We will do everything we can to reverse this ridiculous policy," she said.

"This is wholly inappropriate. This is normalising and legitimising what we regard as the exploitation of women.

"It is also very concerning at a time when we are trying to prevent young women from entering prostitution that job centres have started advertising jobs in the sex industry, given what we know about the links between lap dancing and prostitution."

Research has shown that working in strip clubs can act as a gateway into prostitution, while encouraging exploitation by "objectifying" women.

JobCentrePlus has added the proviso that all adverts carry a mandatory statement that people are under no obligation to consider making an application for this particular vacancy. This means their job seekers allowance will not be removed if they fail to apply.

Ms Brindley added: "The outcome of the Ann Summers case was unfortunate. However, it is quite a step from advertising vacancies in Ann Summers shops to advertising for lap-dancing bars."

Artemis Pana, of the charity Zero Tolerance, said comparing lap dancing to shop work was "absurd". She said: "Women who work as lap dancers suffer emotional and physical abuse, which may result in low self-esteem. They are increasingly likely to take opportunities to enter prostitution.

"Women become a commodity, so men who pay for that believe they have a consumer's right to do what they choose.

"Job centres are sending out the message that the objectification of women is acceptable provided they are being paid the minimum wage. That is unacceptable."

Johann Lamont, the deputy communities minister, is understood to be strongly opposed to the policy. The MSP is chair of the National Group to Address Violence Against Women, which last year concluded that lap dancing was commercial exploitation that was a form of violence against women.

A spokeswoman for JobCentrePlus said the body advertised "any job vacancies provided they are legal and comply with normal vacancy rules".

She added: "All vacancies regarding the sex and related industries and/or involving nudity are marked not suitable for under-18s.

"In these cases, specific wording on the vacancy will inform job seekers of the nature of the work. It is also made clear that it is up to individuals if they wish to apply for these jobs."

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  • Last Updated: 28 August 2006 8:50 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Edinburgh's sex industry
 
1

Malky,

Glasgow 29/08/2006 01:15:44

Why is it "wholly inappropriate"? Get off your high horse. It's not illegal. People need jobs. Where's the issue?

Sex exploitation is part of our society, rightly or wrongly, sex sells and it's being used to sell products and services everywhere you look. Both sexes, i may add, are being used to do this.

I question the motivation of some of the people who work for these groups.

They should be championing programs that monitor these legal sex industry employers to ensure the women who work there are not "trafficked" and are being looked after properly.

If you're more concerned with the "exploitation of the female form", then get a grip of yourself.

2

Gnasher,

29/08/2006 04:27:26

I imagine that Alan from Glasgow gets a grip of hisself fairly frequently. Maybe he's angling for a job as a lap dancer inspector.

3

Gnasher,

29/08/2006 04:56:18

Alan from Glasgow says that sex exploitation is "part of our society, rightly or wrongly". I suspect he thinks it's all right but is embarrassed to come out with it.

I think it's wrong. The jobcentre should refuse to co-operate with the sex exploitation industry.

It's completely different from Ann Summers which sells dildos and nylon underwear - I see nothing objectionable in that and the Court was right to say the jobcentre should carry their ads.

Lap dancing is about helping pathetic men get a stiffy in public in front of other pathetic men and is essentially a form of prostitution. I wonder if the high heid yins at JobCentrePlus would be prepared to launch their next policy initiative at a lap dancing venue? If The Scotsman was more enterprising it would put that question to them.

4

calum,

edinburgh 29/08/2006 06:39:15

.......... and at the same time MSPs, headed by the redoubtable Ms Margo MacDonald were proposing and are still considering that the streets of Scotland be turned over to allow Tolerance Zones for street prostitutes, surely the most overt form of exploitation of women imaginable!

5

Douglas,

Bathgate 29/08/2006 08:56:12

What's so different and special about the way Poles dance anyway.

6

Grumpy,

Edinburgh 29/08/2006 08:59:10

Nev is so wrong to say that lap & pole dancing is just another form of prostitution. Since when did dancers engage in intimate sexual activity and / or intercourse? It is a form of dancing where, just coincidentally, the dancers remove their clothes to a level similar to many beaches around the world. People become dancers because they want to (OK sometimes need to) as a way of improving their or their family's lives. And most need to be extremely fit (in a physical way) and need training if they are to be any good at the job. And the opportunities are short-lived. It's unlikely that anyone over the age of 30 could continue being an effective lap (or pole) dancer since (a) their looks diminish, (b) their over-stretched joints lead to arthritis and similar complaints.

7

Aileen,

29/08/2006 09:11:41

As woman can I say that if it was exploiting women, then why to the women do it? I went to a lap dancing club years ago with a male friend and spoke to the girls. They can make a heck of a lot of money for not a lot of work.

8

Doreen,

Glasgow 29/08/2006 09:19:17

Nev.....what a laugh, cheers for that pal!

Many moons ago, when I was a tad more naive, I answered a job advert for a 'masseuse' in the south side of Glasgow. My friends told me not to be so stupid but as I explained to them the advert said "full training will be given" (well I was only 21). I ended up being interviewed in a red-carpeted, mirror walled brothel of a cabin. It was made quite clear to me that I would be working on a 'commission only' basis. Left to fill in my application form I turned around to find my first client, clad only in a towel and a smile, leering at me. I felt somewhat deflated on the bus home as I should have listened to my laughting pals.

We dont know what goes on in these 'establishments', but dont kid yourself on that women are not being exploited. Get a grip of yourself Ken (ooer) "it is just a form of dancing"....it bloody well is not when a woman is writhing and rubbing herself over a phallic shaped symbol, dont see much of that down the beach do we.

Any women on this forum been to any male lap dancing clubs, where men strut and gyrate and sweat over a huge vaginal shaped oject? I seriously would like to know. According to Alan this occurs also..........most interesting

9

Gnasher,

29/08/2006 09:37:24

Ken, thanks for that. I am speaking from a position of total ignorance, as I have never been to a palais de lap dancing, or a "masssage parlour", or a "sauna", or a brothel. My only knowledge of lap dancing is seeing it reported on the telly. It does look extremely seedy, but according to Ken it's a western form of Geisha, with Kleenex not involved in any way. If it's that tasteful, why don't we see it on BBC1 on saturday teatime when Strictly Come Dancing is off the air?

10

Paul Voltaire,

29/08/2006 09:49:21

How much does it pay by the hour??

Mrs Voltaire has some spare time she could put to good use :)

11

HMB,

Glasgow 29/08/2006 10:17:28

About three years ago the major Scottish jobs web site (run by the other Scottish broadsheet paper) did have a listing for exotic dancers under the "Entertainment" category. I remember it well because you don't often see something like that online - and it was presumably geared towards computer literate pole dancers?

12

Gordon Zola,

Leithski Walka 29/08/2006 10:23:03

A good dancer is my sister Krystyna. She can read and a computer owns.

13

Gordon Zola,

Gorgiezawa 29/08/2006 10:44:40

Glupi brat, Pawel! Taking clothes off is no job for a good Catholic woman. What would Matka say?

14

mark southside,

glasgow 29/08/2006 10:54:25

I hope in the interests of equality these jobs are open to men as well???

15

Gordon Zola,

29/08/2006 11:02:05

Mark #14. Only in Broughton Street, big boy!

16

AlexanderD,

Canada 29/08/2006 11:15:12

Mark (#14) has a point. Are these job advertisers subject to being prosecuted for inappropriate gender discrimination? How about age discrimination? How many men and women, some years past their 30s or 40s or 50s, but still limber on their zimmers (and presumably somewhat experienced in the practice of titillation), are employed or considered for employment? If none -- send in the pc polis!

17

Hello Loonies!,

29/08/2006 11:24:51

Hang on a minute sex industry jobs are advertised all the time in the back of the Evening News!!! And Nev, you're right it will only be a matter of time before one of the tv channels decides to delve into the underworld that is pole dancing for the sake of yet another slice of reality, cos thats what it is folks, reality.

18

catriona,

29/08/2006 11:27:43

Lap dancing may not be illegal, however its exploitative nature relates not only to the female form as suggested by Alan, but to the safety and integrity of women dancers and more generally to all women in society.

Our culture perpetuates violence against women in many forms, lap dancing is but one way that our sociaety and culture creates acceptance of violence against women whilst normalising and commercialising it. It's an expression of misogyny and it is not surprising that some men seek to justify both inequality and expolitation.

The Freedom and Justice Centre for Prostituitioon Resources produced research named 'Strip Club Testimony' , by Kelly Holsopple. It clearly demonstrates the links between lap dancing and violence against women. Researching women's experiences of stripping and lap dancing, it found that:
100% had been physically assaulted
94% had been grabbed by the breasts
61% Had been spat on
78% had been called a 'whore'
67% had been followed by a customer
78% were propositioned for prostitution every day by customers

The motivation behind this research and behind women's groups campaigning for equality and an end to exploitation, is to create a society in which women and children are free to live without experiencing either the threat or brutal reality of physical and/or sexual violence. It will take not only the government, but individual men and women to question why we let violence and exploitation continue, before any real change in attitude and behaviour can create safety.

19

Gordon Zola,

Craigmillar 29/08/2006 11:28:30

They cheeky beggars telt me tae pit ma bra strait back oan when ah applied. An ah couldnae hae a wee ciggy durin ma dance routine. There wis nae wheelchair ramps tae get oan stage neither. Ah shall be complainin tae the cooncil aboot a' this.

20

Hello Loonies!,

29/08/2006 11:31:34

I hope the job centre is inundated with totally 'unsuitable' i.e. ordinary women, clamouring to get up that pole pronto. Can you imagine having to tell a 15 stone, not the most attractive, VIZ creation that maybe they'd be better off as the toilet attendant? Excellent! I'm taking my lardy arse off to apply now and they had better get me an interview or there will be hell to pay.

21

Gnasher,

29/08/2006 11:44:18

I'd pay to see that.

22

Gordon Zola,

Warriston 29/08/2006 11:49:52

I think I had better stay out of this discussion. Catriona, where can I get a nice roomy pair of dungarees?

23

SW,

Skro 29/08/2006 12:37:06

Went to a Pole Dancing Club the other day. Did not like it much - all those people in red and white costumes flinging themselves about. As for Lap dancing well....don't those raindeer smell bad. Bring on the Burqas!

24

Fiona,

29/08/2006 12:59:45

Catriona (18) 'lap dancing is but one way that our sociaety [sic] and culture creates acceptance of violence against women'
Please explain how? Having visited lap dancing clubs on many occasions, I see no evidence of violence or exploitation (though it could be argued that the customers are being exploited through entry fees etc). What is wrong with the sight of a naked female dancing? (Or a male for that matter, but it's true that men are more susceptible to simple visual cues). Really, I think that the hard-line 'pornography is rape' attitude of some extreme feminists (Itzin, Dworkin for instance) does women no favours at all and perpetuates the notion that sex and nudity is something to be frowned upon rather than something to be enjoyed and celebrated. Men like looking at women. Women like looking at men, and all variations on the theme.
Money is always to be made from the desires of others. What makes sex so special and different? And my view is at least informed; having worked for some time in an Edinburgh sauna, being paid very well for providing a service which was obviously in demand. It's a transaction like any other, and not worth getting worked up about. More important would be considering the licensing of dancers/prostitutes/premises to ensure safety and guard against exploitation where it does happen.

25

Gordon Zola,

Trinity 29/08/2006 13:15:14

Well said Fiona! All that top-class tartan tottie in Tollcross are expoliting my male weaknesses and as a result I'm a much poorer human being.

26

scottwebb,

29/08/2006 14:12:43

I'd love to know who in the job centres would turn down a more CURVY chick for an interview. I remember many years ago being asked as a favour to man a door at short notice for a new bar just off George st. I was told to only let in the more sexy looking chicks in, so at the end of the night i asked how well i had done in that pursuit and the reply was..........Well Scott, put it like this, if we ever need you again........Remind me to install a cattle grid first ;)

27

Gordon Zola,

Newington 29/08/2006 14:18:05

Scott, presumably this was the George Street in Aberdeen?

28

scottwebb,

29/08/2006 14:24:40

All women are sexy ;)

29

Gordon Zola,

Donegal 29/08/2006 14:39:13

Aye, they are if you down enough of the strong stuff, Scott. Radical feminists take some getting used to, but if you put in those earplugs that block shrill noises, yer fine.

30

Dave,

Western Isles 29/08/2006 14:40:46

Women! Don't apply for the job. end of exploitation. Instead, stay on the dole and exploit us tax payers instead.

31

scottwebb,

29/08/2006 14:42:12

Ahhh yes.....that fine line between GRIEF and relief

32

scottwebb,

29/08/2006 14:52:17

I dated a lovely lass from Ireland in 2000, it was very serious and i loved her to bits. She wanted me to move over to Ireland but she did not want me to bring my dog.....it's me or the dog Scott...........i was gutted....But i stayed over here, Aero lived for another 6 years and i never regretted my decision ;)

33

Gordon Zola,

Newington 29/08/2006 14:57:47

And this dog did what for you, Scott? Round up sheep?

34

scottwebb,

29/08/2006 15:04:20

She was a Dalmatian mate, i was always amazed at the amount of groovy looking chicks that would stop and chat when you were out for a walk with her lmao

35

scottwebb,

29/08/2006 15:08:56

If that sounds sad..so what..... i think it's sad that guys have so little self esteem they have to PAY women to dance about in front of them, knowing thats the only way its going to happen ;)

36

Gordon Zola,

Heaven 29/08/2006 15:18:40

If you saw my mother-in-law, you'd pay her not to dance, if only for the sake of the neighbours below.

37

scottwebb,

29/08/2006 15:22:02

Ive been out with business people in Edinburgh on a number of occasions where at some point of the evening they decided to go into a lap dancing joint, i found the whole thing boring and sad. The women were as hard as nails mentally and you were left with the impression that every guy that walked in there was a mark. I personally prefer taking my chances out on the club scene meeting chicks who are out for a good laugh and some fun

38

Tam the Bam,

29/08/2006 19:51:40

I love puritans they've got such big hairy f"·%$%&

39

Anna,

Cambridgeshire 29/08/2006 19:56:02

Audrey Tawdrey................... that was priceless .... very funny....... thanks!!

40

Corbett Hunckers,

fae Methilhill 29/08/2006 21:56:50

Jeez a wish this wiz gaun when a wiz a wee bit younger, ye could earn a few bob.

In ma day the only poles a slid doon were the wans stationed at RAF Leuchars.

41

Sister Holly Graile,

Methilhill Convent & Shrine 29/08/2006 22:11:58

Mary,

That's enough of that smutty sort of talk - back to your cell now.................... the scupltor man is coming tomorrow!!

42

Corbett Hunckers,

fae Methilhill 29/08/2006 22:24:19

Sister,

That David Mach is a braw laddie, pish at sculpting, but a braw laddie. How can ye recreate something as bonny as me wi a pile o bricks and some rubber tyres?

43

Rita Gemmell,

Edmonton Canada 29/08/2006 22:25:27

I assume the anti discrimination laws apply and therefore age, weight, gender and race should not be a factor.
If a 300 lb. black male applied for the job do you think they would hire him and if not would he have a human rights case.

44

Avril, Inverleith Skate Park,

29/08/2006 22:51:11

Where did Terry Wrist disappear to?

45

Richard MO,

London 29/08/2006 22:54:09

Many years ago, the riders in my despatch company used to meet in a strip joint every Friday evening. The relationship between the girls and the audience fascinated me... it was a power thing, and I could never work out who was exploiting who! I learned the hard way that it was not a good idea to read the paper whilst a girl was performing... You are supposed to look! Striptease - and Pole dancing are actually valid art forms. Stage presence remains stage presence even under those circumstances.

46

Avril, Inverleith Skate Park,

29/08/2006 22:55:36

It's like reading The Metro aroon', here so it is.

If the boy with the pink Levis eating a mince pie outside Greggs at Tollcross is reading this who smiled at me on Monday is redaing this, no thanks pal.

47

Douglas,

bathgate 30/08/2006 00:53:35

Further to my comment (5) I apologise to any Lapp dancers, I have no wish to discriminate.

48

everything you do is probably a Balloon,

30/08/2006 09:10:29

Who's exploiting who ?

49

Gordon100,

The Pole 30/08/2006 17:13:15

She was a highlight in my life," said Jo Ann Burkett, who knew Precht as both a close friend and a customer at her Everett clothing shop, Burkett's.

50

Doreen,

Glasgow 30/08/2006 18:27:10

Les Dawson, your deid so shut the f**k up!

51

Pete McClelland,

Kirkcudbright 31/08/2006 08:42:28

This is nothing new. Men have been sliding on poles for donkeys years. They're called Firemen.


 

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